Guild Wars 2

Jamais vu.5284:

Jornophelanthas.1475:

- Just because someone does not share your opinion, does not mean that that person is “one of the very few” who do.

Yes. And just because you dislike the criticism voiced against her story arc doesn’t make you not the minority.

And unless you can prove otherwise, you can’t say that Jornophelanthas is not in the majority either.

Jamais vu.5284:

- People who like what is going on have little reason to go post about it, which is why “I hate X” threads are more common than “I like X” threads.

That is true. People who like something don’t open “I like X” threads. You know what they do? They create fanworks and fanart, they use avatars and sig pictures of them (obviously in other forums), they show off their dedication to the character, or they, gasp, actively cite them as an example of a well written character in in-depth discussions.
And in terms of game content, they actually … discuss it. I see very little of that happening, Most is technical like bugs/rewards or general expressions of disappointment. But I see no strategy talk, no guides, no nothing. (The fast-food, throwaway nature of the individual subforums isn’t exactly conductive to that either)
Where is all of that with Scarlet/the LS? Saying numerous people love her but you can never know that because they don’t go out and express it is like saying that blue unicorns exist in your drawer. You can’t disprove either.

This is just inane. I personally don’t have time to “create fanwork and fanart”, or any of those other things that you claim true fans of content do. I spend my time in game enjoying content, not being fanatical about it. I can also say that those in my guild are the same. We enjoy the LS but are not doing any of those things that you claim devout fans do. I think that is only reserved for over the top fans and fanatics, not people who simply enjoy what the LS brings.

Jamais vu.5284:

- Just because there is a Living Story, players are not forced to participate in it. Just go do your WvW or dungeon runs or guild missions as usual. If something annoys you, don’t expose yourself to it.

You realize that if LS is taken out of the equation, we don’t get any new content in PvE, right?

Exactly. But the person you are quoting is not wrong. Obviously this thread and threads like this prove that everyone will not like all content that is produced. Others will indeed like the content. What content do you propose that everyone, not just you, will like?

Jamais vu.5284:

So please stop proclaiming: “I hate Scarlet, which means that everyone hates Scarlet, which means that Living Story is a failure, which means that I get to tell ArenaNet what to do.” Because even if the first thing is true, none of the others necessarily follow. Basic faulty logic.

It also does not mean that it doesn’t follow. Yours is the faulty logic. The general sentiment is clearly negative. The burden of proof is on you.

It seems like you both have faulty logic here. Someone proclaiming “I hate Scarlet” does not indicate that the person is saying “Everyone hates Scarlet” or the the living story is a failure or that anyone gets to tell ArenaNet what to do. It also doesn’t mean he is necessarily wrong either.

And you have no basis to make a statement like “The general sentiment is clearly negative.” Unless you can poll all players, the burden of proof for saying something like that is on you.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I don’t know. It seems the OP is asking for just what he is complaining about.

Let’s say all the old conflicts are resolved. What to fight then? New enemies just created for something else to fight. We fight them, and they are gone. Replaced by others. Isn’t that what he says the LS does now?

I am confused.

^This. If all the persistent content in standard zones were resolved instead of adding new content with new conflicts, eventually there would just be a world with kittens and rainbows and nothing for players to do.

As some above have said, some of these conflicts were meant to be unresolved. They are the persistent, core content that keeps hearts and instances the same for new and old players. There is a base continuity for keeping certain content static.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

jheryn.8390:

@Hjorje and Yumiko Ishida.

Whoa, whoa, whoa guys!!! I think you two really are saying the same thing. I don’t Yumiko was against you Hjorje. I think he was supporting you. He wasn’t telling you (Hjorje) to keep your opinion to yourself, he was saying that about all the complainers. Re-read his reply to you. I think you will find he is supporting you.

The reason I like both of you is because you actually support the game and are the voice of reason and common sense much of the time. I hate to see a misunderstanding like this.

Though my first post was infracted… really now?

Sorry to hear that Yumiko. I didn’t find what you said wrong at all. I still support you because you are a fan of the game and are often a voice of reason.

@Hjorje and Yumiko Ishida.

Whoa, whoa, whoa guys!!! I think you two really are saying the same thing. I don’t Yumiko was against you Hjorje. I think he was supporting you. He wasn’t telling you (Hjorje) to keep your opinion to yourself, he was saying that about all the complainers. Re-read his reply to you. I think you will find he is supporting you.

The reason I like both of you is because you actually support the game and are the voice of reason and common sense much of the time. I hate to see a misunderstanding like this.

+1 to Yumiko Ishida.3769 and Draknar.5748.

You guys can’t do this to me. It totally skewed my world view when you two wrote posts that are full of common sense. Stop that! Don’t you know this is a forum? LOL

I am honestly amazed that so many are trying to help get finished with the WvW part of the achievement and he is ignoring that fact. It’s part of the achievement. Lamenting that fact will not change it. I’m not a WvW player either, but I knew getting these places was part of getting my legendary, so I just sucked it up and did it. Complaining would not have helped me.

Vayne.8563:

I like Scarlet. And I’d be rather annoyed if I didn’t get to the end of the story that was started. It would be like going through Orr and finding a fast food restaurant where Zhaitan was supposed to be.

^This. That was a great line Vayne.

Lampshade.7569:

Yargesh.4965:

I personally liked Scarlet. She will be leaving shortly. Your demands are a little stamping foot variety aren’t they?

You personally liked her, but if you read a bit more on the forums you will see that people like you are very few.

Well, I agree with you that people who like Scarlet on the forums are few, but that is the nature of forums and life. The complainers and haters always outnumber those who are satisfied. People often complain about what they don’t like, but not many will express gratitude for things they do like.

Lampshade.7569:

What I am saying is, right now, players are still willing to say: It was an experiment, a learning experience, so let’s pretend it never happened.

In four more updates? Not really.

Scarlets story doesn’t need to be “completed” or “fixed”. Quite the opposite – she has to go with as little collateral as possible.

If they try to finish her story, it will cost time, money, players, it will fail and it will kill the very concept of living story just because they tried to fix something that was just too kitten broken.

That is a little overly dramatic. The game and the LS are not going to die or suffer because of four more patches to finish the Scarlet story. Additionally claims like this are made even before you see what content they will be giving us. I equate such statements to “the sky is falling.”

There are many, many articles and threads on the net that speak to the fact that forums only represent a very small amount of the actual people involved with any game (or other reason for a forum.) Furthermore, they are 85-90% populated with those dissatisfied with the forum’s reason for being. It is no different here.

Many of us like the LS. I’m sure that if the majority of players didn’t like it or accept it, the forums would be much more populated by other players rather than the small amount of players that actually compromise GW2’s base.

I have 7 level 80’s and one on the way. I like playing all the professions, but I really have three mains. One of the mains is to do fractals and dungeons, another is for PvE and the final main is for WvW. I do play the others, just not as frequently.

Having said that, I really only need one set of ascended armor. I will work toward that and be happy when it is done. I will slowly work toward more for my other toons. Ascended armor is supposed to be an end game goal, not a simple or cheap thing to acquire. If it was then it would just be a little bit better exotic.

As far as punishing dedicated players, I have seen just as many people who because of work and family are not able to play as much or long as “dedicated players.” They have complained that they are being punished because they cannot get things as fast or as easy as these so-called “dedicated players.” Bottom line is you can’t make everyone happy. As Hjorje said above this game was made to accommodate both casual and more hardcore players.

Hjorje.9453:

daros.3407:

To keep crafting as it is and add more ways how to obtain ascended gear can’t frustrate or angry anyone. People who want to craft will craft and people who want to do it differently will do it differently.
No problem in this.

This I can totally agree with. While there are only two ways in game to get ascended weapons and will be the two ways of getting armor when it is released, I think adding a few other ways to get them wouldn’t be a bad idea. But you have to remember, they didn’t add the other ways right out the gate with the trinkets, so they may have plans in the future.

I have seen ascended weapon boxes come from fractals, temples, and a couple of world bosses. Now I know this isn’t a good way to get them, it is still another way. I think if they add a way to get them with Guild Commendations, Laurals, and Badges of Honor, then I think the complaints about the weapons and armor would stop since it would be more accessible to everyone.

Actually it will make a lot of people angry if they add more ways to get ascended gear.

Certainly they can add more ways to get the gear and then all the people who worked hard and spent a lot of gold to craft their weapons (and soon armor) will be angry that they could have gotten their crafted armor and weapons so much easier and faster. And they will have a right to be angry.

Again, no matter what they do people are going to be angry.

So when they do this, they will not only have made people like daros angry to start out with, but then they risk making those who were fine with it angry later.

As far as ascended trinkets were concerned, you always had to buy them or in one way or another or have them drop in fractals. Crafting them was not an option even though upgrading back pieces in the forge was possible.

daros.3407:

As same as it is hard to please everyone it is easy to avoid making people frustrated/sad/angry…..
They just did it the worst way.

I don’t believe that is true. If they would have done it your way there would be a host of other people who would have been complaining just like you are. So to put it another way, “Someone is always going to be upset at what is done.”

As far as them doing it in the worst way, that is only your opinion. I think the way they did it is great.

daros.3407:

But for armor and weapons i have to farm tons of gold and do many things i dont enjoy. Why they dont just give more possibilities? Why cant i buy all ascended gear for relics and laurels like accessories? Even if it would took 14 days to get one piece like in crafting……….I wouldn’t love ascended gear anyway but at least i would do what i like to get it.

Why they shouldn’t let you get it in the way you enjoy is because they cannot give everyone everything in exactly the way they want it. You cannot please everyone in everything. There are many things in this game I would like to do differently but I don’t complain because things are not done the way I wish they were. I accept things for how they are not how I would like them to be.

daros.3407:

Doing boring stuff (and dont tell me you enjoy everything you have to do for ascended gear) to get to fun stuff is gear gring and it really hurts my gaming experience.

To be honest, I don’t mind leveling my crafting up to 500 and I don’t mind doing the crafting and events it takes to get the mats for the weapons. It is all part of the experience for me. I don’t look at it as grind. I look at it like it as game play. It’s just what I have to do to get what I want. I don’t expect things to just be given to me. I like working toward something and being excited when I finally get it.

I’m sorry it hurts your gaming experience but what I have to do to get what I want enhances my experience. It took much, much more to get my legendary, and not one part of obtaining what I did to get it bothered me at all. Just part of the game and part of my fun.

daros.3407:

Nonsense.
First of all this game was perfect before ascended gear. We had lot of thinks to work on even without it and it was truly not needed if you dont want it. Not like ascended gear that is needed for some concent and gives advantage, even very low but gives.
You played wrong type of game if you wanted gear grind in this game becouse there was non before ascended and it was awesome.

As to this game being perfect before ascended gear, that is a matter of opinion and not one many would share I believe. There were many things that needed to be fixed and I believe ANet has done a great job of doing many of those things.

And really, HOW is ascended armor being in the game hurting you? No one is forcing you to grind for ascended gear. It doesn’t give any real noticeable advantage outside of fractals. I am going to work on getting some for my toon that I use for fractals and feel no desire to get it for any other character.

Other than you, who is pressuring you to grind for ascended gear? What huge advantage does it give to others over you?

Rinbox.2570:

Complaints like these make absolutely no sense to me at all. They have improved on a lot of terrible mechanics from previous MMO’s like they intended to do. However when everyone cries about having something new to work towards it just ends up “being a grind”. WHAT DO YOU THINK AN MMO IS? its a REPETITIVE time sink. you spend time playing these games doing REPETITIVE things. If you want a linear game then your playing the wrong type of game period. Having new gear to work towards is perfectly fine. Thank god this game doesn’t have the Tier armor system like WoW did where every 6 months or so all of your armor and weapons turn to crap when they release something that much better. At least Ascended items have very minimal stat increases and they are fully accessible to every single player if you so chose to make it. The best armor in other games like WoW is only available to the absolute top tier players in some cases

+1 to you Rinbox. Unless they come up with a way to make your personal story line infinite, then the game is just as you said, repetitive.

The problem I see is that many people will not accept the game as it is given and play it and enjoy it for what it is. When I don’t like something, I either accept those things that I do not like as part of what is or I move on.

I think it is OK, to express your dislike of something, but do it and let it go.

Many of those I see on these boards complaining about grinding must be lying because they are constantly repeating themselves over and over in any thread they can about how much grind sucks. If all those repetitious posts aren’t grind, then I don’t know what is. LOL

Hjorje.9453:

narrock.6890:

Hjorje.9453:

These topics are getting old. There is nothing to discuss. If you wanted a discussion it should have happened months ago not now on the verge of releasing.

this topic started that many months ago and we are still mad that says something. so no we wont accept blindly what could possibly the worst grind/money sink in mmo history

Seriously, you just came with worst grind/money sink in mmo history. Really? Man, you must not have played very many mmo’s then. I started with Everquest and then Dark Age of Camelot. Those games had a grind. Even though getting to 500 on crafting is tedious, it no way compares to the time and money spent leveling crafting in DAoC. on item could take like 3 or 4 minutes for the bar to go across and then you still had the chance to fail. I currently have one crafting profession at 500, and that is because I luckily had the mats for it available to level it up. I am slowly working my others up. In no way does it compare to other mmo’s out there.

I can understand some complaints, but what you just said is plain dumb. Man

^This.

It cracks me up when people use terms like “worst in history” or “most awful thing ever”. Especially when 1. Isn’t true, and 2. Has no basis.

I see in Horje’s original post that he says that at this point, these arguments are ridiculous and I have to agree. Ascended items are here and are not going away. Why beat a dead horse? If you have problems with things not implemented yet, speak out. To keep complaining about things that are implemented and permanent just seems silly.

Paponzi.1637:

…finally leaving all the whining about ascended gear behind. In few days all of the ascended equipment will be out, and in few weeks this debate will finally start to slow down and disappear for good.
I’m sure people will find something else to complain about, but for now i wish they released all the ascended equip at once, so that people didn’t feel like needing to complain and repeat themselves every few months.

^This.

coglin.1867:

Personally i feel guild halls are a waste of time and space, as do very very many players. Just because some players ask for it doesn’t mean it is desired as a time investment by the entire community. Players have asked for all kinds of things since launch, that doesn’t mean most of us want them to waste resources on them because of the occasion thread of very few of the over all player base asking for it.

Well, I don’t think that anyone can speak as to how many players want this or that. Although you try to imply by your wording that only a small number of people want guild halls and the vast majority do not, you really have no idea how many do, do not, or don’t care about guild halls.

What I know from the people that I play with and know, guildies and not, most want guild halls. I know this isn’t true for all sectors of GW2, but in my circle it is.

So when you say that “Just because some players ask for it doesn’t mean it is desired as a time investment by the entire community.” you truly don’t know if halls are desired by the majority of the entire community or not just as you do not know that it is only “some” players asking for them.

Nightwolf.6052:

chemiclord.3978:

Listening =/= Do what we say.

Frankly, a majority of fan ideas are either 1) Terrible, 2) Poorly thought out, or 3) Both.

and 4) better than actually is on game

Um… …no. I for the most part, I really enjoy the ideas they have. I wish there was a lot more lore things from GW1, but that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the current stuff. so “better than actually is on game” is just an opinion not a fact.

To the OP, people can complain about Scarlet and other things all they want but there are many who like Scarlet and her story and game content was completed way before it was released. They are not going to halt months of progress because some people may not like it. That would be financially idiotic for them.

Also, as some have said above, they do listen to their players. No matter what they do there will be those who like what they do and those that hate it. They will never please everyone. Ever. So listening isn’t just listening to those who complain, it is also listening to those that enjoy what they do.

Add to that they have implemented the CDI for us. How many companies do that? Not many. I think they are doing a great job.

Congrats on your legendary!

For mine, I actually got a different precursor (The Chosen) than the one I wanted (Storm). So I sold the shield and bought Storm.

Other than that the only other thing I purchased on the BLT was was 60ish Powerful Bloods and 30 some Elaborate Totems.

Like you, I enjoyed the journey toward my legendary. I did grind for some of it at times, but it was because I wanted to. It didn’t feel like work.

I just got Rodgort’s Flame out of the toilet and will work slowly toward Rodgort. It may take years, but that is OK, it will be fun when I finally get it.

Ravenmoon.5318:

jheryn.8390:

Jordo.5913:

I planned on getting T3 Human for my elementalist human upon reaching level 80, but now i’m going to get it at half the price, plus it’ll even look cooler with the fire on it!

Don’t ruin this for me!

So for all the people who worked hard and paid full price for that armor, they shouldn’t complain because it will ruin it for you? Wow… Just… Wow.

If you buy 1kg of bananas for 20 euro today just to see it in promotion tomorrow in half the price, will you boycott the supermarket, lol

So many delusional people on this board …

It isn’t just about the cost and your banana analogy is just inane.

It is the fact that each culture is to have it’s exclusive armor and now it can be as common as any other armor. And the high cost in-game of T3 armor was supposed to be an end game factor. Unlike your stupid banana analogy, or the equally unrelated iphone one, the in-game cost and availability was supposed to be a factor for specific characters and for those who wanted to acquire them as a goal. So many people complain about not having enough skins available to them on these forums that is is overwhelming. This was one of those skins ANet provided to work toward. Now there is no need to work for it or cultural exclusivity it was supposed to have. Buying this armor was something special for human characters as all cultural armor is to each race.

Furthermore the ‘banana’ and ‘iphone’ comparisons don’t take into the fact that all people of all cultures, ethnic backgrounds, income levels, and races have easy access to both of those things. It doesn’t take into fact that neither are exclusive to certain people as cultural armor is to the Tyrian races.

And where did I say or even suggest anything about boycotting anything? Nowhere. Again, the banana comparison = attempt at being insightful and failing.

So if you thought you were being clever at my expense and those who are upset about this: epic fail.

Jordo.5913:

I planned on getting T3 Human for my elementalist human upon reaching level 80, but now i’m going to get it at half the price, plus it’ll even look cooler with the fire on it!

Don’t ruin this for me!

So for all the people who worked hard and paid full price for that armor, they shouldn’t complain because it will ruin it for you? Wow… Just… Wow.

Nike.2631:

That’s just untrue. A WvW Dev is not going to spend time posting responses to a Living Story thread for example. In fact the fewer topics going, the less (total number of) Dev responses we’re likely to see during that time frame.

At least in Chris’ case this isn’t true. He made mention that he would like to participate in all the CDI areas (WvW, PvP, and PvE). This may put a tax on his thorough participation in any one thread. That is for him to decide, of course, but still could be burdensome at least for him.

Even having said that, my personal preference would be to have a CDI thread for each area going at once. I would like to see the development teams, as Nike said, focus on their particular areas.

There are a myriad of topics to be discussed in each area and I would like to see as many topics as possible discussed without interruption.

I am one of the PvE players who has no interest in PvP and little interest in WvW. So I would like to see the CDI PvE thread constantly flowing.

Swagger.1459:

I understand, but that is not the point of the exercise. i’m looking for hypothetical solutions that are reasonable and would benefit both anet and players. put all your thoughts and feelings aside for now, and place yourself in a position where you had to/were forced/must create a gear progression system that made all parties involved happy/happier/less sad/smile more often when they logged in…

I’ll think about it but will not promise I’ll do it. The problem with posting something like that is that you get eaten alive by people who don’t like what you say. Not sure I want to subject myself to that.

Swagger.1459:

hi jheryn, if you were hired today to design a gearing up system that made everyone happy, what would it look like?

No one, especially me, would be hired to do that because it is impossible. There isn’t any system that will make everyone happy. No matter what I or anyone else would do, there will be people complaining about they way it is.

I have seen changes actually happen that people/posters have wanted in this game and others that seem to be what everyone is is screaming for. As soon as those changes are done a whole fresh group of people who hate the changes emerge. Heck, even many of those clamoring for the change start hating on the change because it wasn’t good enough for them.

You are never going to make everyone happy. It is pointless to try. For myself, I either accept changes as they come or do what I can to change the changes.

stof.9341:

That’s not denial, that’s called disagreeing with the evolution of a game and a franchise I loved. That’s not unhealthy, that’s standing up for me and not following the sheeps down the standard treadmill MMO genre.

In fact, I do believe it’s more healthy to have a no statistics evolution MMO past the tutorial part. GW2 having lost it’s way just means I’m not giving them any more money nor playing their product until they fix that mistake.

I think you are completely missing the point. Change happened. It is there. It is permanent for now. It exists. You don’t have to like it and disagree with it all you want, but pretending it isn’t a reality is denial.

Hate it all you want, that is your prerogative. Do and say everything you can to change things and I will even support you. We were talking about change as a concept and not accepting it as being unhealthy. Nowhere did I say that disagreeing with the change was unhealthy. Nowhere did I say that a no statistics evolution MMO past the tutorial was unhealthy. Denying that change happens is unhealthy. I am not sure where you picked up what you said above from our conversation.

Gregori.5807:

Yes, not accepting change is unhealthy. However, that does not mean I can’t wish things had been as promised and mourn the loss of the game I had bought.

I am not one to say “they broke the Manifesto, I leaving the game!!” However, I can say that I refuse the gear treadmill (that means no ascended or further), play with people who likewise refuse the gear treadmill (or do not mind that I am), and choose to not give them any more money unless things change to something I prefer.

Certainly the game will continue to change. It will either go in a direction I cannot stand or I will find a game I think I would prefer, at which time I will simply leave, or it will go somewhere I like, at which time Anet will get my money again.

I agree with you about wishing for something different or even trying to change things yet again. That is great. My only point is that denying change when it is reality is unhealthy. Some like the poster above are trying to twist what I say into something more. Again, like change or not; disagree with changes or not; but don’t deny change when it happens. No one is saying you have to like it.

BeoErgon.9107:

Well, there are lots of player grinding for Legendaries that were mere skins just not long ago…
And don’t forget the OP quoted comments : long term goals were supposed to be just that: skins.
Me and as far as I can see many in the forums liked this game just as it was: no grind for stats.

Ok, I will give you that. Some people actually would like to grind for skins just as I don’t mind grinding for ascended equipment. Also, I will give you that many in the forums don’t like the grinding for ascended equipment. Having said both of those things, forum posters only represent a small amount of any game’s population. A good majority of forum posters don’t post positive posts, they come to air their disgruntlement. People who are happy with the way things are generally don’t come on to the forums to say “I like things the way they are” because they expect them to be that way. There are plenty of articles on the net that talk about just that. Forums are a place used by most to complain not praise.

So I agree that many would grind for skins. I’m not one of them which is also fine. I have no problem grinding for stats and I accept that you do have a problem with it. I don’t accept that people who post on the forums represent the majority of players in a game, but rather a small vocal minority.

1. The beauty of the world and artistry that made it that way. Divinity’s Reach and Hoelbrak are place I like to go just to look around.
2. B2P would have been #1 and was until I saw the world of Tyria.
3. They huge diversity of content that allows you to play as you like not as the game makes you play.
4. The constant new content, although I would prefer more permanent content than temporary.
5. Non competitive open PvE world which promotes player cooperation.

BeoErgon.9107:

Hjorje.9453:

BeoErgon.9107:

Can’t really see why anyone is defending the Ascended gear… Seriously.
Ascended should only have been skins. Period.

As far as I know no one has come to the forums telling “Great! Ascended gear was exactly what I was looking for in this game and it was lacking!”

Really… I would like someone to come and tell us this and explain because I really can’t see.
- Either you want somethign to grind in which case skins would have worked just fine
- Either you want better stats… But why? Every one person defending the ascended gear is telling that ascended is not needed. So why better stats?

Really can’t understand.

Actually I will say that, ascended added something to the game that was lacking for me. When I started playing I thought Exotic was going to be that for me, but it was too easy to acquire them. I like something to work for. Ascended gives me that. Also I don’t see it as a grind. I am not a players that needs everything right now. I play the way I play and the items just come.

I could have 4 or 5 ascended weapons right now if I was to go and grind for them, but that takes away from playing the way I want. I run dungeons, I do world bosses when I feel like it. Dragonite Ore is the main thing I am always lacking to complete my weapons. But I don’t enjoy running world bosses all the time so I get it when I get it. But I always have something to work towards, something I know my time has earned. It is fun for me this way.

Fine with having a long term goal… But why the increase of stats? Legendaries were exotics with skins too and people loved to grind for them.
I really want to know if you think that the increase of stats that the Ascende gears introduces is needed and why?

And please, not wanting them right here right now does not mean you don’t have to grind for them… Just counting the quantity of mats you need for leveling up a craft, many of those account bound, means that like it or not, slow or fast, you have to grind those mats (that is a grind for me: repetitive tasks to obtain more and more of the same account bound mats.)

You enter in the first idea I had : you wanted something long to obtain, a big goal. But why the increase in stats? That is what I don’t get.

I agree with Hjorje on this one. And I think the answer to your question is another question. “Who would grind or have a long term goal of getting a weapon or armor that are equal to the exotics we can already easily obtain?” I sure wouldn’t work that hard for a mere skin.

stof.9341:

jheryn.8390:

I appreciate your views. And I totally get what you are saying, but I didn’t say the situation was unhealthy, I said that not accepting change was unhealthy.

Why would it be healthy to accept changes for the worse? Of course it’s a matter of opinion in the end. Still …

I actually think it would stof. If something changes and you don’t accept it, that is called denial. That isn’t healthy! LOL

Of course, there is nothing wrong with doing what you can to reverse or change what has been changed for the worse. We don’t have to like change, but we do have to accept that it happens. What we do with it after that is up to us.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Each thread has an owner, I am the owner of the PVE thread. My plan is to work with each of the owners to help them grow to better handle the topics moving forward. I want the individual owners themselves to reply and connect in a meaningful and relevant manner, thus it is disingenuous for me to go in and own another thread (never mind taking into account the time that would eat up for me). However this does not preclude me from working with the guys and girls to build a better path to success in this initiative.

Thanks for clarifying that you are not the owner of each thread. It is good to know you do not have to manage all of them.

One question after looking at this post from you and other posts on the thread, does this mean that you will have a CDI question in each area (PvP, WvW, and PvE) going on at the same time or just one at any given time. Or am I reading this wrong and nothing about that has been decided yet?

And dude!!! Huge props for handling some of the beating you get here. It is pure class the way you compose yourself on the thread.

Astralporing.1957:

jheryn.8390:

Change will always happen. Not accepting that fact, I believe, is unhealthy.

Giving an explanation behind a major change, outlining things the devs want to achieve with it, and then not even trying to follow in that direction is a problem, however.

Especially if at the same time you keep claiming that “nothing has really changed” and that “you are still following original desingn goals completely”.

The situation is not unhealthy because the game follows in a direction i dislike (though that is definitely something that worries me personally). The situation is unhealthy because not only we don’t really know what direction devs want to go, but also we can’t even be sure that devs know where they are going.

I appreciate your views. And I totally get what you are saying, but I didn’t say the situation was unhealthy, I said that not accepting change was unhealthy. I agree that we don’t know what direction things are going and I don’t agree that that is unhealthy. I really don’t want to know what is up next. I like being surprised.

Not only that, with the game just over a year old, things are in their infancy. They are trying new things with this game. Some they will get right and some will suck. Overall, I love the game and am willing to accept that whatever changes they make or whatever they said that may seem to contradict what they actually do, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because overall the game is a lot of fun for me.

I read feedback from devs and they seem to be just as passionate about the game as we are. I am certainly not going to poke sticks at them when I feel they are doing the best they can to make this a great game.

Things change. That includes development statements of any kind for any game, project or anything else.

Manifestos can change as well. Sometimes things just go in a different direction.

Perception is also a contributing factor. What one person perceives as true may not be true for another.

Looking at things objectively, I understand why many of you feel as you do thinking that the original statements by developers were not adhered to. When they said those things I am certain they meant to do them. We will never know why or how things changed or even if they did.

Addressing grind, I personally don’t see where grind is necessary to play this game. There are many things anyone can do without having to grind for anything.

There are weapons and armor and achievements that will absolutely require some grinding, but no one has to do these things in order to play the game.

As someone said above, a certain amount of time sinks (grind) are necessary for any game to keep going. Also, there are those people out there, myself included, that enjoy working toward a goal. I don’t mind farming mats because I am working toward a goal. I know that isn’t for everyone, but for some it is great. We don’t look at it as grind, we look at it as a means to an end. So grind to some may not be grind to others. Again, it is a perspective thing.

Concerning statements about the game, I don’t see much of what was in the original statements of the dev and the manifesto as being wrong or misleading. I think this comes from my perception of what was said and my acceptance of change.

Change will always happen. Not accepting that fact, I believe, is unhealthy.

Another thing they could do is maybe have certain bosses not just appear in one zone and in the same place. Why can’t the MAW or Shatterer event happen in any zone that is relevant to them. Why is the Shatterer restricted to Blazeridge. Is he blocked from Fireheart Rise. After the Shaman is defeated in Wayfarer’s, why not try it in Frostgorge? Spread the love! LOL

Draknar.5748:

jheryn.8390:

I don’t know if anyone has ever suggested this or not, but in GW1 there were outposts in every zone and cities in many of them. We also had “city like” areas that were challenge/competitive areas like Fort Aspenwood and Remains of Sahlahja.

You didn’t always have to port back to one of the BIG cities to do most things like we do now. I know most of the content was instanced in GW1, but if we had some outposts in those areas, maybe it would encourage more people to stay in those zones.

I believe almost every zone has an outpost like you are describing where you can access TP, bank, crafting, etc. I can’t say every zone for sure, but I know a lot do because I’m always pleasantly surprised when I come up on one and I can do my organizing without having to go to LA or The Grove (best capitol, there is no debate, Sylvari are superior to everyone)

You are right, and I didn’t explain myself very well. I am talking about a place that you don’t have to worry about events popping around you or enemies popping in like you would in Hoelbrak, LA, or DR. A place that is in the zone but not affected by it. It would have portals to the zone like the big cities do.

I think if rewards were better at the ending big event if you participated in the pre-events more people would do them.

I don’t know if anyone has ever suggested this or not, but in GW1 there were outposts in every zone and cities in many of them. We also had “city like” areas that were challenge/competitive areas like Fort Aspenwood and Remains of Sahlahja.

You didn’t always have to port back to one of the BIG cities to do most things like we do now. I know most of the content was instanced in GW1, but if we had some outposts in those areas, maybe it would encourage more people to stay in those zones.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

I don’t want to derail the thread but i would also like to know how everyone would like the next topics to be chosen. Simply would you like to vote again or would you like us to pick the second topics on the respective lists?

Chris

I don’t think it derails the thread at all. It is on topic and helps CDI move forward.

IMO I would like ANet to pick the topic. All of you see the forums and get the emails from players. I am sure you know which topics are the largest hot spots for the GW2 community and should pick from those.

I believe that a good majority of the negative posts here are not constructive but complaining. It is hard to wade through all of the negativity particularly since much of it is off topic. Many of the ones that are on topic are hateful and not constructive.

I would like to ask that a moderator get us back on topic or focus the topic for further discussion.

I agree with Chris in that subjects of discussion should be narrower and more focused. Maybe then threads would go off topic much less.

Have a set posting limit for the thread that is adhered to so we can move to new topics of discussion.

When devs respond, I would like them to direct flow of discussion in several ways. Help to keep on-topic. Ask questions of posters that will further clarify topic items not being discussed that should be. Provide overall general feedback on previous posts so the same posts are not duplicated repeatedly.

I would also like to see the different world CDI discussions held in their proper forums. WvWvW, PvP, and PvE. This would also help to further direct topic flow and focus in a more concise way.

I agree OP. It took me forever to craft mine. Holy cow it was long and grindy. I won’t be doing that again any time in the foreseeable future. 25 AP seems almost a joke for what you have to do to make even one.

The title for this achievement should be, “Needs Therapy Now But Can’t Afford It”. Well for those that didn’t just buy one anyway.

I am actually going to keep my multiples of the tools I bought. I don’t like having to switch stuff between toons all the time. It’s nice to have them on the two or three characters I play at any given time.

Elothar.4382:

Yes, yes, I know that with account bound tools I can move them around…but for me, the convenience of just logging on and playing and then logging off without depositing my tools in the bank is trumps the relatively small amount of money I spend on the one-time purchase. Certainly others will feel differently…as they have different preferences and circumstances. This just works for me.

^This.

If teams are separate those creating content and those looking at coding problems, then I don’t see why both things can’t happen on a normal 2 week update. I don’t believe they have to be mutually exclusive, do they?

I really do appreciate all the quality of life things they have implemented, but I will admit that many bugs that have existed since the beginning of the game still persist.

The Hint Completion is one of them. I have been sitting at 82/83 for over seven months because the “FINISH HIM!” in WvW and PvP is bugged. I’ve ‘finished’ many other players and still no achievement. I know that is a small thing, but there are many such examples.

I think it would indeed be nice if some more concentration of known, long-standing bugs were given a little priority. That isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate the things that have been done.

I try to tailor my characters to what I think fits their race and profession well. I also gear their looks so that they aesthetically pleasing to my eye. They don’t have to have movie star looks, but looks that are cool to me.

For example, I like going against convention so I have a Sylvari Necro and Warrior. The warrior is all blues/whites/purples. The Necro is all greens/whites. I made the necro green because I wanted green to figure into his clothing and everything. Kind of poisonous. The warrior is blue because I don’t see many of them around and I like Avatar.

Bottom line, character creation is just personal preferences.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Some of you posted about your favorite releases and least favorite. It would be really cool if you have the time to post your single favorite and least favorite and the reasons why for each. This would help a lot and I will share my learning with you etc. from the posts.

Easily the Bazaar of the Four Winds is my favorite. The area and the look of the ship were just incredible. The artwork and the scenery associated with the ship were breathtaking. There were actual puzzles to solve rather than just things to kill. It introduced the best mini game you have given us. Sanctum Sprint was not only a race but it involved skill and direction decisions and amazingly beautiful scenery in the instance.

Just to throw this in: For sheer fun and delight, Winter’s Day and Halloween 2012 were the most fun! The decorative changes to LA were awesome for both as well. Halloween 2013 not so much since you ganked the dungeon Ascent to Madness. The Blood Prince was a cool addition, but his instances didn’t hold a candle to the Ascent.

My least favorite, without even thinking about it, is the Super Adventure Box and it’s sequel. It feels so completely out of place and cheapens the fantasy/magical feel of the game. I grew up playing those type of games and I now play games like GW1 and 2 because of the beauty and more realistic ‘feel’. It doesn’t make me reminiscent, it makes me cringe.

Also when I see the pixelated minis and worse, the 1980’s video game sounds and music, it completely throws me out of my immersion in the game. I don’t like it at all.

I actually love the “concept” of the living world as it was presented to us, but it doesn’t feel as if the world is living and changing/growing. It feels like going to work actually. You go to work and you have different situations and projects, but it is still the same job. Not much changes about what most people do. This is how the LS feels to me. There is no permanent impact on the world, just more of the same with different players.

My personal top 10 things I would like to see in the LS are :

1. Permanent content introduced or permanent changes in landscape, people and creatures.
2. Content that impacts and develops existing content. Many have mentioned more with the dragons. I think it could be anything existing or from GW1. Maybe new NPC’s are introduced into the orders or we get to see other area’s of the different orders bases. Maybe the Mursaat make an appearance and it affects Orr in some way. Maybe risen from Droknar’s Forge start to appear in the water. Maybe another stone dwarf NPC can be introduced. Maybe the grove suffers a fire in part of the city and we can watch it progressively heal like any vegetative area would. Maybe address the Charr/Human uneasiness that still exists.
3. I would like to see lore from GW1 be introduced into the living story and have it be a significant impact upon current lore.
4. I would really like to see maybe an extended break from the LS in order to bring an expansion size LS content into the game. I miss the epic amount of places, things and creatures to discover and not be given to me piece meal.
5. New maps.
6. Explanations for things that are missing from GW1. Gargoyles, Hydra, weapon skins, etc.
7. Story lines that feel significant. Scarlet is funny and BSC, but she doesn’t feel threatening. More annoying than anything. The story lines just don’t feel as rich in GW2. The living story has done nothing to remedy that IMO.
8. New skills and traits. If the world is really evolving through the LS, shouldn’t those thing grow and expand as well?
9. Personal story progression.
10. I am sorry for repeating but most importantly, permanent content. I hate seeing the wonderful things you people work so kitten and that we really DO enjoy being taken away. The Molten Dungeon for example.

I actually really enjoyed leveling my alts. My goal when I first started playing GW2 was to have a level 80 in each class. After my sixth level 80, I grew bored with the grind.

That really sucked for me because I saved my necro for one of the last two. I saved it because I thought it would be so much fun to play. I like it, but have hated the grind to get it to 80.

Thank goodness for the Labyrinth. I have leveled it from 34 to 54 just playing a little each night and for quite a bit last Saturday. I hope to get it to at least 70 by the time the weekend is over!

My last class is thief so I really don’t care if I get him to 80 at this point or not. I’m not much of a WvWvW person.

Engi – Ability to summon all turrets to his/her current location like Ritualist could with his/her spirits. Because the Engineer was supposed to be the new Ritualist, right?

As an aside, one change to all light armor classes would be that at least half the the armor they have available doesn’t look like a dress instead of the current 95% that does look like they are wearing a dress.

Thanks to everyone who donated and/or showed up to participate!

+1 Mel.8769 and +1 Lonesamurai.4852

That is awesome that you did that Lonesamurai! I hope they listen to you.