Guild Wars 2

If you have ever followed FSB you will know how they got the ranks- quite simply it’s karma training/wexp/blob destruction at it’s very best. Add in a birthday booster, wexp booster, and tag everything for more wexp and the wvw levels clock up fast in EoTM.

Grats FSB, that’s solved the debate about your ranking once and for all. It’s always fun following you and great to have a comm that knows what they are doing. I hope you get some good drops from enemies now that you won’t get any more from wexp:-(

It’s a good sample size for seeing if your toon is lucky and checking on how many gold, exotic and ascended pieces the rank boxes dropped!

What are those skills in slots 7 and 8?

I predict SFR, if they can be bothered and aren’t swamped by noobs (oops, I mean achievement hunters), as the core wvw is much bigger and better organised than anyone else. Even the pugs are mostly on ts and runnign decent builds.
Deso’s problem is lack of coherent leadership over the whole day and lack of bodies outside a short prime time. It’s not unusual to see a 40 stack for EB then to enter and see no comm, maybe 1-5 q for Deso bl and no q on the others (and no comm). Also a lot of upscaleds in the main maps, as EOTM tends not to have comms in most instances or is outnumbered.

1. Anet chooses. Because it will make no difference what we say, post or do here, unless this round of CDI is actually listened to. On previous performance, it will be a complete waste of time.

Send me your dragonite..oh wait, that’s right, they stupidly made the mats and ascended stuff account bound…

Destroy your spare dust, it’s too easy to replace, keep 10 stacks of each and you should be fine if they decide to make anything else useful with it.

The worst bit is weekly achievements, so every weekend will be solid hours long queues while people get their weekly done….

Thanks for listening, although how anyone came to think that 300g per colour was a good idea, especially for wvw people, still means there is a huge disconnect between whoever thought that was a sensible price and the wvw player base.

Let this be a lesson to you- if you are thinking of changing something, get the wvw community involved BEFORE you announce it to the world then you will be much more appreciated and less likely to have huge amounts of egg on your faces.

Much kudos for listening and changing, that takes a lot. Now don’t revert to ‘tell them nothing’ and get some guilds on board to test drive ideas before you put them in to practice, so we won’t see any more bad ideas like golem mastery and disabling traps.

All players will be stripped off all traits and skill points and be forced to endure the new trait system, either buying or going off to rediscover a map to ensure everyone is balanced.

Been happening in wvw since before the tourny started but got exactly 0 attention from devs. Maybe now it’s happening on spvp they might notice and do somthing about it.

My current theory is it’s all exhibition and tournament related as they bleed off processing power and servers etc to make sure the tourny runs nice and shiny.

Fastest way to cut new map production time would be to actually have anyone working on it in the first place:-)

I’m so excited! i’m so excited! oops, a little too excited…

As the blog says, the siege disabler is the ‘first of’, so it looks like they have more of these terrible ideas in the pipeline.

Golem mastery wasn’t needed, just makes something that was OP even more OP. The funniest bit is the bubble now giving healing to allies- great news for the attackers, who can now stand off and take turns healing whilst using their omegas to destroy the gates whilst their team mates permanently shut down defensive siege using the new ‘trick’.

Hopefully tomorrow they might actually announce something decent for wvw. i won’t hold my breath, I’m betting tomorrow will be all about the ‘fantastic, exciting’ opportunity to spend piles of cash on different colour badges.

It is being working on as the absolutely highest priority by the massive team of wvw devs along with many other huge amazing game changing improvements. (Takes another inhalation of a proscribed substance).

Could mods please be as efficient in merging all the SAB threads and throwing them in the suggestions section as they usually are at hiding away wvw related topics (merging or deleting them).

Old system: you could try out different trait builds and learned early on that they were useful.

New system: traits are now locked away or expensive to acquire. randomly throw 5 in every line until you hit 80, then figure out exactly what build you want, and unlock those traits. You are left with a bunch of skills you haven’t unlocked, and a whole bunch of traits that you either can’t afford or don’t have the skill points for.

If you are used to the old system, levelling an alt under the new one can sap your will to live. If you are new player, you go through the game without having a clue about traits until you hit the 70’s.

GW1 had the perfect elite aquisition system- go out into an instanced area, find the (fairly fast respawn) elite boss, kill it, cap the elite, job done.

If they aren’t going to change back (which realistically they won’t do) then they at least need to change the targets required for them and the level of areas you need to go to in order to get them. And remove any of them from JP’s.

Play ‘cap the camps’. Get a team of 5 together and map hop, and see how many camps you can cap and gate guards you can kill before the zerg stomps you.

Until they balance matches and encourage people back into wvw by making it more immersive and rewarding the scoring system and interest in wvw in general will continue to decline.

Bear in mind the dev team has next to zero input from anyone remotely connected to wvw. This is purely a pve move, as there are a ton of ‘commanders’ in pve and giving the rich pve’rs somehing else to spend their money on is what this is all about.

The fact that pure wvw players have little to no money but at the same time actually need different tags in order to make wvw better never entered the equation.

Laggy on both SFR and Desolation. It happens every time they hold a tournament for spvp or are presenting at a games show- they remove server capacity and processing power from everything else to ensure spvp runs without the lags we get left with in wvw.

One of the problems the time gating/hiding in fractals of ascended gears and the new trait system has created is that very few casuals, especially newer players or characters levelled up since the trait changes, have any change of gear, and cannot respect traits on the fly as they don’t have either the gold or skill points available to do so. It’s very easy to forget this if you levelled under the old system and have hundreds of spare skill points, several changes of gear and all traits unlocked.

A good theory until you consider the opportunities for trolling this presents. If you remember what happened in seasons where people burned supplies to get their achievements, I can imagine people taking a look at where they are at on the title and thinking ‘oh 12g and I can get a badge’ and all of a sudden all your towers are upgrading with NPCs instead of something useful like a waypoint or doors.

It happens every time they have some spvp tourny- seems wvw is lowest priority and is sacrificed to enable the tourny to run without any lags. So expect lags until they give us back our server space and power (and even then…).

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Hey guys, I wanted to pop in and make a few points about the siege disabler.

• This is a thrown projectile, and as such, can be countered by abilities that block or reflect projectiles (Shield of Absorption, Swirling Winds, etc)
• It has a ~5silver, 10 supply and 15 badge cost. This cost coupled with the above point, will likely limit the amount that these items are used to important tactical plays.
• Siege is not permanently disabled, the disabler is just meant to open up a window of opportunity. Players may choose to spread their siege out more to be less vulnerable to this tactic.
• As you are probably aware, we are adding Golem Mastery in the same update. This provides a new, viable option for countering a golem rush.
• The traps we’ve added in the past, have seen low use. So we intentionally created this trick to be a bit on the stronger side. However, it’s still hard to say exactly how it will play out in the live game, but if it ends up hurting gameplay more than helping it we are open to adjusting it in the future.

Only limit is the amount of supply your zerg can carry or the amount in the tower. If you expect commanders to have 300g spare and 1500g if they want a full set of colours the silver cost and badge cost is nothing.

With the range spreading siege is not an option- if you spread it too far it won’t be able to hit anything useful as it will be too far out of range.

Did any players actually get any say in the design of this, was it tested?

Golem mastery wasn’t needed and makes golems even more OP if you are already outnumbering the opposition.

The current traps aren’t used much because 1. the stealth trap is pratically useless, thiefs can actually dodge over it and the reveal doesn’t last long enough. if it rooted them in place for ten seconds unable to do anything it might be useful. 2. supply trap only hits a limited number of players and hence is a waste of supply and time against a zerg.

If you bothered to ask wvw players and had a player testing team and a test server then you would know all this already.

I’m sorry that so many of you failed to grasp the evident sarcasm in my comment whilst making a very valid point.

I don’t need the money and wasn’t begging. But for many wvw players who might aspire to becoming commanders, 300g would literally take months to make, or even longer if they are from a small guild and are funding their own siege too.

If 300g is nothing now, then anyone that thinks so can send me 300g now. After all, it’s a very low amount, so you won’t miss it.

So, if everyone puts their money where their mouth is, I should be expecting several thousand gold in my mail in a few minutes.

Two schools of thought here:

PVE players, karma trainers and market traders who think nothing of 300g

WvW players (who actually need the function more than pve’rs) to whom 300g is more than they have ever had in their bank due to wvw rewards being so awful.

For pure wvw players, this just feels like a kick when their down.

Just a question, any chance the wvw rewards, tracks (you know, like 25 years of constant yak killing to get tier 2), etc can be updated this year?

Main wvw rewards need a good increase, new armor rewards, a use for badges, a way of getting ascended rings, accessories, amulets, crafting ascended armor and weapons, etc – oh, and can we get some free legendaries handed out for a tournament too?

Would be nice to see some qol improvements to wvw to attract people back in to the game mode instead of being asked to fork out 300 gold for each colour of badge- asking that just shows that the devs have no clue how hard it is to make any money at all in the main wvw maps as well as feeling like a slap in the face.

I think it’s funny they don’t even test these things out or ask any major wvw guilds to test these out on a test server before bringing in the changes.

This trap sounds awful – lay one outside a tower and as a defender runs in it sets off, disabling all the ac within range, rinse, repeat, towers become even harder to defend.

For defenders, if they are organised it means rams will be disabled forever, but in practice people will try them for a while, learn counters, and in the end they will be used about as often as the other gimmick traps that they have put in.

I hate to say it..but ‘I told you so’ comes to mind on the gem grabbing idea.

No additions for wvw, finally get comm tags a different colour to that of one of the map colours and guess what? they will charge you for it!

Colour your commander tag! Only 800 gems a colour! Make your tag account bound, only 2000 gems!

Hope I’m wrong…

Because I don’t actually like LS, being a wvw player, and it’s not something I’d like to spend my hard earned on. And before you say ‘convert gold to gems’ bear in mind I’m a wvw player- it’s not an area noted for it’s loot!

Laurels? Are you joking? I don’t even have enough of those to get the ascended pieces I need, and wvw infusions on armors- if only ascended stuff was tradeable……not all of us play just one toon with one armor set and one weapon, some of us try and equip multiple toons and wasting them on a LS part doesn’t seem like a good use of a time gated resource.

But thanks for the response anyway.

Ok thanks for the reply. Part 2 just seems to consist of a ‘talk to this npc, now that one’ and now seems to have got stuck, so i guess wait a few days for patches and see if it works then.

I’m still confused- do i need to purchase part 1 in order to be able to complete the required item so that I can make something in part 2? Anyone know? Or are parts 1 and 2 all part of one chapter and entering part 2 allows you in to part 1?

OP, the new trait system works perfectly. Join EoTM. Mindlessly karma train for 3-4 weeks and eventually you will have enough skill points to unlock some of the traits that you might want to use, and the gold to pay for them.

Now go back and carry on the karma train, as you are 200-300 skill points behind the older players when it comes to using them for anything else, such as crafting parts for a legendary. Aren’t we lucky it’s not a grindy game.

Not to mention the trait system now totally discourages changing builds at all and not unlocking them until 60 and 80 means most new players are clueless about them.

I’m levelling another alt at the moment, and will unlock exactly one build’s worth of traits, locking me in to one build and set of armor as i never seem to have any spare skill points- just as soon as i level up my crafting to 500 and spend weeks making the parts for the ascended set that is part of the build with account bound materials…

In the patch notes it says:

Players who completed their Mysterious Vine and received a Cultivated Seed may now create new exotic and ascended back items and a plant that feeds on Bloodstone Dust.

Is this Mysterious Vine a part 1 or part 2 thing? Do I have to purchase part 1 and complete whatever it is in order to access this ascended gear?

I’m confused. Can I open part 2 directly, or do I have to purchase part 1 (which i’m not going to do) in order to reach part 2? Are these parts each ‘chapters’ or are they part of one chapter?

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

idk guys, but sfr seems to be going down…

We’re on holidays this week. Or least over the weekend. In any event, I’m levelling a toon on my Gandara account this week (ele). Our commanders are having a rest/going tagless.

If they have trial accounts, can they have them join t3 servers to up their wvw numbers and exclude them from t1 entirely? We don’t need more walking lootbags (enough of them already) and certainly don’t want big queues aka start of seasons.

What we do want is some changes to wvw, points, rewards, maps, map rotations- but then we’ve asked for these for the last two years.

Go full defensive set with plenty of vit and armor, trait for defence. Don’t worry about damaging anything, the zerg can do that.

Bring plenty of siege- superior if you can (most comms won’t use it in EoTM, or won’t after they burn through 100+ in a session), and don’t be afraid to ask people to mail you their spare rams.

There are no issues/glitches/bugs/exploits in wvw. Anyone who says otherwise will be infracted and their topic deleted, just to ensure that if they can’t be read they don’t exist.

I think it’s the trial accounts thing that they will try and showcase at PAX to entice people to buy the game. I also think someone nailed it on the head when they said Anet suddenly realised that they had nothing to show about wvw (as no one works on it) when they were finalising their presentation for PAX and hence the first dev post on these forums.

Of course given previous history they are more likely to remove the wvw discussion forum (like the match up forum), and infract loads of people than they are to actually bother to say why they want the videos (which would be common courtesy).

You can turn off all the graphics setting you like, and you will still get lag in wvw- it’s nothing to do with your computer, it’s the fact that every time there is any sort of spvp tourny on, the performance in wvw drops like a stone. This suggests to me that they re allocate resources from wvw to spvp to ensure the tourny runs smoothly. until they allocate more resources to wvw it will continue to have lag issues.

Sorry Verc, but making rewards guild based is a recipe for disaster. Just imagine the fall out from claiming a tower with a small guild and then sieging it up, then sitting in it all day semi-afk. Would a big guild come to defend it, or would they think ‘let it flip, then we can claim it for ourselves’. People would end up either trying to join the biggest guilds or feeling left out if their guild doesn’t manage to claim anything or isn’t big enough to qualify under your rules. People would also just not bother to defend some other guild’s claim.

Your system does have some good ideas though- but trying to make it balance so that it just doesn’t reward the guild that can claim fastest is beyond me. If you made it map wide then people would just afk camp the map and you would have endless queues, as well as very few defending anything as most wouldn’t be active.

It’s very hard to come up with a solution that isn’t easy to exploit or favours one particular group at the expense of all others.

Go to EoTM, no one will notice as it’s full of upscaleds- just try not to die too much.

At least learn all your weapon skills before you go in.

One day when Anet realise that retal is a problem they will fix it, until then playing engi well will be too hard for the majority of the ‘spam 1’ brigade. Of course any decent engi knows better than to throw their aoe into the front of the enemy zerg. Leave the tanky auto healing types to your blob and concentrate on ruining their eles and necros.

Engi’s are great fun to play in zergs with FT and elixir gun (rocket boots a MUST). Rifle or pistol/shield is more of a personal choice, arguments for and against both. The biggest nerf was when they screwed over condition removal when your health dropped below the threshold.

This build is designed to get in the face of the support eles and necros – people will run away from fire or notice the confusion stacks and stop their castings. You might not kill much but disrupting the back lines means the GWEN is missing vital parts and you contribute to your side’s victory. Blast into the back lines on your boots (picking up retal on the way through), cause chaos, rocket boot back out. Positioning is everything.

Build fairly tanky, -condi duration food.

Grenades will get you killed pretty fast although can be useful to switch to for scaring people on walls, etc.

Been asking for a change since forever, not happened. Would be nice to have a response but hasn’t happened. Would be nice to have a change..not going to happen.

I’m trying to decide who wasted more time- the OP in writing a fine script that will have no bearing on whatever we ever get, or me for responding.

Oops I strayed over that big red line again by mentioning the I word, scoring another point towards a vacation.

It would be terribly nice if someone actually told us for what purpose these videos are to be used for, so people can tailor what they supply accordingly.

Obviously they want recent ones guys- I’ll try and make one later when the map is totally green and I run the entire map without meeting a single enemy.

I don’t bother with the emote, I just laugh every time I see people run blindly into a champ with righteous buff on it.

EoTM is a wonderful place. It’s full of fantastically skilled players and doesn’t fall short in any respect at all- it has something for everyone.

Be aware many posts have been deleted from this thread and infracted. So keep it upbeat and rosy guys!

This is a wonderful idea, I hope they put together a wonderful montage of all the videos and showcase how great wvw is, how great it’s been developed and what a bright future with many changes just around the corner there will be!!