Guild Wars 2

Cina Reas.6938:

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t a level in an MMORPG conventionally marked by an improvement in character stats. If that’s correct them GW2 has less than a third of what was included in the original game!

Reading the wiki I can only see 14 points during experience gain, at which the character improves attributes, plus 10 intermediate points in which the character could improve via traits.

I guess I should be happy that I played to 80 when it was possible.

It’s the same. They just lumped the stats together differently. Same with skill points.

Do people get suspensions frequently? I’ve never even heard of someone getting a 3-day suspension, maybe because I don’t hang around kittens. Sounds like it would be a non-issue quite honestly. And like Vayne said, you get enough of them and you get banned.

Belzebu.3912:

Yes it works but then you have 1 small risk, your “fake” bid be completed before you can sell your item.

^^ exactly. You run the risk of someone actually selling it to you for your “high” bid. Now you’re out a bunch of money you weren’t planning on spending and have to post yet another item you are already trying to sell. And odds are at this point someone already undercut your original item, so now you also have to undercut your first item, or take it down and repost it, causing you to have wasted that listing fee. Then maybe try the same tactic of jacking up the buy orders, and running the risk of someone selling that item to you again, now you have 3 items you are trying to move, two of which you paid a significantly higher price because you thought you were a genius jacking up the buy orders. There is a good chance you will end up losing money.

I believe the OP was being sarcastic? I mean, he has to be, right? An obsidian shard?

RuneCrimson.7380:

I got a Whisper from a friend on my list about RPing in the Straights of Devastation. I have always been confused on how to RP in a MMO so I turned him down and said I am not sure how to RP in a MMO GAME.

So tell me how does one RP in a game where everything is repetitive….the events the hearts the vista’s the poi’s Map completion its all the same on every name every few hours or minutes so how can you RP without repeating the RP over and over and over and over. It would get very very very boring after a while. How would you go about RPing out getting a Vista or a PoI How would you RP doing a event more then once. Its just not exactly productive in a MMO to RP when everything is the same every day…there would be NO new RP. After a week the RP would be over. Just saying I just don’t understand how it would be done and would never even attempt it in a MMO.

You don’t RP for progression. So for example, vistas, POIs, skill points, you wouldn’t typically get those if you were RPing, unless you happened to come across them.

Events can definitely be RP’d, but if you’ve done certain events a bunch of times, then maybe try other events.

I find the best RPing is through /s or /p where the chat bubbles show up overhead. That way you don’t have to look down at a chat box too often. You will miss emotes, but meh.

So essentially you play as your character. Like if I am playing my giant Charr warrior, in my mind he is kind of slow-witted and hates humans, but is a big softie as long as you aren’t a filthy human. So then you partner up with a friend or friends who are also wanting to RP and you go and do whatever the heck you want. Some people walk around cities, some go to a specific zone and do events, etc. But each of you speaks/acts as though you are that character. As though you are playing that role.

You aren’t simply working on map completion while saying that you are RPing. That’s not RPing.

If you aren’t into RPing then it sounds stupid and a waste of time. If you are into roleplaying its fun as heck.

You can try a survey, but in the end, all we’ll be left with is: “I guess everything is terrible and also everything is great; also a lot of people want X feature added, but apparently a lot of people would quit it we add X feature…”

That’s a lot of time/money wasted to figure out the player base has absolutely no consensus on what they do or don’t want from this game. They just want this game (or whatever game comes next) to be the greatest MMO they’ve ever played in their entire lives forever…

As someone who did not play Guild Wars 1, I gotta say, I didn’t hear/see any hype. Quite honestly, I didn’t even know GW2 was coming out until some friends who played GW1 said something and begged me to try it with them (at early release). I reluctantly agreed and have been playing every day since, as have all of my friends. Well, there was one guy who did not like GW2 because it wasn’t like GW1. He’s off playing Destiny/WoW now.

So can I assume all of the hype being referenced here is whatever hype was directed towards GW1 players? I honestly feel bad for you guys. Going into the game fresh without any expectations = fantastic game.

And especially hard for color blind people who lose the normal cursor pretty much all of the time because of all of the particle effects, let alone the targeting circle. At least I assume it is only colorblind people (I’m colorblind), but regular people might be losing the cursors as well.

It’s hands-down one of my biggest issues with this game— the darn cursor. AOE on target would eliminate one of the needs to see the cursor.

Some people that are “elitist” aren’t even that good, they are just impatient. Another example, I was doing a FoTM45, we rolled swamp, you know because easy, right? It was myself and a guildie who started it and we PUG’d 3 people.

Well anyone who has done swamp knows that there are ideal locations, one of the worst being skelk just because of the distance and the darn skelks, but I was feeling adventurous so we didn’t reset it, and you know what, random things do happen so a couple of poorly timed tree movements, and those darn chill fields (instability for 45) caused us to not succeed our first attempt.

This dude says “OMG seriously?! You failed this? ****ing noobs… You get one more chance at this and that’s it.” Which by the way he wasn’t even running them.

I simply said, “Yea, we don’t need BS like that in this group, have a nice day” and kicked him. We succeeded the second attempt, 4-manned Bloom, then picked up a 5th for the rest of the fractals and finished in record time, no wipes, no issues.

To me, the guy I kicked is the kind of guy that would be in support of damage meters.

You mean the long range shot that requires the warrior to stand completely still and is easily dodged? That long range shot? Yea………..I think the new class you’re talking about is the walking target dummy.

Mitch.4781:

ipan.4356:

This is the very thing I hate in games like this.

why though? It can help you improve ur skills

I can tell you exactly why I hate this kind of thing. It sucks the fun out of running dungeons. But why, you ask? Because sometimes I want to run a dungeon casually, maybe while watching TV, or maybe while eating cereal. I won’t claim to be the best player in the world, but I’m a pretty darn good one. Cleared all dungeons, cleared FoTM50, all world bosses, etc. So I know what I’m doing in a dungeon.

Honestly the dungeons are easy to me, and therefore I don’t feel the need to be at maximum focus anymore. I can miss the occasional reflect wall, or dodge, or maybe I didn’t time my skill rotations perfectly because I was mildly distracted, so what. We will still roll through the dungeon like it was a joke.

I don’t need some dude telling me, “hey bro, everyone is at 600DPS, you’re only at 500DPS, pick it up or I’m kicking you, scrub.” I don’t want every dungeon I run to potentially have some statistics overlord pouring over the damage numbers to call out who isn’t working at maximum efficiency. GW2 doesn’t have any kind of content where this is necessary. It turns the game into work, not fun.

Further, it’s plainly obvious who isn’t pulling their weight. For example: I ran a FoTM30 the other day, had a Guardian on the team that was ONLY using staff. Literally for every part of the dungeon. There is no doubt in my mind his DPS is lacking, I don’t need a meter to tell me that. I can just tell him, “hey guardian, do you have any other weapon besides a staff?” Or a thief I played with once that exclusively used short bow.

As someone who uses the shattered wings on one of his characters, I would say no thanks. Not because I don’t think your friends should have it, well that’s not true, that’s exactly why. I like the exclusivity lol.

If they do add it I wouldn’t be upset, but I certainly won’t support a suggestion that would detract from the exclusivity of an item I have. I simply care too much about looking unique.

Asmodeus.5782:

Draknar.5748:

The most affected areas are 1-15 and 15-25 zones.

And 80. Cursed Shore used to be the most challenging place in the game. Now you have to run around its farthest corners to escape all the people. Most of the Risen are taken and being actively farmed. You’re not a hero there, you’re a part of a huge looting tour.

Dry Top is also great clusters of people spamming trash mobs and occasional vets with as much AoE as possible. And the champions just melt and die, with most players on autoattack. At least a few events there demand some active participation, like carrying/recovering kites. But it’s still a hugely overpopulated clusterkitten.

I mentioned Orr specifically and that only the popular events are the ones being swarmed, the same ones that were always popular, and this is of course, as you may recall, the area that had the largest number of complaints of being a ghost town. People would guest to multiple different servers in the hopes they could find someone, anyone, running the temple events. There are definitely still areas you can go to in Orr that have events no one cares about, I run through them all the time trying to get to the popular ones.

Dry Top is the newest zone. Of course there are people crowding it. And even then, events fail constantly if there aren’t enough people in the map. People purposely try to taxi to the higher population maps on Dry Top so they can get to the higher tiers. You are part of a small % of people that wants Dry Top to be empty so they can solo/duo the events there, and even then I’m pretty sure some of them are downright impossible without a sizable group.

Do you want to be able to do all of the most popular/rewarding events by yourself and/or with minimal people? Is that what your hope is?

Asmodeus.5782:

Kestrelle, I honestly don’t know how often one has to repeat it for some people to comprehend. I do not like oversimplified farms. I like interesting mechanics and gameplay. Which are non-existent when the high population turns everything into chaotic and frantic racing to tag a mob before it’s dead. Especially after the whole trait-related nerfs of all available creatures.

Doing stuff with others is awesome if the others are actually necessary to do this stuff and the enemies are still able to fight us instead of violently and instantly imploding under a truckload of light effects.

What % of events would you say ends up with too many people? The earlier zones are pretty much the only spots you might really see it, and typically it will be events near a WP. But I can tell you that I am able to solo every event in, say, Mount Maelstrom or Southsun because no one seems to want to do them (maybe one other random person will join in). Even in Orr, there are only certain events that get swarmed, but they are the events that have always been popular, it’s nothing new really.

If you are hanging out in low level maps, you can’t possibly claim you are after harder content. If you are in the area of a world boss that has been farmed since the beginning of GW2, you can’t really complain about too many people or it being too easy, it has always been that way. Plus there is a posted schedule for all world bosses. If you are in Wayfarer Foothills at Krennak’s Homestead doing events at the time Shaman is up, you will get swarmed, that has always been the case and it is temporary.

The most affected areas are 1-15 and 15-25 zones. All of which are considered starter zones and easy content already.

I will do a test tonight in Bloodtide (after Tequatl of course, because everyone knows that zone fills up at a certain time) and start doing events. I have a feeling I will be alone for 95% of them, but we shall see.

weston.3457:

fellyn.5083:

That’s nonsense. Name a single event that is in the game that can’t be completed by design and I’ll tell you that you’re lying and/or exaggerating in the extreme to prove a point.

i will again restate, go try and defend nebo terrace :]

I know you’ve said this, but I’m pretty sure I’ve successfully defended Nebo Terrance on a number of occasions. Are you telling me the event is now impossible no matter what size group of people? Isn’t it the one with the centaurs and three different entrances that you need to fight off? If it is, then I’ve completely it every time I’ve attempted it. If you are talking about a different event then I will have to look into that.

Selene.9415:

Malediktus.9250:

Labjax.2465:

I really feel like the people saying no to this are not getting the fact that with the OP’s proposed changes, it will still take just as long to get both full sets… it just puts the focus on getting one set complete and then working on the 2nd set, instead of getting incomplete pieces from both sets before you can get a single set complete.

but that would significantly reduce the prestige of having a complete set. It gets harder and harder to raise AP the more easy achievements you completed. So 33k/36k AP show a lot more dedication that easy as hell 18k. You dont have to do any of the more demanding achievements to reach 18k if you started playing regulary at release.

The game will last many years, Anet added an achievement for having a 10 year old character.

18k is easy? I’ve played 2410hours since launch and am still only at 8.7k achievement points. I’ve maxed at hobby dungeon and agent of entropy, I’ve gotten 99% of all jumping puzzles, I have 4/8 crafting professions maxed (2 to 500), 400 points from HoM and the achievements that I haven’t done in PvE give me a measly amount of points (maybe another 400-500 in total). Unless I want to start playing PvP or WvW (hint: I don’t) for hours every day, the radiant/hellfire chest/legs would take me years to reach, even if I do all of the LS achievements.

And the game will last for 10 years? Sure, Anet planned ahead for that many birthdays, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will last for 10 years (even though I hope it does).

?? I’ve been playing since early release and have ~1400hrs logged (I’m fairly casual) and I’m at 14k AP. How the heck are you only at 8.7k with almost twice the hours played?? There are tons of achievements to get if you actually focus on getting achievements.

If you aren’t focused on getting achievements/AP then can you really complain that the armor obtained exclusively from achievments/AP is too difficult to obtain?

That’s like running a CoF p1 once a week and then complaining that it takes too long to get the armor. If you concentrated your focus on CoF, all 3 paths every day, you would get marks like crazy.

I’m not saying the AP requirements for the armor are reasonable, because they are certainly high, but at 2400hrs play time and you are actively trying to get AP, you should be at 18k+ by now easily.

Vayne.8563:

Draknar.5748:

Vayne.8563:

She asked nicely in chat if people would let her get the achievement.

Asking if someone will let you do something, even nicely, at least to me, is still asking for permission.

“Will you let me do X” and “Will you permit me to do X” are synonymous.

But now we are getting off topic.

Okay, I was paraphrasing, because I didn’t actually see what she typed. She simply made it known she needed the achievement, however she did it. I’m pretty sure she didn’t ask for permission, because she wouldn’t. She’d have said something like, I need the achievement.

Whatever the case, we’ll never know because I’m sure she doesn’t remember what she said. I wasn’t quoting her verbatim, I was just trying to thank the people who were nice.

Just giving you a hard time because I know you can take it lol :P

Personally I would make the announcement, probably like she did.

“Attention farmers, I am in need of X achievement. I am notifying you that I will be attempting to complete X achievement and then I will be gone and you may go about your farming business. Thank you for your understanding in this matter.”

And then go about my business, ignoring the people that say “NOOOO GTFO, find a new MAP NOOOO my loooootsczs.” It may require that I bring a group of people, in some cases.

Vayne.8563:

She asked nicely in chat if people would let her get the achievement.

Asking if someone will let you do something, even nicely, at least to me, is still asking for permission.

“Will you let me do X” and “Will you permit me to do X” are synonymous.

But now we are getting off topic.

Asmodeus.5782:

Draknar.5748:

I was in Diessa Plateau the other day, happened to be leveling an alt with my gf (now fiancee go me!), so two of us. We were in the Meatoberfest area, saw the event where you need to protect the fireworks. When we got there, there were two others there. Ok now there are four of us. Halfway through the event, 3 more people showed up and finished it with us. No joke, one of the guys who was there from the beginning says “Where are all these people coming from! UGH stupid megaserver BS Anet ruined this game”.

There were seven people. SEVEN. And this guy thought it was too many people. I mean seriously. To me, 50 people is too many for an event. Dozens, which I will estimate at 24ish, is completely reasonable. If that is simply too many people to be “forced to” play next to for an event, then I really don’t know what to say.

This event. Which a single person does with relative ease. Two people have fun with it, granted. Three people usually obliterate the separatists before they even touch a launcher. And you’re saying seven is not a problem.

We asked for better scaling, there was none. So let us escape to our empty versions of maps, where there is actually a point in utilizing our character skills for something else than frantic mob tagging, if for you 7 people (at least one of them 80, probably) on an entirely soloable beginner level event, is not a problem.

Also: the centaur heart on the west side of the Kessex Hills? You better be a 1500 ranger if you want to get some centaurs for it in the prime time. Dead at spawn, those poor creatures.

inb4 “go play a solo game”:

Doing Dwayna, Fire Elemental, Golem MkII and such in groups of 5 to 10 people or so was mighty fun. It was on Piken, a high population server. I loved these events, we could die, we could even fail, sometimes. Meeting up with a random person and destroying some champ without the third appearing and making it a kindergarten play also used to be a nice experience. Heck, and if somebody else showed up, it was all cool, because the game offered so many champs for a just right amount of people. And I always could find some content to solo, just to stretch my brain for a while. Welp. All this gone, pretty much.

AGAIN: PLAY LIKE YOU WANT IT, BUT LET THOSE, WHO WANT MORE BREATHING SPACE ESCAPE THE FULL POPULATION MAPS

If a zerg rolled through, yea I’d be a bit miffed, but 7 people? Come now, that’s a very reasonable figure. Not sure if any of the others were 80s, but judging by the looks, we were all alts trying to level. Especially in an earlier zone (15-25) you should completely expect there to be at least six other people in the area. With daily Events as a daily category, it’s very plausible that those six people would migrate to an event you are doing. That isn’t Anet’s fault, or the megaserver’s fault, that is just a normal MMORPG population trying to progress. You could argue it is a scaling issue, but the event did scale with increased adds. The adds didn’t take any longer to kill, there were just more of them and the % went up slower.

The ultimate point is that someone will always complain. Either someone will complain it is a complete zerg fest, or that it is a ghost town, or in your and the guy in Diessa’s case that more than 1-2 people at a normal event is simply too many because it takes away the challenge due to poor scaling, which on some events I agree completely, however it has never really bothered me. I just know it will be an easy quick event for XP, karma, daily credit, whatever, then I move on.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

@Draknar – He got upset over seven people? Seriously? He wasn’t being sarcastic or anything?

I think he was mad that things were dying faster than he wanted. If he was being sarcastic he did a terrible job at it. No “/sarcasm” or anything.

Palador.2170:

Vayne.8563:

Palador.2170:

Vayne.8563:

Focusing on those details make people more unsatisfied than they need to be.

You may be right there. I think I can agree to disagree on the details, and get back to running around in PvP and making my team lose because I suck.

(Sorry to all I team with, but I want that CoF armor and I can’t buy dungeon tokens with laurels, so you’re stuck with me.)

I hate to ask but why not just run CoF?

I don’t like doing team stuff.

I don’t much care for PvP either, but the matches are short and I can take it in small bites at least. And even if I suck in PvP, if anyone’s killing me then they’re not killing someone else on my team, right?

You can be on my team any day lol.

fellyn.5083:

cranked.3812:

Stop whining and let people farm for crying out loud. The rewards in this game are already nerfed to the ground. Is it so bad to let people farm the two spots in the game that are farmable? The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

Also, what Joe said ^^. Where is the toxicity in this case other than a couple people yelling to stop attacking?

No. How about stop farming events that aren’t meant to be farmed and getting them nerfed for everyone who plays them properly.

I think I may camp this event for the next few days to see if I can do my best that it finishes every time.

I’ll bring friends, too.

And thus the cycle continues.

Ykfox.3825:

Welp, I stand corrected, there are mentions of Wyverns I suppose. Although I’m fairly sure there’s nothing that actually refers to a Wyvern as an actual existing creature in GW1….

Much like Wyverns in the real world. Or unicorns.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Draknar.5748:

I think the issue is that she had to essentially ask permission to do an event that she should be allowed to complete to progress her Living Story without any other players’ permission.

I’m curious what would have happened if they said “NO GTFO NUB.” Would you guys apologize and then try to taxi to a different map?

Need should take priority over want.

Neither getting the achievements done nor farming are needs. She asked permission because she is one (1) person asking many (>1) people to do something they ordinarily wouldn’t do. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and their reaction was noble; they had no obligation to finish the event.

The only “toxicity” that happens at these chains is when people start being rude because they demand that others do what they want even if they don’t want to.

Are we not talking about one of the events needed to progress Living Story? If we are not, then disregard what I said. If it’s just for achievement points then both parties are in the same boat, I agree.

yerok.5469:

they seem like more of a passing thought than a core part of the game. never really elaborated on or even emphasized to use. 2 years in and I never see anyone try to combo

I see combos used quite a bit in WvW. On rams that are taking damage/condi for example.

Outside of that I rarely see people try to combo. It usually just happens.

Vayne.8563:

So my wife needed this achievement and got onto a farming map. She asked nicely in chat if people would let her get the achievement.

Not a single word of dissent. Everyone stopped, finished the event, let her get her achievement (2 actually) and nice as pie.

Thanks to those farmers who are helpful. You don’t deserve to get painted with the same brush as those who think they own the map.

I think the issue is that she had to essentially ask permission to do an event that she should be allowed to complete to progress her Living Story without any other players’ permission.

I’m curious what would have happened if they said “NO GTFO NUB.” Would you guys apologize and then try to taxi to a different map?

Need should take priority over want.

Harper.4173:

TheFool.4589:

Draknar.5748:

Harper.4173:

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

On log in: big pop-up in the middle of your screen. You get a reward for filling out the survey. It will exclusively hit active players of all types. That’s how you do it. You don’t need facebook, you don’t need forums, neither of those are representative anyway. You need the players and where better to reach the people who play your game than in the actual game.

This. You knocked it out of the park. Your idea surpasses mine and I give you a one up good sir! Im all for this. Reach the players in the game through this.

You might think that’d be effective but actually you’re only targeting one active segment of the player base for a short amount of time. You’re not looking at future or returning players. Just the ones playing now – which is short sighted.

I’m willing to bet you that the majority of players now in game didn’t play at launch – and decisions that could have been made back then could have impacted whether these players ended up with the game or not.

Targeting future players is practically impossible. Plus what would be accomplished by surveying people who have potentially never heard of the game nor ever played it, I mean what would they know about anything, that data would be completely useless. Returning players would get the same survey so you aren’t excluding them, as they would be returning and thus in game to take the survey.

Asmodeus.5782:

Maxwell: we never want to be forced to run around smothered by dozens of people who flock to each event, making them embarrasingly easy. We like our game fairly challenging and interesting, with small to moderate map populations. Simple as that.

You mean the world bosses and Orr event chain? What other events are dozens of people flocking to, smothering players? Also, what is the threshold for “too many players”?

Dozens? Ten? 100?

I was in Diessa Plateau the other day, happened to be leveling an alt with my gf (now fiancee go me!), so two of us. We were in the Meatoberfest area, saw the event where you need to protect the fireworks. When we got there, there were two others there. Ok now there are four of us. Halfway through the event, 3 more people showed up and finished it with us. No joke, one of the guys who was there from the beginning says “Where are all these people coming from! UGH stupid megaserver BS Anet ruined this game”.

There were seven people. SEVEN. And this guy thought it was too many people. I mean seriously. To me, 50 people is too many for an event. Dozens, which I will estimate at 24ish, is completely reasonable. If that is simply too many people to be “forced to” play next to for an event, then I really don’t know what to say.

Use it. It’s a good color to have unlocked and you can make 40g relatively easy when you hit 80.

Or sell it now, then buy another one when you hit 80 and save up 40g. There’s really no wrong choice.

Harper.4173:

Let me explain to you why this won’t work.

It won’t work because there’s no way to reach out and ask every player playing the game what they want and how they want it.

You mention making use of player suggestions and using votes – my question is where?

The forum population is a very small part of the total population of players playing the game.
More so – the forum population isn’t even representative for the majority of players in game as the people who post on these forums are usually highly invested in the game and at least more knowledgeable about the game than average.

So you want to ask a minority of the player base how to change the game? It might work ( in the small picture) and those who posted, suggested and voted and whose voices were heard might be satisfied but in the big picture you might lose more players who never even touch the forums and who will feel too alienated by the changes.

Though the idea has merits in theory the bottom line is you can’t have people “vote” because you don’t even have a means to reach them.

What about returning players? There’s a sizable amount of players in hiatus right now – and while they’re not here at the moment they might be back with the new LS patch. Do you exclude them ? Do you include them?

How do you determine who gets a vote?

Ultimately it isn’t doable.

On log in: big pop-up in the middle of your screen. You get a reward for filling out the survey. It will exclusively hit active players of all types. That’s how you do it. You don’t need facebook, you don’t need forums, neither of those are representative anyway. You need the players and where better to reach the people who play your game than in the actual game.

Hannelore.8153:

Speedrunners do it for efficiency. But everyone does it just to get the thing to die while they sit drinking a coffee, chewing gum and pressing 1 repeatedly.

And that’s just dungeons, open world is downright unspeakable.

I can honestly say I’ve never once run a dungeon where someone was just pressing 1 repeatedly. World bosses definitely, but that is not exclusive to people in Zerker gear, pretty much the entire zerg mashes 1 for the majority of world boss fights, that’s a zerg mentality thing. But dungeons? I’ve never seen or heard of people doing that.

mesme.5028:

Its a polite way of being rude, in other words the problem is you, they are just being dismissive and arrogant, you view or opinion isn’t one they wish to consider so please stop playing.

I guess it could also be use to try and get a rise out of someone.

I check back every now and then to see if i feel the game is worth playing again, there is so much to like about gw2 and so many disappointments, for me the latter out ways the former atm but each to their own.

Check back in the game or check back on the forums? If you gauge whether or not a game is worth playing again by checking the forums then you are doing yourself a huge disservice.

Yenrah.8532:

Draknar.5748:

>blah blah<

I feel for Anet. I really do.

Really?
Let me put it this way: I never complained about too few players on maps before megaserver and it was nothing of a ghost town back than, it was actually still more populated than any other MMO I played and it was just fine. And yes, I was very unhappy with the introduction of the megaserver that forced me into zergs. But this topic isn’t about any of this.
I got used to megaservers. Hugh part of what i enjoyed was taken away, but well, you cant have it all. Sometimes I even did manage to find moderately populated map and I could stay there for some time have fun. Could have been worse.
But now. What do I get now? I will translate this window for you:
“This is the map you were looking for. You will be kicked in 10… 9… 8…
>>Prepare for death in ten, in nine, in eight seconds. Death will commence in seven, six…<<
>>Prepare to evacuate soul in ten, in nine, eight.<<
>>Death will commence in five.
Five, four.
Four, thee.
Tree, two.
Prepare for the last breath, now.
Evacuate.<<”
In other words, the very existance of a window that tells me I will be forced to leave soon is a problem here. At this point we really need some way to choose a zone to enter. And if we cant get it? Well, asking for some more time really doesn’t seem so much…
Closing the map the second call for volunteers ends just doesn’t make sense. Means after an hour I’m basically forced to volunteer, just don’t get the rewards for that. I mean, what…? :P

Ok, I started reading your response and was second guessing myself on the fact that there is a 1hr timer. Luckily you referenced it at the end so I don’t feel crazy.

While you may not have complained about too few people, plenty did. Plenty complained about too many people. My point was that Anet can’t please everyone and no matter what they do, some group of people will be up in arms.

But quite honestly, they give you one hour to finish up whatever you are working on before moving you to the same map, just more populated. The vast majority of people, IMO, don’t spend more than an hour on any given map. I have no data on it, but it is my experience playing the game since early release.

You are unfortunately part of that small group that will be up in arms over this change. I’m sure Anet expected this and found it to be for the greater good to move ahead with this change. I know I’ve been unaffected by the change.

shawn.1298:

Draknar.5748:

shawn.1298:

For me it didn’t work because of the gem store or what the gem store causes. The economy in GW2 is anemic because of the gem store. Drops are anemic because of the gem store. Fun is anemic because of the gem store. So I went back to WoW. Started off on a new server with brand new level ones and am having a kick scavenging and creating wealth. Its so much nicer playing a game with a robust economy. The only reason I’m writing this and not playing is because of Tuesday maintenance But seriously, this is not to put the game down. The reason I left is because the economy is non existent in GW2 and I’m pretty sure that’s a side effect of the gem store.

Fun is anemic because of the gem store?

Someone reeeeeaaally hates the gem store.

Is your issue that you can exchange gems for gold? Surely your problem can’t be with the mini-pets, cosmetic items, boosters, mining picks, etc. There’s really no logical explanation as to why those items would make your fun “anemic”. That I can fathom anyway.

Will I sure didn’t mean to rouse the locals Its a personal opinion. I like looting shiny things that can be actually sold to people that actually want them. I like building wealth from scratch and opening auction house posts that say my 20 copper bars sold for 18 gold. I think the other game lends itself more to what I like to do, so I play that one. Its a personal preference, not a frothing hatred

Ha, I know what you mean, but I’m curious why you feel you can’t do that in GW2. Every day I log in I run to TP to collect my 5-10g from the loot/mats I got from running fotm/dungeons/wvw/exploration. Ectos, T5-T6 mats, rare gear, exotic gear, various ores/wood. I know a lot of people save up these things to use, but if your aim is strictly money, then sell everything you pick up, and that means collectibles you would normally just deposit.

People don’t realize just how much money they can actually make off of that stuff. They just let it pile up in their bank.

But play what makes you happy, that’s what I always say.

TheFool.4589:

We NEED to start making it like WoW.

That would end this game. Of this I am 100% confident. The people left playing this game are the people that do not want it like WoW. The people that want it like WoW are playing WoW. They can stay there.

I mean seriously, if people want the game like WoW, why the heck aren’t they just playing WoW?

shawn.1298:

For me it didn’t work because of the gem store or what the gem store causes. The economy in GW2 is anemic because of the gem store. Drops are anemic because of the gem store. Fun is anemic because of the gem store. So I went back to WoW. Started off on a new server with brand new level ones and am having a kick scavenging and creating wealth. Its so much nicer playing a game with a robust economy. The only reason I’m writing this and not playing is because of Tuesday maintenance But seriously, this is not to put the game down. The reason I left is because the economy is non existent in GW2 and I’m pretty sure that’s a side effect of the gem store.

Fun is anemic because of the gem store?

Someone reeeeeaaally hates the gem store.

Is your issue that you can exchange gems for gold? Surely your problem can’t be with the mini-pets, cosmetic items, boosters, mining picks, etc. There’s really no logical explanation as to why those items would make your fun “anemic”. That I can fathom anyway.

PrinceWarhero.4256:

Vayne.8563:

Seven skill points, a booster and a salvage kit? Sounds like a decent reward to me.

previously we used to get 1 skill point per level. now its 7 skill point given at end of every 7th level !!! lame

Is it me or has everyone against the 7SPs every 7 levels thing forgotten you can get skill points from exploration as well…

I mean…1 SP per level before was mostly useless. For a typical new player they likely get 3-5 SPs a day from exploring maps. Then they would level and maybe they would realize they got one additional skill point added, but for the most part it went completely unnoticed.

This is a non-issue. If you guys really need to have that kind of consistency, every time you level, go to a map and grab the nearest skill point. There. Now you have a skill point on level up, plus 7 additional SPs every 7 levels. You’ll have more SPs than you know what to do with…

Before mega-server: OMG the game is dead, every zone is a ghost town, jeez, you can’t find anyone to help with anything! GW2 is dead! I quit!

After mega-server: OMG too many people everywhere, I miss the quiet! Nothing but zergs! Worst update in history of MMOs, I can’t believe it! I quit!

After latest change: OMG ghost towns! Where is everyone! I’m going to qui—: Get 1hr notice map will close – Oh sweet, I will volunteer and go to a higher population map! OMG too many people now! Play how I want? More like play how Anet wants! I quit!

Meanwhile, simultaneously: Get 1hr notice map will close due to low pop: OMG I’m being forced to leave my map in an hour, I can’t believe it I finally have somewhere quiet and Anet ruins it! Play how I want? More like play how Anet wants! I quit!

I feel for Anet. I really do.

Esplen.3940:

Instead of buying more accounts, how about you…

Get some guildmates or friends? I made my Mawdrey in 7 days because I bypassed timegate through friends. I also had plenty of CQC lying around.

Yea, haha, any kind of time gated items I just ask guildies to donate their cooldowns to me. I give them mats, they make me items. I do the same for them. Makes time-gated stuff go by really fast, and is significantly easier/cheaper than buying multiple accounts, leveling up crafting for those characters, etc.

Asmodeus.5782:

Draknar, and what about every single event on Cursed Shore? The whole zone is packed to the brim. Every single event is filled with players as soon as it’s up. Much more players than it’s needed to finish it.

Yes Cursed Shore events are a different story, but it is level 80, the majority of players are level 80, you would expect to see a congregation of level 80 players there versus the other zones.

I heard we were getting mounts with cloaks/capes

Kestrelle.8165:

There’s a HUGE difference between exploring a zone and meeting small groups of other players and completing the odd event or heart together and literally being suddenly trampled by 100 players just because you’re in Wayfarer Foothills at Maw O’Clock.

If the large events have to be on a strict timetable because of the megaserver, why not at least have 3 or 4 world bosses up every time. Then the WB farmers can still do the same amount of farming in the same time, but the WB zones won’t have such an extreme rush hour

You mean in that one tiny area on the east of the map? The rest of the zone is literally a ghost town, yet people come here to talk about being trampled in the one spot in the zone during that one specific time where people show up, for the 10 short minutes it takes to do the event, then it goes back to normal population in that specific area of the map.

Yea, that’s a real game-breaker….

Esplen.3940:

RiverSong.5067:

How would you feel to pay 30k$ for what you think would be a luxury car only to find out you get a used honda? The effort in itself should justify an adequate reward. Hell ANY reward. This thing is a pink exotic…

A more appropriate analogy would be paying $30,000 and getting a car that functions the same as the car that was purchased for $5,000.

Wait, that can already happen? No way!

Actually a more appropriate analogy would be: hearing about a new $30,000 car that has been out for over a year, choosing not to do any research whatsoever on it or asking anyone who has one what they think, paying for it without taking a test drive or reading any of the brochures on it, plus disregarding any of the fine print in the contract, and then complaining that it doesn’t perform better than your $5000 car….

Due diligence, people, due diligence.

From the start Ascended gear was designed for upper level FoTM. That’s it. You have to have it in order to get the AR needed to do FoTM50. That’s it. Everyone has known for over a year that it had negligible stat increases (which didn’t stop a large chunk of forum dwellers to “quit” the game because of the “forced” gear grind to get Ascended since, you know, it is so much better than Exotic you pretty much can’t function in WvW or dungeons without it….)

kokiman.2364:

Draknar.5748:

Plus some of the bosses you will die if you don’t actively try to avoid AoE. Even if some kind soul rezzes you, it will have stopped the auto-attacking.

I mean you can’t AFK auto attack Tequatl, Claw of Jormag, Golem MkII, Karka Queen (she moves around a lot and can roll over you), Megadestroyer, Triple Trouble, and I’m sure some more.

And this is the point, you can autoattack the boss until you are dead, this will be enough for event contribution.
Run forward to claw of jormag in phase 1 once the wall is down, autoattack until you die and that’s it you are now considered to be on the same level as someone who actively tries to bring down the wall, resses people, supports people via shouts/banners/fearwards, escorts golems, etc.

Is this true? There isn’t a minimum damage threshold you need? If someone gets 3 hits in before they die, you’re saying they get credit? If so, then I guess move Jormag to the AFK-able category..

100% agree with this thread. Was just talking about this yesterday in WvW. I saw someone with it and thought to myself “wow, that looks a lot cooler than I expected it would!”

Of course I previewed the item in the store and the colors….the colors do not go with our emblem, and honestly doesn’t go with anything my characters wear. It was a complete deal breaker as I know it cannot be dyed.

I was straight up ready to buy gems for it before that realization. I know I’m not the only one.

Nick.6972:

Zodiaci.3218:

I’d sincerely like to know where this rumor originated. No endgame? Is a new story campaign, giant map (and completion), crafting, a new set of dungeons, obtaining legendary weapons, and 3 new areas of the map opening up just not enough for you?
Really, where did this originate?

New story campaign? – ?

Giant map? – Are you implying you’re still running around aimlessly doing same events ever since Dry Top was released few months ago? Kudos to you.

Completion? – 2013 January 100% world.

Crafting? – All 8 to 400 in first two-three months of GW2. 400-500 few months ago.

A new set of dungeons? – Where? Did I miss something?

Obtaining legendary? – Already obtained one year ago.

3 New areas of the map? – Dry Top?

The end game of GW2 is – Get gold, Get Gems, Get Pretty, Repeat.

Only thing left to do for you it seems is R80 in PvP if you aren’t already, R5000 in WvW, and FoTM50. If you’ve got all of those then I’d say congratulations, you beat GW2 and can move on to something else.

Tachenon.5270:

Well.

I have one of each profession at level 80, with a second ranger, guardian, and mesmer at level 80, a second necromancer at 30, a second elementalist at 39, and a second warrior at 48 or thereabouts. The thief and one of the mesmers have world completion.

I don’t want to rush through everything getting to 80.

I want vast quantities of new stuff so that my new guys won’t be repeating (again and again) the old stuff my old guys did. Slowing the old stuff down and removing bits and pieces of it doesn’t make it new stuff. The tidbits of ‘new’ stuff living story delivers (when it isn’t recycling old stuff) isn’t even close to being enough.

I want new stuff, I want lots of it, and I want it 6 months or a year ago.

Where is it and why are they revamping old stuff (that in my opinion doesn’t need revamping) instead of working on new stuff?

You are honestly saying that you want a game that will allow you to make as many characters as you want (in your case 16…), yet not have any of those characters have to repeat content that previous characters have done?

No such game exists or will ever exist.

Dayra.7405:

Ha! Lvlup to 37, cool lets see what I get.

Argh a green lvl 33 chest, wtf, I just bough my lvl 35 cultural armor

Probably sponsored by Logitech: several clicks needed to accept and destroy it
Neither sellable to NPC, nor salvage. Stop throwing such garbage at players. The only thing that can still be made worser: “Enter the name of the item to really destroy it”.

Every single mob I slayed during the last 4 levels was more rewarding than this level up reward!

I highly doubt completely new players know what cultural armor is, let alone have the money to buy it at level 35…

I mean, I’ve leveled a lot of alts, and at 35 I outfit all of them in Rare gear head to toe until level 60 when I get them new gear, then a final set at 80. It costs several gold at 35 to get full Rare, an amount new players simply will not have.

It’s kind of silly to make fun of the item rewards for leveling when you are a Veteran player since you already know how to get the best gear for that level, where to get the best gear for your level, etc.

The level up rewards are designed to be upgrades for new players who are pretty much just equipping whatever drops if the stats are better. It was not uncommon, pre-patch, for brand new players at level 50, for example, to be outfitted in level 15-20 white/blue/green gear.

Basically if you are a Veteran leveling an alt, disregard the level-up rewards…

I’m sure the level 37 new guy wearing a 25 blue chestpiece will be thrilled with a level 33 green one…

kokiman.2364:

Draknar.5748:

kokiman.2364:

You can’t report them.. for what? Being afk? Sadly this game allows you to be afk and get as much rewards as other players (especially at world bosses).

We have to accept that there are a lot of leechers in this game, they don’t care about it, they play for their own fun, not because they enjoy playing with other people. Look at the claw of jormag event. People rather kill champions on the ledges instead of escorting the golems. Sometimes they even pull champs to the middle area so that the champs can destroy the golems. They drag out the fight just so that THEY get more rewards.

Other games have this problem aswell but in GW2 it’s more severe because loot/exp is shared and you basically just have to hit 1 event related mob to get the eventreward.

The people at world bosses aren’t actually AFK. They are just standing around after doing just enough damage to get credit for the kill. Which is one step worse than being AFK. Being legitimately AFK at a world boss will get you nothing.

Targeting a boss and press 1 to activate autoattack and then leaving your pc is pretty much afking for me.

Ah, so they are contributing something at least. Well. You may not agree with them doing it, but if you get your rewards, and they are putting some DPS in and get rewards, then really what’s the harm. Most of the world boss fights are pretty quick, so they would have to not be AFK until boss spawns, then target the boss, auto-attack, and go AFK for what, 3-5minutes, maybe?

Plus some of the bosses you will die if you don’t actively try to avoid AoE. Even if some kind soul rezzes you, it will have stopped the auto-attacking.

I mean you can’t AFK auto attack Tequatl, Claw of Jormag, Golem MkII, Karka Queen (she moves around a lot and can roll over you), Megadestroyer, Triple Trouble, and I’m sure some more.

You can get away with AFK auto-attack on a number of the lesser bosses, but rewards are small and fights are short, so meh.

Wow that blows. I’m so sorry man. I’m sure this was an unintended consequence.

If you need help with it, just hit me up. I’m sure I can muster 10-12 people from my guild to try and get it done with you.