@ Teamkiller (and I hope you read everything)
I am not trying to make the thief look either way or the other, I am correcting stupidity. You can still get hit in stealth. Wiki says it. I have tested it. If it doesn’t hit, then there is nothing to mitigate. Evasion ticks = mitigation. Block/protection/toughness-buffing/damage-reduction = mitigation. Flat out avoiding attacks =/= mitigation because there is NOTHING to mitigate.
There are no ticks or indication that anything is being mitigated because there is no interaction between the thief and the projectile’s damage. Therefore, zero mitigation. It can be called “targeting removal” or “damage avoidance” just like using someone as a meat shield vs. non-piercing attacks or sidestrafeing from non-seeking projectiles. The doesn’t change the fact that the guy can still take 100% of the hit.
Example…
I am a thief that uses p/p (secondary). If I am fighting another thief who decides to strafe right and stealth, I am going to switch to p/p, turn right and sweep with Unload. I might not hit him with the full Unload but I still hit him because my bullets are disappearing in mid air. Once he pops out of stealth, 70-80% of the time I will see him and I will concentrate on him until he dies.
Here is a fun bit of information… If I use SoM, I can tell if I am hitting him by just watching my healing ticks. I can also use those and the bullets to determine his position (which leads into aiming my shots or prepping a caltrop dodge). Just look at how much kitten you can do with a crappy signet, trait and weapon setup! None of them are even meant for that!
“But run behind you and backstab” won’t happen as often because if I use the weapons, signet and trait I will find him regardless of transparency. “But godmode!” is not as effective now that I know his game. “But reset!” won’t matter to me because he is my primary target until he dies.
That’s what happens when you use a little imagination and observation. That is the point I am trying to make but for some reason people aren’t seeing that. Stealth does not mitigate/reduce damage. If people would use their kittening imaginations then MAYBE they would increase their chances vs. stealthed targets.
“But DPS is kitten!” Yes, your DPS might not be as great but with imagination you can turn kittenty barrages into AoE, turn AoE into more devastating AoEs, traps > instant attacks, instant attacks > combo, basic attacks > debilitating finishers, etc. Nobody is going to believe me, though, because nobody is going to drop their ego and try them. I certainly have tried weird things and enjoyed every shutdown I have given out.
Lets give another example of this “Imagination”…
Out of the few MMOs I have played, I have always had one build that was either multi- purpose or meant for high single target damage. My build could have been total kitten overall, but I made it effective in more serious situations. One of those situations a good majority of the time tends to be those 1-2 subtle players who are greatly supporting their team without drawing attention.
It may not seem like they are a big problem, but most of the time they are making it hard for my team to kill anything (that’s if they are any good at it). THOSE are the people I kill first. The act of scapegoating them can halt support (if they decide to flee from me) which will allow my team to perform better. There is also that chance that very act could ruin a zerg because the lack of support causes the zerg to go from complacent to staggered/panicked due to their “cushion” ceasing to remain soft.
The fact is, if you use a little imagination you can excel with what you have. Most of the people on here lack that or refuse to use it. Vs. stealthed, yeah, my DPS might go from awesome to kitten but that doesn’t mean that I can’t still damage him. That damage, whether it be tiny or not, could decide a battle.
One of the problems are that people might complain that certain skills limit their ability to function when they never think to get around those skills. Instead, they point fingers and cry “OP”. But interaction is the husband of Karma and Karma is a kitten.
When it comes down to interaction, it takes 2 to tango. It rarely is one person’s fault because 99% of the time there were things both parties could’ve done to alleviate the problem. You limit yourselves more than everyone else. This is a fact of life.
But go ahead and call me incompetant. I am just a strategist that has been doing this kind of crap for 10 years.
