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I think many of us saw the image of the ring posted, and assumed there would also be a power ring, and a precision ring, a healing ring, etc. But what if there isn’t?
What if the ring shown, was the only ring? It’s stats base lined for running dungeons? Putting everyone on a plateau that they can design pve dungeons around. Modifying variable being your infusion, and whatever weapons you happen to take along. Sure, I could equip my higher DPS ring, but agony would down me. Again, now I am at a plateau that they can design the dungeon around.Thoughts?
Unlikely. All the condition based builds would be raging even more if they decided to do something that dumb. We need more gear stat variety, not less and certainly not everyone using MF/Power/Precision XD
That was just for the ring, good sir.
Ahh hell, I dunno. I just wanna know!
Ok, let me share some of my thoughts on all of this.
Yes, it looks like we will get Ascended Gear from sources other than Fractals of the Mist, which is a good thing for those who will want the minor stat increases for Ascended Gear, yet have no desire to play FotM. This is a good thing and fits with the overall game design. So, no forced Dungeon Runs to get Ascended gear.
This initial FotM release only includes Ascended Rings and Back Armor. This greatly dilutes the “gear inflation” factor introduced by the Ascended Gear.
It seems pretty clear, putting all the information released thus far together, that future Ascended Gear items will be released to compliment major content additions to Fractals of the Mist. Fractals of the Mist is slated for ongoing expansion over the “months and years to come”.
I would speculate that we will not see full sets of Ascended gear any sooner than one year from now. It’s possible the interval could be even longer.
This is about as mild and manageable an introduction of purpose driven “gear inflation” as we have ever seen in an MMO and I can’t imagine a more “gentle” method of gear inflation than what we appear to be getting for GW2 via Ascended Gear.
Yes, there is a minor stat boost involved here, but it seems clear that the biggest purpose of Ascended gear will be the introduction of Infusion Slots and direct Agony mitigation, which, at this point, seems will be exclusively relevant to the FotM Dungeon Experience and more specifically relevant to players who will be seeking to push the incremental difficulty/reward boosting system for consecutive FotM runs to the absolute limit.
Some, but not all, non FotM players may eventually wish to acquire basic Ascended Gear for the stat boosts. Some, but not all, FotM players will actively pursue Agony Mitigation in order to push their FotM experience to the absolute limits. (Many players may be perfectly happy to complete one to three waves at a go, with no time/desire to push deeply into the difficulty progression).
By no means is this new, measured “gear inflation” a necessary progression for most players. Most of the future inflation is horizontal, via introduction of new gear slots sporting Ascended Gear options, rather than vertical. We have no idea how Arenanet plans to expand the game through major expansions. Will they raise the level cap? We just don’t know. There could be further vertical progression in the years ahead, but if the inflation between Exotic and Ascended and the slow horizontal build out of Ascended Gear is any indication, any future vertical progression is likely to be very shallow.
Well put! Not enough well thought out responses around here. This thread seems to be heading towards a reasonable discussion.
I personally hypothesize that exotic gear will remain competitive due to the increased customization. (Baring whatever they do with infusion slots) Remember fellas, they’re introducing 200 new recipes and a new gatherable resource. Could it be that some of these new recipes are for runes, sigils, and gems that would upgrade exotic gear?
I see Ascended gear as being the “slightly higher base stat along with infusion” dungeon gear, while exotic remains a “customize however you wish to take advantage of your play style.”
Just a hypothesis at the moment. But at the moment, I just cant chew on the idea of anet throwing out exotic gear, and their entire upgrade system. I need more info!
Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?
Read this http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists#.UKT2QkeP4Po.reddit
Full breakdown in new mechanics
So, grinding.
It’s not like grinding wasn’t present in this game…. people grinded for their exotics, dungeon gear etc…..
The grinding statements made by Anet were mostly in reference to a necessary grinding through levels to get to an “end game”, but people like to take it out of context.
There’s also a lot of people in here making the false assumption that you need to run the new dungeon to receive ascended gear. Not true.
“Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. "
If you’re not interested in running a “grindy” dungeon, don’t.
there are real issues of miscommunication by the company, and they arent clearing at all, and this can go inb only one direction, worse, and worse.
1)they dont clear if the ascendend tier is the last tier in terms of stats, or if with future content\expansion they are going to increase item stats and level cap too.
2)they dont clear how infusion work, we only know that provide as sideeffect agony resistance
3)someone of us (me included) dont understand why release this new tier, update by update, when one of their statement was: “WHEN ITS READY”… and this tier its not ready!
i think that as customer, i have the right to have some clear information.
I dont like to act like a kitten… but i dont like to be fooled too.I’m with you Ganzo. I greatly desire information. A typically transparent staff has been rather mum on the issue. I feel this is likely because they want to trickle information through news outlets. Or, they may be required to keep silent since numerous news outlets are releasing information on the new content as we speak. I’ve no idea.
Until I’m shown otherwise, I will probably keep the mindset that exotic gear, with it’s wider range of customization (And possible greater upgrades coming along with the content) will prove to be on par, or better than ascended items in instances not specifically designed for the ascended gear.
Is this speculation? Of course. We’re all likely incorrect on details. But at this point I refuse to believe that a development studio would throw out an entire foundation of gear, an upgrade customization system, and their stated principles to add 3 pieces of gear that grant an “8% stat increase for people who desire a progressive loot system.” I’m not buying it until I see it.
I feel this most of this negativity stems purely from conjecture spewed by doomsayers that lack a full picture.
I wish that were true, even if it is convoluted.
“Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items. All Legendary items going forward will be of Ascended power. "
- Linsey Murdock
Yeah, I know. I suppose convoluted speculation is all we have at this point.
We’ll see. But I’m still not going with “the sky is falling.” I still feel this is an intended design choice. Not a reaction to people saying, “I’m bored! Give me lootz!”
Content development cycles are too long for a team to just up throw out their principles in a matter of weeks. If their principle goals changed when they started developing the content, we would have seen that reflected long before the game launched.
It doesn’t take months to add extra stat points. If ANET didn’t do that, then there wouldn’t be a problem with the system.
Anyways, off to bed have to be up in less than 5 hrs.
But why create the problem in the first place? Just to appease people who want to see their numbers go higher? That notion just doesn’t add up to me. I guess we’ll see.
Later man!
Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?
Read this http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists#.UKT2QkeP4Po.reddit
Full breakdown in new mechanics
So, grinding.
It’s not like grinding wasn’t present in this game…. people grinded for their exotics, dungeon gear etc…..
The grinding statements made by Anet were mostly in reference to a necessary grinding through levels to get to an “end game”, but people like to take it out of context.
There’s also a lot of people in here making the false assumption that you need to run the new dungeon to receive ascended gear. Not true.
“Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. "
If you’re not interested in running a “grindy” dungeon, don’t.
there are real issues of miscommunication by the company, and they arent clearing at all, and this can go inb only one direction, worse, and worse.
1)they dont clear if the ascendend tier is the last tier in terms of stats, or if with future content\expansion they are going to increase item stats and level cap too.
2)they dont clear how infusion work, we only know that provide as sideeffect agony resistance
3)someone of us (me included) dont understand why release this new tier, update by update, when one of their statement was: “WHEN ITS READY”… and this tier its not ready!
i think that as customer, i have the right to have some clear information.
I dont like to act like a kitten… but i dont like to be fooled too.I’m with you Ganzo. I greatly desire information. A typically transparent staff has been rather mum on the issue. I feel this is likely because they want to trickle information through news outlets. Or, they may be required to keep silent since numerous news outlets are releasing information on the new content as we speak. I’ve no idea.
Until I’m shown otherwise, I will probably keep the mindset that exotic gear, with it’s wider range of customization (And possible greater upgrades coming along with the content) will prove to be on par, or better than ascended items in instances not specifically designed for the ascended gear.
Is this speculation? Of course. We’re all likely incorrect on details. But at this point I refuse to believe that a development studio would throw out an entire foundation of gear, an upgrade customization system, and their stated principles to add 3 pieces of gear that grant an “8% stat increase for people who desire a progressive loot system.” I’m not buying it until I see it.
I feel this most of this negativity stems purely from conjecture spewed by doomsayers that lack a full picture.
I wish that were true, even if it is convoluted.
“Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items. All Legendary items going forward will be of Ascended power. "
- Linsey Murdock
Yeah, I know. I suppose convoluted speculation is all we have at this point.
We’ll see. But I’m still not going with “the sky is falling.” I still feel this is an intended design choice. Not a reaction to people saying, “I’m bored! Give me lootz!”
Content development cycles are too long for a team to just up throw out their principles in a matter of weeks. If their principle goals changed when they started developing the content, we would have seen that reflected long before the game launched.
Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?
Read this http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists#.UKT2QkeP4Po.reddit
Full breakdown in new mechanics
I don’t need a guide to new dungeon, i’m an 6 years old player of Gw1, following gw2 whit every blog post, interview etc, and no one devs of arenanet said that they will introduce this time of progression whit gear.In gw1 you don’t need to to dungeon for equip against a condition whit some better gear than the outhers dungeons.We are more people here against this kitten meccanics, you think that we are all stupid and we can’t learn and read somethings about this?
Well, it does spell out how the Agony works pretty clearly, and if you can see how the new tier is not even necessary, and seems pretty easy to obtain.
Simple research would actually calm a vast majority of people down, but they like to post the same quotes over and over again. There’s still no treadmill, Legendaries are still = to the top tier, and they never ever stated that there wouldn’t possibly be a new tier. They’ve explicitly stated new item types would be added in future content in the past, regardless of its new weapon types or new tiers.
Sadly, people in here are only interested in feeding their rage, and making soap-box statements about betrayal and such. It’s like this is some kind of fanatical political rally. Either way! The new content looks great. Can’t wait!
No, cause i love gw1 and no one at arenanet saw that they will introduce this kind of dungeon/grind on gear.
You don’t play Gw1 so you don’t say.
You’re right. I don’t. There’s a rather good reason for that. I heavily disliked gw1. I would not want Guild Wars 2 to be like the original game. I expect the developer to add new content. I also expect them to hold to their manifesto.
I do not feel they’ve added a gear treadmill. I also do not feel that exotic gear, and the upgrade component system they’ve run with throughout the entire game will be rendered irrelevant.
My point of view, like your own, is based upon vague information and a sizable amount of speculation. Unlike you, I’ve decided to wait and see what we get. Rather than rant like a lunatic on a street corner.
Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?
Read this http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists#.UKT2QkeP4Po.reddit
Full breakdown in new mechanics
I don’t need a guide to new dungeon, i’m an 6 years old player of Gw1, following gw2 whit every blog post, interview etc, and no one devs of arenanet said that they will introduce this time of progression whit gear.In gw1 you don’t need to to dungeon for equip against a condition whit some better gear than the outhers dungeons.We are more people here against this kitten meccanics, you think that we are all stupid and we can’t learn and read somethings about this?
Well, it does spell out how the Agony works pretty clearly, and if you can see how the new tier is not even necessary, and seems pretty easy to obtain.
Simple research would actually calm a vast majority of people down, but they like to post the same quotes over and over again. There’s still no treadmill, Legendaries are still = to the top tier, and they never ever stated that there wouldn’t possibly be a new tier. They’ve explicitly stated new item types would be added in future content in the past, regardless of its new weapon types or new tiers.
Sadly, people in here are only interested in feeding their rage, and making soap-box statements about betrayal and such. It’s like this is some kind of fanatical political rally. Either way! The new content looks great. Can’t wait!
TL;DR – This is not about adding vertical progression. It’s about balancing the gap (Of difficulty in obtaining) between exotic and legendary gear. As far as the stat increase…I have no idea. So you’ll want it more?
this is absolutely about adding vertical progression
if this is about balancing the gap in difficulty of obtaining exotics and legendaries — that means ascended will be harder than exotic to acquire, which means, yes, gear treadmill.The stat increase, yes, gear treadmill. They added it because there’s some people who just can’t play a game without endlessly increasing their numbers relative to their old numbers. Exotics were supposed to be it, the cap, the top-end — and legendaries were equal to that, but looked awesome.
If all they wanted to address was the gap in the time needed between exotic and legendary, they could have done it without a new tier. Add hard to find exotics that look slightly cooler (OH, WAIT, THAT ALREADY IS A THING), add legendaries that look less cool but are easier to get.
This? This is just them trying to reshape their game into a WoW clone.
Since we’re both basing this on speculation, I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I do not feel that adding a single new tier to fill the gap between exotic and legendary constitutes as a gear treadmill. Nor do I feel that this is a “sign for the future of constant new gear additions! omg treadmill!”
I personally still subscribe to the idea that it’s possible that a few of the 200 new recipes coming along with this update could be related to crafted upgrade slot items that could very well balance exotics against ascended (ascended being more useful for their infusion / dungeon needs) items. But hey, I’m only guessing.
Making wild claims that this is the beginning of the end with the WoW conversion coming is rather over the top, though. And awfully cynical might I add.
I very much like the sound of this. Should be fun!
I think people are making mountains out of molehills. A new tier of loot does not equate to OMG NEW LOOT EVERY 3 MONTHS THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO STAY COMPETITIVE.
It will be a normal, accepted part of the game hours after it becomes available.
It likely already is, because everyone who does not subscribe to that design philosophy has or will have quit.
And, actually.. yeah, it does mean that. They’re giving us 3 Ascended now. Later we will get more Ascended gear. What happens when every slot is Ascended? Do you HONESTLY think they’ll stop? It took 3 months after release to go back on a design promise they’ve made for YEARS — do you think that a year from now when everyone is in full Ascended and the Pandas start crying for more progression, that Anet will say “No not this time LOL!”
No, they’ll release more gear. They caved once and have shown that they will cave to the tears of the Pandas, they have shown they don’t give two damns about their gw1 player base or the gw2 player base that is here BECAUSE we don’t have to chase gear endlessly.
I disagree with you, and your wildly negative speculation entirely. I’ll just post a point I already made.
The gap is referring to the difficulty in obtaining. It’s not about breaking manifesto, or adding vertical progression. It’s about balancing rewards. Legendaries are so out of reach that many players (myself included) really did not consider ever obtaining. What are they to do? Make legendaries easier to obtain? Ascended gear gives me something to work towards, but is not necessary for me to enjoy the game. I WvW on a normal basis. I’m not all geared out with exotics, and yet I still manage to kill plenty of players and avoid getting rofl-stomped unless I come up against a lone guardian or thief. And that has less to do with their gear, and more to do with the profession and skill of the player.
A few stat points (Yes yes, I know about the 8% and what not) are not going to make or break one player fighting another. Furthermore, the slow introduction of this tier set to the game will likely insure that the majority of players will have a piece or two before the remaining pieces of the set are released. Since, like everything else in this game, you’re rewarded for doing pretty much anything. So, when you do come across that jerk-face with his ascended gear, you’ll likely have a few pieces yourself.
This would of course be speculation on my part, but that’s all anyone is doing at this point. I feel speculation should be reasonable. To assume on the side of negativity is foolish. I think we’ll just have to wait and see. If ascended gear turns out to be a terribly game breaking and unpopular addition to the game a few weeks down the road, I have no doubt it would be addressed. But to expect them to just toss something out because the internet fervor assumes the sky is falling is ridiculous.
TL;DR – This is not about adding vertical progression. It’s about balancing the gap (Of difficulty in obtaining) between exotic and legendary gear. As far as the stat increase…I have no idea. So you’ll want it more?
I was having this issue last weekend with trying to get a friend transferred to Darkhaven. I figured it would never go back down to High, but luckily, it did. Took about two days.
Have him keep trying! They go up and down.
As for this weekend, any invited friends automatically come to your home server. No worries there!