Guild Wars 2

Cynz.9437:

Well, 3 people showed up (including myself). We did manage to do 1 pvp mission :P

It was so fast we rolled over the other team ! Anyway we need more people to do the other guild missions since invoking 8 mist champs in a game is a bit tough with a team of 3 people. Pve missions also need more people.

We even allowed Cynz to queue in less than an hour ^^

Splatter Paw.7238:

Id happily help out with guild missions, id also like a invite if possible

I sent you one, but the proper way to do it is here :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Teef-The-Thief-forum-Guild/first

Sunday evening then ? Nice

I think it works in unranked, we just need to represent the guild or it doesn’t count. It happened to me before…

Zodryn.4216:

HtC in acro will stun break instantly, but I don’t know how many people run acro these days. They may also be blocking. Traps do seem a bit buggy at times too.

I know but since you knew about this trait I didn’t mentioned it. Bandit defense i a 15 sec cooldown stun break so if anyone has DD I don’t think he will trade it for hard to catch. Especially if they use dash.

Since people now plays DD maybe it’s that skill:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bandit's_Defense

I can’t see any other thing other than that.

If you count Raguel, Cynz and Vornello we are actually 4 active EU players I’m around almost everyday from 6:30 pm to 11pm. So shall we do something ?

If I remember right I’m in a guild team with Vornollo, so you can join ^^

Cynz: I don’t now how the game handle pvp groups of different leagues now. Anyway if your queue is that long we can do it in unranked just for the missions.

Always nice to have people posting videos of their thieves. Personally I wouldn’t have the confidence ^^

One advice though, you shouldn’t use shortbow that much. you would provide much more support attacking people at the margin of the teamfight using d/p and applying pressure with timed headshots, or just decapping somewhere else.

D/p is a wonderful set, so learn to use every bit of it properly, not only using 1-2 skills at a time.

Hey fellow thieves !

I just happened to look into the guild treasury and we have a lot of stuff !

The only problem is that we lack favor for upgrades…

I know that representing the guild is not compulsory, but I also know that those who will read this are regulars. A guild mission, especially pvp, is not that long.

Our guild promotes help between thieves, helping new thieves to get better and veterans to share their knowledge and I think guild missions are a good way to do that as well.

So let’s do it once in a while

That and I want a nice guild hall so badly….

It’s a dumb comment but, you have 4 character slots, make use of it, level some characters up and learn mechanics in pve, do it so that you can recognize what the other people are playing in pvp.

For what it’s worth, you should also train in the heart of the mist. Start with the professions npc, they are slow, completely dumb but at least they give you time to get used to some animations, so you can recognize them in actual battle. Then solo svanir and the chief, battle them until you are at ease. They hit hard, have some CC, you can become more confident with your play style under pressure. Then do a solo lord, aggro all the npcs to get used to battle multiples foes and keep an eye on several foes at the same time.

As a thief player, another advise, look at your health bar and status bar. Learn to put your defensive mechanisms in a split of seconds when they start to decrease.

You can also have a look at the death logs that sums up the amount of damage and the skills that did it, so you can keep an eye on those skills next time.

actually it depends on your role and mobility. At the beginning of the game you usually have a 1v1 on far or close ( exception on nifhelm ). With a high mobility character you are more likely to intercept people between nodes, especially when just capped because you need 16 sec to cap a node and 8 to cap. So you need to capitalise on your node a bit.

You just have to remember one thing, you usually don’t profit from 1v1 and it worsen as the fight drags on. Pvp is a team game, most started 1v1 doesn’t end as 1v1.

Snowywonders.1378:

Also, I think anet rarely changes animations of anything. The only example I can think of is sword for ranger. But that was for gameplay reasons, not aesthetic reasons.

You weren’t around for HoT beta, we battled so much for the current animations ^^

doesn’t relying on a static field in a fight a bit tough ? I mean you have to capitalize on that smoke field otherwise it’s a wasted utility with it’s long cooldown.

I ’m curious about your rotation with quick pocket and p/p sb.

Hey guys,

I tried my hand on p/p builds recently. I came up with a fun version to play :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAqa6an0MBVOhFOBmOBkmilfCbbMFAKTeDhpQLYOAeAfgA-TZBFABXv/ABHEgqKDIwRAAgXAAA

Just to be clear, in this build you abandon all idea of team utility for pure offense. This build is a bit no brain and I think it works because it is unranked right now. The idea is, how can I maximize unload use? My final answer was to have p/p on both sets and the Quick pocket GM ( infiltrator signet for even more initiative ).

The fury is provided thanks to the rune of evasion that synergize with ankle shot and no Quarter. It’s also a ferocity main stat which is a plus for the build. I was actually surprised how well that rune fits in the build.

I know some of you loath the idea of not using shortbow but dash is here to compensate that a little.

Try it out if you want a breeze from your usual build once in a while

Why not make it transform in an animal with the same mechanics as the class ?

Like thief in panthers, rev in smokeScale, pewpew in bristlebacks, warriors in boars, and so on ?

Pvp, it’s in the title ^^

and elite spec since obviously bound and dash are linked to daredevil.

I’m not asking what is gone and how kitten it is now, but if it can be a competitive remplacement for shortbow’s utilities. Is the trade worth ? I know some people out there are better in in-game maths and adding modifiers, I’m not.

hey guys,

I was considering using p/p + dash instead of shortbow. In your opinion is it worth trading bound and the 10% damage modifier for unload’s might stacks + dash ?

on a d/p main set:

shortbow & bound
-vertical movement
- area poison on downed
-easy access to stealth ( black powder + bound ), +10% damages (4sec)
-area damage on bound
-easy blast finisher access

p/p & dash
- 8 might stacks on unload on hit
- interrupt
- bleed pressure ( for what it’s worth on a power build )
- interrupt access
- minus 10% dammage (4sec)
-perma swiftness + long range dodge
-condi clean : imob, chill, cripple

Here is mine,

• leyline mask
• inquest guise
• assassin’s gloves
• assassin’s leggings
• assassin’s boots
• order of whisper’s backpack

colors : shadow yellow – antique gold – heirloom – redemption – pottery – chocolate

I prefer small particules to big flashy amors ( how can you guys even use the zodiac armor skin ?!?! ). The orrians weapons have quite a nice particule effect without beeing too much.

Kageseigi.2150:

The second question concerns lords in maps like Legacy and Stronghold. What is the best way to deal with the lord? And how does a Thief deal the most damage to the lord? If I’m first on the scene, I usually try to take out the guards. But the Lords are quite stout for me… even as a DA/CS Zerker Thief. Yesterday, my whole team was attacking the Stronghold lord, I was constantly attacking with auto-attacks and Shadow Shots, then Heartseekers when the lord’s health was under 50%. But I could barely dent it.

Thanks for the help! :-D

The stronghold lord is just too much to handle by yourself ( maybe you can scratch him with a condi build but not even sure ). If you really want to push just kill the guards. As for legacy, you should start by killing the casters because their lightnings are annoying. then once you are alone against the lord just AA in the smokefield and stealth just at teh end of it. The best way is to practice in the heart of the mist.

It still takes time to kill it by yourself, it often not worth doing it.

Yannir.4132:

Thieves are not good with torment, don’t try to force it. Play to your strengths.

I’m ok with the sigil and rune, but I disagree on the torment, on average I manage to get 6 stacks of torment and the most I applied was 11 stacks.

Yannir.4132:

And lastly, I would go with PI. EA is a bit more forgiving of mistakes but if you get condibombed in the first place, you are likely doing something wrong anyway. Maybe use EA until you get off the training-wheels, and swap to PI when you are more confident with your thief?

I will work on that one

Hi guys,

I’m trying to make a pvp condi d/p build focusing on Pressure Striking from the trickery line. It relies mostly on head shots and interrupts that proc pressure striking to apply torment.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoaVn0MBFOhFmCmOB8PhlWCbeE2CfhelhI1cQLAcAWAA-TZRHABD8AAAvMAAHBggPFA6u/AA

I’m a complete noob on rune and sigils choice, so if you could help me with that and the build in general.

I don’t know if it would be better to go for sinister or viper, I feel like sinister has more sinergy with the sigils, but power is quite dropped down. What do you guys think ?

EDIT: As great as pulmonary impact is it’s better to go for Escapist’s Absolution, because no condi clear is suicide :p

I suppose something like that could do what you are looking for.
Before the endurance sigil change, weapon swap to get back endurance was quite nice, you can probably change the runes but, it’s the best to max weapon swap output.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAoY4In0MBVOh9OBGmilWCbuEuCfhdLmnQVQLAcAWAA-TZRHABeXGAgjAgO7PIwJBIgHAAA

for what is worth, if you avoid staff’s marks and the signet that put all condis. the rest is pretty much manageable.

I know it’s easier written than done. they will usually set marks as soon as you enter their range so I dodge sideway to avoid the first one. I play a bit of condi necro, I know I spam marks when the ennemis is at range. Then I steal so they just put the marks behind me while I’m on the target. septer/X is not that fast to build up condis so you have time to put pressure.

As for chill and shroud, you should disengage and wait for it to end, you have a 7 sec window then.

Nice video ! It seems so easy to do :O

How many attempts do you fail before succeeding one ? It seems you practiced a lot so yo musn’t miss a lot.

Hi !

This question has been in my mind for a while now and once I start thinking about it, I can’t find an answer. Could one of the Dev explain how the balance process works ?

On what tools do you base your judgment for balance ? As a player I make my own judgment on how a class should be because I play with/against it on an everyday basis. But if I had to balance a whole game I don’t know where I should start.

Do you base your judgment on an analysis of data’s from the game ? Do you have somekind of big data tool that shows you that 70% of the damages on ranger comes from Bristleback ? Do you have testers ? Do you base yourself on the ESL pro league ?

I’m also interested in the approch you have when doing a balance patch and how you distribute the teams around game mode / classes / stuff.

Lastly, if we could have an idea of how much the forum / reddit is involved in the process, that would be great. I know you read the forum, but how much does it impact the process?

We don’t have those kind of info on guild chat so maybe you could tell us about it here. I feel like some changes, which made people awkards, make sense if it’s looked from the appropriate point of view.

If some people have some ideas of how the process is done, feel free to share. It’s really easy to say “they have a generator of random patch” but once you really think about it, what kind of data can they use ? So please do some constructive answer

style.6173:

You are junk tier for two seasons in a row. I hope you have an alt.

Just asking but, What population of player are you talking to ? In which one do you consider yourself into ?

I don’t really know why I should suffer more on this season than the last one.

Something crossed my mind not too long ago and I can’t find a real answer to that one. Maybe it’s an overly stupid question.

I ‘ve never seen a thief using blackpowder + steal(or any sort of tp) as an engage. Is there a reason to it ? Doesn’t it make sense to bring a smoke field on the battlefield instead of wasting it outside of the range of the fight ? Is wanting to engage in stealth the reason for that? Is it really worth it?

Topher: how much do you use #4 on s/d ? I don’t use it a lot, but I can see its worth to keep pressure. MadVision was using it in his s/d video as well.

I believe you can use your elite skill up to stage two then go for fist flurry on your build.

I really don’t have a problem using fist flurry when used with basilic venom in pvp ( I’m ruby tier 3 for what it’s worth ). The venom last just long enough to hit every strikes then the pulmonary strike often interrupt the skill they use. You also have to use it when people are the least expecting it : I tend to use it coupled with a side shadowstep and steal to misdirect them since it’s a 1500 ~ 2000 ranged opening.

The key is to use different patterns each time, so that they become watchfull of it whereas d/p ( in my case ) is as dangerous as fist flurry.

It’s also super effective against downed people, even faster than shortbow’s clusterbomb with no initiative cost.

Cynz.9437:

Then there is also personal thing: every player plays bit different even if they run same build..

that’s exactly what I’m after ! All those answers are really interesting and I think I will take into account some few things for my next matches

I’m also using fist furry + basilic venom, it’s really effective on most ( if not all except revs ) classes. I don’t hesitate to obliterate someone at 2.000 range for max surprise effect even at the cost of heavy cooldown with the combo basilic venom + shadowstep + HS + steal + fistflurry.

Loading.4503:

Anything that will annoy the kitten out of whoever your fighting, and for me currently in wvw it’s
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAsan0MBVOhFmCmOBkmilriaO6z+vvbBmuAwbDygPA-T1QRABLfCAU+BAAw+DCCwcA-w

THe build is good but how do you play it ? what skill do you rely on the most ? What kind of engage do you do ? is it steal + pistol whip ? or do you engage with #2 and use pistol whip only for defensive purpose ?

You see, there is a lot of question behind a build, which was the point of my thread.

Hey guys !

I was just watching caed’s stream and after one hour watching, something caught my mind. He was never using heartseek ! only using AA and blackpowder, sometimes a barage of headshot and some well timed shadowshot.
His gameplay is completely different from mine which rely a lot more on shadowshot and HS. I’m also not that much in stealth during fights.

Then the obvious question came to my mind..How to play thief ? I mean, we are all discussing about builds – runes, traits but those are pretty much standards by now ( to a few variations ). What about the core of the thief which is us, the players and the way we embrace our profession ?

As for myself,

• when I play d/p I’m more frenetic about doing dammage, I mostly rely on a combo of AA, shadow shot for gap closing and blind ( I tend to abuse that one ). I mostly use blackpowder for defensive purpose relying more on the blind field than it’s capacity to provide stealth.
  In the end I don’t use stealth that much, mainly to engage with the combo blackpowder + bound + steal +backstab.

• As for shortbow, I use it as soon as there is a downed & a reviver, a stealth zone or a teamfight in a tight area so that I can spam cluster bomb. I don’t stomp light armor ennemis but instead I finish them with shortbow cluster. It’s depends of the sitation with medium armor characters.

I’m really interested in the way you guys play your thief, which skills do you use in a weapon set, which one is not even worth mentioning for you. Your vision of the play, when you disengage, when do you temporize… If you could state your experience with the corresponding weapon set I would be really gratefull ! Sometimes, a slight meaningless tip for you means the biggest revelation in their life time for someone else !

I will be ingame tommorow all the day until 7pm and sunday too.

I’m a bit lost here,

could you make a recap ? When did the team became full ? ^^

I couldn’t connect today…Did the EU raid happened or are we still planning ?

if we are still in planning phase, I will fill a DPS spot, I will post the build later. I’m mostly a pvp player (but still have half exotic / half ascended ) , so if you could help me about the best food / sharpening stones, etc.

i’m chef 400 and weaponshmith 434, if we need to craft some consumables.

Good luck for you guys !

kitten , I’m so envious of NA. I have to be around when you go at it…I will maybe pass by the TS if you use it.

I hate you all :p

First I was " hum…let’s see what happends" then I read all the answers, and now I’m doubtful as hell.

you should be reincarnated in grench, all of you.

Jomika.2310:

So, I’ve new to the game (or well, sort of. Played a lot like 3 years ago..) and I’ve been playing my thief to lvl 50. I realised I could be better so I went on the forums and reddit and found out that I had A LOT to learn to become a good thief. However, I also learned that thiefs aren’t considered a good class to play anymore after all the nerfs so I’m thinking of rerolling.

I really really really like playing with my thief but so far I haven’t done any other content then PvE (no dungeons or fractals). Everyone writes thief is bad for endgame and I’m wondering what your opinions are, could you still do the content with a thief? Will any dungeon/fractal/w/e group want you? Or is it just a waste of time? Worth mentioning is that I’m a solo player.

Since I really enjoy the class I suppose the easy answer is that I should stick with what I like but I don’t want to invest a lot of time (the learning curve is quite high after all) in a class I wont be able to play later on. So, what would you recommend? If I should re-roll is there a class that is as fun as the thief? Don’t really want to play a warrior since they seem to basic and simple even if they’re awesome for most content. I’m just wondering what your thoughts are, as a solo, noob, player, can I make the thief work?

You can do all content with a thief. Sometimes it’s harder than with other classes ( first time I went in HoT was with a thief and I thought those raptors were deadly, then I tried reaper and it was a piece of cake ).

As for end game content and groups there is only one answer : Make your group, you will eventually have people joining that don’t mind thieves.

I can’t really guide ou on reroll, I think it’s personnal taste. I’m playing mesmer as well it’s both really diferent and similar to thief. You should keep in mind that experience gained playing thief is never lost. It helps you anticipate, evaluate odds in an encounter, be aware of your surrounding much more efficiently thhan other classes since errors can often be fatals

When leveling do it zone by zone ! Take the time to do all the hearts of a map before going into another. The feeling of immersion is completly different than rushing through the maps.

I rushed with my thief and ranger and I regret it a little.

Hey guys !

The [Teef] guild is organizing an all thief raid and we need your help !

For now the NA team is complete and is ready to go the 16th. On the EU side we are still missing 2 people.

We should schedule a date once the team is complete. Everybody is welcomed as long as you bring your thief with you !

If you are interested repply in the thread in the thief forum part, link below.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Teef-All-thief-Raid-Recruiting/first#post5903554

Ok, since we still miss 2 people on EU team, I will try to get people from the raid forum part.

reminder of the current EU team :

-Wargameur
-Shinobi
-Raguel
-LordMazdamundi
-Barubar
-zGwmark
-Reem
-DasPatAttack

Cynz.9437:

Wargameur.6950:

Hi !

I wanted to know if other people had the issue of big lags when playing against revenant’s chaotic release.

The closer the character is from the Rev, the worst it is. It’s especially annoying fighting on nodes. I don’t have any other lag issue from other classes skills except this one

I would say the lag occurs at less than 300 range.

with certain camera angle yea

Most of the time when the wings of the dragon expend just next to it. Which occurs quite frequently since we are not looking at the sky while fighting.

Hi !

I wanted to know if other people had the issue of big lags when playing against revenant’s chaotic release.

The closer the character is from the Rev, the worst it is. It’s especially annoying fighting on nodes. I don’t have any other lag issue from other classes skills except this one

I would say the lag occurs at less than 300 range.

Would you mind sharing what the legendary rewards are ?

I’m just curious because Anet said they would be nice, and it would increase through legendary ranks.

hey guys !

I wanted to know, what were your settings for playing optimal pvp as thief. be it camera, mouse options, collision option.

I’m using the instacast setting, with cast at max range setting, and some other stuff. But I wanted to know yours.

I see some people using the option for condi damage ( the one that make confusion as big as your caracter), what i the advantage of it ?

Nice video !

One random question is the round purple thing at mouse location a mouse setting ?

There is also a lot of good threads, new build propositions, advises, not just hate and blood ^^

The Q&A thread from Caed, is a nice exemple of that. Lots of people having interesting questions, builds propositions, DPS comparisons in that one.

Sometimes there is even some love ( Beta Feedback Daredevil thread after weekend 2 ) if you look for it.

What we haven’t tried yet is a video compilation of a build containing all bugged skills and post it in every part of the forum.

Reem.3578:

Wargameur.6950:

Reem.3578:

I’d like to try and join the EU run, if there is a place for me there
I can fill any role, just tell me what you need and which gear to get

Character’s name: Hestia Shadowalker

Edit: character’s name

Of course there is

With Reem and DasPatAttack added to the team we are only missing 2 people on the EU side.

Yay! ^^
Just tell me the build you need me to use and the gear to get a little time before, okay?

I think I will make a thread to set up positions, builds, gear, consumables and internal planning once the team wil be completed !

Reem.3578:

I’d like to try and join the EU run, if there is a place for me there
I can fill any role, just tell me what you need and which gear to get

Character’s name: Hestia Shadowalker

Edit: character’s name

Of course there is

With Reem and DasPatAttack added to the team we are only missing 2 people on the EU side.

I run D/P over S/X especiall in HoT, the easy acess to stealth is nice to go through raptors, rolling devils and chaks and other annoying little monsters.

But I agree, Thief is the best Mining tool ever !

Current team for EU:

-Wargameur
-Shinobi
-Raguel
-LordMazdamundi
-Barubar
-zGwmark

there is 4 places left !

eyesrutherford.1357:

in my opinion you could get way more out of the build of you’d not take dueling and take another trait line. You already get enough lone production through chrono. The dodge clone production, yes provides deception, but can accidentally cause you to lose your phantasms by accident and cause damage loss just because you needed to evade. While the chronomancer trait line gives you a pretty nice amount of additional clones. ID say if it works for us then great. But why not experiment further

Edit : those two traits are why I called it a clone factory :p

I feel like the clone on dodge help filling the power up on shatter on demand. and the reflect on dodge is a nice counter against some ranger and dh ( maybe if I was less noob I wouldn’t need it)

Do you have another choice from dueling ? I tried inspiration but I feel it’s lacking. Maybe chaos