Guild Wars 2

Khal Drogo.9631:

Shockwave.1230:

Do other classes really cause interrupt better than a mesmer? I can’t think of any class that’s better at interrupting than a mesmer.

A thief loses it’s dps if it focuses on interrupts.
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7k pistol whip is good enough DPS for me.

and we got the fist winner of easy 25 stacks! mesmer glam traits btw never lasted even close to 10 sec. most glams last 5s. this rune is an absolute slap in a mesmers face! if anet doesent nerf this, it will look like anet is trying to delete mesmers from the game! and sry i main a mesmer. mesmer gets destroyed like that=no reason for me to play again!

Xavi.6591:

It’s funny how these runes are better for other classes than Mesmers. Thieves can get 25 stacks of confusion easily on their target using these runes.

Another slap in the face for Mesmers.

yeah huge slap in the face, as we had to give up soo much and alone wouldn’t even before the nerf be able to get 25 stacks, now 1 rune allows every other class to easily stack confusion. this is an absoute joke and if anet doesent change this soon, i honestly think this is gonna change the entire balance system and strengthen every other class than mesmers!

me neither as my interrupts are not that great for wvw, but other classes will be abusing this till it get fixed.

they have to change this rune! a rune should not give every class that uses it access to a new condition. it is ok if it does inflict a few stacks, but with cooldown and definitely not through interruption. aoue interruption is way easier to access by other classes than mesmer and therefor this rune actually hurts the mesmer class a lot with this. i know it will strengthen cond. mesmers too, but like this it actually destroys a lot about our class.
mesmers should be masters of confusion not only as a condition, but also in general. making confusion accessable like this to all classes…… im sure its not intended ANET!

Thesilentflute.8761:

It should work in wvw its not like the portal gun where you could shoot the portal. Hell the only reason I even played my mesmer so long was because of portal. There is no such thing as a perma stealth thief anymore that was an exploit in which a thief could use a keep wall to stealth it has since been fixed.

you kidding right? permastealth still exists anand thieves are still trolling keeps and no portal should not work in wvw.

Osicat.4139:

Testing atm ALOT, and its extremly suprising ressult. I been melting faces al evening in a rate I not seen before. Might see a update to my guide on the condi setup in the comming days. I usualy want minimum 1 weeks testing before I update the guide thu.

/Osicat

yeah if u go condition confusion spec it is a good support, but like i said other classes can easily stack it now. there is no cooldown and u get like 5 stacks for 10 seconds.

actually no it puts 5 stacks of confusion during 10sec (+30%) to anything you interrupt……

there is no cooldowns! and btw our interrupts are great for 1v1 but nowhere near what other classes can do with aoe interrupts

meh i had 100 saved up soo i went ahead and bought the cattonic. :-)

soo after the mas confusion nerf, that hit condition mesmers extremely hard as it is pretty much the only true condition we can viably stack, anet comes out with a rune.

this rune is majorly changing balance as now every class gets free access to viable confusion stacking through interrupts! i mean we had to kitten spec into glams and give up so much for viable stacking.

a warrior can stack confusion in mass now, rangers, necros, thieves , simply every single class can do it easily.

a rune should not be a free ticket to massstacking a new condition, it should buff the condition and give a chance of inflicting confusion not 10 sec of confusion on interrupts.
anet this is not ok! u have weakend the mesmer already enough and now u take it’s condition where we were supposed to be specialized in and give it to everyone for free.

it’s not ok at all. this rune is way too powerful the way it is and shouldnt give every class free access to a new condition.

i mean a glam mesmer gave up everything in order to get high stacks of confusion. no dps, long cd’s limited traitline and u nerfed it all and now this?!?!

dont u realize that there are classes out there that have tons of interrupts? so what is the role of the mesmer now?
veilbot?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

selan.8354:

just saying 5 warriors or 3 necros perma 10seconds 25 stack confusions by non confusion classes.

it needs a cooldown or we have confusion wars 2 by caused by non mesmers!

Yeah. I wish they would STOP balancing content and bring in other people to do it, they have NO idea what they are doing.

yep thats my point. the rune seems good, but it is way op for other classes that have multiple interruts. 10 seconds is too long, it needs a cooldown and it makes necros even more powerful in wvw.
what were they thinking?

it is so easy to stack for them now! a rune should not be a free pass to a new condition and 25 stack of it! mesmers are the confusiong class, but now warriors can easily top our stacks and necros that already have access to soo many conditions, get confusion now too. and they all can stack it for 10 seconds per interrupt. are u kidding me.

so this rune takes something that was supposed to be a mesmer specialty and gives it to EVERY other class that can now viably stack it. not to mention the stronges condition a mesmer could get and stack and had to kitten spec into it to get kitten stacks, no now every other class can mass stack it while doing knockbacks , knockdowns and all their cc’s!

a rune shouldent mean free access to confusion it should buff confusion and condition dmg, and duration and have a chance to inflict confusion stacks not guaranteed 10sec confusion on interrupts!

just saying 5 warriors or 3 necros perma 10seconds 25 stack confusions by non confusion classes.

it needs a cooldown or we have confusion wars 2 by caused by non mesmers!

Xavi.6591:

Hardbrain.8067:

The main problem I find with this rune to take maximum advantage of the total set [6) 15% confusion duration (causes 10 seconds of confusion on interrupt] is that the interrupts traits are all in Domination (II, XII + Dazzling, Wastrel Punishment), Dueling (XII) and Chaos (VIII, XI).

So it’s very difficult to have a build/armor set that is hybrid between power and confusion and be effective.

Don’t forget Focus pull is an AOE interrupt.

yeah 1 aoe pull ….warriors have a ton. so i gues they are the new glam now!watever anet …..

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

Hardbrain.8067:

The main problem I find with this rune to take maximum advantage of the total set [6) 15% confusion duration (causes 10 seconds of confusion on interrupt] is that the interrupts traits are all in Domination (II, XII + Dazzling, Wastrel Punishment), Dueling (XII) and Chaos (VIII, XI).

So it’s very difficult to have a build/armor set that is hybrid between power and confusion and be effective.

yeah not to mention that any other class can interrupt way better and therefore is now the better confusion dealer. well done anet! now confusion is easy to stack for professions that arent actually ment to be experts for confusion! ugh

If you look at runes as a whole they pretty much are designed to give other classes abilities that others have inherently. I wont say all runes are like that but there are alot of runes where you can see the bonuses are extremely common to traits.

As far as interrupts you don’t have to try to interrupt just think of the 6 piece as a bonus a awesome passive effect then just play normal. It really isn’t hard to get good confusion stacks on people with this as a mesmer. The only other classes I can see getting close to as many stacks as a mesmer are warriors with their distracting strikes trait and and engi’s.

I do feel that any professions condition damage build that ran runes of the undead this rune is the bis now. Really they should take runes like afflicted and others and give it a chance to proc on hit (instead of you getting hit) that would put them on par with this rune. The 4 piece bonus is really the gem here.

what about necros?they will try to get fear to work with this…..that would destroy groups in wvw even more with all the additional conditions they can apply. and then on interrupts? i mean wtf? most of the other runes have like 90 sec cd’s this one will trigger all the time, no cd, no nothing just another free thing that mesmers could use and used to be specialized in. so what are we now?
veilbots?twarp bots? portal bots?is there anything that makes us complete specialists in one area?
so then i want a rune that gives me the ability to do a 8k backstap, or a rune that gives me a necro mark, and a rune that gives me binding roots, and a permastealth rune , and all that oh and i would like to be able to stack burning up to 9 stacks too!

Necro’s are already using the rune (I have it on my necro also) the only interrupt necro’s have that proc the 6th piece bonus of the rune is warhorn and spectral grasp(30 sec cd not traited).

The gem is the 4 piece for a necro the 6 piece won’t get much mileage from a condi necro because most condi necros run off hand dagger because transferring 3 conditions to the enemy 900 range on a weapon skill with 18 sec cooldown is to good to give up for the warhorn stun that requires you to be in 600 range and most condi necro’s don’t want to be at 600 range unless they are in DS.

Fear says interrupt but it doesn’t actually count as a interrupt when it comes to the purpose of these runes. Neither does warriors fear or the fear that thieves steal.

From playing it on my necro it’s ok but not spectacular I will probably switch my necro back to 5 engineer 1 crest of rabid because I like the extra toughness over what really amounts to 3 stacks of confusion for 10 secs on a 15 sec cd. As a mesmer we all know 3 stacks of confusion really isn’t much, though for a necro is makes a decent cover condi.

ugh as if necros didnt have an overload of condis anyways. condfusion was supposed to be mesmers speciality and now its not, so everyone else can stack it better than us. great anet one more thing u take away…next will be clones!

oZii.2864:

selan.8354:

Hardbrain.8067:

The main problem I find with this rune to take maximum advantage of the total set [6) 15% confusion duration (causes 10 seconds of confusion on interrupt] is that the interrupts traits are all in Domination (II, XII + Dazzling, Wastrel Punishment), Dueling (XII) and Chaos (VIII, XI).

So it’s very difficult to have a build/armor set that is hybrid between power and confusion and be effective.

yeah not to mention that any other class can interrupt way better and therefore is now the better confusion dealer. well done anet! now confusion is easy to stack for professions that arent actually ment to be experts for confusion! ugh

If you look at runes as a whole they pretty much are designed to give other classes abilities that others have inherently. I wont say all runes are like that but there are alot of runes where you can see the bonuses are extremely common to traits.

As far as interrupts you don’t have to try to interrupt just think of the 6 piece as a bonus a awesome passive effect then just play normal. It really isn’t hard to get good confusion stacks on people with this as a mesmer. The only other classes I can see getting close to as many stacks as a mesmer are warriors with their distracting strikes trait and and engi’s.

I do feel that any professions condition damage build that ran runes of the undead this rune is the bis now. Really they should take runes like afflicted and others and give it a chance to proc on hit (instead of you getting hit) that would put them on par with this rune. The 4 piece bonus is really the gem here.

what about necros?they will try to get fear to work with this…..that would destroy groups in wvw even more with all the additional conditions they can apply. and then on interrupts? i mean wtf? most of the other runes have like 90 sec cd’s this one will trigger all the time, no cd, no nothing just another free thing that mesmers could use and used to be specialized in. so what are we now?
veilbots?twarp bots? portal bots?is there anything that makes us complete specialists in one area?
so then i want a rune that gives me the ability to do a 8k backstap, or a rune that gives me a necro mark, and a rune that gives me binding roots, and a permastealth rune , and all that oh and i would like to be able to stack burning up to 9 stacks too!

oi i only managed to defeat 2 of them the 3rd one is the tornado lady and i get just thrown around like crazy. my mes does not have much stability so….i gave up

aspirine.6852:

Lol @ this topic…

pretty much this… it’s a machine and has a female look, so what?

Hardbrain.8067:

The main problem I find with this rune to take maximum advantage of the total set [6) 15% confusion duration (causes 10 seconds of confusion on interrupt] is that the interrupts traits are all in Domination (II, XII + Dazzling, Wastrel Punishment), Dueling (XII) and Chaos (VIII, XI).

So it’s very difficult to have a build/armor set that is hybrid between power and confusion and be effective.

yeah not to mention that any other class can interrupt way better and therefore is now the better confusion dealer. well done anet! now confusion is easy to stack for professions that arent actually ment to be experts for confusion! ugh

erm im a little worried. u guys are aware of the fact that warriors can do tons of stacks of confusion with that new rune. erm how many interrupts do we have again?compared to other classes?

i think its ridiculus that a warrior that has high dps already and toughness, now also gets to inflict 9 stacks of confusion with no problem, whereas confusion kinda is a mesmer thing as we are kinda the confusing class as kinda stated by anet and most of our interrups are not hitting multiple targets, are more single targeted, soo other classes can stack aoe confusion without problems and i feel kinda kittenhurt by this.

and necros already want their chainfear to work as interrupts so they can inflict mass confusion next to their mass conditions! first anet nerf us to the ground and now every other class has easier access to confusion that us(talking wvw here not 1v1 as our interrupts are 1v1 based) and there are portals now for eveyone too….hmm whats next?the new duplicate skill:allows every class to create a duplicate of himself to confuse the enemy!

or maybe just me being worried

woah barely lootbags!wtf? anet fix this!

oh no not my lootbags!in wvw u have to deal with crappy loot already if they stelthnerf that, where is the fun?

i think 20 seconds is too much anyways. i expected a 10-15 sec icd. but yeah i agree that it should work on all heals!

it is unplayable, i dont see anything. its worse than culling, its super culling. i’ve reset my graphics right after the patch and now i don’t see any aoe, idk where waterfields,nullfields are,idk where any enemy fields are, i either die, because i stepped on something i didnt see ore we win and watch a firework slideshow 20 seconds after we are done. and btw if u have done the new pve event, check the centaur champ and im sure u are wondering what killed u…well it was his aoe which u didnt see at all!

please anet fix this asap

u gotta see it this way:
wvw=broke, no gold, no weaponskins, no nothing, u spend a lot of money on food,siege, upgrades.
now pve brings a patch where u actually can make money, get mats, get skins… guess whats in my head right now:

“soo i farm 2 more hours and i can buy more superior siege, upgrades and have a pretty weapon”

wiiiiin! :-)

yup we all gave up after an hour trying to fight a zerg. i cant dodge the circles as i dont see them, idk if we have waterfields, idk where we put nullfields down, peple dont see feedbacks, nothing. sry but we never asked for this. give us at least an option to turn it back on!id rather play with lag! please fix this fast(not in 2 weeks, i mean very fast please). wvw is absolutely unplayable like this!

yeah something is wrong with the graphics. mine were suddenly set to lowest of the low and when i went back to my usual set up. everything looked still choppy and bad.yes i keep my settings lower in wvw due to lag issues, but it never looked this bad

i think on a single target u do have chances to apply conditions and yes i love torment, but i was more referring to condition apply to multiple targets like with glam. reflection is pretty good in wvw, but i always feel like im lacking something.
in wvw a few necros can pretty much turn a chokepoint into a death trap.

well anyways, im hoping the new skills and traits open the path to many new builds!

the thing is that there is not much diversity in builds for most of the classes. lots of builds are not viable vs others so naturally everyone chooses the one build that is the mot powerful. if there was more builds, it would make pvp way more interesting. if we simply nerf every build it will lead to the next op meta…
we need buffs first, before we nerf. i mean rangers without the spirit build are going right back to bottom tier, same with necros. how about buffing classes like warriors at the right place. and also spvp and wvw needs to be split again as certain stuff in spvp seems up while it is extreemly powerful in wvw and certain things in wvw are up while they are very strong in spvp.

woah 6 hours!omg does that mean they actually gonna test everything?too bad this falls right into the timeframe of wvw time with my guild :-(………

Rerroll.9083:

Elementalist is one of the weakest classes in the current meta. It has been nerfed too much while the other classes received new builds and many buffs.

Eles have been nerfed month after month because anet only balances according to the forums QQs, and there were many towards ele.

With every balance patch this game is more unbalanced, and anet will realize after they see the soloq ladders full of necromancers, rangers and thieves

agree with u very much. ele’s have gotten nerfed very badly, patch after patch, same with mesmers. people cried soo much about us, that anet listened and removed too much while other classes recieved buffs. now our classes cant keep up with the meta.

if anet would have buffed classes before nerfing us, this wouldnt have happened.

Levitas.1953:

selan.8354:

i dont get why 1 class gets given every single condition in the game appart from 1 and that one got nerfed to the ground.

You may want to check how many conditions mesmers can apply.

Pick up a condition build and try. If you still cant kill him a least you wont die.

i have a condition build! we have other conditions, but they are either rng based or weapon based(like bleed on staff/trident). burn is 3 stacks every 30 sec with torch(hard to stack), poison only if staff equipped(rng based chaosstorm, every 35 seconds), then u got some clone traits,that apply a random condition… thats not my idea of a condition build. they are really hard to stack.
mesmers were masters of confusion, now their main condition is worth nothing. we give up any kind of direct dmg if we spec into it.

glam was specific and one could spec into it(wouldnt recommend that in spvp though as it is more for multiple targets). i knew when i put nullfield down and feedback and pull a target through the fields, i could get nice stacks of confusion and it would deal dmg. now it tickles the enemy.

Hexxen.7216:

I can take them in WvW because I run Melandru and Traited Torch but in PvP I never face a necro alone because there is very little chance of survival with the new condition meta.

yup in wvw u can run with food so it easier to take a necro down. after the last 2 patches i went to spvp and decided to back of necros…..

Torras.8406:

I think duels in sPvP is fairer than in WvW.
And you will see a real strong man on duel.

oh sry thats probably why.. seee in wvw women duel too….;-P

but honestly in wvw u got completely different stats and food and gear, so thats why

err atm in spvp u might wanna run when u see one….your condition cleaners arent fast enough to deal with the massconditions put on u. i dont get why 1 class gets given every single condition in the game appart from 1 and that one got nerfed to the ground.
but if u decide to fight. be quick and try to make him wast his stronges conditionspikes, then attack…..

jportell.2197:

So far no team that has been in the NA tournament for pax. Has a single mesmer. Not one single mesmer that I have seen

yeah anet seems satisfied. they didnt want mesmers in the tourney to begin with, thats why all tose major nerfs and then all the buffs for other classes…..and then they came out with the necro patch..anet devs nod satisfied: “mission accomplished!”

i see the op’s point though. yesterday when jq had the entire mapat around 2am pst i was wondering what they wanted to do next as they already have everything. we were teamed up with mag and eb one time and at night when our oceanics starts, we owned most of the maps and it was boring. but we are a t2 server not t1. right now a t1 server i matched up with a t2 and t3 server. last week was better as db has a good sea coverage and at least gave jq something to do.

but if u are bored, u might wanna try a different server for a few weeks so u can get more challenge than just 1 giant blob and a smaller blob taking an entire map within 30 min(apart from garrison, we like to turtle up there ;-)

well u are on jq…sooo erm i see u guys out with 50to 60 man zergs on each map. if u dont want queues then might wanna switch servers. increasing the map cap would cause servers like u to steamroll every map in less than 10 minutes, where is the fun in that?

engineer has alot of skills that mesmers have, but easier access, but there is a few things that make us unique. i would love to get a few new things so we are not looked at as veilbots

refelction is pretty good though

i want a whip for mesmers!;-)

and i would love to get daggers

hmm ill give anet some more time for sure,so far im still having fun with my guildies, but yeah we need updates for wvw soon.big ones! hmmm but once this is out……wvw lovers will move.

Deniara Devious.3948:

I am a WvWvW player, so these comments are about WvWvW, not spvp/tpvp:

Mesmers are still very much part of the meta in WvWvW. Good commanders frequently request to have their team veiled. And it is not uncommon to see several veils chained. Few days ago we used 3 mesmers and chained portals to capture enemy keep while being outnumbered just few days ago. Time stop and null field are also frequently used and requested by some commanders. All these are very strong utility skills. No other profession can bring anything like portal.

yeah wvw player here. errm i am not a veilbot, nor a portalchain, nor a kitten tw bot! i wanna be able to contribute to the zergfights as well as all the otherclasses(and btw im sure there is thieves out there that would like to do something else than gank and kill dolyaks)

all of these are mainly support skills and i would like some viable aoe, viable condition and not be a glasscanon. in wvw u need some toughness if u are going for keeps.
if u want to roam im sure your spvp/tpvp build and gear will work.

but yes i agree that spvp balance has destroyed wvw balance!
@Jzaku if they would nerf mesmer dmg and change all the things u complained about, that would render the mesmer useless in wvwv. like i said u need toughness u need swiftness and ways to hit a zerg and be able to run away.

Hockey.2417:

hmmmmm trbbing from Citedel spawn, bad Mag Bad(exploit “wat”)

yep was there and saw that too

Celeras.4980:

Overreaction both ways. When everyone said Mesmers were OP, they weren’t. Now everyone says they’re garbage, and they aren’t.

This isn’t the game doing this; it’s the players. Cool your jets.

i dont think we are garbage and i will always main a mesmer, but we do need condition buffs(less rng, more ctual stacking possibilities), we also need more reliable condition removals, that cant be interrupted that easily. also a lot of our skills do get interrupted and need to be looked at. i think te main problem is that anet kept nerfing us, kept buffing other classes and that created the big metashift.
lets hope the next patch brings some love for the mesmer.

insanemaniac.2456:

Laii.2780:

There is not much good counter siege to Omega Golem rush^^;.
Most Ac’s have to be in range of their missiles to be able to hit them.
Best thing to do is to have Sup.Trebs set up behind gates so you can hit them over the walls without the Golems ever hitting your trebs~

2-3 reflect walls
quit hittin yourself

but youre right, it aint a siege based counter

yep feedback is epic on omegas. they keep hitting themselves

4…?weird u sure?never had 4 clones up and i played mesmer for like 1.9k hours

well after all the nerfs, it’s time to buff the mesmer again and maybe its time to give the mesmer its role back that it had in gw1. i would love to get more punishing skills.

hmmm killshot has barely hit me so far. yeah it hurts if someone lands a killshot on you, but if u are not full glasscannon or upleveled u should be fine.

i love my hounds of balthazar though!:-)

Pyroatheist.9031:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Pyroatheist.9031:

If they 1shot you with 8,149 damage, I’d like to know how you lowered the minimum health on the mesmer by about 6 thousand.

Failure to read aye Pyro? He was “one shotted” from half health.

Anyway 8k’s nothing. I wakitten for 11k with at least 2900 armor. Sneaky backline warrior trying to take me out.

The op edited his post somewhat.

agreed, i read it before u responded and thought 8k…wait a minute…

Spectre.6452:

selan.8354:

Luisedgm.2375:

I don’t even care how it is fixed, i just want to have a viable condition build!

yeah me too as a mesmer i have now with 1.7k condition dmg…a condition that tickles the enemy and doesnt stack due to bb nerf and he socalled bugfix…bye bye confusion and the rest of conditions is pretty much rng based…anet, sry but change it. this is terribleand i think EVERY single class should have a viable condition. and with viable i mean strong enough, so i don’t need to be forced into a dps with a little bit condi build, i wan A REAL CONDITION BUILD!

I’m starting to get this feeling, that it is not condition builds in general that are unviable, but certain build paths on certain professions. I have tried condition damage thief for a long time now, and with much success(it was fun too). Most people who complain on the conditions being underpowered are usually necromancers or mesmers. I think the problem is within those two classes, rather than the conditions themselves.

I’m not sure where you are getting at, because confusion still stacks in intensity. Confusion was nerfed with good reason. And what do you mean conditions are rng based?

it dosent stack well at all. as bb was nerfed and that was 1 of the major traits that mad confusion stack.then with rng based i mean stuff like chaosstorm that applies something random which i cant control, traits that cause a random condition when shattered and a sigil that applies a random boon. mesmers have nothing apart from confusion. thieves have poison and i have seen a pretty good bleed build. if u spec into glams as a mesmers u have no power and or anything else that will hit viably, but that was a choice we made. we gave up power to deal condition dmg.

actually the 25 percent is still not enough due to the bb nerf! the bb nerf already hit confusion builds very hard and then the “fixed” something about a bug and now where are we at? all we have seen was nerfs nerfs nerfs and a few useless(appart from torment that i love btw…probably is gonna get nerfed soon too)buffs. then i am happy nullfield got buffed…so what is anet gonna nerf next?