Guild Wars 2

DrWhom.3105:

The mental gymnastics in these GvG threads are great. Seriously, GvG is a conspiracy to trade WXP? Have you people never ridden the karma train? It’s like a WXP IV. A GvG, on the other hand, involves a lot of waiting around and is generally not an efficient way of acquiring kills, WXP, or anything else. As anyone who has seen or played in one would know.

But no, it’s all an evil conspiracy of exploiters, sticking it to the working man on his arrow cart. Who will speak for the PPT obsessed siege warrior? His needs have been ignored for too long!

yeah very true
is it not trading karma/wxp when a dominating server allows the weaker servers to recap stuff and hen storms in to retake it so they get their wxp?that happens too. but gvg is sooo much wxp trading right. c’mon guys u have all been part of the karma trains.
my guild doesent do gvg and we are out there to fight for our server every day, but i think gvg is a great thing and also great training for the guilds and all the guilds in wvw that do gvg, are also part of the rest of wvw and cap and defend and all that.

this is a game and if there is guilds that wanna fight each other, why not? if they come out with rules like that we are not allowed to gvg and because anet staff thinks they can ruin our game experience, fine. we dont need to play your game then! there is many others out there that actually are fun!

lordkrall.7241:

Aberrant.6749:

Trade
noun

: the activity or process of buying, selling, or exchanging goods or services
Nope

Not trading.

It’s far closer to robbery.

Rob·bery
noun

: the crime of stealing money or property : the crime of robbing a person or place

They have something the other side wants and they are taking it by force.

Robbing players of their lives in WvW is fair game.

Interesting how several of the definition of trade suddenly disappear before I managed to quote your post.

To make an exchange of one thing for another
To give in exchange for something else
To pass back and forth

These three are also definitions of trading. And I would say all those three fits GvG quite well.

dude, what is your problem.we do not exchange anything appart from fighting. and no we are not going in there to die, we go in there to win.
u have no point in this at all and sorry but if u think wvw is only about fights that have to do with keep and tower capping, sorry then all the roamers must be wrong too then. and no more duels and no more thieves allowed to gank anyone, because it has no point right? robbbery and trading is so far off that i wanna facepalm over and over, but oh well apparently thats bad for your health….

lordkrall.7241:

Aberrant.6749:

No… if nothing is being sold, it’s not selling. No agreement was made to give X kills to either side. Nothing is being traded.

And yet it is more or less: “We meet you guys here at that time, with no outside interference, and then we fight until one side is dead!”.
How is that not organizing kill-trading?

it is not kill trading it is a fight between 2 guilds. kill trading is when u keep running into your deth so they can get badges and ppt

lordkrall.7241:

Well, even if I don’t really agree with the way he did it, he does have a point.
Technically GvG could be seen as breaking the ToS via “kill-selling”.

gvg is not selling kills at all. it is a legitimate fight between 2 guilds! if they dont want that then dueling should be banned too. they were advertising this game as play the way u want. so we want gvg and an anet dude destroys it and is even arrogant like that. woah!

so screwed up and unprofessional. one of anets big thing is that they stated that u can play the game u want. this anet guy clearly does not want people to have fun. btw anet:it is called guild wars, not esport, not spvp, not duel wars, not siege wars its called GUILD wars!

Doctor Feelgood.3214:

Banzie.5248:

And last but not lease, I know a few people from servers in this match up wanted to see this as well.

http://imgur.com/a/mhYp4

Proof of Anet dev attempting to stop a GvG.

kittened up (if true, but I can’t see someone going so far out of their way to fake this), everyone reading this should save this album and make sure it gets out.

yeah that is totally screwed up. so what does anet want us to play?stupid spvp mode?we joined gw2 wvw for a reason. man cant wait for cu!

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s just going to get worse for the leagues. Just imagine how fun it will be for #12 to “test their skill” against #1.

yeah just had sor for a week and they have a 60 man zerg available pretty much 24/7. on reset they had one monsterblob on every map. so yeah db and fa had no chance vs such a massive coverage at all.

ty guys for the great fights. we had fun and ty for a fun drinking night as always. if u see some random acting fa members tonight …..its probably because its avtr drinking night.
:-)

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just so you guys know:

We’re not entirely opposed to toning down auto attack damage in PvP (we could split some of the skills and leave PvE/WvW where they are, for instance). I think it’d be a great way to add more importance to the main bar skills, and, in fact, is something we used to have before ship.

There was a time in balance when #1 skills across the board were said to be “too ineffective” by many players to be used. So we made an effort to bump them up and make them more impact-full on the game, so that they didn’t feel like a waste of the #1 slot. There was also a time when most skills had higher recharges, and longer activation times/aftercasts.

From much player feedback, we found that by lowering recharges and cast times, the game FELT better for the person using skills. But, as you guys have said, sometimes it feels like you aren’t punishing by making someone waste a long-cooldown skill, or you aren’t rewarded for interrupting a powerful skill because it comes back too quickly.

Just wanted to say that we agree with you guys, but we have to balance the risk/rewards vs. how good the game feels to pay.

Thanks for all the great ideas! We’re definitely listening.

Could you please not unbalance WVW any further - it is a pvp game mode and should be a more balanced than it currently is… do you guys realize how insane warrior regen is with the new runes, food and sentinel gear. Sorry don’t mean to get off topic, just getting more and more frustrated by how you seek to balance pvp yet completely ignore wvw balance and let things toned down in pvp exist in wvw in their unbalanced state… (please don’t try to deny that… perplexity runes and 3s revealed are more than enough proof…).

On topic, this sort of brings up a problem with thieves. Most of the complains about thieves such as black power-HS spam, sword 2/3 spam, CnD spam, unload spam (ok maybe now that one :P) is due to the lack of CD’s and how easy it can be to migrate risk when you have a ‘resource’ cost associated with skills instead of balancing each individually. I don’t think that can be fixed with the current init system… but does need to be considered…

Another point is how you changed mesmers to increase most CD’s by 20% outside of full shatter builds – as a result the class feels a lot more ‘sluggish’ in terms of mobility and movement than it used to… though if you use a shatter built it has no effect, which is really imbalanced…

Regarding the first point… isn’t a lot of this due to the nature of the meta over the last few months… though I really question how much anet is actually going to tone down based on the details they have provided. The idea of risk vs reward really seems to have been lost as the game progressed.

I really miss seeing high level play where you could distinguish that high skill, not just people being carried by over the top mechanics and builds.

very very much agree with you. u nerfed mesmers confusion to spvp level, whereas it needed a nerf, but nowhere near spvp level at all. u took away the only viable aoe source we had in wvw and now u never buff us again as we are good duelists. wvw is not based on duels, its group fights.

mesmer confusion is now a around 35% of this

now u keep buffing warriors and we are already at this

and this is the current meta(usually more necros present though)

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just so you guys know:

We’re not entirely opposed to toning down auto attack damage in PvP (we could split some of the skills and leave PvE/WvW where they are, for instance). I think it’d be a great way to add more importance to the main bar skills, and, in fact, is something we used to have before ship.

There was a time in balance when #1 skills across the board were said to be “too ineffective” by many players to be used. So we made an effort to bump them up and make them more impact-full on the game, so that they didn’t feel like a waste of the #1 slot. There was also a time when most skills had higher recharges, and longer activation times/aftercasts.

From much player feedback, we found that by lowering recharges and cast times, the game FELT better for the person using skills. But, as you guys have said, sometimes it feels like you aren’t punishing by making someone waste a long-cooldown skill, or you aren’t rewarded for interrupting a powerful skill because it comes back too quickly.

Just wanted to say that we agree with you guys, but we have to balance the risk/rewards vs. how good the game feels to pay.

Thanks for all the great ideas! We’re definitely listening.

Could you please not unbalance WVW any further - it is a pvp game mode and should be a more balanced than it currently is… do you guys realize how insane warrior regen is with the new runes, food and sentinel gear. Sorry don’t mean to get off topic, just getting more and more frustrated by how you seek to balance pvp yet completely ignore wvw balance and let things toned down in pvp exist in wvw in their unbalanced state… (please don’t try to deny that… perplexity runes and 3s revealed are more than enough proof…).

I really miss seeing high level play where you could distinguish that high skill, not just people being carried by over the top mechanics and builds.

very very much agree with you. u nerfed mesmers confusion to spvp level, whereas it needed a nerf, but nowhere near spvp level at all. u took away the only viable aoe source we had in wvw and now u never buff us again as we are good duelists. wvw is not based on duels, its group fights.

mesmer confusion is now a around 35% of this

now u keep buffing warriors and we are already at this

and this is the current meta(usually more necros present though)

Player Character.9467:

Alternative, sunless weapons

erm and how is that color supposed to fit with purple again? i just wish i would get at least an option to choose the celestial look on a rabid ascended.

my mesmer is going for condition, but i will have to transmute everything as the ugly disgusting orange just doesnt fit my mes at all. purple armor and purple attacks….so orange is a big no no!
it would be great if we could craft the weapon with the look we want. like after u have the recipe done u could get an option on which stat color u would like. after all these are expensive to make…
not every class that uses rabid is a necro, so dark and orange wont fit them.

lol @op. well if u run in a hammerwarrior or necro train on your mesmer after being 3 shot by 2 thieves(with +150 stats) 7 times in a row let me know how u feel yeah.

also if your 15 man group runs into a 60 man zerg i really wanna see how u overcome that meta during the entire week.

Bunda.2691:

This build is incredibly troll-y and relies on runes of perplexity, which are overpowered and need to be nerfed. In line with my other post about boycotting these runes, I’ve stopped using them. But I thought I’d post the build so others can give it a shot, and in the process realize how overpowered the runes are.

….

In short, the build is pretty good without runes of perplexity. With them, it is too powerful. Give it a shot (albeit briefly), and see for yourself. And then stop using the runes altogether.

soo u are posting a build and call it too powerful becauseeeeeee……?
oh thats right u probably want the runes to be nerfed. idk why even bother posting this build then.

@jportell very well said. anet has gutted the mesmers confusion and then came out wit a rune that applies confusion( way better than a mesmer) with other classes. confusion was a mesmers speciality and still should be. an engi has other access to conditions,so confusion shouldnt be stronger and easier to apply than by a mesmer.
if u look at the animation a character under confusion has…THERE IS PURPLE BUTTERFLIES around his head…erm doesnt that scream mesmer?
so why do engis get easier aces to it?…oh well anet hates mesmers….next is gonna be warriors with clones.

Doomdesire.9365:

Lenador.1436:

Doomdesire.9365:

Lets get a fight club or something started…

center ruins….. didnt you here fight club is dead

I just don’t see 50 -150 stat points making that big of a difference in dueling :/

i actually dueled a warrior from sor that had 3 orb buff and it was a close one. ty for accepting btw. :-)

Aurust.8961:

SOR is karma training, and not defending so FA and DB can karma train and we can karma train it back so FA and DB can karma train that then we karma train it again.

ty for letting us have a little funtime.:-) but gotta say i had a few epic battles with sor.at lest anet hasnt nerfed the karma in wvw as it is important that we get at least some way to get a few gold off the orrian chest lottery as the ton of blues and whites from lootbags are horrendous……

Bhawb.7408:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

wellllll……….. In GW1 there were builds that were hard counters to other builds….. GW2 follows the same suite.

Counter CC with stability or your own CC. Or simply LoS and use condi durations to kill your attacker.

If your opponent is so invested in CC they are going to be slow , high toughness, high vitality. I suggest not doing a 1v1, rather get help from a teammate. There is no shame in that since PvP in this game is “team” based.

“Stability? What is that?” – 90% of Necros. Why? Because we get one source of stability, if we are power builds that are happy with dropping 30 points into a trait line.

agreed.necros have like no stability. same with mesmers. we have 1 utility for stability and its a mantra and the stability only lasts 2 seconds.

with the cc heavy meta u get thrown around like a ping pong ball without the chance to even get up. if u get stunned and your stunbreakers are on cooldown u are in big trouble as after the stun and interrupts u have no way to block the knockbacks and knockdowns.
then u wanna get up and finally pop the stability and boom interrupted and boom next stun and then boom knockback….
once knocked back u should have a way to be immune to cc or interrupts so u can at least react and attack or at least heal. perma interrupts and knockdowns and perma fears are very very frustrating.

mrauls.6519:

How can it be the most worthless and the most powerful? That’s a weird combination of words. Healing power doesn’t kill anything

it doesnet affect the dps ,but healing and regen can be very op…

yup agree with u if fa faces anythig below t3(which is already a blowout matchup) it will be like our current matchup with sor

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1002

Orikx.9671:

Good riddance?
15Char

:-) yup.

the whole league thing is going to be pretty rough though. facing u sor atm is tough. im having fun still, but there is like no way to beat a t1 server for fa atm. we have a hard time vs tc already….
t1 atm is something like sor/jq/bg/tc
t2 fa/db
t3 mag/sos/ebay

… the servers are very far apart from eachother so it is pretty bad to think a league is gonna be fun.
oh well if we fa face a t4 server ill not wear armor then and level an alt…. and not go for bloodlust.

Pariah.8506:

penatbater.4710:

Even if you’re facing multiples of them, you still should be able to kite, dodge, and stunbreak their knockbacks/knockdowns.

Go aggro several reef drakes and fight them in open field combat.
Don’t forget to record the fight, this forum can use a bit of entertainment.

hahaaha yup please. probably the same like being hit by 5 stunlock warriors at the same time. people defending this are scarred that their knockback stunlock warriors are getting nerfed thats why they come defend the issue with the perma cc here.

honestly i just wish they would have given guilds a little bone. seriously. its been over a year and guilds still can only claim stuff, but not really have anything special.
wvw should be more gvg like.

allow guilds to build stuff( watchtowers or something or even a supplynode or stuff like that.)

the ruins could have been a big arena for gvg

guildhalls?!? why is this still not in the game?

guildshops….trade with others on your server the citadel is massive, so there would be space for stuff like that

traps set up by guilds

seriously, there is soo much u can do to make wvw fun for guilds..but oh well i think we all gotta wait for cu to have fun like that.

Aurust.8961:

Ricky already made this thread before, and when people realized that Ricky is, well Ricky… they stopped responding and it got buried. Please let this one die in peace as well…..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/save-wvw-break-up-the-top-tier-groups/page/4#post2893795

Funny read actually…..

yeah, hoonestly i cant stand that the op puts us all in the box of button 1 spamming zerglings.

ive been on fa since day 1 and our ioj members have been here for around 10 months now. if we had even numbers ricky, u would get crushed still as fa for example is used to be outmanned and pushes zergs far bigger then their own numbers.
and a lot of sor have been in sor since beginnig too, im sure. same with all the other t1 and t2 servers.
im facing the same guilds from tc and db i’ve been facing for months. u havent even seen any of our fights ever. and 12 maps?!? wtf? my guild is mainly australian and if i cant play with them i wont play gw2 and also when i get off work i cant play wvw because ricky is not able to deal with nightcapping.

hey in 2 days its free trial again. maybe should make an alt with my guild and come visit u guys..or actually your opponent server.:-)

shimmerless.4560:

It still absolutely baffles me that confusion on the whole (and glams in particular) were walloped by the nerf bat only for the devs to release these runes. Where’s the logic?

i think the devs just dont want mesmers to be powerful in zergs, because they all play warriors. warriors should have it all. power,toughness, healing, vitality, mass confusion, mass cc, huge crit and not die ever….after the shout buff there will be something new the devs will find they can buff.
they’d rather nerf the engis and thief’s cc than the rune that is awesome for warriors too.

Swamurabi.7890:

Instead of making the buff constantly changing to the people on the map, make the buff the delta between your servers glicko rating and the average glicko of the servers in the match.

For BG/JQ/TC

BG -78 to all stats
JQ -40 to all stats
TC +118 to all stats

For Sor/FA/DB

SoR -205 to all stats
FA +69 to all stats
DB +137 to all stats

Still doesn’t fix coverage issues though.

For the possible season 1 matchup of 1v7v12

BG -347
SoS +68
BP +280

very much agree…erm u know that a few sor zergs were running with no armor during our coverage gap hours? the stats would make a change, but if u get steamrolled by 60 people that are weaker, u will still get steamrolled.
if fa faces a t4 server our guilds would dominate the matchup all the time as we dont just zerg. we ninja, we got tons of havoc groups, we got scouts, we know how to open field battle, we are used to being outmanned and we got a lot of roamers too.

i’d say go for alliances. lets say the servers that lose in the leagues are open for alliances or so. if a t4 server gets matched up vs tc or jq for example, db or fa could help them out after they lost vs sor of bg…or tc of course. alliances could fix coverage gaps and make wvw a better place so blowout matchups dont happen.

im supporting the fact that perplexity needs to get nerfed. i dont think they are op on a mesmer. i do think they are op on a warrior(9 stacks of confusion an interrupt and warriors are kings of cc), also on an engi they are over the top.
those runes should give a class more viable access to confusion that arent meant to be confusion classes. i mean look at the animation around your head when u are confused…yes, thats right its butterflies and which class is the one with the butterflies again? i dont think warriors and engis.

i use the perplexity to strengthen my glam hybrid build in wvw as it is at least something i can use in a zvz situation. if they change it i’d like to see rune 6 to be changed from 5 stacks on interrupts for 15 sec to something like 10-15 percent more confusion dmg or so.

honestly id rather boycott tw/veil/portal to make a point that mesmers are more than just a utility slot to support the warrior/guardian/necro meta in wvw.

Kwll.1468:

Here is the deal what I am talking about is when there are 2 warriors on both sides in solo q, which is a very frequent occurance, its ludicrous the ammount stun spam and awkward combat. That can’t be A-nets vision for the game. Why can’t classes be fixed without adding cheese. Every pvp MMORPG I have ever played that took pvp seriously chain cc builds have always been nerfed. Being able to basically loop a certain form of cc over and over again is bad game design. The end.

agreed. u see the small version of whatu see in wvw. in wvw there is entire zergs containing 90 percent stunlock warriors, then guardians and necros, nothing eles. its a mass cc spam all at the same time and if u get hit by 1 of them u melt without even having a chance to clock or react.im sure this is not what anet intended.

Romek.4201:

my idea is better
- show on map all enemyzergs bigger than 25 with a comander symbol+Swords in enemy colour

would so fix all problems^^

actually no it wont at all. we have scouts all over the place and know where the zergs are… that wont stop the 60man storming every tower u have and getting all your keeps.

jportell.2197:

lol The last post in the Mesmer forum was long before the june 25th patch even hit. :/

yup. devs dont like mesmers or eles. they all play warriors, thieves and necros. if their class has a just 1 little issue with another class, they will nerf that class to the ground while buffing theirs like crazy.
next big balance patch, mesmers get very little fixes, even though we lack a lot in group pvp. in wvw we get used as veil/portal/tw bots and support only.

eles mobility got nerfed to the ground and their survivability took a big big hit too, while the buffed warriors regen and heals soo much that kitten like this is happening in wvw atm.

and then they buffed their stuns and hello new meta.
great and anet is buffing their shouts now too. yay!

timidobserver.7925:

Advent.6193:

I wanted 3 originally, but math pointed out by other posters pointed out the lacking aspects thereof. We’d then have servers with no third opponent, from what I recall.
Four, while not “perfect,” would at least work much better than two. Keep your fingers crossed, timidobserver … and everyone else.

Yup. It is pretty simple to me. The number rating separation between the number 1 server and the number 12 server is bigger in NA than EU. The separation is actually double. Taking that into consideration, NA should certainly not have less leagues than EU.

i really hope t4 servers dont get a visit form t1 servers. if my t2 server fa ever gets matched vs a t4, ill play with no armor the whole week with my lvl 20 guardian.

oh man!no recipe? that sucks :-(…

Tom Gore.4035:

Albane.3618:

Tom Gore.4035:

katniss.6735:

People are actively taking a strike against WvW.

The only people still playing are PvD rank farmers, and those classes that abuse the hell out of perplexity runes.

Edit: And dragonite ore farmers.

And those who love the new Bloodlust area for the small-group PvP it offers. I love it

Yeah, stat buffs are a great way to encourage open-field fighting. It makes the game extremely fair and balanced

I can see that they maybe upset the field when two zergs clash, but having been smashing a ton of “high-ranked” players in the bloodlust area I can say the problem within the zergs is not the stats…

aaand of course u are aware of the fact that most of the people that fight in zergs are speced for zergs and not spvp right? i have to change my build if i wanna go roaming.

Rednik.3809:

Nah, screw siege towers. I want option to load asuras into trebs and shoot em inside enemy keep.

ohhh great idea, they also make perfect cannon balls.i wanna shoot them at a golem next!

the merchant sells berserker recipes and stuff but no rabid? how can i get it? i saw it on the tp, but also no recipe….

dont know about marching sound but i would like this one when we are destroying a zerg.

Hule.8794:

In meadieval wars there was no meteor shower on walls. Also it was not easy to kill burning oil upon the gate so these siege towers made sense. And dont forget of army waiting at walls until mesmer in siege tower will port them inside.

this, well and also 50 man werent able to take a reinforced gate down with their swords or 1 thief wasnt able to hit the gate with his dagger once to prevent people from waypointing in there nor hit it to become invisible….

erm no. simply because a giant zerg could build these and take the entire bl withing 5 min.

Ricky.4706:

if we get matched up, it’s no biggie …we’ll just go pve till the match is over and come back the next week when we have normal people to fight – that’s pretty much what we’ve been doing.

anyone that’s fought us has had a great time, no one leaves our fights feeling like anyone lost.

why not come out and play then? we are the same way. our 15 people get wiped by 60 man zerg, but we feel still great as we gave them a hell of a fight! the point im trying to make is, that every server has great players and we want great fights. yeah some servers have a bigger population, but when we face sor, we still try to hold our stuff as good as we can. we dont just go pve and give up.

Ricky.4706:

thats exactly the attitude we don’t want. We have fun, seriously we do.. We don’t need you guys screaming in the field that we aren’t high level….we had enough of that, those are YOUR kids now.

Really please…. no more condescending attitudes for us, we ARE playing at a high level without the need of massive teams.

Keep your teamspeak and your miley cyrus off key sing-a-longs – we don’t want them. We don’t appreciate your idea of a high level fight nor your need to look down on us.

Anet really should reward server pride and loyalty. They are rewarding bullying.

dude we are not even talking down to u or bullying, the one attacking and bullying is u and u only atm. miley cirus and all that, cmon! we are also playing at high level, but u are too ignorant to acknowlege that. u have no idea what is going on during our fights and matchups. and even if we get matched vs your server, we DO want u to do well, we want good fights, not just mindless blobbing. not pvd style. we love our havoc groups.
btw if u do get matched vs us, dont try eb during na prime…. but please come out and duel . ;-)

and @ Relentliss.2170: yeah u guys have less than bg but right now u dont have another t1 server to fight, so of course u guys can smash both of us esily as u dont have anyone that can stand up to u. if bg faces 2 t2 server it will be the same. i had fun in t1 week as fa saw it as a challenge to prove its self to the 2 t1 servers. u do have a crazy coverage though.

i love pistol thieves. i got 3 reflect on my mes. they go invis and attack while i have my block up(=5 stacks of torment), then cast my warden and stand next to it.then they start attacking again, my warden reflects all shots back and i cast the second warden and stand in the middle of them. put up my block (torment again) and the wardens both refelct . boom thief killed himself. XD

i dont think db or fa are overpopulated. we have prime times but we also have big gaps in coverage. we have a lot of small groups running around. u will see a big zerg though in eb and during reset. our queues are very very short and reset nights only.
sor/jq and bg are massive though, but they do have a lot of guilds that leave to lower servers too. so where do u want the guilds to go to? just quit playing? because u are worried about qyueues, but at the same time complaining that u dont have the coverge and about t1 and t2 servers being unskilled and zergers?

what if a servers falls apart and u guys get all the transfers? would your server refuse? i dont think so…
then all of the sudden everyone will start calling u the bandwagon server and u move up in tiers. how would u feel if someone calls your server a bunch of unskilled blobs? u still have the same guilds u had from the start, the same players and the same skill, u just have more people and better coverage.

well, before adding all those offensive masteries, they should have improved the keeps and towers and added a new upgrade tier soe those flamrams trebs and all that wouldnt give an outnumbering server the upper hand in battles around keeps. facing a giant zerg and defending is pretty hard as no wall is safe with the mass aoes from necros and eles.

the towers and keeps are to close. garrison shouldnt be trebbed from craig and woodhaven towers for example. and the trebmastery will drain all supply from u. if u have only 15 people defending vs 60, there is not much u can do about those trebs.

the layout of the keeps is not good vs ac treb and flamram mastery either. your acs cant take down the rams anymore and all the masteries keep giving the dominating server the upper hand. its time to improve the keeps and towers.

if an enemy zerg breakes through outer, there should be a way to slow them down with traps andother things. in eb jp there is a way to trap enemies, there is multiple traps anyways…..my friend trapped 3 thieves that were ganking everyone and that is how keeps should work too.

the ruins offer a lot of little passages and hidingspots and i think keeps should be the same way.

ricky: u remind me of fa way back. we used to be outnumbered all the time and started developing very unique strategies to outplay the big servers. then we got the whole ioj merge and it is soo much fun with them.we have grown a lot as a community. we are still not big enough to beat tc or any ot the t1 servers, but we fight even if we are sitting on 60 ppt, we will still go ninja something. the other night we had 30 ppt, left the home bl and went and took fully fortified hils from sor. so yeah u can still have fun even if u face a server like sor.

but ricky, do not make the mistake and think all t1 servers are bad players because of their numbers. i’ve met some pretty awesome sor roamers. they dont refuse duels and they do have teams of 2-5 roaming at all time. face tc and u will find a lot of ganking groups too. t1 servers have scouts everywhere.
dont talk bad about servers u havent faced lately.

Vena.8436:

I’m actually amazed that the seven or so of you that drive (and make) each and every one of these threads, haven’t gotten bored yet. Its like the antithesis to krall.

Its almost admirable.

I do think we’ve come full circle though:

• Buffs suck, ruined balance! Keep stomp and map!
• Stomp sucks, too many points are not from PvD, how dare 40% of our points come from fighting! Keep only the map!
• Map sucks! (No clue what the reason for this one is…)

And two weeks ago, we were crying about:

• Change the maps or give new ones! This is boring!
• Too much reward for PvDoor! Reward the fighting!

The wonders of the internet.

well too bad that the dominating server gets all the buffs and all the stomps and we dont get anything out of it.i like the way the ruins look but it would have been better to turn this area into a castle with the same kind off narrow passages and chokepoints and places to use traps=zerg runs the wrong way they die.

Ricky.4706:

and honestly, as a mid player – i’m upset because we had a nice thing going here – we had some amazing fights vs other servers, there is a larger variety of worthy opponents in the mid section than the t1 servers have as opponents. those top servers bloated themselves out of the fun and we really don’t want them down here battling with us. Our fights are consistently epic and fun for everyone. Sure I showed a cap of how we took over eternal, but by morning the other server will fight back and take a ton of property too lol – there are no facemelts or losers in our fights – just an epic battle for everyone along with a never say die attitude to take it all back – this fight isn’t a landslide – it’s actually pretty close and if we sleep on them, they are going to get even! hahaha!!

honestly i get that you’re mad, but u cant judge a server u havent fought. we do all have epic battles. the can last from 10 min to hours with kiting, portaling behind them, different push tactics, etc. its the same u are experiencing just on a larger scale. sure a t1 server goes pvd when the opponent doesnet have the numbers to push them out, but that not fun for them either.
today fa at this very moment is batteling massive sor waves for hours and we are both having a blast, even though we are sitting on like 60 ppt atm

Ricky.4706:

are you kidding me ? not supposed to be fair ? thats why wvw is a mess, that’s exactly the mind frame that is ruining the game.

you guys make the game unbalanced and sit back while everyone blames it on anet.

You want easy wins, thats not good.

we don’t want easy fights, we want good fights – mid level servers have server pride – they don’t run! this would be most of t1 in a fair fight. – just capped.

i get that u are proud of the skill level on your mid tier server. fa is very similar like this, but not all t1 or t2 servers would run when facing equal numbers or doesnt know how to defend (tc leaves scouts in each and every objective they own for example).

check some of the t1 matchup videos . even sor will face moments where one of their groups is outnumbered and needs to push to survive.
u are way too judgmental about t1 and t2 without knowing very much about them. yes there are blob guilds, but every server has a few of them. but also every server has true warriors that dont run and stand their ground.

sor for sure does have sever pride as much as we fa have and same with every other server. just see for yourself, next gw trial account, go to a t2 server and see if we all just blob and dont have tactics and skills. u would be surprised….

Mike.7320:

Geeze..honestly….comon…

Hold 3 points in ONE OF 3 BL to obtain an orb buff. Wah wah wah my server zergs too much and wah wah wah we cant capture and hold 3 points. Carebears these days, holy kitten takes one freaking person to capture a point, you would think one out of 75 or so could capture it, Anet had an oversight, Gw2 players suck at anything that isnt blob v door.

of course a mag guy from og would say that. well here is what we did. 1 person u say. yeah 1can maybe hold vs 2, but if there is a tpvp like group of 6 running around this 1 person melts quickly. then u send 6 and the other server sends 15. also due to the decap issue 1 person alone will not be able to hold 3 points. if 3 people split up to hold the points most of the time 1 of them gets ganked by 3 thieves or a 5 man team.
5 at each cappoint takes 15 people away from defending their towers and keeps. the server with the bigger population can actually afford to have a team of 5 to 15 to keep the orb buffs up and do the whole blob v dorr thing at the same time….

Lord Kuru.3685:

Luvpie.8350:

Here is a preview of a T1 server fighting anyone outside of T1 (JQ,BG,SoR)
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1002

Moar data needed! Besides, I’m sure FA and SoR had a really fun time testing their skills against higher rated servers.

u mean FA and DB. well we had fun when we were facing jq and bg as the 2 t1 servers fight each other a lot which takes off a little pressure from fa….but a t1 server facing 2 non t1 servers is not really fun as sor doesnt have a real oponent to fight and the other servers are being trashed without any chance to put a little pressure on sor as we both lack coverage…

yep was stuck in overflow for over an hour, then a friend invited me to her party and i was finally able to join my server. meanwhile there was 1 tequatl event in the overflow and we didnt have enough to beat him and all i hear after is people cussing others out and calling everyone noobs and stuff…..