Guild Wars 2

its a nation wide quaggan holiday and then they have lunchbreack when a zerg comes by and also movie nights when the golems swim by.

but i dont think they are doing anything. only the ones sent to the keeps attack.

<———wvw player: “ohh pve inside joke gottcha…”

Luisedgm.2375:

I don’t even care how it is fixed, i just want to have a viable condition build!

yeah me too as a mesmer i have now with 1.7k condition dmg…a condition that tickles the enemy and doesnt stack due to bb nerf and he socalled bugfix…bye bye confusion and the rest of conditions is pretty much rng based…anet, sry but change it. this is terribleand i think EVERY single class should have a viable condition. and with viable i mean strong enough, so i don’t need to be forced into a dps with a little bit condi build, i wan A REAL CONDITION BUILD!

yeah can i get a dragon for wvw? im so tired of using rams

could get abused and spies could log in, go claim the keep and refuse every upgrade people try to make…

Lenador.1436:

Sigh, SoS/DB/SOS thread so dead Q.Q im just gonna continue piggybacking here

welcome!:-)……….

hmm im not much of an spvp player, i only play wvw, but sometimes i liked to join spvp when our matchups got stale or we had only 10ppt. so i havent changed my build, but before the last 2 patches, i was doing alright in spvp and had really good surviivability.
i always carry either nullfield or arcanethievery with me(kinda used to it from wvw), but for the last few times, i felt completely up and kept getting facerolled by mainly necros and rangers…. i still got some kills, but it was very tough!

i barely see mesmers in spvp and the ones i see get facerolled….seems like the meta shifted like in wvw(apart form rangers….)

when u run to catch the train and when u see the doors closing in front of u u scream “Does anyone have a portal in?”

noticed that when i ran with an ele in cof. every boss chased her we ended up aggroing the boss first, but the moment she got closer and hit him once, he immediately changed target and went after her…maybe a certain attack triggers it.

i had that with my mesmer in orr once. the champion only attacked me and even after i respawned and ran back, he dropped everything and came after me. people found it funny so they placed me at a safe spot but so te champion could see me and he kept trying to kill me,but couldnt reach, while everyone hit him.

errr not following…wat?
wvw
pve
spvp

lala land….?

well, yes, wvw is getting boring and the matchups are stale, as megazergs of 60 people will steamroll everything and no siege can stop that.t1 servers fall down to t2 and will face barely challenge and all wvw supports is giant zergs.
then there is balance issues. the necro meta, and guardian /warrior trains plus permastealth, that makes it a little frustrating.

but i agree we need more than mastery,
we need maps,
new keeps,
new upgrades,
new ways to counter giant zergs.
wvw balanced classes not spvp balance classes.
make the keeps more meaningful, not just a keep that gets flipped every hour or 2
make it harder to get through to a keep, there is wayyyyy too much open space with pve monsters.

that being said, i do still find fun with my guild. when all of us are on, we are having a blast. so being in a good guild will keep me in gw2. but please anet DO SOMETHING.

and now u can try out wvw….

no confusion should not be in comparison to a power/crit, but the bb nerf and the 50 percent was way too much and now we cant spec into it anymore eventhough our traits would allow a glam build. glam build was fun to play as it was more aoe based. u would not deal any dmg apart from confusion and reflection as your power was around 900. i like conditions, but i dont want to play a necro…sry its not my type of class as i dislike dead stuff and all that. it’s just not me, but glam was me and i miss it!

if it needed a nerf, then the bb nerf was sufficient, but to be quite honest confusion should not be treated like other conditions, as it doesnt trigger if u dont attack and it is hard to stack(not for an engi they could get higher confusion in 1 hit than we could) now after the nerf in wvw (and im only talking wvw here so no spvp comments to this please) people get a slight tickle if hit with confusion, that barely stacks and with food and givers and 1.7k condition dmg, i barely get anything. the ticks are 216, 216, 216,0,0,0,0,,456,456,0,0,0,and maybe if i get luck 1k…..

check out kylias and pyros new builds

yes i play a mesmer and yes i gave her sexy clothes, but i do not see why u gotta make a thread about this. i could also say most teenagers will main a thief to feel like a real assassin that is uncatchable and most of the guys main a warrior or a guardian because they like heavy armor!
i also have a guardian, warrior and ele and there is guys that main a female mesmer, there is girls that main a male norn guardian and have a commandertag in wvw!
and just FYI:
“girls like sexy light armor and love the skimpy look” my male friend mains a female mesmer that he puts into the skimpiest armor there is
“girls pick rangers to have cute pets” my male friend mains a female half naked ranger with all the cute pets and loves to turn into a quaggan and recently purchased the endless cattonic ;-)

so please guys could u stop stereotyping us? ty! im a pvp kinda person and was in clans for years and, no not hello kitty online… first person shooters!

Galtrix.7369:

I play a Thief as my main now because of the massive advantage that stealth gives me in PvP and in PvE. I get too hurt in PvE? Pop on an everlasting stealth and let my health regenerate while my enemies’ health doesn’t regenerate. I see an enemy in PvP? Pop on a stealth and chase them down, hurt them significantly, and if they decide to fight back, I pop on another stealth and stab them in the back.

Anet seriously needs to learn how to balance classes though. Rangers/Engineers are in the trashcan at the moment because their damage is so terrible. I kind of gave up on Rangers since Guild Wars 1. I played a Ranger, complained multiple times that it needed a damage boost, and never received a single response back. Turns out that I shouldn’t have just left my Ranger. I should’ve just left the game.

yup i think the reason people complain is wvw as a lot of thieves gain too many advantages through stealth. permastealth is way to op in this game.

i do like some of the solutions the op described. taking more dmg in stealth, decreased movement speed in stealth or revealed if hit sound pretty good(not all of them at once of course) the problem is that the thief is to fast, and invisible and then hits u pretty hard. its a broken gamemechanic. but anet can not simply fix it because the nerf would make that class quickly up. therefore anet has to buff the thief in certain areas first, before stealth can be changed.

yeah how about u implement this before september ;-)

yes i still play mine and always will. it has gotten way harder to survive lately, but i wont give up my mesmer and maybe we will get a buff that gives us a new build diversity.if u check the mesmer forums u will find the builds that are still viable.

welcome back! thieves are in stealth(i think they are doing an undercover thing and dont want to be found,shhhh…they will only come out for 3 minutes total a day, so make sure u have a camera ready) and mesmers…oh well we got nerfed pretty hard….confusion got completely destroyed by anet, then they nerfed retal, and phantasm builds…but hey we got a 1v1 torent skill on our scepter 2 …yaaaaaaaaay……

necros, warriors and guardians are the new meta. the stun lock, permafear, insta condition kill u and well they pretty much stomp u in the ground…

but there is the newest class the omega golem class they have the slowest mobility in the game, but i am sure in 2 months when anet gives us a new epic huuuuuge wvw update, we will get golem mastery that gives them perma swiftness.

lol omega golem rushes EVERYWHERE! its the new meta….golems everywhere. i see 3 people and 1 golem trying to ninja a tower, then i walk to the next tower and there is 2 golems and 10 people. then u port back to garrison and there is 8 omegagolems at the watergate and 3 on the north west gate….0.o

actually in your video i see similar numbers to wha i get with the triforce build when putting up feedback. the thing is feedback deals a lot of dmg if people spam projectiles like crazy. it doesnt show a lot of confusion compared to what it was before. its not even half of that as confusion was already hard to stack before, but now it barely stacks. most of your dmg is due to refelction. confusion needs a buff again.

torment is more deadly than glams atm and is only single targeted. i really like my scepter 2 block now….if it only was multi targeted…

Bhawb.7408:

Wait seriously? I can’t think of any mesmer that’s like “you know what elite sucks, Moa. I hate free kills.”

Funnily enough, I’ve actually gotten quite a few kills on bad mesmers as an MM Necro, because they’ll get scared after a burst and Moa me when they only have like 1k HP, and I can peck them to death. Sweet, sweet payback.

moa?hahahaha i never use that skill! i tried it in spvp before… its useless, absolutely useless. cd is wayyyy too long and the range is tiny and the casting time wayyyyy too long and in wvw its an absolute joke. soe yes anet please remove it and give us something useful.

ugh i hate when my guils isnt online and other commanders think i have veil or portal ready at all time. i usually run with feedback, nulllfield and signet of illusions(as i can share my buffs with 5 people) but since the glam nerf all commanders only use me to veil them or portal golems.

im really really scared of the next patch…all i can think about is what build will get destroyed next? what useless 1v1 skills do we get?what bugs will we get? how much op will one of the other classes get?

but maybe anet has a heart…or maybe one of their dev’s dares to play a mesmer in wvw and comes across the current necro/guardian meta and has to chase a permastealth thief for 20 minutes and realizes, that the confusion nerf was completely over the top and the bb nerf by itself would have been fine already.

wel if they would at least let us farm if we actually want to.wvw is expensive and we hardly make money with it. upgrades, food and then all the siege. so we go farm for mats we can sell, but anet punishes u for farming with diminish return. i farm for 1 hour and then all i get is 1 or 2 salvageables and whites.
i mean there are mmos out there like ro where all u do is farming for hours and yes there are bots and afk genetics, but i remember i actually had fun farming as i got rewarded for it.
anet nerfs every good spot and there are people that actually love to farm!

Malediktus.9250:

Too bad, I spent 10k honor badges on siege weapons yesterday to save space in my bank

same here i bought a ton of siege to make space for all the badges

@Boulderbolg omg yes me neither i cant wait for CU!wvw only! :-)

im on fa and we run in small groups quite often. yes, there is zergballs on almost every server, but u will find small groups on FA, TC, EB, mag, sos so check them out.

i use kylias triforce build and it is almost as fun as glam, but i gotta say confusion is at it’s worst state ever! its actually so bad that i take a screenshot when ever i hit someone with confusion for more than 1k. confusion got destroyed and when it was on the ground anet kicked it and laughed at it!

i see some interesting suggestions here:

agree with arcane thievery radius increase and cd needs to be adjusted too.

increase confusion more than 25%. i’d say at least 33 percent or unnerf it as the bb nerf and the so called bug fix already destroyed a ton of stacking ability! if u allow other classes to burn, posion and bleed u to death with such high numbers, then give us confusion back!

mantras need rework, in wvw its not practical to be forced to channel

unnerf clones in wvw as we cant even shatter anymore as clones and phantasms die instantly in a zerg.

adjust tw cooldown. it doesnt last very long, has been nerfed to 50 percent and our cd is 240 sec……wayyyyyy to high

mass in visibility should last 1 sec longer as it is an elite

remove rng based conditions. i’d rather be able to spec into a viable condition than being lucky if it maybe applies something useful to enemy

less rng based boons its annoying!

new elite skills! i wouldnt mind losing darn moa!

if u want us to use mantras, then get on it and makem useful for wvw as well.

i like HorridForm idea of the signet of inspiraton and chaos signet

most importantly though: balance spvp and wvw differently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop destroying wvw mesmers with your kitten spvp mania. and btw even there u did a terrible job at balancing.

XxNoahxX.7813:

It’s just unfair to say nerf this or nerf that one or two main skills for thief class. I agree with Xsorus at the point of stealth is an advanced skill in game or even the most strategic technology in the modern warfare. You blind you dead, how simple is that. Guess almost ppl played C&C Red Alet; that very high cost commando has the skills of stealth, 1 shot 1kill sniper rifle and bomb which is used for demolishing any enemy base constructions. That dude was absolutely the one of most popular ‘weapon’ picked. So no one can see and get close to the mad commando? The answer is No. The Westwood( not EA yet at that time) veteran devs brought up the Shepard military Dogs which is low cost and the best anti-stealth mechanism in the game. It’s something balancing the game. Or simply give every class the access to Stealth, but not as good as thief classes. Look the very recent change to ranger long bow skill, that is a great step up in my opinion. Meanwhile, I hope Anet could provide thief class something more useful for the team/zerg/tpvp. Your gonna give something else to be good at for the thieves.

i agree. thieves are ment to be fast and deadly, so high dmg and mobility are important, but combining this with stealth like that,creates a problem. the whole mechanic of stealth is broken, but simply nerfing it to the ground will be too harsh, the class does need heavy rework.

yeah i agree with u on that one.

i am lucky to be in a very coordinated guild with a lot of mesmers and they encourage me a lot. i sometimes dont even feel like logging in because it makes me mad to just think about the confusion nerf and all the stuff u mentioned. EVERY other class has access to reliable conditions, ours are rng based or nerfed to the ground of the grounds.

all the latest patches have brought us down to a 1v1 build as anet kept balancing for their esport mania, while conviniently overlooking wvw balance and to be quite honest in spvp we got hit pretty hard too and have a hard time to keep up with the other classes.

i am a little scared about the next patch as i fear it will be either more nerfs and so called bugfixes, nerfs with buffs of useless traits and skills, nerfs and useless rng based buffs or only bug fixes and rng based addons…..ugh anet hates us and now they give portals to other classes too

so i wear rabid gear only. when i got the holographic wings i turned them into a exotic rabid backpiece. i have an other backpiece, that i used a lot, but today when i looked at the wings they were rare rampanger……?they were in my inventory the whole time. has anyone else have an item change all of the sudden?

Samug.6512:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Samug.6512:

I think ANet is trying to delete mesmers from game. They already nerfed us in several ways, now they are giving personal portal to everyone which will become usable for everyone and in spvp/wvw, then ANet will change thief’s Smoke Screen to work as veil. The last and deadly hit will be craftable consumamble potion that gives 10 seconds of quickness. This all is a kitten conspiracy.

Can you not read? already been confirmed they do NOT work and i will repeat that they do NOT work in SPvP, TPvP or in WvW.

You are one of Them, aren’t you? You trying to make us believe that nothing is happening! Burn him!

But seriously. Mesmer’s portal will unique for our profession – we are and we will be the only ones, who can portal others. I’ve got a feeling that mesmer will get buff soon anyway.

lets hope you are right with the buff… anet has destroyed so many builds and nerfed us pretty bad whle overbuffing necros(that is now the new insane meta in wvw, next to guardian).

we need buffs and new skills…. right now anet doesnt give us the role they have promised us. the took confusion from us, we should have more cc, lockdowns, punishing, confusion and interrupts as this is what makes our class. i would love to see that. and please no more 1v1 stuff. i would rather have gw1 skills than mantras. actually in gw1 the mesmer was able to lock u down completely(a little too much maybe, but i’d like to see more of that in the future)

Hexxen.7216:

After facing a team of 3 Necros, a Trap Ranger and a Bunker Guardian on Mesmer, Necro, Guadian, Engineer and Ranger I can safely say that no class has enough condition removal to deal with that kind of team. It was ridiculously strong.

yep i agree. i’ve seen the necro meta in spvp and wvw and before the latest 2 patches, i felt in spvp that i was still sorta able to compete, but atm i feel a little up with the current cond. meta.

in wvw a necro group will burn through your forces like crazy. constant interrupts, fear and very high poison, burn and bleed = death. nullfield works alright, but im trying to use more cond removals also lemongrass soup helps a little. love the disenchanter though, but it needs a little tweak.

Quantius.3156:

selan.8354:

Quantius.3156:

Go to the mesmer forum, they hold the belief that they have the most complicated class in gaming history.

sweet we will meet u there, as u must be the most skilled player in the game with that kind of attitude, u sure don’t mind rolling one then.

It’s a shame, I’m just not good enough for mesmers, otherwise I would indeed meet you there.

i wouldn’t say mesmers are too complex. certain builds though require more than others. i don’t play reg shatter nor phantasm build. i like cc, cond, interruption and reflection, that one can be effective, but is not that easy to handle.

i tried a thief out and gotta say it is fun to play, because u are quick and everyone panics when u stealth while u stand there and could watch the running in circles, but i prefer my mesmer as i am not a bully/troll like person and don’t have the urge to feel godlike in small fights where i keep the upper hand due to stealth, mobility and high dmg.

Doggie.3184:

selan.8354:

Doggie.3184:

selan.8354:

Pinny.9018:

Do people not realize you can still attack a thief even if they’re stealthed? If they are a backstab thief, you know EXACTLY where they’re gonna be when you see them stealth, so start swinging. Plant AoEs around you. Do SOMETHING besides just stand there complaining that thieves are OP because they are so predictable in their stealth/backstab routine. If you know what they’re going to do, stop them from doing it. That’s always been the name of the game in GW2

not everyone uses a sword and a lot of attacks require a target.some aoe dont work without target. and blindly swinging without seeing numbers,makes this even more a guessing game. when thief gets hit he should be revealed.

You don’t need to see numbers, your #1 skill rotation will trigger. I’ve killed dozens of thieves while they’re in stealth with that alone, especially on my warrior with his OP sword auto attack.

mine wont hit without a target.scepter and staff requires a target

What class? Elementalist? o.O If you’re Necromancer you’re actually a heavy counter to Thief and shouldn’t be having a lot of trouble.

mesmer..scepter/focus and staff. both dont hit without target, the block protects though from an initial backstab if i am aware of a thiefes presence. ele’s and necros have great aoe’s that will protect them. before major confusion nerf, i was able to put nullfield or veil down and the more the thief spammed the more he would hurt himself, but now it only tickles him.

i think though, that the major issue is permastealth, not necessarily the dmg as i can evade them if i see he thief. everything else is a guessing game.

Doggie.3184:

selan.8354:

Pinny.9018:

Do people not realize you can still attack a thief even if they’re stealthed? If they are a backstab thief, you know EXACTLY where they’re gonna be when you see them stealth, so start swinging. Plant AoEs around you. Do SOMETHING besides just stand there complaining that thieves are OP because they are so predictable in their stealth/backstab routine. If you know what they’re going to do, stop them from doing it. That’s always been the name of the game in GW2

not everyone uses a sword and a lot of attacks require a target.some aoe dont work without target. and blindly swinging without seeing numbers,makes this even more a guessing game. when thief gets hit he should be revealed.

You don’t need to see numbers, your #1 skill rotation will trigger. I’ve killed dozens of thieves while they’re in stealth with that alone, especially on my warrior with his OP sword auto attack.

mine wont hit without a target.scepter and staff requires a target

Pinny.9018:

Do people not realize you can still attack a thief even if they’re stealthed? If they are a backstab thief, you know EXACTLY where they’re gonna be when you see them stealth, so start swinging. Plant AoEs around you. Do SOMETHING besides just stand there complaining that thieves are OP because they are so predictable in their stealth/backstab routine. If you know what they’re going to do, stop them from doing it. That’s always been the name of the game in GW2

not everyone uses a sword and a lot of attacks require a target.some aoe dont work without target. and blindly swinging without seeing numbers,makes this even more a guessing game. when thief gets hit he should be revealed.

Quantius.3156:

Go to the mesmer forum, they hold the belief that they have the most complicated class in gaming history.

sweet we will meet u there, as u must be the most skilled player in the game with that kind of attitude, u sure don’t mind rolling one then.

it is the permastealth,
the trolling of permastealth thief in keep telling everyone, u ll never catch me,
its the thief that spawn camps to gank u as u exit to catch up with a group.
its high dmg for a buttonspam.
its the speed, boons, cleansing and healing in stealth but mainly it’s because of the attitude of a lot of thieves. very often it happens that players got insulted by thieves after they got ganked.
ganking people out of permastealth, they didnt see u, so how can the counter that nr 2 spam?u are already stunned or locked down and lost around 40 percent of your health.
the insanely low cd’s for attacks that do soo much dmg

the ultimate trollclass. that’s why the hate

i think people are just very frustrated. in spvp its a little different, but in wvw…i think a lot of people ragequit at some point or gave up chasing that annoying thief in keep.

@BLack Teagan:mesmer 15k in 3 sec?!? are u level 2 and armorless? i have never ever seen a number like this before on my mesmer not even close,….not even if i was full glasscannon phantasm build!

agreed! with all the new mastery’s they added they should at least give us a chance to reset them.

there was a Barak yo mama on our server but funniest one i’ve ever seen was twomesonecup

erm little pro tip…how about actually playing the game, sell your loot, do somestory quests and go farm…like everyone else?don’t expect people to give u money, because you are lazy!

aaaand here comes the giant lag, skill lag, slideshow for wvw and probably 100 server crashes a day …..yay

MakeitNeil.4561:

Just fought a mesmer that killed everyone in Rethesis’s Server. All he did was summon three duelists and stealth/blink. >.<

so what did u just stand there and waited for each of these 3 to be summoned?that is nearly impossible in the middle of a fight.I maybe get 3 up if i am attacking an undefended gate in wvw…and that DOES TAKE A WHILE! wow over exaggerating much!

hmm atm i see a necro meta in my tier and it makes it pretty hard to enter any tower or keep. ther is tons of red circles and some of them hit u like a truck. i think the problem is, that necros are the new glam mesmers…but their conditions stack in mass. people woldnt complain about it though if anet wouldnt have nerfed their zergbusting builds to kitten. if i was still able to use my glam, i probably wouldnt get angry at the fact that necros got buffed that much.

so instead of an overnerf for necros, how about a buff for other classes and new ways to clean conditions?

Hexxen.7216:

Fenrir.5493:

I only agree on conditions our conditions and the lack of condi cleans, mesmer dont aply a lot of conditions and the main condition (confusion) is very underwelming.

Other than that warrior is still the free kill of the game.

I still don’t understand this lack of condi cleans argument that is still EVERYWHERE on these forums.

iDisenchanter = removes 2 per bounce plus rips boons and is on a 16/20s CD
Null Field = removes 1 per second and on 40second CD
Manta of Resolve = 2 conditions per use with 2 uses per charge
Traited Torch = 1 per skill use both of which are on a ~21s CD thanks to the trait and one stealths you.
Arcane Thievery = takes away three condi and can take up to 3 boons.
Mendure’s Purity = condition removal on heal
Shattered Conditions = 1 conditon per illusions shattered can be used pretty much as fast as you can pump out more conditions since we have 4 shatters.
Temporal Curtin plus iWarden = condition cleansing bullets.

That seems like a lot of on demand condi cleansing to me. Sure don’t have a “cleans one condition every Xs skill” but three of our cleanses also cleans allies.

actually if u play wvw most of your solutions arent viable at all, apart from nullfield. disenchanter dies instantly in zerg, mantra would have t be channelled all the time and u get interrupted all the time. temporal curtain and i warden same thing, acrane thievery has a very long cd and no range so doesent work most of the time and not everyone uses torch in wvw, most of us carry focus to pull and for swiftness to get around. the necro meta in wvw is becoming a real issue.

as for tpvp the necro meta has become a similar problem and there i can only carry the disenchanter with me and it does have a bad cd….

White Ninja Rabbit.1584:

selan.8354:

hmm or maybe and alt f4 by accident(done that a few times as my ts button is on alt and if i shatter with f4 it happenes sometimes. also client crash, connection loss or like already mentioned queue pop….so i dont think that was a hack

Try middle mouse button (or extra mouse button if available).

yeah maybe should try this, just got a new gaming mouse…ugh getting used to all the new keybindings is a pain XD

even though the nerfs have destroyed a lot for wvw mesmers, there is always ways to have some sort of viable builds,even if they have become way more complex than before. i would never part from my mesmer although i get mad at certain nerfs that took soo much from us. i miss glamour and a lot of the diverity, but im hoping for anet to give us something strong and unique soon, that is not dps based. mesmers are a unique class and thats why i love them.

actually being pulled in the middle of them is fun when u have a portal placed outside the keep and the pull u inside the keep with that and past the ballistas and u are where u wanted to be. XD

it happens that u get pulled in the middle of them but not that often lately. when it happens try to phaseretreat right away. i survived many times with that and distortion