Guild Wars 2

Jourdelune.7456:

Cynz.9437:

Too much work, won’t happen. Not to mention gw2 pvp is so absurdly imbalanced compared to (relatively) simple games like LoL and OW.

+ everything poster above me said.

Oh the lazy answer of too much work.

Repackaging a software take 1 week. I did it many times and could do it for free.

You simply cut the portal from the heart of the mist, configure spvp only server for your new offering with IP adress, do a new offering on the gem store, put the down-loadable file on the web site, send the link to it to the 20 pvp review website.

I don’t think you understand issue which will arise if pvp was a separate product. Anet would be forced to balance pvp properly and it is a lot of work in which they (as you can see based on 4 years of patches) not so interested (at least from financial point). In fact (based on observations) they used imbalance to make extra money (HoT specs + revs were made OP so players that want to compete are forced to buy HoT).

Not going happen. However you can get a guild group going that doesn’t exactly follow “Meta”. We cleared 2 wings yesterday (didn’t manage to finish 3rd due to #Anetserverlags) while running no eles for most boss fights o.o (teef ftw!!!).

That being said i think the biggest mistake Anet did was limiting targets affected by mes/war/druid buffs which resulted in static 2 mes, 2 druids 2 wars + 4 dps (lol eles) comps.

Benjamin Arnold.3457:

I don’t like the fractal in it’s current state, and absolutely want to rework it (and other fractals). Right now though my full focus is on the next fractal, and I just don’t have the resources to commit to a Jade Maw rework in the near future. ;(

Can you PLEASEEEEE not test new content with warrior bots only. Even now certain encounters are extremely melee unfriendly (unless you are tanky as warrior) or/and just straight out heavily favor druids/necro comps.
Take bloomhunger, most of the time you are stuck with ranged set due to need to kite the thing 24/7.

I will take your cats, OP. I love watching them play snowball.
I think they are offended though, they don#t drop dead birds anymore.

Too much work, won’t happen. Not to mention gw2 pvp is so absurdly imbalanced compared to (relatively) simple games like LoL and OW.

+ everything poster above me said.

Vinceman.4572:

Cynz.9437:

Oh don’t get me wrong, i love my thief and i think i am doing fairly well (considering i am usually last person to die and often end up carrying orb phase on last boss) however…. it is just like with raids – ppl want necros and druids in fractals, rest don’t need to apply.

For EU that’s not true at all. On average there are more “zerker” lfgs than the 4 necro + 1 druid comp. But even then again the question: Why don’t you open your own group. A friend of mine and me we are doing this since several weeks now with “exp, but relaxed, all classes welcome”. Sure, sometimes we have to carry but most of the time there are no issues and the runs are smooth + fast enough (30-40 minutes at most). These groups almost instafill and like I said you don’t meet many bad players there just chilled, gentle, friendly and funny people. We rarely have dead players per fractal, a couple of downstates here and there but nothing that slows us down heavily.

Because unlike in raids, the group can actually kick you from your own well… group. The original discussion was that finding decent (!!!) group that can actually complete CM (!!!) and not kick you for not playing necro/druid is everything but easy (at least from my experience so far, the only time i managed to get in CM groups as thief was…. playing with couple friends, that sadly don’t always have time to play this game).

Last time thief could kind of fill support role (ninja rez thief), it got nerfed very very quickly by Anet. I think the message is rather clear.

Zenith.7301:

Cynz.9437:

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Cynz.9437:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

buy rings for pristine fractal relics. Salvage. Profit. Problem solved.

@ Cynz, do dialy CM challenge mode, you get 1 salvage garanteed.

takes too long with bad groups and there is no guarantee not to get one

So, maybe find a guild where other players who don’t suck are interested in this, at roughly the same time? Create one, if necessary. You can’t be the /only/ person who feels like that, yo.

I play a thief, show me a guild would want a thief in CM runs…. :|

Um…..it’s one of the best classes to carry with.

Oh don’t get me wrong, i love my thief and i think i am doing fairly well (considering i am usually last person to die and often end up carrying orb phase on last boss) however…. it is just like with raids – ppl want necros and druids in fractals, rest don’t need to apply.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

Cynz.9437:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

buy rings for pristine fractal relics. Salvage. Profit. Problem solved.

@ Cynz, do dialy CM challenge mode, you get 1 salvage garanteed.

takes too long with bad groups and there is no guarantee not to get one

So, maybe find a guild where other players who don’t suck are interested in this, at roughly the same time? Create one, if necessary. You can’t be the /only/ person who feels like that, yo.

I play a thief, show me a guild would want a thief in CM runs…. :|

I feel like i am a spam bot at this point: 1 DH isn’t issue for half-decent player, stacked DHs are due to absurd amount of pressure on the point and sheer amount of team support (nearly perma stab, blocks, constant healing and instant rezzes if they hug each other on point).

For example, i would argue that in 1v1 warrior is probably most superior class atm and offer way more than DH in such context, HOWEVER, the moment we get in team environment DHs are by far superior to stacked wars because wars can’t support each other unlike DHs. Pretty much anything DH farts is AoE, often instant.

Yeah don’t forget the amount of healing they get while being immune to pretty much every “counter”.

Ayrilana.1396:

Cynz.9437:

Ayrilana.1396:

Cynz.9437:

Ayrilana.1396:

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/834494228831076353

Due to a crash error, we have temporarily disabled the Bastion of the Penitent raid wing. We will update when it is available. ~RB2

Will never understand why Anet uses 3rd party platforms for important infos like this. Not everyone is social media freak (for good reasons too, since they constantly break privacy/data protection laws).

You don’t need to register to any of the social media websites that Anet uses in order to get information from there. You also don’t even need to participate on those social media sites.

You can always make the suggestion that Anet use one of those automated phone systems to call (or text) people when anything occurs to the game that could impact them.

I actually do otherwise i wouldn’t get notification that there is info like this on first place.
Haha, phone call, you are very funny (not really). You know they could just use official Anet platform to post information, that would actually suffice…..

It happens all the time too. When there was issue with pvp season titles, they posted info about what is being done about it and when we will get titles on muffin-lovers and trolls club board (aka reddit, where pvp’ers usually get flamed/downvoted and harassed to oblivion) weeks and weeks before they finally answered that question on official forums to actual pvp’ers. I think it is absurd.

Like this?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Bastion-of-the-Penitent-raid-wing

There’s nothing wrong with them trying to communicate to players across various platforms. You don’t need to register as you can check regularly or at the very least when you experience an issue. They even communicated about the issue on what you consider an “official” platform but still posted in the very same subforum that the notification was stickied.

Yeah, days later….

Acrisor.8097:

Cynz.9437:

Crinn.7864:

… all the PvE players are in bronze where their skill level is.

Of course the entire concept of a “PvE’er” is kinda stupid, they are no worse than any regular bad pvp’er. Of course most people just call all bad players “PvE’ers” regardless of whether said person actually does PvE.

What is pve’er by your definition?

What is an online competitive game by your definition?

You know, he said “… all the PvE players are in bronze where their skill level is.” But here is fun fact, Sindrener (top player on LBs, pro league player etc., one of the best thieves in game) actually raids and runs fractals frequently. Where does it fit the statement made by Cinn? Hence why i am asking, what is definition of “PVE’er”.

@Potato.2567: do thieves have any other alternative than being +1 pet? No. Never had (except for first 1-1.5 years) and probably never will unless (i mean, look, staff was semi viable 1v1 build → boom, nerfed) current balancing team changes. The classes you named (druids, mes and i will throw ele in the mix) do have alternative of playing support/point holder. So why should thief be worse at roaming than those classes when this is only role Anet allows thief players to fill?

Btw, khylo change negatively affected other classes (ironically, including necros), not just thieves.

I haven’t said in this thread that thief is UP, i just think in overall picture the balance between point holders and roamers is disappearing atm and i personally don’t think that direction (more bunkers) that devs seem to have chosen is right, if they want to keep people interested in pvp.

Crinn.7864:

… all the PvE players are in bronze where their skill level is.

Of course the entire concept of a “PvE’er” is kinda stupid, they are no worse than any regular bad pvp’er. Of course most people just call all bad players “PvE’ers” regardless of whether said person actually does PvE.

What is pve’er by your definition?

Potato.2567:

NOBODY CARES ABOUT MESMER AND ITS STUPID ALACRITY. Honestly, these threads are so mindless; Ventari is still horifically bad and will never be used. Stop complaining just to complain.

Wrong thread xD?

Wargameur.6950:

The sub-forum is not that active these days, so if you look other pages up to 4 you should find answers about your question. There was quite a lot of “I’m new to thief” threads already.

very quick answer for your question:

- thief effectiveness is all about creating opportunities for your team and create unfair fights with rotations and +1.
- don’t spam headshot, learn other classes mechanics and interrupt key skills ( heal, signets )
- Auto attack damages are as good as a backstab if not better, It’s usually not worth except in few cases. ( an exemple : you have a 10% hp ranger that is about to heal and you blind powder offensively to proc a backtab ). Backstab is also very hard to land these days with all blocks and invuln. AA proc poison as well.

Those are superficial answers don’t hesitate to dig deeper

The “guide” to thief guides definitely needs….major update lol. Although i feel like, if one was to write a full guide how to play thief properly in pvp, it would would have volumes of a dissertation. I mean after few thousands of ranked games i still have a lot to learn and improve T_T

Internet (including games) is just like highschool – filled with bunch of “individuals” projecting their insecurities on you. Nobody can offend you if you don’t care about other people.

As far as game goes, i see them as books or movie – a distraction from bleak and pragmatic RL. But it is what it is – a product made to be consumed, nothing more, nothing less.

To be fair, in CoH/CoV you could get kicked for stupid things just as fast as well (especially if you didn’t have proper build).
Man, i miss that game, so much wasted potential, it was (and still is) way ahead of some MMORPG back then.

apharma.3741:

The thing is they didn’t tackle the root of the problem.

There is only one quickness generator and they also happen to generate alacrity pretty well too.

There is only one class capable of keeping up a 25%+ damage buff on 5 people. They tried to allow 1 druid to keep up GotL on 10 which hopefully should open up new healer roles but frost/spotter is hard to give up.

As for the patch I’m glad the DH F1 got a cast time added, it was way too quick to cast at close range and avoid while being too punishing when combined with traps.

Also lol @ mesmer buffs, yeah those phantasms are going to wreck everyone with that extra attack they do, mark my words, we will all soon be bowing before our AI overlords and boon remover mesmers.

Quickness is not even a problem, revs had basically guaranteed spot in raids prior to target cap change due raid wide boon duration and overall utility. They should have reverted the target cap change but it will probably never happen as it would be admitting a mistake.

Ithilwen.1529:

So awesome that Revs are now chronomancers, even though that was the “unique” specialization of Mesmer.

Nothing is unique in this game, give it up. Thieves were supposed to be king of stealth, but mes, engis (actually got improved version of sr), rangers and even DHs got stealth. Embrace homogenization!

As far as revs goes, i know why they gave them mes tools – revs became obsolete in raids when target cap got nerfed to 5 for mes/war/druid buffs. Instead of actually reverting the change and thus making room for revs in raids, Anet decided to do a change that… well won’t change anything as far as rev standing in raids goes……………..

Ayrilana.1396:

Cynz.9437:

Ayrilana.1396:

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/834494228831076353

Due to a crash error, we have temporarily disabled the Bastion of the Penitent raid wing. We will update when it is available. ~RB2

Will never understand why Anet uses 3rd party platforms for important infos like this. Not everyone is social media freak (for good reasons too, since they constantly break privacy/data protection laws).

You don’t need to register to any of the social media websites that Anet uses in order to get information from there. You also don’t even need to participate on those social media sites.

You can always make the suggestion that Anet use one of those automated phone systems to call (or text) people when anything occurs to the game that could impact them.

I actually do otherwise i wouldn’t get notification that there is info like this on first place.
Haha, phone call, you are very funny (not really). You know they could just use official Anet platform to post information, that would actually suffice…..

It happens all the time too. When there was issue with pvp season titles, they posted info about what is being done about it and when we will get titles on muffin-lovers and trolls club board (aka reddit, where pvp’ers usually get flamed/downvoted and harassed to oblivion) weeks and weeks before they finally answered that question on official forums to actual pvp’ers. I think it is absurd.

Is this some kind of marketing attempt?

How about NO. Vault was (and still is) way too overloaded.

If you are actually good staff thief, you wouldn’t rely on vault as much anyway so patch wouldn’t exactly change much for you as far as weapon set goes.

Dariya.9380:

Thief is not my main, so I never really played it much nor I enjoyed the play style of D/P. However, with the introduction of Staff – I immensely enjoyed playing it. Acrobatics is the only sensible “defensive” line for Staff users, which has now been quite noticeably and significantly nerfed.

As pointed out, I believe Signet of Agility nerf would have been enough, but in conjunction with Upper Hand nerf and the finicky Vault it feels too clumsy and out of place. I guess I am going to shelve playing Thief again, ArenaNet just LOVES to pigeon hole people into one build. So much for build diversity.

Join the bunker bandwagon – by the looks of it (see patches) Anet doesn’t want roamers in this game apparently (nerf to thieves, nerfs to revs, changes to pvp maps – it all screams “roamer hate”).

Crinn.7864:

Cynz.9437:

Actually zerker thief would be at risk constantly simply because he has no way to tell which passives are up on target. One passive can mess you up so badly on zerker thief, you will probably end up at spawn.

I’m sorry I can’t think of any passive that is going to kill you. Maybe if your one of those thieves that just AAs into EP while the warrior wails on their face.

All zerk thief means is that you have to be on the ball with evades, rotations, and positioning.

Go make zerker thief and engage a DH

@gw niko.1049: used to be possible, not anymore since they changed amulet stats and everything became so spammy, loaded with AoS, boons and passives.
I actually miss hambow meta, there were few a bit too strong things but generally it was all about resource management, timing etc. All gone. Game is playing itself now for most part, all for the sake for casuals, bad players and pve’ers (no offense, but it is true).

Ayrilana.1396:

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/834494228831076353

Due to a crash error, we have temporarily disabled the Bastion of the Penitent raid wing. We will update when it is available. ~RB2

Will never understand why Anet uses 3rd party platforms for important infos like this. Not everyone is social media freak (for good reasons too, since they constantly break privacy/data protection laws).

Crinn.7864:

R O C.6574:

When I think high risk, I think Berserker Thief

No zerk thief has a extremely low margin of error. Margin of error is not related to how risky it is.
The margin of error for performing a major surgery is very low, but a surgery done by a experienced surgeon has very little risk.

High risk would be something like going for niflhel beast when the other team’s thief’s whereabouts are unknown.

Actually zerker thief would be at risk constantly simply because he has no way to tell which passives are up on target. One passive can mess you up so badly on zerker thief, you will probably end up at spawn.

FrostDraco.8306:

Cynz.9437:

OP, there is thread about it in general discussion. I am certainly not seeing myself buying any ascended gear with pvp/fractals tokens any time soon. It is simply not worth it if you calculate costs of mats + time spent to get those tokens, especially when ascended boxes drop from raids/fractals and you can buy gear for magnetite shards which are not time gated to a season and don’t require crafting stuff.

Saying that as pvp’er you don’t need gear is stupid, a lot of players don’t just sit in pvp 24/7 but also participate in other aspects of the game. At least in fractals ascended gear is a must, simply due to infusions. You are not going to get into many raiding groups as well nowadays unless you have proper ascended gear.

I personally have been participating in every game mode (although i quit wvw ages ago, too boring): i raid every week, i do fractals every day and pvp obviously. From my experience gold and mats gains from pvp are absolute joke outside of recent ranked rewards during the season, but it is time gated and not always available unlike fractals or raids. The chances to get ascended from pvp are also absolute joke. I have had more drops from killing 9 bosses in 1 week and some fractal runs than in months of pvp.

You just invalidated your own point. If you are playing other game modes, then you are earning gold from said game modes, which means you can pay for it like everyone else.

Also the statement about raids is an outright lie. At most groups require asc trinkets and weapons, not ascended armor. And even then most groups only require exotic. And with the new patch giving you easy access to an ascended weapon, and berry farming literally giving you trinkets up the kitten , no one should be complaining about this AT ALL.

The problem is, if i spent 90% of time in pvp and only did say fractals once in a while, it would take me probably a year to get enough mats for a set.
I have few characters geared by now i couldn’t care anymore but i remember when i had to craft the pieces i had to simply give up on pvp and i have issue with it.
Most raid groups require only asc trinkets and weps? Is this a joke? When have you raided last time lol? For VG and escort maybe ppl won’t care, but gl getting in Xera or Matt groups.
Also, i am not complaining (as said, i have few characters geared by now and sitting on thousands of magnetite shards and bunch asc boxes, so it doesn’t affect me much), i just think the way the change is implemented is unreasonable.

@PlatinumMember.5274: yeah you can make gold/farm mats from other modes but it would require you to basically completely drop pvp, coming from personal experience. Usually “farms” require you to sit in good maps or in instance even and in a squad -> no pvp queues for you.
Crafters are not punished, crafting gives you guaranteed way to get piece you want. I mean you can also say, why should crafters be punished when you can get ascended drop from boxes.
Getting ascended for losing matches is different discussion. I don’t think any half decent pvp’er actually welcomed such implementation.

All friendly fields appear red, known issue.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

buy rings for pristine fractal relics. Salvage. Profit. Problem solved.

@ Cynz, do dialy CM challenge mode, you get 1 salvage garanteed.

takes too long with bad groups and there is no guarantee not to get one

apharma.3741:

Cynz.9437:

Amineo.8951:

I’m pretty sure Thief is the best DPS now (followed by Engineer) since the big nerf of Meteor Shower (hits 2 times less than before) and Overload air (7% damage nerf), Ele might be on par with DH now (for small targets that is) which hopefully will deliver more love to the other professions.

Yeah, except they didn’t do anything to improve (basically non-existent) group utility of the thief so overall ele is still more useful (rebound on Matt, Xera, Gorse anyone?).

You are there in a DPS role, why are you talking about utility? Basi venom > rebound and a lot use fgs instead of rebound for the dps. That’s without mentioning how much easier it is to do good DPS on thief so your average player (read: bad player needing something easy) will be much more use actually pulling something remotely close to the DPS they should on thief than playing ele, going down all the time and fudging up their rotation.

The biggest thing you should be complaining about is the possibility of a nearly all “condi meta” dominated by rangers. It’s funny how in ANets attempt to bring about diversity they may have made raids less diverse than ever. I know every class will be fine if you’re good at it, won’t stop ignorant kittens claiming something is useless because they see the rankings and don’t interpret them properly.

Reality check: I have rev, engi, chrono, thief, ele geared for raids atm (ascended, runes etc.) yet i can’t find any groups for any of those profs beside my ele and chrono (despite me being thief main and playing thief for years), just saying.

Assuming you have HoT (which you should if you want to compete). Engi got dumbed down extremely (first hand experience here), scrapper is by far way easier to play than core and way more efficient. Gyros saw few nerfs (bye bye dazes) as well as damage but nothing too drastic that would change engi role or their viability. Still a point holder/bunker/bruiser, avoid necros otherwise you are golden.

Thief is still same old +1/decap pet, just with more dodges and less stealth. Overall not much changed, you still can’t 1v1 most classes, still get flamed if more than 1 thief is on team etc. You will find that there is so much AoE on points that can potetially one shot you, that you probably won’t even bother engaging the fights. GL trying to steal boons from enemies as s/d – block block block blind CCs and just absurd amount of boon generation will make s/d look like a joke. You can play S/D if you are good but at higher ratings you will be basically useless. If you want to compete either run d/p or staff.

For s/d i think the most important things are:
- they “fixed” the sword 2 trick with jump so you can’t use it anymore <_<
- all stealth based attacks (backstab, tactical strike and co.) have 1 sec CD (+ aftercast) now

They messed around with dagger4, dagger 5 and sword 2 modifiers a bit but overall i don’t think you will notice much difference (someone correct me here, as i don’t main s/d).

Most importantly, revs got nerfed enough that thieves are actually back to being main roamers and revs need to watch out for thieves.

You should try out asian version of GW2 – suddenly western GW2 is most casual game world.

I think they make non-joke weapons for weapons that already have joke-version and joke version for weapons that have non-joke version.
I have Quip for example and was glad to switch to H.O.P.E (which rocks).
Not big fan of new sb (although anything is more welcome compared to unicorn generator) then again it is a taste thing.

PlatinumMember.5274:

Ruthenium Panther.8679:

Tongku.5326:

but it should have never been so disproportionally cheap and easy to get in the 1st place.

Sure. But the problem is that they should give everybody spend their asc shards before introducing new system.

They gave you five days to spend it. At this stage it is nearly all your fault.

They gave the time to people who check certain sections of the forums and they also didn’t announce that it will cost you 300 more gold (in best case, i am sure the prices for mats gonna blow out of proportions within few weeks).

I have the opposite issue, i keep doing fractals and never have enough salvage kits O.o

Wargameur.6950:

Cygnus.6903:

Wargameur.6950:

The buff to ghost thief made me laugh ^^

That’s only if you ignore the community’s cry to delete this build that should never exist in the first place.

The buffs to Ghost Thief single handedly showed they still don’t give a kitten about WvW.

I know, that’s why it mades me laugh….Just like the +400 post long thread about pulmonary impact needs a nerf and they didn’t touch it at all. That’s ironic.

But come on, you don’t have an army of ghost thief running around and that is not something that will make you lose a match…At most it makes people being more aware of their surroundings and maybe change utilities while running to meet up with their blob….I cringe when I see how low awareness and reflexes non roamers WvW players have…

Should i remind you that probably half of those 400 posts disagree with the nerf.

Supreme.3164:

Cynz.9437:

I played core thief (DA, TR, SA d/p sb) to/in plat on my alt account. Was doing fine i would say, beside my teammates flaming me for using refuge and not having HoT spec. Need to play extremely careful though, as “SA” (omg filters cmon) for example just can’t keep up with condi overload that necros and wars dump on you and you don’t have dodges to deal with DH traps. Chills are real issue. It also becomes very obvious, when you play core, how stupidly broken Hot specs are in mobility department. Druids got RTL on 18 sec CD for example (i wanna see the guy that decided it was good idea to give bunkery point holder long range gapcloser + evade on such short CD), gl getting decaps vs them while not running DD.

To be fair

A s/x – GS ranger can cover way more distance of a druid with staff and on shorter CD:
rotate camera backward sword 2 roll back, rotate front and leap, swap to gs and leap with gs3 = total area covered 2100 range every 12s…and we are talking about core ranger and both sword 2 and gs3 are evades

That ranger is also way easier to kill than the druid, let’s not forget it.

Amineo.8951:

I’m pretty sure Thief is the best DPS now (followed by Engineer) since the big nerf of Meteor Shower (hits 2 times less than before) and Overload air (7% damage nerf), Ele might be on par with DH now (for small targets that is) which hopefully will deliver more love to the other professions.

Yeah, except they didn’t do anything to improve (basically non-existent) group utility of the thief so overall ele is still more useful (rebound on Matt, Xera, Gorse anyone?).

MrSilver.5269:

Cynz.9437:

It is stealth camping trapper thief, combination of traps, procs, food and traits killed you. You may thank the community (constantly complaining about power builds) and Anet for consistently nerfing power builds and buffing cheesy crap like trapper/condi builds.
If you ever complained about power builds from thief, you may thank yourself for the results you just experienced.

Thanks for the reply. It was vicious, and I just don’t see a way to counter it because I didn’t have enough condi clear (and I’m speced for condi clear).

Piece of advice: if you can, don’t stand on same place nor follow the thief. At the end it is same as with DH – do not stand in traps duhh. Just ignore him and proceed going somewhere else, he won’t be able to kill you. If you play engi or rev, reveal is your friend. Same as reveal trap.

It is stealth camping trapper thief, combination of traps, procs, food and traits killed you. You may thank the community (constantly complaining about power builds) and Anet for consistently nerfing power builds and buffing cheesy crap like trapper/condi builds.
If you ever complained about power builds from thief, you may thank yourself for the results you just experienced.

I played core thief (DA, TR, SA d/p sb) to/in plat on my alt account. Was doing fine i would say, beside my teammates flaming me for using refuge and not having HoT spec. Need to play extremely careful though, as “SA” (omg filters cmon) for example just can’t keep up with condi overload that necros and wars dump on you and you don’t have dodges to deal with DH traps. Chills are real issue. It also becomes very obvious, when you play core, how stupidly broken Hot specs are in mobility department. Druids got RTL on 18 sec CD for example (i wanna see the guy that decided it was good idea to give bunkery point holder long range gapcloser + evade on such short CD), gl getting decaps vs them while not running DD.

Oddly enough the patch actually buffed the build i run (i use withdraw and DA instead of acro) however in the big picture (see other classes) i feel like we got screwed pretty badly and will probably resort to season 1 decap bot-style that never engages any fights.

Vault definitely feels buggy, i have been running it in pve and it feels very inconsistent when you use it on the same place where you stand. It also oddly enough often doesn’t go to location i pointed unlike before patch, i thought the goal of the patch was to fix this very issue but it seems they broke it more O.o

I am actually surprised they nerfed dodges in pvp but left out wvw. They actually buffed ghost thief lel.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Cynz.9437:

khani.4786:

Another option for those with alt accounts is to park a lvl 60 character at Sharkmaw and open the chest each day. It’s slow, but it works just like folks do with lvl 20 characters for silver doubloons.

does it work with lv 53 character?

Yes, it does. The break points for silver doubloons are L21-35 based on its level requirement of 20. If I recall correctly, Copper can drop from 0 to L25, Gold at ~30 to 50, and Platinum from ~45-60 or so. I’ll see if I can find my notes, since the data seems absent from the wiki.

added: I’m getting gold on an L48, plat on L53 & 60.

Oh sweet, i have an alt at lv 53 to open all raid bags for linen/plat/hard wood xD Can use him for plat doubloons as well. Thank you

OP, there is thread about it in general discussion. I am certainly not seeing myself buying any ascended gear with pvp/fractals tokens any time soon. It is simply not worth it if you calculate costs of mats + time spent to get those tokens, especially when ascended boxes drop from raids/fractals and you can buy gear for magnetite shards which are not time gated to a season and don’t require crafting stuff.

Saying that as pvp’er you don’t need gear is stupid, a lot of players don’t just sit in pvp 24/7 but also participate in other aspects of the game. At least in fractals ascended gear is a must, simply due to infusions. You are not going to get into many raiding groups as well nowadays unless you have proper ascended gear.

I personally have been participating in every game mode (although i quit wvw ages ago, too boring): i raid every week, i do fractals every day and pvp obviously. From my experience gold and mats gains from pvp are absolute joke outside of recent ranked rewards during the season, but it is time gated and not always available unlike fractals or raids. The chances to get ascended from pvp are also absolute joke. I have had more drops from killing 9 bosses in 1 week and some fractal runs than in months of pvp.

Have you fought warriors yet xD?

khani.4786:

Another option for those with alt accounts is to park a lvl 60 character at Sharkmaw and open the chest each day. It’s slow, but it works just like folks do with lvl 20 characters for silver doubloons.

does it work with lv 53 character?

Think about all that time spent to gain those tokens. In the same time i could do some mindless box farm…. Not to mention, the mats and gold gains as pvp’er are abysmal outside of ranked arena during the season….
How to screw over players 101. I guess they balance this game for few people with 1 mil gold.

Zenith.7301:

OriOri.8724:

Now there’s an idea. I wonder how kittened off thief mains would be if PI couldn’t proc off an interrupted auto attack lol. Probably would be UP at that point but it would be funny to see their reactions to it.

How would it be UP, it’s virtually a free 3-4k damage when someone tries to hill or use any of the other 9 skills on their bar, given how spammable headshot is now that they don’t need to spend initiative to do damage via backstab since autoattacks were buffed.

meanwhile DH AA does as much dmg as PI from 1200 range and everyone is fine with it