Guild Wars 2

Wanze.8410:

Spartyr.6795:

That’s pretty weak. There was no confirmation dialogue or anything indicating I was just about to ruin a unique currency and there was no way of going back.

Fractals were pretty fun and I don’t mind running them again, but still…

Start reading tooltips:

Double-click to convert to 15 Fractal Relics.

And why click “use” if you want to deposit it?

Seriously. This ^^

Any currency that is able to be deposited automatically goes into your wallet already, so why are you trying to double click it? I feel like this is a good example of why anet felt they needed to create the NPE. No one reads anything or understands simple game mechanics like account wallets.

CptCuddles.8912:

Got to love today’s entitlement society…

While I do agree with this general sentiment, I don’t think it applies here necessarily.

Almost any store will give you the difference in price paid if there is a sale within “x” amount of days of purchasing an item. Not saying anet should do that, but it’s not unheard of.

nekretaal.6485:

Because they dumped millions and millions of quartz all at once during a festival.

If you old charge quartz easily, with crafting, then many people would have crafted tons of exotic weapons with them. At 24 copper each, quartz is by far the cheapest T6 mat.

This would have tanked the markets for t6 mats, exotic weapons, and precursors.

And the cheap quartz would have been burned quickly too, making it very expensive to craft celestial after a few months.

The way it is now, only people who want celestial craft celestial, so celestial is obtainable and the markets for everything else aren’t affected.

This isn’t 2013 anymore, so stop using that tired excuse to defend the time gating on quartz. Take away the time gating and get rid of the account bound status of charged quartz so it can be sold. If the market is the super-most-awesomest-market-ever-created like all the people around here claim it to be, it will spike and settle in a couple days. Problem solved. Your welcome anet.

anzenketh.3759:

What items that are currently soalbound on acquire would you like changed to account bound.

Every item that does that.

The only items that should ever be soulbound are items that you equipped at one point. Other than that, the soulbind mechanic is silly and should be changed across the board. I see the point in having account bound stuff, but soulbinding is just awful.

Essence Snow.3194:

Every single major update has several changes not mentioned in the update notes though.

Yeah, pretty much any change to a dungeon that gets made (not that they do it often) is not in the patch notes.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Not to be harsh, but all evidence points toward needing about 10x more revenue than the OP tossed in to even start being upset about not getting a precursor….it’s a VERY bad investment.

Just out of curiosity, how many Flushes did that equate to?

120ish is my guess with quick in my head math.

The other advice here is good. Even if you can’t get a group, you will be level 80 in no time and won’t have a problem getting into groups. You won’t be “missing out” on anything. The dungeons will always be there and eventually you will get to the point of actually being bored with them, so no rush to burn through them.

Stop whining and let people farm for crying out loud. The rewards in this game are already nerfed to the ground. Is it so bad to let people farm the two spots in the game that are farmable? The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

Also, what Joe said ^^. Where is the toxicity in this case other than a couple people yelling to stop attacking?

How about just move to another instance. There is obviously a ton more people there that want to fail it and farm than the one or two people (including you) that don’t want to farm it.

Sure it’s a problem for the reasons chemiclord mentioned, but it’s easier to avoid this scenario on your own then to come here and complain about it.

Nice necro of your old thread!

It doesn’t matter if people support it or not, it only matters what anet will change and they don’t necessarily take every suggestion from the forums and implement them.

HOLD THE PHONE HERE!

Are you complaining about T6 mat acquisition and the difficulty in which to obtain said materials and then turn around and have the audacity to tell others not to complain about precursor acquisition?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Precursor-crafting/first#post4431558

I’m not even sure what to say to this. Some people……

Are you sure your not in a “lvl 80” only group?

While I agree the system is broken, most of the complaints are from people who just want to play any way they want even if it impinges on others rights to play the way they want. Some people don’t want to party with sub-80 players, especially now with the broken trait system.

Start forming a friends list of like-minded people because these issues are never getting fixed by anet.

While I do agree with you Vayne, you know they are always looking to give less loot rather than more, so I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

Ravion Hawk.4736:

It is bad enough that players sell the final dungeon and ANet won’t do anything about it. It is like they are encouraging it.

Stop whining about dungeon selling and worry about what you are doing rather than what others are doing. You know you can make a group and complete any dungeon that you want with 4 random strangers or friends right? Don’t whine because the people who are good at the game and can solo paths won’t carry you through dungeon runs.

For clarification: I don’t sell paths and never have.

In light of all the changes, maybe they really are trying to discourage as many people from running dungeons and, therefore, this is “working as intended.”

What are you talking about? You realize you are the 1000039349385th person to post one of these ridiculous threads?

First off, “playing the game for real” can be done any way. Stacking and skipping can be considered the “proper” way to do things. Does someone need to post the devs response to stacking and skipping saying they approve? So, considering that, who are you to decide what is the “proper” way to play the game? Or do you mean you want to play the" long, boring, kill everything for absolutely no loot and waste hours per path" way? If so,

Secondly, as is always the case with these threads. MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. It really is that easy.

To your request: If they add a filter for that, we need one to filter out people who join and don’t wear zerk gear when asked or level filters or AP filters, and so on……

Andred.1087:

Keep up the reporting! I’m interested in seeing what someone with a more objective mentality about it has to say about the new experience.

How do you know he is being objective? Because he is on the opposite side of the rage?

99% of the time people will make things seem different than they really are to make it fit their argument. Not saying that is the case here, but that’s how it usually goes in any argument/discussion.

Wow Mystic, way to keep your promise and pay the piper!!

gryph.8734:

cranked.3812:

gryph.8734:

scerevisiae.1972:

Metrics are only good when the right things are measured and the right conclusions drawn. Otherwise they just paint the wrong picture.

Word on the street is that Anet management are overly obsessed with their graphite dashboards and the continued misreading of same is why the game continues its march into mediocrity.

If you can do any better, give it a try. Make a game and see how many people you can get to play it. See if you can put enough financing into it to make it financially viable for one year, let-alone the two that GW2 has already existed for. Go ahead. Try it. I’ll wait.

This is the worst argument I ever see to threads like this. You don’t have to be able to poor hundreds of thousands of dollars into a game and/or be able to design one to see how bad or good a game is. All you have to do is play it. Stop acting like people have to be able to create a better game in order to critique the one they are playing.

How good or bad a game is, that’s your opinion as a player. But you bet your sweet kitten there are objective measures of a game’s success as a business that most of us have not the foggiest clue about. Your denial of that fact makes it no less true. So my challenge stands. If you think you and your buddies can design a better game and make a go of it financially, go right ahead.

I’m not arguing against you or for the OP. However, what I said stands. Telling someone to go spend a million dollars and make a better game is a tired and played out old retort that is silly.

On a side note, you are right that I don’t have access to metrics or the ability to decipher them (at least I have never tried), but as a gamer that has been playing for north of 25 years, I know how to evaluate the quality of a game, whether some of the evaluation would be personal opinion or just facts.

Welcome to the world wide interwebz. Full of keyboard commandos who sit in anonymity and blame everyone else for their shortcomings.

Also, rifle warrior is terrible. Doesn’t matter the situation.

gryph.8734:

scerevisiae.1972:

Metrics are only good when the right things are measured and the right conclusions drawn. Otherwise they just paint the wrong picture.

Word on the street is that Anet management are overly obsessed with their graphite dashboards and the continued misreading of same is why the game continues its march into mediocrity.

If you can do any better, give it a try. Make a game and see how many people you can get to play it. See if you can put enough financing into it to make it financially viable for one year, let-alone the two that GW2 has already existed for. Go ahead. Try it. I’ll wait.

This is the worst argument I ever see to threads like this. You don’t have to be able to poor hundreds of thousands of dollars into a game and/or be able to design one to see how bad or good a game is. All you have to do is play it. Stop acting like people have to be able to create a better game in order to critique the one they are playing.

Wanze.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I agree. I think it’s a mistake for Anet to assume that people know how to add and subtract properly.

^^This.

Its an outrage and wouldnt have happened with Evon on the Council.

Do you guys ever have any gripes with what anet does? I’m concerned that you would defend them even for doing something like banning you.

Obviously, math is easy. The point is, they overhauled the entire interface and didn’t add the most obvious thing when it’s as simple as a subtraction problem. Why wouldn’t they add it? Was it an oversight as asked above? Why not have the one piece of info that would make the most sense? Coding math has got to be the simplest thing to do, right?

p2w when it comes to AP? Really? Get a grip.

Why don’t we wait and see tomorrow and then make QQ threads.

Yonarq.1072:

Is not about greed, I know it looks like… but is more about I dont like the idea of spend 11 months of INSANE grind in a goal and then they bring a new shinny system that allows you to archieve that in a guaranted 5 months (for example). Thats would be unfair.

Anyway, if they change the system or not, is not our decision so…

PD: Again, sorry about me english.

Your not being greedy, your being selfish.

Keeping a poorly designed system just because YOU went through some awful grind is not only incredibly selfish, but crazy and nonsensical. It’s never too late to get rid of awful RNG in any aspect of the game.

For the record, I don’t want any of the fractal skins. So, I am not in it to make it easier on myself.

I think they did disable the recipe around Halloween last year, but can’t remember for sure.

First off, you make the assumption that precursor crafting will be easy. As if anet would make you chop down 4 trees and have one. Precursor crafting will be a long and tedious process.

Secondly, Legendaries were made unimpressive the minute they allowed them to be trade able on the TP and any yahoo with deep pockets could get one.

I don’t know why you guys even bother with these threads.

You very clearly have several people who will defend anything JS or anet does without flinching and then you have some people who just don’t get it at all about the economy.

Ohoni has a point to some degree. Anet could very easily adjust some drop rates or use other methods as mentioned to curb drastic market shocks like for example the spike in iron ore that occurred during the end of the last LS. I think you are over exaggerating a bit Wanze when you act like they would need to “employ dozens of data analysts” to do this type of work. If you guys stop and take a deep breath from all the semantics games that these arguments turn into three posts in, maybe there could be a decent discussion here.

Otherwise just /thread

You need to fill out a support ticket. No one on the forums would be able to help you.

Are you new to the internet?

Seriously though, it’s very easy for people to be kitten’s when sitting in front of a monitor as a nameless, faceless person with no repercussions. It’s easier to ignore people who don’t remember that they themselves were new to the game at one time and were trying different builds to get better rather than to dwell on it.

Also, it’s really all relative as already mentioned. Go play games like CoD and BF. You will see the true meaning of a toxic community, especially on the consoles.

There has already been at least one good idea about changing defiance brought up on the forums. It hasn’t been reworked yet, so doubtful it will change anytime soon.

Behellagh.1468:

I would be happy with a 24 hour median transaction price and volume. But for traders the skill comes from divining information where none is given.

While 24 hour volume and transaction price may calm the inflation/no drop rate crowd a bit, it would give the traders a lot more information to find those markets that aren’t being targeted for flipping a heck of a lot easier. And once those markets collapse to under a 15% gap all that will be left is speculation for traders.

I don’t see anything particularly wrong with that. If anything, that would be a good thing as it would normalize prices and then we would stop getting all those “TP is OP” threads every 15 minutes.

Palador.2170:

cranked.3812:

This does not bode well for the general health of our society when people can’t even figure out what to do in a video game.

I think you’re looking at it wrong. It doesn’t speak well for the video game if it doesn’t do a good job showing you what to do. Especially when it’s trying to do something different than most of the other video games of the same “type”. It may mean that the difference is too odd, or poorly introduced. It doesn’t have to mean that people are idiots.

I disagree. I made it through the game just fine on my own with some small help from wiki/google and this is my first MMO I have ever played. It’s not that hard to just play the game and follow the green arrows every once in a while that direct you to the next personal story step. Sure, not everyone is me, but the problem does fall on to the players. Maybe it’s not necessarily being stupid, but it’s either that or lack of patience or willingness to take an extra step above and beyond not seeing giant neon lights waving you to the next part.

Doubtful that there are any to discover as of right now, as Wanze said, there are no empty greyed out symbols in the bank tabs for minis that are not “found” yet.

Mystic.5934:

they never change anything retroactively unless it’s a problem. usually there is a small reason for it: if they change bolts of silk to require 3 scraps instead of 2, that unfairly gives advantage to someone who refined their material early. in the short-term, it causes a bit of havoc. pretty quickly you forget it even happened. IMO, temporary upsets like that are a small price to pay for a fair and sensible game. This is also why I disagree with all time-gated crafting in this game.

Pretty much this ^^ Although, there is a legitimate reason to time gate things in the short term for market stability, but long term it needs to go after “x” amount of time.

Basically it boils down to anet’s knack for making things random and wildly inconsistent across anything they do. It happens all the time and apparently will never change. Maybe they just have a coin they flip to determine these types of things. Would really be the only logical explanation.

search: “Recipe: keeper’s” in the TP window and check the box that says “Ascended” as the rarity and you will find all the keeper’s recipes

Cormac.3871:

Mystic.5934:

Cormac.3871:

A nice little side effect of time gating gap charged quartz is that grow lamps remain profitable to craft weeks after they were introduced because it is impossible to flood the market for them. I am all for little niches like this that allow crafters to make a profit even if they don’t spot it in the first couple of days.

like I said: “after the first ~month”. It depends on the item, but after it reaches equilibrium, there is no point to it. grow lamps; sure, that can be time-gated right now to cause minimal disruption to the economy. But a month or so from now when it’s price is down to 8g (the cost to make it), there is no longer a reason for it.
also, it’s hilarious for the 1 charged quartz per day AND 1 grow lamp per day. like, the “can only get enough materials to make a grow lamp once every 10 days” wasn’t enough, they had to make double sure their time gating stuck.
another also: it defeats half the purpose of time gating to make the thing you’re making be tradable. If you want 20 grow lamps, you can buy 20 grow lamps right now. it being time-gated doesn’t slow down how quickly you get them. The only thing time-gating slows down is how many materials are consumed to make them, ie: market disruption. so once the market is no longer disrupted, there is no reason for them.

Yes, it will probably get close to equilibrium after a couple of months, but in the interim those of us who are crafters and aren’t in a rush to have the newest thing right away get a nice little earner. You also are overlooking the fact that people may have been charging crystals in the interim.

As far as I’m concerned time gating charged quartz and glow lamps works well for crafters and making them tradeable is a concession to those who want to have it now.

However, I do agree that the situation for celestial gear is not entirely satisfactory. I would personally like to see insignias and inscriptions tradeable.

No one is arguing against glow lamps being time gated. There is a reason for that, as you said and I agree.

However, we are talking about quartz here. There was never a reason from day one to time gate making them. As Mystic pointed out, why not just time gate all armor then, like Zerk gear?

They still don’t need to be sub based to provide quality content, they just choose to put out the LS which many people find to be bad. They put time and effort in and, some times they even get it right. If they did away with the LS and focused more on feature updates (ones we actually need), bug fixes and repeatable content, I think they could still make money and keep the gem store.

I know some people like the LS, but to me that is their biggest mistake. I would even venture to say people who do like it would appreciate other, better content even more.

Cormac.3871:

cranked.3812:

Cormac.3871:

A nice little side effect of time gating gap charged quartz is that grow lamps remain profitable to craft weeks after they were introduced because it is impossible to flood the market for them. I am all for little niches like this that allow crafters to make a profit even if they don’t spot it in the first couple of days.

That would be a cool story, but it doesn’t apply here because celestial stuff isn’t tradable. Maybe if anet would be more consistent instead of pulling things out of a hat to decide how to implement things, stuff like this wouldn’t happen or, at the very least, things would be the same.

I was talking about grow lamps, which is why I mentioned grow lamps and not celestial.

Yep, my bad, didn’t realize that.

My point still stands about celestial. It was time gated for no reason from the get go. They just happen to use it recently for the grow lamps when they could have used something completely different. So, saying it’s gated daily because of grow lamp crafting is disingenuous. It was gated long before that and for NO good reason. It doesn’t fit with the rest of crafting. And to address Wanze’s point of making it so people have to log in daily, I say that isn’t a good reason. Find GOOD ways to make people log in, not chores and inconsistent time gated crafting. They should stay focused on making things consistent, especially with their whole philosophy (especially as of late) to make things “less confusing”.

I mean, seriously, what if people are confused about time gating? /sarcasm

How about ANOTHER thread detailing the things people want?

Oh wait…..

Cormac.3871:

A nice little side effect of time gating gap charged quartz is that grow lamps remain profitable to craft weeks after they were introduced because it is impossible to flood the market for them. I am all for little niches like this that allow crafters to make a profit even if they don’t spot it in the first couple of days.

That would be a cool story, but it doesn’t apply here because celestial stuff isn’t tradable. Maybe if anet would be more consistent instead of pulling things out of a hat to decide how to implement things, stuff like this wouldn’t happen or, at the very least, things would be the same.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

relevant, Colin:

I think that’s a totally fair question, as a veteran user I’d wonder that too – why does making the game better for new users benefit me when I want features that benefit me?

The simple answer is: by ensuring the game foundation is solid for new users, we’ll be in a place after the feature pack where we can do the kind of things that excite both veteran and new users simultaneously, and we’ll be able to retain a much larger percentage of the new or long returning users when they show up. Can’t say anything more than that yet – but that’s the thinking, you don’t need to agree with it, but it’s important to know why the decision was made!

and

Yeah we thought so too. After tens of thousands of usability testers and interviews with players who tried Gw2 and left leading up to China launch both in NA/EU and in China – we learned we were wrong.

Honestly, we were kind of shocked how many systems, downed included a surprising number of players just didn’t understand. For downed, we tried a downed tutorial, building downed into the level 1 tutorial, etc. We found after usability testing with numerous different groups, the best rate of people learning and understanding it came from having it be layered complexity and the solution we went with above. Intuitively that wouldn’t have been my guess either initially, but we found people understood it better this way than all other options we tried.

This same level of testing led to the other changes as well. At the end of the day the biggest take away I’d say is: all of us, especially people who go to a reddit to discuss a game, probably know games (and Gw2) really really well. We have millions of users, and a tiny % of them frequent game forums or reddit. Just because all of us, me included, learned those systems well and thought it was all really easy doesn’t mean we are the norm

I have no time at the moment to post the context/questions/statements, look for yourself: http://www.reddit.com/user/ArenaColin

This is a really interesting post which I think makes real sense.

the tl;dr version from colin: People are way too stupid to figure things out on their own. The only way a large percentage of people can play games is by having large neon signs that tell them or show them exactly what to do.

This does not bode well for the general health of our society when people can’t even figure out what to do in a video game.

Not sure what they were thinking changing to the system that is currently in place, but at least they realize they made a mistake and will hopefully make it better in the September update.

Traits and skill should unlock quickly so you can spend time using them and trying builds as you level. That way you can learn to play your class BEFORE you get to level 80.

Already been brought up a million times and anet does nothing about it. It’s just another thing that doesn’t make any sense and doesn’t fit with the rest of crafting.

Don’t expect a change anytime soon.

Actually the more “broken” thing is being able to buy gold ingots for only a couple silver…….

Bukkebruse.2810:

A mere glance at the top 10 should be more than enough to dismiss the list as worthless.

Wow. I just investigated further and Mass Effect 2 and 3 both made the top 10. Can’t even tell if this list is serious anymore…..

Not to sure that GW2 belongs on the top 100 list of all time.

Not that it matters either way. It’s just another in the long line of lists made by random people on the internet and is just someone’s opinion.

Why are you posting about this again?

Oh that’s right, to try and sway the market.

Well at least you know what the forums are meant to be used for…..

This has been brought up before with no response that I recall.

Doubtful they would release a tier 7 though. Maybe some time in the far future If legendary armor is added to the game. But, more than likely they will just add different crafting items similar to bloodstone and empyreal fragments like they did for ascended.

Not sure if serious…. ?

For those folks who think precursor crafting is going to be some easy and/or cheap route to getting a precursor, think again. Even if it is ever implemented it will be very expensive and grindy. Anything less and it will destroy the current market for precursors.

Reunen.7306:

cranked.3812:

Either group with friends or open the instance yourself and start your own lfg post.

As of the recent most announcements:

A) You’ll need at least 4 friends in the group to prevent 2 other people kicking you B ) It makes no difference whether you open it or not.

I can tell you that these “I got kicked from x dungeon” posts aren’t going to decline and are probably going to go up post September 9th.

Sadly, you are correct about post September 9th, but either way, the OP is posting long before that. At the very least we could have a “calm before the storm”.

The better question is How can we get people to stop posting these threads about being kicked?

The answer, once again, is either group with friends or open the instance yourself and start your own lfg post. Anet doesn’t even need to get involved, you can solve the problem on your own.

No rules or legislation or changing of the game to another kicking format is going to stop people from being kitten’s. This is the internet after all…..