Guild Wars 2

Enjoyluck.2618:

How about you give me a greatsword and remove stealth > : )

That a/o a rifle.

Maybe that zerg was crap?

Player Character.9467:

emadc.7680:

you can not keep the stealth forever. Making it last is not an easy thing

Yes, yes you can. It is well known. It is posted on these forums. It has been pointed to by anet as something not intended in the design of the class. Please refrain from lying on the forums.

Zacchary.6183:

Player Character.9467:

regardless of FIGHTING thieves, they can still permanently stealth themselves

Permastealth was removed. Stealth cannot be stacked higher than 12s.

and you can continue to stack it to 12s…

Only so much.

What they need is a dedicated filter that actually works.

Trenchcoat/longcoat = awesome.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassLongcoat

Sleeveless Trenchcoat/longcoat = more awesome.

Yeah I never really use stealing anyway. It is useless unless you spec for it imo.

DISCLAIMER: Feel free to use straw man on this comment since every other baddie feels this claim is detrimental to their anti-thief crusade.

Last night in Kaineng, my friends (ele and engi) and I were messing around in Greenbriar when, for 30 minutes straight, a Thief was harassing every caravan going to it. Third harass attempt I caught him in the distance and told my friends about it. So we waited.

This pretty much was the encounter from there:

1. Prepped “behind me” (queue) in chat.
2. Place Tripwire behind Yak.
3. Thief trips it less than a second later.
4. Said queue when trap disappeared.
5. Friends run through me and start using improvised AoE.
6. Thief appears and starts attacking us.
7. At 30% hp, the Thief pops shadow refuge (which we all saw the refuge).
8. All three coordinate a debilitating attack on the Refuge: Ele uses Frozen Ground. Engi uses Glue Shot. I used Caltrops.
9. Thief ran out too early at 20% HP and appeared seconds later with Cripple.
10. I spam Dancing Dagger to keep his butt crippled while my friends kill him.

It was glorious and the best part was he stuck with the zerg afterwards.

tl;dr ==> l2p
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@ the “lol u needed 3 people” baddies

Since you missed the point of the example, let me spell it out to you. All three of us knew what we were doing. Any one of us could have either repelled or killed the thief but since the thief reached the threshold of annoyance all three of us decided to kill him. L2P tips will be bolded. You can also click the second link in my siggy.

The thief that was targeting our dolyak stealthed. I could only assume that he was going to open with a backstab in which I decided to place AoE CC directly behind the dolyak called Tripwire. *I waited until I was at the dolyak’s kitten before I place it and saw it disappear (trigger) second later.

Placing timed CC directly behind the dolyak effectively stopped the thief in his tracks and allowed a 3s window of free hits while he burns away his stealth.

Ring of Warding, Chilblains, Staggering Blow, etc. would have the same effect as Tripwire, in this case, by halting the thief’s advance.

Since the thief got put on his kitten and stealth doesn’t have to end for the damaging attacks to work, my friends started using “improvised AoE” (Blowtorch and Fireball while running in a circle in this case). Don’t know what it is? Grab a ranged weapon, run in a wide circle and spam the 1 skill. You just used IAoE. Yay.

Thief was at around 60% when he appeared from stealth so we briefly (about 10 seconds) tussled with him and got him down to 30% even after he blew his Hide in Shadows. That’s when he popped Shadow Refuge.

Now Anet lets you guys see the refuge and for some reason you never think that the thief just might be in it for the 3-4s duration. So how do we get the thief in this large ring? Easy…. you hit the entire ring with cripple/AoE. Shadow Refuge > Fleet Shadow is common so if you see it that means the thief will book it as soon as the refuge drops.

Things like Cripple, Chilled and Immobilize will screw the thief out of his mobility. Since my friends and I already knew he would pop it at low hp, we saved our AoE cripples/chills for his Shadow Refuge.

Once he became visible, I began throwing Dancing Dagger every few seconds to keep cripple on him. My friends caught up to him and he melted.

Point is all of us trained ourselves against stealth-heavy builds so this was just an opportunity to apply what we knew. We knew wtf we were doing, so you should be capable of knowing wtf you are doing too.

God forbid they work on something other than living story and Gem Store!

Player Character.9467:

regardless of FIGHTING thieves, they can still permanently stealth themselves

Permastealth was removed. Stealth cannot be stacked higher than 12s.

Pfft Cheesemers are better.

HERE IS MY SOLUTION!

Offhand light (aka no offhand weapon) replaces off hand skills as well. These offhand skills should be based on the mainhand weapon as well.

Genocide.4506:

My fav LA spot

:P Aww adorable interspecies relationships lol

:D I am all for thief buffs!

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Zacchary.6183:

I love how people pull the “I don’t have to use the word filter. You shouldn’t be cussing in the first place” excuse. Guess what, you have your own preference which means as much if not less than your opinion. You can’t force anyone to stop cussing. You can’t force anyone to do kitten. You can, however, be the more mature adult and ignore it or block it.

You can most definitely force people to stop cussing. Especially if they are misbehaving on purpose. After all, in the EULA players agreed to not act like jerks.

I don’t use the word filter, because it blocks swear words in every language, even in languages I don’t speak. Which means that if I have the word filter on, I might not even be able to say the word SEGA Dreamcast, without the word SEGA being censored, because apparently it is something rude in some language on the planet. (Saying Nintendo on the other hand, is perfectly fine)

Is it really that weird to ask people to behave a little? I’m not going to report someone for dropping an F-bomb. But if someone is cussing none stop in map chat, just to annoy other players, then good riddens.

It isn’t anything to ask anyone to stop cussing. It is, however, petty to report them because they said a few cuss words that were not directed towards anyone or anything like “kittening hell lol I fell off the cliff”.

Aside from the profanity filter there is the ability to block someone. You also have the ability to submit a ticket if you think the game censored a word that you know isn’t a cuss word and vise versa.

You have plenty of options to counter them, so there is no excuse to report them on the first usage.

I love how people pull the “I don’t have to use the word filter. You shouldn’t be cussing in the first place” excuse. Guess what, you have your own preference which means as much if not less than your opinion. You can’t force anyone to stop cussing. You can’t force anyone to do kitten. You can, however, be the more mature adult and ignore it or block it.

Sword #2 uses shadow step. That’s probably what you are seeing.

Shemsu.8721:

minimal to no stealth usage… why take fleet shadow?

I always switch out utilities (ie Shadow Refuge for <blank>). Fleet Shadow just makes repositioning easier. That’s just how I play though.

Lol I meant to put on Fleet Shadow not Trap Master. Thanks for catching that.

And yeah damage isn’t my full focus, its stacking. I will however try your rune combo for bleed duration and replace knights with Rampager or Rabid if I can find any.

As for working in WvW, it works with a coordinated partner. I kept getting my kitten handed to me by a mesmer from Yak’s Bend though. Regardless, I was having fun for the hour I was in there.

I would rather the flurry activate once the Pistol Whip hits. That’s just me though.

UPDATE: Fixed trait.

After messing around with everything for a few hours, I found out that I like to watch everything bleed to death.

D/D is great for that and I am trying to get a nice non-trad build out of it while sticking by my “minimal to no stealth usage” standard. This is also an attempt to make a viable multipurpose build so be gentile with any opinions and analysis.

This is the build I have so far.

This was developed with help from one of my thief buddies. I wanted an optimal bleed damage:bleed duration:survivability ratio without resorting to any form of traditional build or tactic. Hopefully I managed that (probably not).

Now I couldn’t completely replicate it in HotM but after sparring with him his final synopsis was “I might try caltrops more”. Here is how the matches went:

1. I won. He bled to death. I had about 2k hp left.
2. It was a tie. I was downed. He bled until downed and we both bandaged ourselves.
3. I lost. He figured out how far of a distance I should be kept at and said that he had to be really smart with stealth and timing to actually deal some decent damage. Otherwise its wakitten and run. Regardless he still bled into a downed state.
4. We quit here because we ended up discussing more theory-crafting.

I thought it was fun in PvP. I already tested it in PvE and its WAY better than all the other experimental builds I’ve used. I am going to try it in WvW today with some friends. Wish me luck.

FYI: I only made this topic because watching things die slowly makes me giddy enough to post about it! X3

When will you l2p?

Lafiel.9372:

Let’s get it over 9000!!

Kudos to OP.

I am putting this thread in my siggy.

This thread should be deleted and reposted. 72 pages of people kittening because a thief stabbed them in the kitten causing but_hurt!

Can anet do something about people kittening about this profession in June? They would gain back some respect points if they did.

I am the type of player who likes to do everything I can. Getting something new and flat out acquiring anything is what lets me have any fun in this game. RNG ruined that. Now if I go out and do anything it will start feeling like a grind because the reward in doing everything goes away minutes after I start.

Runescape, which is the grindiest kittening game I know of, rewards me even though I spend 10 hours on one skill because there is always something more I can access every time I level up. The only reason I get on now is to farm for harvesting nodes so I can get my Cooking skill up on my alt and check on my guild.

My guild is also suffering because the current status of GW2 makes bigger guilds with perma-buffs and constant activities more appealing than small, casual/friendly guilds. I am having a problem trying to gather up the cash for [Drinks for the Week!] because my members are poor as kitten. I am scraping for cash as well.

It would be nice if Anet perfected their game before they tried “Transcending” it.

So you want thieves pigeon-holed into boon hate while making 40% of the class even more useless?

Play the thief before you kitten about it.

Because this is what other classes felt like…

I like running better. Keeps me from getting fat.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

“stop qqing l2p”

Yup, another self righteous Thief here to tell people to l2p. Nothing to see here.

Most of the time it is a l2p issue.

You buy it off of the gem store.

I made a Corrupted Sword all by myself! Where is my recognition! >:C

Travlane.5948:

so answer this anyone : why would they purposely program “the same” shadow returns with different coding? it wasnt a bug. it was in the coding. i understand what it says. but if it was a bug….then shadow step would have worked the same way…but it didnt. therefor the coding wasnt the same.

Coding wasn’t the same, but the tooltip =/= the shadow return’s capabilities. It could have been either a tooltip error or and actual bug.

I am Zacchary and I give a Skritt.

Cannot…. process…. comp…. complim…. complai…. ERROR 502 BAD GATEWAY

I’m with the bug fix crowd.

Grandtomatoe.2045:

He may have used Haste so he could have gotten off 3 full Pistol Whips on you in the time it would only take to do 1.5. Pistol Whip appears in the combat log as several attacks per each Pistol Whip.

This.

FYI: I am glad there are some people who actually come here and ask for advice instead of complain and try to convince us that something is OP. +1 for that.

sorrow.2364:

Zacchary.6183:

How about we complain about the thief moving too much, eh? I mean everyone already kittened stealth to death and now that we have something to work with you guys come one here again to complain about it.

If every thief agreed to just stand there and die for you for an entire week would that satisfy you and the crowd you indirectly assotiate with so I don’t have to come on here and see, “OMFGTHIEFKILLDME! NERFIT!!!@#RC”?

For kitten’s sake, this kitten is getting old.

Has anyone here complained about Thief mobility? I don’t think so.
People here are complaining about the fact that Thieves can just mash tkittenutton continuously and steal a whole profession mechaninc and putting it at his advantage.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-too-much-evade-cleanse-and-port/page/2#post2010741

Yeah I dont think so too.

EDIT: If you really wanted to complain about thieves you could have done it on other forums. Thief forums have enough QQ threads so do us a boon and go somewhere else.

How about we complain about the thief moving too much, eh? I mean everyone already kittened stealth to death and now that we have something to work with you guys come one here again to complain about it.

If every thief agreed to just stand there and die for you for an entire week would that satisfy you and the crowd you indirectly assotiate with so I don’t have to come on here and see, “OMFGTHIEFKILLDME! NERFIT!!!@#RC”?

For kitten’s sake, this kitten is getting old.

We should cut down trees with this…

Sunflowers.1729:

Zacchary.6183:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/perfect-imbalance

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Dude what, you didn’t even watch the whole thing.

It says right there at the end “if players have been complaining about it for a long time they are probably right”.

Now, I’m not saying that the game should be balanced for 1v1, but…your video is not even saying the same thing as what you are.

Edit: I’m fine with Thieves being incredibly imbalanced at 1v1 (especially in WvW), but not with people who say that “oh we suck at 1v1” because that’s just untrue.

Did you pay attention to the whole thing? What about the part of Cyclical Imbalance? Do you understand that it takes designers AND players for this to work?

If devs would stop messing around with the classes, it would force everyone to think instead of beg for nerfs/buffs. One specific build for a specific class would become Flave of the Month. People would get tired of getting killed by them and start developing their own build to counter the FotM. That build becomes popular and then people start designing builds for taking down that build and the cycle continues.

I am sorry if you didn’t completely understand it, but having this game balanced on a 1v1 basis is asking for kittenloads of pigeonholing and boredom.

Anubarak.3012:

Zacchary.6183:

There is a difference between damage and damage per second. Yes thief can hit 10k with one strike, but a warrior can out dps a thief over time.

thief can hit 20k with one strike and no…. our single target dps is higher.
You shouldn’t deny just because you are not able to reach it

First off I used 10k as an example. Ad hominem only makes your argument look bad.

Secondly, unless we are specifically talking about single target dps, in which i am also talking about group dps, then yeah I would agree with you even though its a slight margin. If a thief decided to go the high burst route and failed their burst, they could stick around and attempt to finish off their target and risk getting killed in the process or they could run. Either way their DPS will not compare unless they manage do get stacked on might. Getting high numbers still require some luck so they are not that great of an example.

Conditioning is another story. If a thief specs for high condition damage and effectively lays down conditions, then a thief could out DPS anyone. You still have to factor in if the group will remain tight or spread out, condition removal capabilities of the enemy and the skill level of the players. Conditioning is effective for DPS but its still circumstantial. Not a good example either.

DPS is best earned through open fighting where damage is constantly calculated from both sides, not pick-and-choose fighting.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/perfect-imbalance

Now what about the lodestone droprate for Orrian boxes?

I am practically getting nothing now.

So you can loot corpses?

I am fine with interact. I just make sure the thing i want to interact with is targeted.

There is a difference between damage and damage per second. Yes thief can hit 10k with one strike, but a warrior can out dps a thief over time.

Now if only Anet would listen, this game would be well worth any money put into it.

Kaaqeli.5108:

Does this count?

O.o you are literally in the Mists.