Guild Wars 2

oh i cant wait for the new pve map to come out….oh i meant the amazing borderland maps that work with a ton of pve mobs pve ai traps pve meta events and pve addons. the new maps will offer a ton of new exploits, zergs that camp the op shrines and pve events and outmanned servers being even more frustrated. then it will take anet 1 year to fix the wvw bug of the new map …..if they ever fix it. i remember passages that they didnt fix for over a year where people could basically jump right into hills lords room. then the flyhacks and the culling issues and the glitching through doors and the rezzing and portaling through gates ….yep caaaant wait…….

so u wanna ban half of the wvw population then? or even more. why u take this week even serious. its like the time when chaosstorm on falling was bugged and insta wiped entire zergs. it was raining mesmers everywhere. and of course everyone wants to try it out. screaming for bans is way over the top. get over it. im not even playing this week as i hate golems. i checked the event, hated it and now i wait till its over. who cares if people abuse it? do the same thing and join the fun or idk go spvp maybe or level a new character or idk read something till its over. just dont take it so serious. the whole event is absolute kitten anyways!

ghost.3208:

selan.8354:

my hint to anet:
g does not stand for golem
not golemwars
its g…..wars

Grub wars?!?!?!? :o

HELL YES I want to mount one

hahaha u just made my day XD

Boysenberry.1869:

People have been begging for anet to add GvG to the game for years now. They are only listening to their players. GvG stands for Golem versus Golem right….right?!

well at least they are getting closer. maybe we should give them a hint next time.
my hint to anet:
g does not stand for golem, but its part of the games name
not golemwars
its g…..wars

i think somebody at anet lost a bet while drunk and the golemweek is the result of that.
classic PUI (programming under influence)

Taxidriver.2043:

I love it
1. it shows most of the wvw players love to ktrain just like the Eotm players.
2. it shows most of the wvw players got no clue how to play without the orange sword, they been playing the easy mode for too long.

(erm we are fight guild. we dont even take towers most of the time…so we do not karmatrain!)

1. we are not raiding this week, because we like good fights and the golemrush week prevents that. (its more of an actual eotm like circus)
2. we actually check for white swords, because of many nija caps. the orange one just mean big fight and zergs to bust. so we will rush to it, because we love big fights and busting zergs. but we usually know where the enemy is at(enemy that wants to fight even tells us..)

imo anet should make these events for eotm/pve kscrubtrain . im sure they will have fun with that.

i do. spvp once in a while, but i dont like pve . the only reason i play is because of wvw and zergbusting…well new map shows that anet doesn’t understand wvw at all….and the golem event must be a joke….

Zetsumei.4975:

Well over to the west in the sand dunes part of the big desert area above the fire keep are some nice places to fight to be fair

so there are limited places where an open fight can actually happen.. in a wvw map…which is about open fights and used to be fun when people took hours to siege and defend and groups fought eachother and zergs got busted by a well organised guild….
pshh ill queue for eb thats it! i dont want eotm v2 nor do i want a new pve overloaded map that is so overcroweded with ai elements and fancy random traps and stupid jumps and cluttered keeps and even jp elements.
if i wanna pve, i go pve. i want wvw and this map is not a wvw map. its pretty and stuff, but i like fights so ill be forced to queue all day long for eb.

a new wvw map:

should have been simple

should give player more options to actually battle eachother, not less

we wanna place and operate our defensive siege ourselves, its much more rewarding for me to know that i killed 15 golems because i knew where to place my siege.

we dont need fancy jumping complexes

we don need labyrinths

an wvw map should have more upgrade options

we need nice open fields and less exploitable areas.

this map is so complex that i can see already a ton of glitches and people hacking into keeps

we dont need an ai event that takes down gates as again it will favor the outmanning server as they can simply camp the event

anet has gold with wvw but is leading it form the sandbox style game mode into a circus mode for pve people. so now its a trash instead. ill eb and eb only.

denis.9487:

Choppy.4183:

@Denis
Lol, really? Where does the amazing sustain come from in a Wvw setup? I mean, it’s not really on topic here but I’m positive you have no idea what goes into playing a warrior with a comment like that. And don’t confuse me challenging you on this point as me saying “poor warriors, mesmers are so OP” because I don’t think I can say much more than I have here and on the warrior thread to show that’s not my position.

@Daniel
You misunderstand me. Baiting out defenses is part of the game, and a really important one. The unbalanced counter play was the important part there, and recognizing that I was responding to, “you just need to learn how to anticipate bursts”.

Also, the torch and utility stealths on mesmer aren’t on particularly long CD, and they aren’t the only defenses. I’m not complaining about that, but let’s keep things in perspective here.

Torch is 30 seconds. The trait is not a flat increase. Decoy is 40/32 base veil is 90 mi is 90/72. Desperate decoy competes in the dueling line plus prolly would cause reveal since hard to use/time. So how are these not long?

people just keep whining and whining, yes pu is strong and yes we have long cooldowns on most of our stealth skills and pu makes it easier to rotate. but pu is not THE trait everyone and his mother is runnign right now. i tried it and i play wvw ONLY. honestly i rather take chaotic interruption. pu is great if u zergbust as u actually can get away whereas before u would just be stunlocked and then unable to escape the zerg. its strong in a 1v1 situation, but then again, thieves have been permastealthing since culling and sometimes are only visible for 1 second while they deal like twice the dmg a wvw mesmer deals as in wvw a mesmer usually doesnt run full glass. so no pu is not overpowerd in wvw but its strong and annoying. and about the stupid argument omg u can reset the fight whenever u want by stealthing away. erm thieves have been doing this for years!!!!! before they fixed shadow step thieves would be able to poof back to spawn when it got too risky. also warriors would just run away easily outrun our lame slow mesmer swiftness with their gs leaps etc. thieves are kittenhurt right now because mesmers can stealth along with them and its not only them going poof then u go invis and pop up before the thieves stealth runs out and thief backstabs u for 8-11k. they are kittenhurt because they are not the only stealthclass anymore. well guess what u guys were laughing at mesmers when perplexity runes came out and u guys were able to stack 25 stacks of confusion on an an enemy with half the effort a mesmer had to put in to get even a few confusion stacks after their nerf. now u know how it feels!

because they did like their easy class mode and now suddenly have to actually think instead of mindless spamming!

confusion used to punish 111111 spamming classes in wvw and blew entire zergs up because 1 nonone used condi cleanse and 2 nobody wanted to stop spamming skills and actually think for a moment… then anet gave in and we had the worst heavy meta in wvw because nothing could stop the warrior and guardian zergs. all they had to do was stability up and 1111111111112221111111111222 for the win.

spvp is similar.
thieves want to backstam , 22222 over and over and dont like changing up a bit. they love using zerk and 1-2 shot people…. mesmers now can actually aoe blind them stun them and interrupt their 222 spam and they sont like that. mesmers now sont always need to target so they dan deal dmg to thief, thei have aoe now with ip made baseline and omg mesmers can finally make use of f1-f4 vs thieves.

warriors are used to perma stunlock people while their healing signet keeps them to full health. mesmers now finally have damage sustain with all the new things…omg warrior cant just 11111 earthshaker earthshaker earthshaker earthshaker earthshaker anymore, they actually have to think now.

eles are not much complaining, because they themselves got a great buff and are really really tough to take down imo.

necros do have a reason to cry, as they still lack defensive skills like leaps or stealth or anything and so of course they dislike us as we can troll them all day long(but every class can atm)

engi: well they are sorta like mesmers and have many tricks and can even aoe moa. they dont wine as much about us but after all we are competition now and can take them on.

guards: i think they are still mad at us from back then wen guards were kinda meh and we destroyed them in wvw with out glamour and immortal mes builds

so yeah u see mesmers are a sorta trollish class that confuse the enemy and if u face a good mes, u really have to think twice before attacking as every mistake could be very punishing, but thats how mesmers are supposed to be….well just wait till chronomancers come out. people will actually have to think even more then as their brainless spamming will not be effective anymore

Loxsus.3841:

MidoriMarch.8067:

I play PU condi mesmer is pvp/wvw.
and it is extemely op and more strong stealth than thief.
difrerent between thief and mesmer stealth = mesmer can instant stealth and stealth duration also stacks whicb means i can stay stealth whenever i want faster and stay almost forever. But as a thief we need to either land that cnd or hs bp combo to get in stealth. (ofc we can instant stealth too but which means we have to sacrifice our long cd UTILITY SKILL which is used for escape/life saver utility.) And basically do not forget mesmer gets clones+stealth with lot of boons and lot more hp+defensive skills and btw stealth is basically thief’s mechanic not mesmer’s. Mesmer’s more like clone phantasm type of mechanic. Giving mesmer better stealth than thief is just not right.

… you do realize MI is a long cooldown utility skill … right? O_o

its not a real mesmer player its a crying thief main that pretends to be a mesmer and hopes to get mesmers nerfed.
mesmers should stick to clones and phantasms is what this person is saying..lol. we always and always had stealth and there is no reason to slot all stealth utility. one of these needs to be blink anyways. and u will sacrifice speedbuff for torch offhand too… but oh well thieves are kittenhurt because now that we can actually fight them they are so so sad that they can 222222 for the win anymore.

Solori.6025:

ReaperJr.5967:

I don’t know where you got the idea that mesmer was underpowered pre patch. Ever heard of Lord helseth? Watched him play?

Most of the people who didn’t play mesmer pre patch were daunted because mesmer had a high skill floor and ceiling. Ding ding ding, what’s new?

Now post patch, bad mesmers who get carried by buff are shouting ‘we are finally viable stop crying and l2p whiners’.

Sorry, you seemed to have missed the conversation helseth had when he admitted to mesmer being a liability for his team.
If a Top tier mesmers admits that he could help his team more playing something else. Then yes, mesmers are underpowered compared to other classes that could fill it’s roaming role, secondly, even in ToL and the world series mesmers were taken on teams MUCH less than say an ele, or thief.

But I guess you have been following the top tier meta for a while so you of course knew that already right?

i remember that and i also remember him play an evade thief. yes mesmers were completely underpowered in team pvp. our f1-f4 skills were only useful if ip trait was active, because the condis and aoes would destroy every illusion out there and render shattering useless without ip. then endless cooldowns, not enough dmg sustain, terrible access to stability, a messy trait system, horrible condi cleanse, overnerfs to the class without any buffs and then around 30 unfixed bugs…..that will sorta make u more of a liability than a great teammate!
now mesmers got fixed up and yes people that loved the class and even played with all the issues are super hyped to finally play on mes and have fun without having to improvise so much just to deal as much dmg as ANY other class. and u know we still get destroyed and no we cant blind u 24/7, there is a cooldown, we cant pu and chaotic interrupt together …..seriously just give it some time till people are used to the new mesmers and then we can talk buffs and nerfs!

omg really?!?! mantras have ALWAYS been like this. u have to precharge them and if untraited u have 2 instant casts. after u cant use them until u charge again and u cant dodge or anything while casting againand its easy to interrupt the charge.also a very obvious cast …just sayin…. i never used mantras until this patch because they are so hard to use especially in a groupfights or wvw. u have to time the recharging well if u wanna use mantras properly.
seriously people cry crycrycyrcy because they got beaten in spvp. then instead of even trying to adjust their build, they come here to whine without even knowing what they are talking about! please make a mesmer and try using mantras in spvp and then see for yourself!!!
YES there are mesmers now in spvp and they are finally strong! get over it! watch how they play and see the pattern, get to know their skills and adjust. mesmers have been dealing with horrible metas and had to adjust over and over and over. now u have to learn to deal with them. welcome to pvp!

how about making a buff and bug fix list instead of the omg nerf list?so yes mesmers are stong and yes pu lasts long, but then again u cant use the lockdowntrait that most of the spvp mesmers use atm and pu together. mantra of distraction has always worked that way, people just didnt use it that often because using mantras has always been a pain. every single time i hear people crying about pu i know u probably faced a lockdown mesmer that used decoy and desperate deco trait rather than pu. i agree the blind should not ignore invulnerability but other than that all the nerf this and nerf that threads are just wayyyy to early as atm everyone will play their mesmer after they have shelved it for months. burning is out of control though….

Necrotize.2974:

Oh look, another one of these threads. I bet it’ll have completely unique and productive conversations. Definitely nothing like “PU is OP in 1v1/roaming” or “My build can’t counter mesmers anymore just by blocking a telegraphed mirror blade” and “I should be able to deal with the rising condi meta but also be able to deal with zerker mesmers and still be able to deal good damage because a build with a weakness makes no sense at all”. I could go on, but seriously people, play a mesmer at least for a while before you come to forums to cry. Sure you may surprise someone from stealth and burst a squishy down, but you’d be surprised how little PU offers to an organized team compared to the other options.

+1 .people are freaking out because there are so many mesmers. well after being underpowered and unwanted in pvp teams for so long, of course now that mesmers are strong and can actually apply dmg like other classes without having to walk an extra 10 miles, everyone unshelved their mesmers, I usually play my necro in wvw, because I was sick and tired of being a stupid veilbot. since the patch i have finally fun again in wvw on my mesmer. of course the glass mesmers have a strong burst, so does the glass thief and ele and guard and engi and warrior…… and yes PU…i dont even use it in spvp as chaotic interruption is better.
people whine about pu and chaotic interruption…well fyi people, we can only choose 1 and chaotic is way better than pu which is the only stealth that got buffed!

Exciton.8942:

Krysard.1364:

a thief vs thief have been always like this, no post-patch, if a CS thief did his opener and you could not react, you were rekt… What you have to do is steal him, or use your stunbreaks+withdraw, and then attack him, it is likely you will do the same amount of dmg than received

That’s not true. It’s not common to get HP from 17k to 3k in less than a second.
Thief can usually survive as long as they get just a little bit more time. I went to dueling server a lot and rarely see thief duel ending up being a one-shot fight.

erm yes it is! go to wvw. thieves and other classes can pretty much 1 shot u if u are glass. I have toughness in wvw and thieves used to hit me out of nowhere for easy 9k-11k. if i was glass id be toast!then there is killshotwar and rapidfire rangers….

online.1278:

Honestly, there isn’t really a esport game that changes its balance that much and that often like gw2 has been doing.

It is because they know it will make some of their active users quit the game. Rather, most esport game company like Riot make new content, new skill, new job or just new stuff to balance its game and to lure new users by showing attractive new stuffs, rather than nerfing or buffing current stuffs, which might make some1 get angry.

And the most problem is that balance patch seem to be done mostly by only 5% pro-gamers in this game, whom are supposed to be treated like normal user. But in fact they got treated specially by anet and anet too much listen to them. Just look at the document regarding next balance update stuffs then you know what I mean.

Just roll back everything to before the patch and make new stuffs to lure new users. Be creative and plz stop wandering for same similar balance stuffs to only satisfy your 5% people.

LoL. hahaha. so u are saying lol is great with balancing new things? oh so there wasnt an unkillable rek’sai disaster? and Lee Sin has been brought in line. and the new chronomancer ekko was not gamebreakingly op?they didnt overnerf elise and evelynn and then overbuffed the jungle so only lee sin was still viable in it?and then now we got the overbuff of tanks and volibear is out of control still…etc so c’mon Riot is really not good at balance patches or anything either. they make the same mistakes and yes they take really long to fix broken characters.

balance is a tough thing, as it is done on paper first and then tested by a few people, but only once it goes live u can really tell what needs balancing and what not. terrible metas and mistakes can and will happen. the gamebreaking bugs like the chaosstorm wvw bug for example will be fixed quickly whereas other things need further analizing before nerfing, fixing or buffing.

wait. no mesmer nerfs?no hidden nerfs? no game breaking bugs? omg, everyone RUN! the world is ending!

yeah people will whine because now they cant spam their easy combos all the time, because yeah mes interrupts them or actually can counter a thief now. everyone wants the mesmers to be nerfed to the ground again, because they enjoyed perma stun and heartseeker and rapid fire and decap engi and and and and us to death. they dont like changing and thats why the cry for nerfs. I hope anet doesnt destroy the class again because of 1v1 spvp hotjoin whiners. Just FYI Anet: mesmers are FINALLY more than just a stupid lame veilbot in wvw. so when u balance, could u please consider other gamemodes too?just for once?

erm i disagree. yes there are a lot of mesmers, but it will normalize. most of us havent played our mes for a long time, because before patch, we were more of a burden than actual teamplayers and in wvw i was a kitten veilbot. all they needed in 1 zerg of 40 people was 1 – 2 (MAX) mesmers for veil and feedback(after ranger buff). Now i can actually have fun after ive used my veil and deal dmg omg! btw the rest of the zerg was the GWEN meta. Now in spvp I’d get 2222 spammed by theif, perma immobilized and rapid fired down and then there was the eles after they buffed them. fact is, mes was in a bad spot, fact also is, now all mesmers come out and play now that they are allowed to feel more powerful. how about waiting, trying to adjust your build and then see how things play out over the next few weeks? MESMERS have been doing that for a very long time now.

FrizzFreston.5290:

maddoctor.2738:

Miriam.2506:

Just bad for those people who paid 100€ for the game and just getting nothing with BETA Events now like promised. Even a Stress test is important and on stress tests servers should come to their breaking limit, so if a server has normally 10.000 players at stress tests those tested with maybe 12.000 to 15.000 to see where is the max limit for it.

So many as possible people should play and join those event. Having only 5% players at those maps, it not really stressing servers in any way. And I don’t think they setup only one server with this map for testing ??

It’s a test map not a whole server. Maps do not have capacity for 10k players they have capacity for less than 200. So giving access to everyone who pre-purchased would create insane queues (unless only ~200 players pre-purchased)

I thought a WvW map had at the very least 300v300v300?
Correct me if I’m wrong though. If they have a full server that’s quite a bigger amount though.

erm. no! have u ever experience a map with only 60v60v60? it is lag city right there. smc fights are unplayable if 2 zergs of around 40 plus 1 zerg of 60 hit. u literally stand there spamming 1111111 because no other skill will work. now that the map is bigger the cap might get raised a little, but cant be too much as there are all those pve events that will cause more lag. with 300v300v300 i think my graphic card would melt at the same time as gw2 would crash and not be playable for the next 3 days.

so its back to the way it used to be..50% of the time it wont work

maybe dont spam when the domes are up… feedback is on a pretty high cooldown so im sure u will find a way to avoid it…

wow people really are trying to nerf everything they possible see on a mes. seriously,YES we are strong, and yes we deserve it! and yes after we have been hustling with broken mechanics a horrible trtait system and like 100 bug, i’d say, its about kitten time that the mes finally got buffs and is now an annoying opponent! i was about to delete this class for another one and lets face it, a new player struggled with the old mes, especially with the way they changed leveling up and unlocking traits and skills. mes is strong, annoying and definitely a class u should fear, but i dont think it is broken or op. i get countered all the time, so its not broken op.

so dear other classes, how about for once u try to adjust instead of crying. we had to adjust over and over and over and kept getting nerfed to the ground like with confusion( it did need a tweak at that time, but not 50% + bb nerf, but u guys whined soo much because u refused to take condi cleanse). so yeah welcome to the new mesmer that doesnt have to run 900 miles just to get the same result in dmg or gameplay like any other godkitten class out there!

Seyiwaji.4082:

Mesmer OP or Strong let’s clarify

Mesmer was a weak class, bound Phantasm or Condi in PvE and Shatter in PvP (if you were running something, you considered as kitten)
Now after the patch. Not even 1 weak had passed and yet you were already calling them OP.

Understand that Strong is not OP.

Mesmer is now a strong class, they were used to be targeted at first in group fight.
But now people trying this are burning their fingers, and call them OP.
Using 4-5 skill to burst someone is not OP, it is strong.

OP is Barrage grenade now, how it is. OP was turret before change.
May be you should take time to understand what changed and what you can do against it, before calling them OP.
Running berserk or Marrauder is a risk. getting burst is risk. But you can choose not use those, and you won’t get burst so quickly.
it is easier to win now, but let’s thing settling down before calling them OP.
There are stronger class.

this +1 from me. I couldnt have said it better. Also mesmers were able to play this class with all the bugs and a horrible traitsystem that was the leftover after all the nerfs we had. now that we are brought up in line with other classes and dont have to walk an extra 7 miles just to deal damage like any other class, people are freaking out.
they forget that they are facing people that have mastered this class and they dont like being outplayed by mesmers.

thieves: -How dare they have this much stealth. how dare they use and aoe shatter
while im in stealth, how dare they interrupt my 22222222222 combo.
war: – how dare they interrupt me, how dare they not being permalocked down,
how dare they evade my earthshaker, 11111111112 combo
engi: – distortion ugh, but oh well i got my grenades XD

ele: – how dare mes interrupt my d/d combos

Ranger: – how dare they reflect my rapidfire spam

so how about adapting your playstyle for once? mes had to do that all the time.

honestly can we stop trying to fix the mes already? can we first wait a bit and maybe just divide wvw balance and spvp balance again? cause in wvw mes is finally doing good and feels strong again. in spvp i can see that mes is annoying, but so are other classes atm. granade/ rifle engi is ridiculous, thieves 1 shot u too and cele eles are very very hard to kill. let the builds play out first and then we shall see. i really dont want another nerf the mesmer until only veilbot in wvw again because people dont wanna try to adjust.
im sure there is some tweaking to be done, but not only mesmers, id say pretty much every class has some op/annoying builds atm.

so now after mes finally got fixed and a well deserved buff, that made dealing dmg as a mes FINALLY like it is with other classes, people start to cry. its not hat the buffs are too much, its more like u are meeting players that were able to play this profession with a ton of bugs and a messy trait sysstem and f1-f4 that would only be really useful if traited with the gm trait ip or in a 1v1 situation.
u are meeting people that were playing unfinished improvised builds in wvw, because all other builds have been nerfed or were plagued by bugs. id say we mes had some training and thats why now that the class got a little easier to play, u will get outplayed quiet a bit.
its not too much dmg. i tested different armor and weapons and builds and runes….it is all not that high, its just now that the mesmer can shatter if utilities are on their endless cooldown and everyone and his mother is playing powershatter or lockdown.yes a mesmer is annoying now and also a whole lot scarier in a zerg than before and finally im no veilbot no more. time to adjust and find a counter…

+1
ty for your hard work. i finally feel like im doing something in wvw other than just putting veil down and wait for the veil cd to finish…lets hope the wvw mesmer will keep getting love and attention.

im using the build atm and yes its a ton of fun. lots of survival and a ton of iterrupts.

Iavra.8510:

Damage needs a nerf across the board. I should never be able to one-shot zerg warriors and conditions in general tick way too high.

Also PU needs to be reverted, at least.

we get u want pu nerfed….are u gonna answer every single topic now with omg pu needs nerf?1!?

Iavra.8510:

If you don’t see how broken PU is, i fear nobody can help you.

we are not talking about pu here. and we honestly dont care about u wanting to nerf pu. we are talking out a trait that got nerfed a little early!

Relendless.9413:

Fay.2357:

Honesty I’m just laughing that you’re claiming to have tested this build thoroughly. The patch has been out for what, 3 hours now?

This build may very well be decent, but give it a rest and actually test it before proclaiming it as the best thing since sliced bread.

seems like you the condi + PU player by mesmer ( right ^^)
and now your just bad at Mesmer and cant play it like it was.
so you flame someone else thread.

Just test the build a few days and you will see, and when not then just say you dont like the build and dont flame all day.

lool. sorry but u really dont know pyro!! u really dont, like at all. like never knew who the inventor of the immortal mesmer is! my guild leader (kylia deprigen, the inventor of the glamour build) did 1v1 him and lost. so did we back then. nowadays pyro has tested a ton of builds in spvp and wvw. he is not flamming the build itself but claiming its the best build out there is a little early atm. thats all.
ill check the build out too and see after testing it out.

Ristillath.6745:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Mesmers: These guys feel a bit weak

LOL.

yep lol indeed. nothing new there!ty anet for the first nerf right away.

i really dont get anet in this. i got perma burned to death and mes gets nerfed? because…..? seriously ANet thats just messed up.

and mes is already back to the bottom of the bottom in spvp due to lack of condicleanse. but hey lets nerf them first right?

Fay.2357:

Sebrent.3625:

Is it really that hard to admit that you reacted far too quickly and harshly? That your words/actions were unwarranted?

Well that’s awkward. Unwarranted and too quickly and harshly indeed.

id say forget about this guys pyro! he acts like he is an authority and even threatens by mentioning that he was the one that got u banned etc. people like that dont deserve your attentiong. we mesmers however need u for our builds we are coming up with atm and our bugs and problems. ;-) (yesss pyro where is my wvw build!!!?!?!no more sleeping for u! get to work! i need my wvw build now!)

Silverkey.2078:

No!!!! Maim!!!!!
Couldn’t they just reduce duration? Half is just…. sad
They already nerfed torment as a condition compared to last week’s announce (the passive at least), now we just can’t apply torment anyway…

yeah its a shame. a reduction would have been sufficient. i still see decent ways of applying torment though, but i cant say much yet as i havent tested out the condi build i have in mind.

Sebrent.3625:

@Curunen:
I’m horribly confused why you’re having such an issue with this …

I didn’t ever call out any of your posts … in fact yours were far more reasonable than others.

“teen agnst” was directed at Pyro, not you … due to his post history here … not just recent.

I’m confused that you feel the need to state how long you’ve been here given that no one has claimed anything about your time here or your memory.

Overall, I’m just confused by your post … it’s like you’re taking everything said to anyone and redirecting it yourself and replying to that … you’re a Mesmer, not an iDefender ;-)

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@Fay:
Claiming that no one has shown evidence is not saying that it didn’t happen. The rest of your logic is taking “leaps” … it’s sorely lacking.

Stating “wait and see” is not denying that it will ever happen. It is saying “stop being a rage filled child and see if it actually happens”.

You can continue to try to play with words, but your post history and banned account are both there as great, concrete facts about who you are and what you do.

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Continue being proud of your tantrums over things real and imagined.

can u like stop attacking pyro?!? pyro has always been helpful and yes he got banned because he stood up for the mesmer community. u are free to have an opinion, but personally attacking pyro makes me not even wanna listen to anything u have to say. if u have constructive input that doent attack others or complains about pyro, feel free to add that otherwise u are wasting your breath!

omg thank you!! That one was a big thing for me as i play mainly wvw and the thought of having to roam pve for hours worried me.

Randulf.7614:

Ricky.4706:

!! May your camels walk without fleas!

Mounts confirmed!

u made me just spit out my coffee. hahahaha. thanks i needed a good laugh :-)

Ambika.6257:

selan.8354:

honestly atm it feels like we betatested the game for the past 3 years so the new players can have fun. meanwhile we went through horrible balance issues(arrowcarts buff….), terrible bugs(remember chaosstorm debacle), terrible lag issue, culling, bots and exploits, hackers and everything. we bought gems shared our ideas etc. ….and all we get is this lousy tshirt called HOT bundle…..

That’s a little unfair considering the scope of the game and how well they have remedied some of these situations (especially in the bot area!) Every game has bugs and needs constant babysitting/fixing. Balance issues in GW1 were happening almost up until GW2 was released! Don’t complain about how much the core game sucked and then expect more for enduring your hellish experience. I might take this comment differently if you had first told everyone how much you enjoyed it instead of how much you hated it.

dont get me wrong, i did enjoy the game, even met my husband on gw2. but we have invested a ton in this game. its not like we bought it and enjoyed the free gameplay. we actually wanted to help improve it and did support it. getting this bundle thrown into our face like that just doesnt feel well for me, at all.

abc.5790:

selan.8354:

abc.5790:

Eurhetemec.9052:

abc.5790:

$50 expansion may seem expensive to some but it’s still very reasonable.

Very reasonable by what standard? It’s expensive for an expansion, period. It’s very expensive for an expansion that does not let you play all the content without deleting a character or buying a new slot for another $10.

I think it’s just your opinion that it’s “very reasonable”, not a fact so you may want to chew on that.

abc.5790:

Why does it bother “veterans” that new customers get the base for free? If you’re a so called veteran, you had a 3 year head start. You experienced content that’s now retired, content that will never be enjoyed by the new buyer.

Simple fairness when we’re paying money for something. It’s not complicated.

My bad, I didn’t know people on here were ignorant on the price ranges of gaming expansions. Is this your first game?

$50 is reasonable because it is within the range of a typical expansion.
$5000000000000000 is unreasonable though.

why do u even argue if u do not want to understand why veterans and others are upset? u like the deal ok thats fine and im glad u like it, but me and others arent.
i get that u are happy, but u cant change how we who are upset feel:

to ALL u white knights out there:

1. u cannot change how i feel about this deal
2. yes i have played the game for 3 years and so has my husband. and we invested way more than the initial price on this game and have always supported this game. so the argument about: well u had the game for free, now new players get it for free whats your issue? well u obviously dont want to understand the issue!

3 u can not force me to be quiet

4 u cant expect everyone to shut up and just accept things

5. as i have an opinion about the pricing, so do u. difference: im not trying to force my opinion on u. u wanna buy it at 50$ thats fine, enjoy! but i personally wont shut up, because i am unhappy and u cannot change this at all.

6. u are not anet and honestly, the only one who can change the way we who are upset feel is ANET and only ANET. white knights that call us names just make us even more upset.

Well no one is asking you to buy it and if you cant afford it that’s your problem.

Play fair and don’t tell people to shut up.

You exercise your right to state your opinion. So I exercise my right to have an opinion about your opinion.

erm did i state that i cannot afford it? i didnt say to shut up. but u are still attacking me for being a different opinion. u think its a good deal…fine thats your opinion. i think its a terrible deal!

honestly atm it feels like we betatested the game for the past 3 years so the new players can have fun. meanwhile we went through horrible balance issues(arrowcarts buff….), terrible bugs(remember chaosstorm debacle), terrible lag issue, culling, bots and exploits, hackers and everything. we bought gems shared our ideas etc. ….and all we get is this lousy tshirt called HOT bundle…..

abc.5790:

Eurhetemec.9052:

abc.5790:

$50 expansion may seem expensive to some but it’s still very reasonable.

Very reasonable by what standard? It’s expensive for an expansion, period. It’s very expensive for an expansion that does not let you play all the content without deleting a character or buying a new slot for another $10.

I think it’s just your opinion that it’s “very reasonable”, not a fact so you may want to chew on that.

abc.5790:

Why does it bother “veterans” that new customers get the base for free? If you’re a so called veteran, you had a 3 year head start. You experienced content that’s now retired, content that will never be enjoyed by the new buyer.

Simple fairness when we’re paying money for something. It’s not complicated.

My bad, I didn’t know people on here were ignorant on the price ranges of gaming expansions. Is this your first game?

$50 is reasonable because it is within the range of a typical expansion.
$5000000000000000 is unreasonable though.

why do u even argue if u do not want to understand why veterans and others are upset? u like the deal ok thats fine and im glad u like it, but me and others arent.
i get that u are happy, but u cant change how we who are upset feel:

to ALL u white knights out there:

1. u cannot change how i feel about this deal
2. yes i have played the game for 3 years and so has my husband. and we invested way more than the initial price on this game and have always supported this game. so the argument about: well u had the game for free, now new players get it for free whats your issue? well u obviously dont want to understand the issue!

3 u can not force me to be quiet

4 u cant expect everyone to shut up and just accept things

5. as i have an opinion about the pricing, so do u. difference: im not trying to force my opinion on u. u wanna buy it at 50$ thats fine, enjoy! but i personally wont shut up, because i am unhappy and u cannot change this at all.

6. u are not anet and honestly, the only one who can change the way we who are upset feel is ANET and only ANET. white knights that call us names just make us even more upset.

Yargesh.4965:

My veteran eyes think it is a really good thing that the base game is free to those joining now.
My veteran eyes have seen a lot of cool things in game over the years, no regrets.
My veteran eyes watched as my veteran hands typed my veteran credit card number.

and u are posting this because…? u wanna start a fight with everyone here or flame the OP? cause that is the only reason

Arantheal.7396:

Dinks.2478:

Arantheal.7396:

Veteran here.
I don’t agree with OP.
Stop speaking on my behalf.
Ty.

He said and I quote “From the eyes of a veteran” Not “From the eyes of veterans”. And I as a veteran agree with him so we’re 2 against 1 so far. Guess you can take your toxic nonsense elsewhere until you have something relevant to say.

Is it toxic to point out that I don’t like to be thrown into a boat from a guy that I don’t know, about a topic that I further have a opposing opinion about?

And in case you don’t understand semantics, if he states that this situation from the eyes of a veteran appears like that, then that includes my eyes as well, which is a false statement for my person.

no but your tone is especially since u didnt even bother to read properly.

veteran here
i agree with OP
i dont feel like u are speaking in my behalf , but u are understanding why vets are mad
ty

Vayne.8563:

echo.2053:

Maybe you can answer this for the round table of white knights – What does it really matter to you if existing players are asking for a cheaper base expansion price? how does that affect you in the long run?

still can’t answer this vayne Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q

I don’t have a problem with people asking for a cheaper price. I don’t have a problem with people not being satisfied with what’s on offer so far. I don’t even believe it was right for Anet not to include a character slot in the base version. I think it should have come with a character slot.

I have a problem with threads that circumvent forum rules to emulate curse words when the same thing could have been said in a reaosnable manner. Sometimes it’s all about tone. Maybe I’m just old and used to a different level of decorum. I should probably stay off the net.

no honestly u are just in every single thread atm attacking everyone who is not your opinion. like u want us to blindly accept ant follow anet even if we feel bad about it, how about u give up as u cant change how someone feels about something if u dont even wanna try to understand why we are upset. u just say no u are all wrong and anet is great and u should stop whining and complaing and vets shouldnt feel bad about this..etc.
who are u again to tell me how i have to see something?

yeah i think ill sit this one out. anet has not even tried to explain and is simply hope that we all calm down accept it and buy it. sorry but for me and my husband who are both vets it would cost us both 75 australian dollars each, because we both do need a character slot. and then there is fallout 4 around the corner… yeah anet obviously only wants new players.

after having a ton of nerfs that made multiple builds and the wvw mes non viable and then the 100+ bugs in the past. Im happy to see changes that will bring the class back to wvw and hopefully pve aswell. we needed the changes and yes all the buffs seem well justified. if anything needs nerfing, we’ll see after some time.

honestly i think they didnt. i think they thought we would blindly buy their obviously overprice expansion without much resistance. but they knew it was too expensive thats why they quickly added the core game to it to make it look like a great deal(which it only is for new players)