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ItIsFinished.
I hear what you saying, but your missing the point. I was not talking about if people are turning their backs or not, or catching them off guard, that is totally irrelevant to what I said.
Again, i’m talking about damage wise, not otherwise.
As a ranger, even if we “had to hit every utility and his elite to get that amount of damage”, we wouldn’t Never get that high damage output.
What is laughable is that even if we did try to "hit every utility and our elite, our range weapons would greatly miss; doesn’t matter if or how much our precisions were capped or not, still would miss our target/s.
Even our “pets” laughs at us when we think we can Dps high damage output, they even remind us how suck we are at Range by killing themselves first/Suicide, waiting for us to join them at their burial.
The only classes that can output Maximum damage or more; melee or range are, Warrior and Thief.
Read Kincaidia post, Thief “62.5k – 125k damage in 5 seconds. Plus 3 stacks of 4s bleed per person per cluster bomb. And it’s a blast finisher”.
Also no other class in this game have that high damage blast finisher one other than these two.
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Daemon,
I’ll take your word for it, however the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-H1zpdg7dU tells a whole different story. That warrior didn’t seem easy to kill, in fact his >33k kill shots were.
I’m sure everyone who were fighting that warrior made it easy for the kill shots.
I encourage you to tell that to any other class other than thief how you " feel that anet did a good job balancing them"; im sure the Engineer class would be Gracious to anet as well.
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OP, very Impressive idea.
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jkctmc,
Wow! that video you posted, is quite Amazing of a Warrior using a Range rifle hitting “33k Kill Shot in WvW”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-H1zpdg7dU
Now imagine if a Ranger was hitting 33k Kill shot in WvW, they would’ve been severely nerfed in a heartbeat, yet it is ok for a warrior?
Not only the warrior is King of Melee, they are King of Range weapons as well, what a joke.
We should be King of Range in this game and Should have the highest hitting Kill shot.
When did a Warrior rifle Dare outperform our Range weapons?
When did a Thief bow Dare outperform our Range Weapons
There are reasons to be Depressed and Disappointed.
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As a Ranger class, I feel your pain Engineer class. We are the lesser classes in the game and we have been hindered greatly, especially you; quite severe.
“My question is, why the constant hate?” the reason for the Hate is because you were designed to be "Hated*, look at all onslaughts of nerfs you received, for who’s pleasure?
For the elitists, that’s all.
I was always Proud to have a Engineer fighting at my side; also for your Great Support as Team Players.
Unfortunately the Elitist classes and this company weren’t Proud of that so they stripped you and left you without much to support yourself and others.
I Sympathize you Engineer.
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As I am reading this "“Deal an extra 9% damage to any character with an animal companion.” and imagine the response from the rangers; in fact I am a Ranger.
Suddenly I thought arenanet was shifting away from supporting and helping the elitist classes in making them more OP than they already are, yet somehow
advocating for the ‘lesser class’ and helping in support for the ranger class in April’s patch than all of sudden this?
Total Double-Edge Sword, “Back-Stabbed” and Betrayal by this company as a ranger class.
Why not name this “trait” “Kill lesser class; The Ranger on site”
So this whole “helping the Ranger class especially their pet to be survivable more”
was all Deceptions and Lies.
As ranger class, we’re not only mark for target by the *elitist thief class but for
everyone as it seem.
Well Done! Arenanet.
As the saying says, “what lays in secret in the dark will come out in the sun”
I can see now.
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I totally agree with you OP. These classes; Necro/Ranger/Engi. are obviously the underdog classes. As a ranger I can tell you countless of testimonies of being humiliation, rejected and discriminated by elite classes.
I can tell you how many times I was in FOTM parties; half way during the run, i was booted and replaced for war.
.
In fact yesterday a lot of people were shouting for group parties in LA; when I asked to join; ‘ranger do u need it?’, they tell me that, ‘party is full’ yet afterward they continued to shout for LFGM party. I do know how you feel OP for being looked and treated as trash class.
Very painful.
Ranger- The Underdog
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After April 30 patch, Elelmentist class will be consider Balanced in Arenanet handbook , and the 2 remaining un-balanced classes; Thief and Warrior will soon be Balanced to accomplish Arenanet mission in Balancing the classes.
I look forward in those classes to be balanced as well; many of the community who suffer greatly by these 2 remaining elitist classes been waiting too long; changes are coming very soon.
My intent is not to taunt those classes but to tell them that their time will soon come.
I believe Arenenet want to preserve their image, integrity and to be respected, which includes eliminating un-balances in their game.
Especially if they want to preserve their community/customers trust and loyalty in doing their job in helping eliminating issues, bots, bugs etc.. most importantly helping the “lower-end” classes by providing them the tools and fixes they desperately need.
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quite impossible but as swinsk stated, Roll an elementalist or another thief.
In addition these two classes seem to walk toe to toe, therefore u get a better shot at catching a thief.
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I don’t believe at once that “Thieves kind of stink in SPVP” in fact this class excels at spvp, wvw and pvp. How much more Supremacy does this class want?
I encourage Arenanet to not fall into this trap.
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It has been very frustrating in dealing with Elelmentist Outrageous Aoe damage in Spvp. I do know that Arenanet had mention adjusting Aoe damage but the only class which cause most concerns is the Elementist class.
Not only this class excels in very high D/D damage, high escape abilities and very high mobility yet somehow their Aoe has exceeded way out Arenenet charts.
Many players including myself had voiced our concerns and frustrations in the past months yet nothing been done about it.
I encourage Arenanet to address this issue a.s.a.p.
The community is already dealing with thief class, let us not allow this class be an additional burden; we don’t want to deal with a Thief 2.0 class.
I leave room for comments.
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As in getting finished in wvw?
Sorry for the confusion.
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Reikou,
The theif was visible and untargetable.
Afterward our teammates were discussing if that un-targetable thief was a thief clone or not. It was until we realized it was just that 1 thief who never stealthed.
The only weapons the thief was using was double pistol, that’s all and it hit hard damage.
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I’m not sure if I this thread belong in pvp or the thief forum, i’m sure Arenanet will move it to the right forum.
I was in Spvp today with my teammates, and we encountered a thief who couldn’t be targeted at all. We were able to target other classes except that 1 thief. The thief was able to wipe many of my teammates and their team was able to win few matches. We realized this thief was either using a mod or was a bot.
There was no way to report that thief because we couldn’t target/highlighted the name. None of my teammates plays a thief class so I would like to ask the community in researching that event that took place.
Is it possible for a thief to be un-targeted and remain un-targeted for a long time?
Is there a trait, skill etc,,, that gives a thief that ability?
Has anyone experienced the same?
I just want to know if this is an issue or not.
I leave room for comments
Thanks..
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To OP,
As a Ranger class, I feel so sad about that ranger you sadistically killed in your testimony but than you realized it was unjust. Compassion, Remorse and Lamentation brought you to confession.
I would like to Thank You! OP for that.
For I myself was a victim who was sadistically killed in Jp by a thief.
Seriously
,
I hope Arenanet does something to prevent players from attacking other server players in jp.
To; ExZee., " about your comment “I feel bad for killing a player who clearly had no intention of fighting me. Twice.”
ROFL this is the biggest troll post ever.
A troll isn’t remorseful, are you the troll"?
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To the Thief class, why is The Ranger class always your 1st/Primary kill in WvW?
I also would like to ask other classs the same question as well.
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I saw this line in aion ranger wiki page, that line caught my eyes with Excitement
; “Chase me or run away. Either way, you’ll only die tired” I love it!!
I wish we Rangers had this entitlement as well, “Chase me or run away. Either way, you’ll only die tired”
Link;
http://aion.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger
It continues, “The Ranger excels at long range burst type dps and is exclusively considered a dps class. While Rangers do have a variety of skills that provide debuffs and snares on a target, the main focus of the class is to inflict high damage very quickly from afar.
To aid in this focus, Rangers also have a variety of survival skills and traps that can keep enemies at bay and allow for the Ranger to quickly put distance between them and their target. Once at optimal distance, the Rangers then burst their target down quickly and efficiently. While Rangers do have the ability to use melee weapons such as a dagger or sword (and have minimal skills to match), their main power comes from the use of a bow, as a Ranger can keep a target snared indefinitely and also has a chance to stun a target on each critical bow attack”
I also would like these to be included to our class in the upcoming patches; hopefully because as Rangers we Deserve it.
My attention is not to compare these two mmo’s
I Strongly Believe that the Ranger class has many
Great Potentials to stand out; to the other classes, to anyone including our adversaries.
Alas, it all lies in the hand of Arenenet, if they choose to do so and to make it a reality for this class.
We deserve to be a class “to be reckon with”
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Is Ranger Class The “Blacksheep” OF The Classes?
To Lokheit,
We were always “Hopeful” they; the devs would be in our Defense and in their Consideration for the good of the Ranger class, well until now, that changed
We deserve the right to voice our Frustration and our disbelief of what they’ve done and what they haven’t done with our class.
The Difference between you Lokheit and us the Ranger community is our Devotion, Passion and our Faithfulness to the Ranger class. You have clearly confirm your Diversion to the Thief class because of lackstr, n other word, we know about our class in and out, infact since release, while you don’t.
We had stuck with the Ranger class “through thick and thin” always “hopeful” that the devs would consider us as a “balance” class, even though they would launched series of nerfs".
" WOULD BURN HALF OF TYRIA TO HAVE IN THE THIEF FORUM A DEV POSTING "
Oh Really!!
Doesn’t sound " in favor of the ranger class", I’ll leave that to you calculate the
the difference of many forum the devs post compare to the ranger forum and the thief forum.
I would like to quote you, “I’m completely in favor of Rangers being buffed. I’m really waiting for it because I want to play my alt Ranger but right now he feels really lackluster”.
Our Shortbow is a completly different weapon than your Shortbow. I’m not saying that yours are better or equal".
Obviously as a Devoted thief class, you Defended your class in and outs; with your best knowledge and yet all of sudden you’re in our Defense?
And on top of that, you vigorously launched a full attack against the Devoted ranger community players; criticizing, insulting and correcting their comments and their concerns in the defense to your class; the thief.
But suddenly than again you are, “completely in favor of Rangers..”?
As the saying goes, “Those who are not against us are for us”
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Obviously
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In your opinion, which class/s do you think devs prefer playing in wvw?
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No one should be Surprised by this because we have no devs. who are Devoted to the Ranger class and who are not in the best interest for this class at all.
They’re Devotion will always be for the elitists class and they will do anything to make those classes much Granderous above us; no matter how much they try to deny it.
It’s another reason to tell us the ranger class ; that we will always be stuck where we are and that we are ok where we are.
It’s quite Obvious, it is best is to abandon the class altogether and join the elitists class, cause they will Always be on their top list for fixes and improvements.
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Onshidesigns, well done.
Quite a few people have been telling me to avoid a ranger, due to the class being least wanted in dungeons, poor in PvP and overall crappy and buggy.
“Is there any truth to this, or is it just the internet sounding chamber effect?”
To OP
It sound to me that you’re an Elitist class, and I would suggest you to remain there.
Anyone who knows the Ranger class know that answer you’re asking.
If it’s in your Attention to Ridicule, Humiliate and Mock our class.. than you are not Welcome in the Ranger forum.
We’ve been through Enough
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Chopps it was his statements which I quoted, not mine and tell where is the “good news”
Depressed about what? You mentioned it, lol
Obviously you’re didn’t read what I posted.
Try again,
Ranger class did not make it in the lists that need more or less work
2 Conflicting statements.
We’ve been “Promised” far too many times since gw2 launch, all the “Promise” we got were “Nerfs” How’s that for “Good News”
I Guarantee you we will get nerfed more on the next patch and the next, so forth.
(someone has to clean the mess up and throw the trash away in the trashcan)
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When asked, "Are you happy with each class’s ability to avoid damage, and do you take a class’s ability to pull aggro into consideration when working on methods of damage negation? Are there any classes that you feel need more or less work in this respect? “The classes overall are pretty okay”
Want to know which classes that made the list that need more or less work?
Only the Elitis classes; guardians, warriors. Elementists, and Theif.
So this is where the Future of the game is heading to, all in favor for the Elictist classes.
No where mentioned of Ranger classes in need of anything; how disregarding and insulting. .
I am not Surprised at all that the lesser classes are not in need of anything..
I had Protested countless time that this game is in Favor. for the Elitist classes and I’m glad they finally confirmed this. I’m also glad and relieved many of those who are or were ranger players, no longer Delusional or in Denial of the truth.
Robert Hrouda statements about “The changes for rangers coming in this next patch are a step in the right direction for them. I am not part of that team so I won’t be announcing any of the changes unless told otherwise”
is clearly the opposite to what Jonathan and Jon stated.
You be the Judge
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Marquiz and Dual, I’m a Ranger; don’t know where you came about me being an elementist class. but it’s ok.
If you had paid attention to the video. he clearly states the rangers he easily killed numerous times as being “squishy”.
Just to add, we have been called many names; “squishy”, “complainers”, “clueless”, “dumb” etc
It’s obvious if you’re a thief this shouldn’t sound new to you.
May I repost that video again..
Obviously he is a good player and I Respect him for that very much. He seem quite Passionate for his class.
Still,
“It doesn’t take a rocket scientist” to play as well as he.
Why so? Thief tools and Mechanics were designed to be OP.
How many keystrokes and skills it takes a thief to OP an opponent? 1-2
Obviously that doesn’t sound OP ?
Only 1 Class is given that Benefit?
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Obviously, you can tell who they are? Thiefs and Warriors a.k.a God Mode Elitists.
D/D Elementists can be at times.
Other than that. i’m sure you got it all figured out who didn’t make to the top list.
And to those made it to the bottom of the piles goes to…….. Rangers and Engineers a.k.a The “Complainers” and " The clueless"
I’m sure the countless deaths speaks for itself.
Why not make a thread asking who are the “lesser” classes in WvW?
Oh wait!! I’ve already listed them.
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Here is Hard Evidence in supporting your claims OP.
Than again, who would “Dare” question them in needing nerfs?
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Thanks for providing the most updated evidential video. As I mentioned before, the recent “stealth patch” was “a slap on the wrist” for this Profession,
One who can seamlessly enter a zerg and Assassinate many seamlessly in almost Perma-Stealth conditions, shouldn’t be considered OP?
Than again. who (“lesser” professions") would Dare question an Elitist class for being OP?
And another label given by this Elitist Profession to the “lesser” Professions is “clueless”, might as well label us as Worthless, than I can find a better reason to agree with you and be Satisfied.
Fritz.-
Just for an example watch this guys video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCWywAXmVP4
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Having a suicidal pet system; I’m all for a Petless Ranger, obviously.
{Even Necromancer’s minions put ranger’s “pet” to Shame
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Dante, thanks for speaking my mind.
Honestly, I have no problems whatsoever with warrior profession but Favoring a profession in LFM than the rest are Problematic. It is Obvious by now the majority of the Community knows what defines an Elitist.
You will Never see LFM Ranger or LFM Engineer , Obviously you know why.
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Well said OP. I’m glad more players like you are seeing the light of their deceptive tactics.
I Sympathize with you OP, all along I’ve been protesting Elitism in this game and couldn’t agree with you more.
Not only those Elitists are abusing their Power, they have this company backing;
If you would ask me how many threads and post got deleted or closed “for the sake of complaining” concerning their abusive power?, I would reply, “far too many”.
“the sky is the limit” for those elitists
Great Post..
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I totally agree with the Op, it’s unfortunate they intended it to be this way. Designing a system where the “strong” classes reigns *Supreme
in getting invited to party’s.. while having the “lesser” classes carrry the burden of Isolation, Neglect and Unworthiness.
And pitting the “must have”class against the “lesser” classes; Justifying their actions no matter what.
I have many testimonies of my own being intentionally kicked out from a party as a ranger and necromancer for a “must have” classes. When questioned why I was kicked, the replay I got “you’re too slow and your not hitting hard enough”
“The sky is the limit” for the “must have” classes… .
In conclusion. Obviously that’s a Great hit-and-miss, Gw2 couldve been a Great game.. but unfortunately..
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I am not Surprised by this Grandeurious news at all. Why you ask?
Why not?
As long your an Elitist Profession, “the sky is the limit”
To the lesser professions, “no need to apply”.
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Why don’t you ask your Maker Why did they make you Thieves OP?
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Thief have been committing Injustice, Oppression and Abuse of Power for far too long in Wvw..The “nerf” they recently received from the patch was “a slap on the wrist”. Why you ask? Well they are still capable of Perma-strealth
What is abuse of power? where one’s benefit or profit depends on harming or exploiting others.- as to other classes.
Well Obviously….
What is Injustice? “. violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment/s” .
Any class can confirm this other than those who commits it.
What is Oppression? , “the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety”, etc.
Nothing more to say.
Those whose have been and continuously Victimized and Bullied by this class, are labeled “Complainers”
Obviously the balance team are fully aware of this yet choses to remain in silence while the rest of us remain in bondage by the hand of our abuser.
Here are two recent thread which addresses their Rise to Abuse of Power
thieves abusing wvwvw- https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/thieves-abusing-wvwvw
Invisibility= invulnerability exploitable bug,
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Invisibility-invulnerability-exploitable-bug
I and other group members recently experienced and encountered the same abuse with a Perma-Stealth theif in the {WvW} who hid for 20+ min upon capturing the tower, leaving 4 dead bodies before death.
It’s either Anet completely remove stealth from this class or completely remove this class entirely from this game.
Enough is Enough..
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Robert Hrouda
“Hey, cool list. I’ll be sure to put this in front of the balance team so they can take a look at it!” Those are his words, not mine.
Sebrent,
“How’s spending your time making non-constructive posts working out for you? Resulted in anything of merit?
{I’ve heard this before.}
“Words without merits” are non-constructive posts?
How long we’ve been told/waited for this “balance”? while other classes got “balance”- improvements and enhancements?
Obviously,
Here is our “balance”- Continuously Nerfing our mobility’s, our Survival and our pets/system.
If you are not Satisfied enough, your pet is already dead on arrival to the battlefield.
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Robert Hrouda
“Hey, cool list. I’ll be sure to put this in front of the balance team so they can take a look at it!”
{I’ve heard this before.}
It’s Unfortunate many of you fell into that trap.
Never Ending Story…….
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Once and for All this class was designed and made to Fail. I Don’t Understand why some of you fail to get it!! All the Evidence are there right in front of you. To put it in simpler term; this class intentionally “was Dead on arrival” to GW2 and was used as a scapegoat for the improvements and enhancements to The Elitist classes.
False Hope, Lies, Manipulations and Delusional tactics, how much more do you want me to say?
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RoRo.8270:
Skugga.5298:
I don’t like it but that’s my opinion.
PvP is based on Wins/Losses, while it should be more based on kills/deaths…
Now you can’t pug anymore because in pug group people leave all the time anyway.
Plus if it doesn’t reset, weekly/monthly then a new player will never be able to get in the list anyway.
I expected more from the leaderboards ; /
Wow you pvp and think it should be based off kills/deaths that is hilarious
Yes I do think it should be based on K/D because W/L is not a personal ranking it is a team ranking,…
Skugga- I totally agree with you. It’s Obvious this ranking system is about Egoistic personal gain; Death to reviving dead Team Players
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Nice thread and suggestions.
I’m glad you’re no longer caught in the web of lies, delusions and manipulations.
There is no “Hope” for this class, as the saying goes, “the truth will set you free”.
And that the Truth; leave Dreams and Delusions where they belong and see Reality for what it is.
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“Pathetic Perception of Rangers”, I don’t blame our Oppressors at all.
They are correct in every aspect.
We were made and designed to Fail; be Brokened, Oppressed, Insulted, Belittled,Taunted and Humiliated by the other classes; we are the weak.
We no Longer worthy of even being called Rangers. We are so Broken, we innocently offer ourselves as a “free sacrifice” to the other classes; in fact a Martyr for them.
While the elitists classes get a lot of improvements and enhancements, we get stripped off from our core of survivability.
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Does “Survival Of The Fittest”- Only The Strong Survive exists among the Classes?
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Meryt, " bet you’re glad you’re not a ranger with a bird that does a 2.5 second aerobatic display before it even flies to the target"
lol
Xia, yes Ranger; not playing obviously not.
We are given a Suicidal Pet System; pets should permanently be Stowed away.