Guild Wars 2

I was laying in bed reading this on my iPad. I LOL’d and woke my wife up. It’s your fault!

This was too funny….good one!

PS – Farming…..working as intended :-)

Mirta.5029:

Villious.8530:

I’ve been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. I’ve never played one of those “other games that would stop providing you loot after the 4th mob killed”. Just curious as to what those games are.

Tera. Their DR against botters and farmers is to literally stop providing any loot after the 4th mob killed or so. Even if you’re doing the killing for a quest. In their opinion their players should make money doing pvp, dungeons, raids and quests. Every game is free to set their DR as they feel free and set their own rules. I don’t really think DR in GW2 is that bad. It’s pretty forgiving if anything. You can still run dungeons for 1/3rd reward (in WoW you’re limited to one raid in a week, no exceptions), you can still kill mobs if you change your location slightly while still getting loot and not having to reset the instance multiple times (GW1 with their not respawning mobs until the map is reset).

Never played Tera. That would be game, not “games”. I’ve played Ultima Online, Everquest, Everquest 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, World of Warcraft and a few others I’ve forgotten. To me, Tera looked a lot like Aion, and I didn’t like Aion, so I never tried Tera.

Mirta.5029:

Aeonblade.8709:

There is a huge difference between being able to kill monsters in the same spot longer than 15-30 mins and depopulating the world. Also, I’m done with dragons, missions, dungeons, etc. I still play WvW of course, it’s the saving grace for this entire game atm.

All we are really asking for is a way to get items reliably rather than unknown factors and RNG, even if it still takes months and months, there needs to be some form of guarantee for time invested.

+1 to whoever said more supply is needed, that would be a great start.

other games would stop providing you loot after the 4th mob killed. 30 minutes of just killing something is a long time. And I’m yet to see an MMO with no RNG. To be honest finding any game without RNG would be hard. Loot drops have always been random everywhere. If you want to be sure to get what you need to should sell what you get and buy what you need.

I’ve been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. I’ve never played one of those “other games that would stop providing you loot after the 4th mob killed”. Just curious as to what those games are.

I agree that RNG is the nature of the MMO beast, but personally, I’ve never played an MMO with this much RNG……so to speak.

Mirta.5029:

Aeonblade.8709:

If you aren’t supposed to kill monsters(??) in an MMO, they should make a different genre of game.

you are supposed to kill them for quests. You are not supposed to depopulate the world -_-
You’re a hero that defends the world from dragons and goes to do dangerous missions in dungeons, or fight the invaders in WvW. You are not some lonely village hunter that kills bears repeatedly.

Serious question…….if that’s the case, why do they populate the entire world with mobs? Shouldn’t there only be mobs in dungeons and around quest following that logic?

Vayne.8563:

Third Eye.6718:

stale.9785:

Good lord, all the Vanye baiting.

For the OP, and anyone else offended by the micro-transactions? Grow up. Anet needs to make money, continually, and they only sell fluff in the gem store. If you don’t want the fluff, don’t buy it. Coming in with the attitude that it’s somehow owed to you, or you’ve been done wrong by not being given the fluff for free? If that’s what offends you most about GW2, you’re lucker than a lot of people.

It is not a question of being offended nor growing up, but rather a question of Ethics.

Anet needs to continually make money you say? I’d be interested to hear your facts backing up this statement, because I’ve been playing games for around 40 years and micro-transactions weren’t there in my day, and here we are still playing games. Also, hasn’t GW2 in all its success sold over 3 million copies, so I ask you, where did all that money go?

It would be interesting to know how much money is generated through micro transactions, and how much of this is put back into the game. I’m sure most are not naive enough to think that it’s not lining ‘other’ pockets as well.

Also you say, if we don’t want the fluff then don’t buy it, well that’s fair enough when we’re talking to adults who are not primarily ego driven. But the problem here is, we are talking about children as well, and as Drew mentioned above, MMO companies MAY be playing an active role in turning kids into gamblers(RNG), addicts(Legend grind), and simply sucking them in with marketing gimmicks(Quaggan backpacks lol).

And sure, while this falls back to the parents, it also lies with the MMO companies who allow it all to happen does it not? I’m curious as to what you and the whiteknight(Vayne) think about this in regards to this Ethical side of it, because from where I sit, to defend GW2 is to defend this practise is it not?

Btw, someone asked Vayne why he’s always defending the game. From a psychology point of view, people will defend whatever they are identified with (or value), as essentially they are just defending themselves. It is why this old dude who lives in a Commonwealth country is bothering to speak here, because I do not care for game banter, but the issue of Ethics is another story. : )

I’m against RNG in the game, when it comes to things like skins in the black lion chest. I’ve said so before and I have no doubt I’ll say it again. Of all the things I dislike about Guild Wars 2, RNG in the black market chest for rare skins is just ridiculous to me. I also didn’t like the dye packs having RNG for the new dyes. I think it’s a bad design decision.

That said I’m not sure it’s a question of ethics for me, so much as a question of balance or fairness. I don’t think someone should have to spend fifty or sixty dollars to try to get a skin. Selling the skin is one thing…rng for skins is terribad.

I’m not a big fan of minis available for a week either. They seem pointless to me. Why make them only available for a week, unless you’re trying to manipulate a large percentage of people into buying it.

Stuff like the dance, and the mining pick I’m fine with.

Vayne, I agree with you a 1000% here. RNG is the main problem I have with this game. All MMO’s are gonna have an RNG component, but I think it’s used here to push toward the gem store, and bleed the economy of wealth. I don’t think it’s Anet behind this, so much as it is NCSoft influence.

I’d love to have one of the new infused weapons skins, but having to play the slot machine to get one makes it feel cheap to me. I saw where one guy bought 1000 BLC keys and didn’t get a singe weapon token. That’s why they push RNG; it makes them money. People can say, but you can convert gold to gems and not spend real money, but human nature will prevail and people will spend real money for the gems. I saw a kid in Best Buy the other day buy four $25 gem cards. He looked to be about 16 years old. I think they make a ton of cash on the gem store.

I bet they make much more money trough the cash shop/RNG model than they would if they had a $15 a month sub fee. Since the games been out, I’ve spend close to $500 on gems, so has my brother. One guy in my guild admitted that he’s spent over $3000 on gems thus far. I would imaging that people with a lot of disposable income drop a lot of money on gems. I just with they’d ease up on the RNG.

PS – Sorry for baiting you on the white-knight stuff. If that’s your thing, express yourself. :-) :-)

Vayne.8563:

Villious.8530:

Vayne.8563:

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Nick.6972:

Vayne, you’re the biggest fanboy around here.
I read (and don’t reply) GW2 forum every now and then and every time I do you’re literally in every thread every time stating how great this game is.
If this game is so great, why do you keep coming back to this forum 24/7?

His express purpose is to maintain a positive atmosphere toward the game and balance out negative posts about GW2:

As for protecting Guild Wars 2, I’m against hyperbole generally and will call people on it, in real life as well as on forums, for the reason of it obscuring truth. It doesn’t matter to me if you like that, or you don’t.

What does matter to me is that the other side of the story gets told.

It’s basically the same MO he had over on a GW2 fan site.

He occasionally has some valid points, but for the most part his undue faith in the game and its inevitable development toward greatness constitutes a kind of flamebait (see the section on “unhelpful fanboy”) that so often ruins online forums.

So you think me giving the other side of the story is unhelpful, where a bunch of people saying the game is dying is helpful. I understand now. Thanks for explaining it to me.

There are those who might say that some people who attack the game at every opportunity, often by quoting some parts of truth while ignoring others are far worse for the forums, but that’s okay. We all have our opinions, even on this.

The OP made a post about Anet being greedy because they were selling emotes, like the ones he had in Guild Wars 1, apparently.

In fact, what is being sold is a three pack of dances, which the OP now claims he wasn’t talking about at all.

Also, since you seem to be good at researching my quotes, why don’t you point out the times I’ve said Anet has made a mistake or I don’t agree with them. Oh, sorry, that doesn’t fit your current theory does it?

This is precisely the same MO that people use in other threads, trying to make a point while ignoring a portion of the evidence.

Vayne, I think the issue is, why do you feel so compelled to give “the other side of the story” so often? I’ve gotten where I can look at the title of a thread and know whether or not your going to post within.

A few days ago, I was talking in Team Speak with my guild. One of my guild mates said something about garuanteed drops. I said “Well you know what they say….the only things in life that are garuanteed are death and taxes”. Then all of a sudden, another guildmate said “You’re wrong about that. They’ve added one. Now the only things garuanteed in life are death, taxes and Vayne white-knighting”. We all bursted out laughing because we all knew what he meant, even though none of us had mentioned your name previously. Congrats bud…..you’re famous!

That’s great. It absolutlely 100% doesn’t matter why I feel the need to stand up against hyperbole or people making false statements, or people omitting truth from other statements. It matters not one whit. This isn’t a thread for discussion.

If you wish to start a discussion about me, please start a new thread. I get that you don’t get it, and that’s fine. But there are people who do get it, and I’ve received appreciative messages from those people…so it works both ways.

Should I listen to you, or the people who clearly like what I’m doing. And again, why does it matter? Why is it so important to you? Why, in fact, am I so interesting to you that you’re discussing me in your spare time?

Maybe you should focus more on the actual issue.

Please re-read. I wasn’t discussing you. Only laughing at the people who were…

Have a nice night Vayne.

Mirta.5029:

Villious.8530:

Vayne, I think the issue is, why do you feel so compelled to give “the other side of the story” so often? I’ve gotten where I can look at the title of a thread and know whether or not your going to post within.

because we like to spend time on the forums.
I’ve seen a lot of the dark side expressed by the same people and a lot of the white side expressed by the same people and I’m completely okay with that. These are the forums, forums are for discussion, you shouldn’t be limited on how many posts a month you can post and after how many months do you have to disappear off the forums.

My post had nothing to do with how many times you can or should post on the forums. I’ve said before, blindly defending all the time looks just as bad as blindly attacking all the time. If Anet needs a full time champion, I’m sure they can work that in the budget.

I’ll let it go at this before I get a infraction. Have a nice day :-)

Vayne.8563:

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Nick.6972:

Vayne, you’re the biggest fanboy around here.
I read (and don’t reply) GW2 forum every now and then and every time I do you’re literally in every thread every time stating how great this game is.
If this game is so great, why do you keep coming back to this forum 24/7?

His express purpose is to maintain a positive atmosphere toward the game and balance out negative posts about GW2:

As for protecting Guild Wars 2, I’m against hyperbole generally and will call people on it, in real life as well as on forums, for the reason of it obscuring truth. It doesn’t matter to me if you like that, or you don’t.

What does matter to me is that the other side of the story gets told.

It’s basically the same MO he had over on a GW2 fan site.

He occasionally has some valid points, but for the most part his undue faith in the game and its inevitable development toward greatness constitutes a kind of flamebait (see the section on “unhelpful fanboy”) that so often ruins online forums.

So you think me giving the other side of the story is unhelpful, where a bunch of people saying the game is dying is helpful. I understand now. Thanks for explaining it to me.

There are those who might say that some people who attack the game at every opportunity, often by quoting some parts of truth while ignoring others are far worse for the forums, but that’s okay. We all have our opinions, even on this.

The OP made a post about Anet being greedy because they were selling emotes, like the ones he had in Guild Wars 1, apparently.

In fact, what is being sold is a three pack of dances, which the OP now claims he wasn’t talking about at all.

Also, since you seem to be good at researching my quotes, why don’t you point out the times I’ve said Anet has made a mistake or I don’t agree with them. Oh, sorry, that doesn’t fit your current theory does it?

This is precisely the same MO that people use in other threads, trying to make a point while ignoring a portion of the evidence.

Vayne, I think the issue is, why do you feel so compelled to give “the other side of the story” so often? I’ve gotten where I can look at the title of a thread and know whether or not your going to post within.

A few days ago, I was talking in Team Speak with my guild. One of my guild mates said something about garuanteed drops. I said “Well you know what they say….the only things in life that are garuanteed are death and taxes”. Then all of a sudden, another guildmate said “You’re wrong about that. They’ve added one. Now the only things garuanteed in life are death, taxes and Vayne white-knighting”. We all bursted out laughing because we all knew what he meant, even though none of us had mentioned your name previously. Congrats bud…..you’re famous!

Nick.6972:

Vayne, you’re the biggest fanboy around here.
I read (and don’t reply) GW2 forum every now and then and every time I do you’re literally in every thread every time stating how great this game is.
If this game is so great, why do you keep coming back to this forum 24/7?

Leave Vayne alone! They sent him a Christmas card and he’s in love!!!!

Vayne.8563:

Villious.8530:

Vayne.8563:

Villious.8530:

The other day I was playing. A game patch kicked me out and I went right back in. I lost all the money, items, exp, ect that I had accumulated over the preceding 30 minutes. No big deal, I just did the hearts again. But, bugs and glitches like this do happen. It COULD be on Anets end. He could have been hacked. If he only scanned with Avast AV, well, lets just say that’s good ‘basic’ protection.

It could be a myriad of possibilities, but acting like a spoiled 4 year old isn’t going to get you very far.

What you experienced was a roll back. That can happen, as has happened in many games. It happens because the main server doesn’t back up every single second, it would slow down the game too much. The server takes snapshots of what you have every so often. If the server happens to crash before the point of a backup, it’s record of what you have doesn’t match your record of what you have. It’s not fun, and it does happen, but I’ve never played any MMO that hasn’t experienced a roll back. I can’t tell you how many times I experienced a roll back in Rift.

What the OP is describing can’t be attributed to roll back. It’s not likely to be attributed to anti-farming stuff either as some say, because that makes no sense.

Logically there’s no reason for Anet to do this and there’s no way a rollback would have been responsible.

Yea, I know what a rollback is. The point I was trying to make is it could be an uncommon glitch or bug. It could be a lot of things. Blindly defending looks just as bad as blindly attacking. Though ill agree, it’s way more plausible that the issue was probably on the user end from poor security practices.

I’m not blindly defending anything. It’s the OP who makes the assumption it’s Anet. That’s all. Could it be a bug? Sure. Is it more likely it’s a bug than something else. Probably not.

If the OP said, yeah my stuff is missing, I wonder if it’s a bug, that’s cool. Blaming a company without a shred of evidence (and he has not a shred of evidence) is simply wrong.

I don’t say it can’t be a bug…what it’s not is what some of the other people it is. And it seems an unlikely bug if it is one.

I completely agree with you. The OP was wrong. That’s why I said that acting like a spoiled 4 year old is not going to get him very far.

I do think that most of the time, you try to be objective Vayne. But for a lot of forum readers, you come across as a champion among champions, but i don’t believe thats your intentions. I think it just gets interpreted that way. I know you like Anet, and that’s cool. I don’t agree with a lot of their decisions, but for now, I really like the game. When the next AAA MMO comes out, we’ll see.

I also agree that this is a good game that could be great……nay…….epic. But I personally feel that way too much emphasis is put on steering to the gem store and RNG. But that’s just me.

Jack Daniels.9723:

SHM.7628:

Vayne.8563:

I think your logic is out of whack. In the beginning, Orr was the most rewarding place in the game and people were there. Anet is now making other places more rewarding, by making it so the reward is more spread out.

Not to interject myself into your argument but I feel that their effort to uncluster people on the map has not worked as planned . It seems they just moved the clusters around a bit. The maps are 98% empty with clusters at certain events.

Ex- you mentioned Hairathi Hinterlands. I’m there a lot too. You know why? There’s people there for the chest. After I’ve done the event chain a 100+ times, I’d like to do something else. There’s a ton of empty events.

If their aim was to get people out of Orr then they were sucessful. The events are virtually undoable now. The problem still exists, they’ve just shifted it a little. I love the chests and loot, but I think it may be part of the problem now.

Yep, exactly. I forgot to mention the chests, but yes that’s another one of those things that you see people piling up at, but virtually nowhere else.

Vayne, I didn’t mean to sound so condescending, and I will give a curt apology: sorry. It just gets very annoying when I have to try to explain the same thing in several essay-sized posts. To me that’s a sign that you didn’t try to understand at all. You simply BS’d it. I understand what you’re afraid of, but I’m telling you that it’s already happened… just in a different way.

Here, Vayne:
Seriously. Get a character. Come to somewhere like Stormbluff Isle. Now just go into an area like Lornar’s pass, or any map that is large, and preferably one that does not have an event chest. Now, explore a bit. Tell me how many champions you encounter that sit around for ages without anyone killing them. FYI, this generally only gets worse as you go to higher level zones. Try tracing the route you would go to get to the second dragon (forgot his name) for the first time. Tell me how many zones you go through where you could go almost half the map without hardly encountering anyone, or how many champions you see just sitting around, with no one to fight them. I have done the same on my warrior, and I will tell you that my list is huge. I encountered no less than four to five champion events, probably in the same map, that had absolutely no one fighting them.

The problem is that people gather people, and that’s causing people to gravitate to certain locations where there are (gasp) a lot of people! Go to Queensdale, and tell me how many champions go unfought. I don’t know about you, but I see the troll getting his kitten handed to him on about 30-40 occasions per hour, usually as soon as he spawns. I have also hardly seen any events really go empty, and I see plenty of higher-level people (30-40+) still running around the zone just obviously grinding on dynamics. Why would they be anywhere else (aside from event chests) when that’s the safest and fastest way to go? Sure, you could argue that they could explore if they wanted to, but going by the “human nature” analysis, why would they do that when there is another path of obviously less resistance? The more people in the zone, the safer it is to do. So I essentially see three types of places get a large population, and every other zone get effectively nothing:

1. Places near event chests.
2. Areas with a high population (Queensdale, Norn, and all places in #1).
3. Dungeons, all that other stuff.

You should quickly be able to see that the issue here is that issue #2 CAUSES issue #2, and without any reason for people to drain from areas that have issue #2, issue #2 just keeps getting worse and worse, aside from the few oddballs that are either going for a legendary weapon or actually care about exploring enough to hinder their progress in the game.

Wow, great post!

Vayne.8563:

Villious.8530:

The other day I was playing. A game patch kicked me out and I went right back in. I lost all the money, items, exp, ect that I had accumulated over the preceding 30 minutes. No big deal, I just did the hearts again. But, bugs and glitches like this do happen. It COULD be on Anets end. He could have been hacked. If he only scanned with Avast AV, well, lets just say that’s good ‘basic’ protection.

It could be a myriad of possibilities, but acting like a spoiled 4 year old isn’t going to get you very far.

What you experienced was a roll back. That can happen, as has happened in many games. It happens because the main server doesn’t back up every single second, it would slow down the game too much. The server takes snapshots of what you have every so often. If the server happens to crash before the point of a backup, it’s record of what you have doesn’t match your record of what you have. It’s not fun, and it does happen, but I’ve never played any MMO that hasn’t experienced a roll back. I can’t tell you how many times I experienced a roll back in Rift.

What the OP is describing can’t be attributed to roll back. It’s not likely to be attributed to anti-farming stuff either as some say, because that makes no sense.

Logically there’s no reason for Anet to do this and there’s no way a rollback would have been responsible.

Yea, I know what a rollback is. The point I was trying to make is it could be an uncommon glitch or bug. It could be a lot of things. Blindly defending looks just as bad as blindly attacking. Though ill agree, it’s way more plausible that the issue was probably on the user end from poor security practices.

Vayne.8563:

clay.7849:

Lol, I’d love to see how the naysayers in this thread would act if their stuff got taken, or worse yet, if they got robbed. I’m sure they would all be patient and understanding.

I’ve been hacked before, in Guild Wars 1 actually, you know that game you loved, and it was a lousy feeling, And I lost EVERYTHING, not just the clothes on my back. If I’d only lost the clothes on my back, I’d have been a lot happier.

Anet wasn’t able to restore my stuff back then either.

I don’t understand not having a restore capability. It’s a basic principle of IT. A lot of people love to hate Blizzard, but they could restore toons, accounts and items. I hope GW2 eventually gets the capability as well.

The other day I was playing. A game patch kicked me out and I went right back in. I lost all the money, items, exp, ect that I had accumulated over the preceding 30 minutes. No big deal, I just did the hearts again. But, bugs and glitches like this do happen. It COULD be on Anets end. He could have been hacked. If he only scanned with Avast AV, well, lets just say that’s good ‘basic’ protection.

It could be a myriad of possibilities, but acting like a spoiled 4 year old isn’t going to get you very far.

Mirta.5029:

Hoyvin.3241:

Mirta.5029:

You’re not supposed to convert gems to gold really.

Says who? Why on earth would they give you an option like that if they didn’t want you to do it?

so you could convert your gold back if you made a mistake converting gold to gems?
Why would you convert gems to gold when the conversion rate just decreases and you get less and less gold?

Uh….what??? facepalm

Mirta.5029:

Meglobob.8620:

They are against farming…

They are also pro you buying gems with real $$$…

Its a marriage made in heaven…

they limit the amount of gems you can buy directly from them in a month. You’re not supposed to convert gems to gold really.

What??!! My jaw hit the floor so hard, it shattered! You can buy all the gems you want. (See below email snippet) Do you think if you want to throw money at them, they’ll refuse it? Everything they do is about making it harder to earn gold so you’ll spend more RL money, and a lot of people do. If you don’t believe that, I’ve got some cheap land I’d like you to take a look at…

“There is a default purchase limit of $300 per 30 days for the “Card on File” purchase option. This purchase limit is there to help players or parents control their spending for the account.
It appears you have almost or already reached the card on file purchase limit for your account. To resolve this issue, simply remove your card on file, and leave it off. I know it’s not as convenient entering your card information each time you wish to make a purchase. However, leaving the card off file means that you will not never hit that card on file purchase limit.

We have just implemented a way for players to remove the card on file from an account. To do this, simply click the trash can icon next to the saved card on file in the Gem Store. Confirm the deletion, and the card will be removed.

Also, if you are receiving an error, it could be because of too many failed attempts within a short time frame."

Please wait a full 24 hours from your last transaction attempt, then try again. For future reference, please keep in mind that too many failed attempts within a short time frame will always result in an error.

TheZeus.8617:

Yeah b/c ya know there is a filter in the game for a reason. WHY people disable this filter is beyond me. I dunno about you but I’m sick of getting suspensions for 72hrs when people deliberately take off the filter. Then cry when you say kitten to them… seriously… kids these days… I dunno if the hate speach has any cursing in it but if it does and YOU take off the filter well that’s on you..

The irony in this post just amazes me….

Drew.1865:

Vayne.8563:

Every month, before the update hits we get a couple of speculation threads, but for the most part the “infighting” in the forums has died down.

It would be really nice if we could keep this sort of calm after the patch (though I’m relatively sure that won’t happen).

One thing I will say about the forums, in general, is that speculation isn’t fact, and until we actually see what’s being done, we won’t know. More than that, until we’ve played the game with the update, we STILL won’t know.

It’s like when the dungeons got updated so you couldn’t rez rush any more, and people were saying it was the end of the world. Well the world didn’t end, and many people seem to like the update.

I’m not saying don’t complain (it wouldn’t stop anyone anyway). I’m saying give changes a chance before you start complaining.

This might be the most hilarious post I’ve ever seen on a gaming forum. I’ve been reading them for years and Anet really needs to buy you dinner for this. Lol!!!!!!!!!

He’s already on the payroll!

My Necro……

Xia.3485:

clay.7849:

But, anyways, you agree that forums are a good way to gather useful information about a game, but if the majority of forums are negative, that doesn’t reflect on the success of the game?

Fascinating. Please tell me how that logic works again…

Because people only post when they aren’t playing; usually when they aren’t happy about something. That’s a good indicator that you made a personal relations snafu (ascended gear). Happy players generally aren’t posting (and some don’t even know the forum exists, or care it does). That being said the general tone of the forums will always be negative.

I truly wonder.. if Arena Net rand a script that would count each unique poster and compare it to each unique player.. would it even hit 1%?

(I’m too lazy to search for it, but Arena Net already posted a similar spiel to what I wrote. You aren’t worth the effort of me searching for it).

Anyway, I’m off to rest. Keep up your crusade of … whatever the hell makes you tick.

Everything here is just conjecture. If I analyze MY hard facts, I know about 18 real life people that played GW2. Out of those 18, two still play because the rest didn’t like the direction the game was going. So if I state any numbers beyond that, it’s just me spewing pointless numbers.

I post at night when I’m in bed surfing on my iPad. I know many folks that post at work, since they can’t play then. Facts in your head aren’t necessarily facts. It’s obvious who the “crusaders” are….

Xia.3485:

clay.7849:

Proof? It’s funny how the majority of people on a forum about a game don’t represent the majority. That is so logical.

Only if you believe that everyone who is playing is also posting; which is ludicrous at best.

Was.. that your belief?

How do you know that the people posting in the forums is not a small snapshot of the larger community? Sounds like you have insight to the numbers…..please share.

Without factual data, opinions such as these are like Schrödinger’s cat, and you can’t know the answer until the box is opened.

…..and Clay……you’re waisting your breath my friend. He’s not gonna get it.

Calae.1738:

Naqaj.6219:

Calae.1738:

I’m not sure how long they will be able to sustain this though. Their Achilles heel is a AAA MMO targeted to a mature audience. The Disney stuff might be tolerable for awhile but; it’ll get dumped really fast. Your average MMO gamers is over 30 and is demanding mature content.

Considering that ‘mature content’ in video games is usually targeted at, and most successful with teenage boys, I sure as hell wouldn’t base an MMO around it.

MMO budget money is already flowing towards that market. Remember that MMOs have been around for about a decade. People are getting older. Their needs change.

Look at The Simpsons. It’s been around for 24 years. Do you think that show would still be around if they had continued to use Bart as the main character?

Uh, MMO’s have been around for almost two decades now.

eisberg.2379:

Vayne.8563:

Aeonblade.8709:

eisberg.2379:

marnick.4305:

I don’t know what this thread is about … I’ve been using the LFG tool for months… It works pretty well and I don’t think a.net has anything to add to it.

up until this thread, I didn’t even know about that website, and when looking for a group nobody ever mentioned it. Even talked about with other people over general chat about the need for a lfg tool over the last several month, and still nobody even mentioned this site.

To me, I would say the vast majority of the players do not even know about this site at all. There needs to be one in the game, then the vast majority of the people will know about one, and it will become even easier for everyone to find groups.

Don’t forget the large chunk of us that know about it but refuse to use a 3rd party website for basic MMO features from 2008. I’m glad they are working on it, I’ll finally see a dungeon when it comes out.

Is it really so bad to join a guild…because that functionality has been in game since launch, making it easy for some of us to find dungeon parties without a third party site at all.

hard to find good guilds. Seems like the vast majority of guilds out there are crap.

Also, many of us are in very small guilds where everyone is not on at the same time. We have to look for PUGs to fill partial groups, or to find a group if we are alone.

Mungrul.9358:

Vayne.8563:

The information you put on that site is your character name. That’s it. The account name is what you use to log in. I said this in my response. So if you can get someone’s account name from here, how is having a character name worse?

Anyone who wants to hack an account and needs info on how to log in just needs to come here.

Honestly why ignore the part of my post when I did respond do you? As far as offensive, I’m not the one who’s calling people names.

Again ignoring the wood for the trees.
I’ve provided you with a non-standard vector of attack that is the most likely to work and WILL be catching some users of gw2lfg and you’ve chosen to ignore it.

I’ve stated how gw2lfg is a security risk. If you really want to know, read my previous post, and properly this time. If you need more information, Google phishing. I’m done here.

Mungrul, many of us here understand clearly what you are saying when it come to the risk. You can’t argue with a narcissist. Some people love to argue just for the sake of arguing. Players here have expressed very valid reasons why this game should have a built in LFG tool. Just because other games didn’t release with it, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be there upon release. It’s much more wise when we learn from others mistakes.

But, we’ve got to give credit where credit is due. He truly is a champion among champions.

emikochan.8504:

Because opening a tab in a browser is harder than opening a tab in a game.

Because flicking a switch on a flashlight is harder than flicking a switch on a dashboard.
:-/

Sir, here’s your shiny new car you just purchased. Oh, it doesn’t have headlights….you can just pick up some flashlights from the hardware store until we eventually get around to designing headlights.

Oh wait….Sir! Here’s your 8-track tape player instead.

Kakeru.2873:

I’ve finally realised why I can’t enjoy or begin to enjoy this game even though it’s amazing and is in my favorite genre.

I’m not the demographic at which they are aiming for.

With the “Super Box Adventure” commercial I realised GW2 is made for the 35 year old gamers, or gamers generally older than me in their late 20s to 30s, who love this nostalgic feeling of 8bit games and bad american commercials. I didn’t grow up with this so to me it’s just not something I can relate to on any level.

With no time constrains and content available to anyone at any skill level, they are aiming this game at ppl who have a wife and possibly kids, gamers who don’t have that much time in the day to actually play games in general, in another term casual players who don’t have all the hours in the day to play. That isn’t me i’m not a casual gamer, I have hours for college work (not uni), and games. I’m not constrain by casual hours.

I’m not looking for an arcade game or an adventure game to play, a 8 bit platformer or a platformer in general. I’m looking to play an mmorpg. Mini games are fun but when the bulk of my fun from the game is coming from mini games, i might aswell be playing a real adventure, platformer or arcade game than a water downed version of such in an MMORPG.

I’m a 46 year old gamer and I played all of the 8-bit games back in the day. That being said, I think the new patch content is just silly. My opinion.

This month will be a breeze

Milkduds.7109:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Trying to claim what the “silent majority” likes or dislikes is fail, considering they are silent.

I will always remember John Smedly, CEO of SOE, stating that “people who like the NGE are playing the game, not posting on the forums” Shortly after that, they lost massive numbers of subscribers, and were forced to refund an expansion purchase to anyone that asked for it.

No one knows what the silent majority is doing. Silently playing the game, or Silently uninstalling it.

Ahh, such a true post.

What I find baffling about this thread are the people who, as entitled to their opinions as they may be, are shocked at the “kind of game” this is.

How could you have not done a little homework and clearly seen this was not a grimdark or Tolkien high fantasy game. It doesn’t really suggest “traditional fantasy” at all. I think it was very obvious that this game was not going to be a serious affair.

If you’re asking for a surrogate world that also just so happens to be fantasy in setting, then this has never been a stop on the train ride worth getting off for. It’s a fine world, but it is not deeply immersive, making me forget reality, and extremely serious. It has never been portrayed as such.

The people in this thread who seem to feel almost betrayed astound me.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head. If GW2 is true to it’s roots, then I think a lot of people are having an identity crisis with it. I really didn’t play the original GW, but if GW2 follows in its foot steps, I’m sure I would have had issues with it as well.

Again, there are many things about GW2 that I do like and enjoy, but in the end, it is a time filler until something a bit more rooted in the traditional fantasy genre is released.
To those people who like the silly/my little pony stuff, I’m not putting you down. Different strokes for different folks. But, everyone that paid the money for the game, has a right to their opinion.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Trying to claim what the “silent majority” likes or dislikes is fail, considering they are silent.

I will always remember John Smedly, CEO of SOE, stating that “people who like the NGE are playing the game, not posting on the forums” Shortly after that, they lost massive numbers of subscribers, and were forced to refund an expansion purchase to anyone that asked for it.

No one knows what the silent majority is doing. Silently playing the game, or Silently uninstalling it.

Thank you.

Heijincks.9267:

Villious.8530:

sirflamesword.3896:

Villious.8530:

This isn’t your father’s fantasy MMO…

I mean, we have bows that shoot unicorns. I’m looking forward to the next serious fantasy MMO being released. GW2 is just a time killer until then.

I usually don’t say this…but thank god maybe getting rid of the people like you will bring the devs into making this game more fun. Just like how this minigame is.

I like many aspects of GW2. They had some great ideas that should be implemented in all MMO’s from here on out. When it actually has some competition, we’ll see how solid the foundation.

You may find that when the next AAA MMO’s are released, and you get rid of “people like me”, that you’ll be having “more fun” while consolidating servers and trying to find enough people to play with.

Since you threw the first punch, I could wish to get rid of “people like you” and see this game become what it could, and should have been. Just like mine, your version of “fun” is opinion, and we all paid the money to have one, even if it doesn’t mirror yours.

Actually, people who somehow didn’t like the new content and wishes it isn’t in GW2 makes up a very very very small minority.

I’m actually surprised it offends people.

I have 6 RL friends that still play GW2, and none of which post on the forums. All think the new content is silly and don’t care for it. That being said, we’re all older. Maybe the appeal is within the teen/tween community?

Not saying your wrong, just wondering where you get your statistics from?

Xirin.8593:

EverQuest 1.

Classic, Kunark and Velious (mayyyybe through Planes of Power, but even that is diluting it a little). I’m talking 1999 through 2001.

If you didn’t experience it, I feel sorry for you.

Amen brother!

Monsoon.2589:

Why do I need to use a third party website to play the game?

I love how people defend Anet when it comes to having a player design, what should be a core game feature, a method to “take care of business”. Hmmmm…maybe we should give some business to other “outsiders” as well? Maybe….gold sellers? Both make about as much sense to me.

Been playing MMO’s for over 16 years. GW2 the best? Ummmmm….no.
Best easy-mode, casual, beautiful and confusing vision/direction….yes.

This isn’t your father’s fantasy MMO…

I mean, we have bows that shoot unicorns. I’m looking forward to the next serious fantasy MMO being released. GW2 is just a time killer until then.

Great videos, but can you turn down the music? The music is as loud as you are, and hard to hear you as well as distracting.

Morthur.3894:

I couldn’t possibly care less what my character looks like if I tried. After all I like to play MMORPGs and not dress dolls. You can also simply transmute the looks of a staff you don’t find boring onto a staff with decent stats. Don’t really see any problem here (and definitely nothing worth even a second of development time – there are sooo many other, far more important things that this game totally lacks before we should start worrying about irrelevant cosmetic details that 95% of the MMO demographic don’t give a flying kitten about).

Holy narcissist batman!!!

I imagine most people will be playing the next best thing by the time scavenger hunts see the light of day.

Adry.7512:

the fact that u lvl up with crafting, beautiful. WvW its amazing. the mists pvp….needs more variety, seriously, but i love it too. the storyline, epic. everything is just really really good. i dont even understand how people can complain, dont get me wrong i read the threads and comments, but their all senseless to me =/. the game is nr1 without a doubt, this isnt even a biased comments cause i PLAYED a LOT of mmorpgs, and GW2’s nr1 status is no lie.

What do you call a “LOT” of MMO’s? I’ve been playing MMO’s for 16 years, and to be honest, I’m guessing that’s about how old you are. I cut my teeth in Ultima Online. This is a wonderful MMO, but could be much better. I just can’t help but think, you’re opinion is coming from a very narrow perspective. Glad you are having fun, as am I, but if upcoming MMOs are paying attention, they have the opportunity to blow GW2 out of the water.

…..I would not be playing. Not fee quality.

Sums up my feelings on the current UI. Great job!
Anet should hire you to do this on a mass scale on all other aspects of the game. Perhaps then, they may be able to make a decision on the direction they would like to proceed. :-)

thisolderhead.5127:

Wasn’t Colin, serious use a search people.

The lady who’s job it is posted that it was in early sketch design but not being implemented by a team yet, and then the internet turned special and went “Waaaaah no hunt waaaaaaaah you said next patch”… which they didn’t.

Its a carrot to keep you hoping until they fix the real problem, one day the balanced precursor market will be close enough to real and the only people wanting the hunt will be cheap/lazy folks who stopped otherwise trying when it was “announced”.

Maybe, you Sir, should take your own advice before calling someone else out.

Colin Johanson, December 2012
Hey guys,
Just a quick update on where the whole scavenger hunt system stands since I know that’s a topic many of you have brought up recently. We’re not currently actively working on building any sort of legendary precursor scavenger hunt, this is something we want to do in the future and we’re in the midst of designing how this would function, but no one is actively building this feature and you should not expect in the Jan/Feb/March releases at this point.
We are however working on expanding reward systems to make them more re-rewarding across all parts of the game, making the open world more rewarding, and adding new ways you can earn precursors as rewards via new reward systems taking advantage of our open persistent world.
Some of these additions will come as early as the January release, and will get covered in more detail in the next week or two as well release all the details about this release once testing has signed off it’s all ready to go in January. (we’ll also provide a high level summary of our goals with reward systems, etc. in our 2013 blog post, which should be out next week)

No matter which side of the coin you are on, your opinion does not = fact.
For every 10 people that don’t want mounts, 10 do. To me, it seems the pro-mount folks try more to speak opinion, and the anti-mount folks seem to think theirs is fact.

SadieDeAtreia.8912:

A game doesn’t even need to be a success to be considered successful: Diablo 3.

Anyway, even though GW2 will never be a “WoW killer” the game did bring a lot of fresh ideas to the MMO table. Credit where credit’s due…

It’s unfortunate that they alienated so many of their loyal following early on, firstly, by not sticking to their initial design philosophy and, secondly, by not seeming sure of the direction they actually want to take.

I suspect that it will take a company with more resources and experience (like Blizzard, for example) to take these ideas from GW2 and other recent titles and incorporate it into something that will become the “next WoW”.

Very good post Sir! +1

I got this for the first time today.

CorruptedSave.2570:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

I really have to wonder, why do people start playing a game that is different from all the others out there, then try to turn it in to “the other game” that they like to play so much? If you like the other game so much, go play that and leave us alone. GW2 has been perverted enough by players trying to turn it in to another clone, enough is enough. Go away.

I completely agree.

It is like the whole “player housing” movement. Why do people want that in this game? They already have it in other games, we don’t need it here.

I don’t even know what to say to this logic….just…….wow.

Didn’t Colin say that even thought the scavenger hunt was planned, it’s not actually being worked on at the moment? I was thinking he basically said that its going to take a while.

Akhellan.4180:

Calae.1738:

Of coarse, what was I thinking? Lets make this as easy as possible. No one needs to be challenged. Especially not in a video game. Of all places.

I apologize for my earlier remarks. I was out of line. Clearly our perspectives are too different to see eye to eye. However, it is very clear to me that you haven’t read most of what I’ve written. I do not want there to be no challenge in the game. I just don’t want it slathered over the entire game like a coat of paint… please leave someplace in the game for folks like me. That is all I ask.

In the end though this is all completely academic: the devs will decide what they will do and players will choose how to respond. I will say no more.

Save your breath Akhellan. He’s not going to understand that any more than he understands what respect is…

Consistency is key, and in the past seven months, consistency is the last thing we’ve had.

Ace.1726:

After playing GW2 its hard to go back to any other game. I just realised this a few weeks ago, why should I play a game that developers haven’t put the same amount of effort into as GW2.

How would you know how much effort developers put into a game that was launched almost a decade ago? You must have an inside scoop. :-/

Guild Wars 2 has set a new MMO bar in areas such as graphics, instanced gathering, side-kicked zones and server wide trading post to name a few. From this point on, these are features we will expect in new MMOs upon release. This being said, there are features that older MMOs have that I expected GW2 to have upon release. Such as TP preview, a tiny bit customizable UI, last logged in, guild management tools, LoS adjustment to name a few.

Anet did break some ground, but I hope the next MMOs incorporate these features at the start, and learn from GW2’s many mistakes over the past 7 months. If they can take this, make smart decisions/have a clear direction, and expand upon it……well, lets just say Anet should be after all the gem purchases they can get in the mean time.

Iruwen.3164:

Villious.8530:

Hoodies? Really? What’s next…….Nike and Sketchers shoes? Talk about breaking immersion. It just seems as if Anet is just wildly shooting in the dark with no real direction.

I just tried the clothes ingame and there’s absolutely nothing “immersion breaking” about them, unless you think the fact that a hoodie is actually called a hoodie does that. They absolutely don’t look off, maybe try yourself instead of just ranting based on what you read.

Maybe dont make assumptions. I’ve seen em……don’t like em……that’s my opinion…….have a nice day.