Guild Wars 2

You actually hit it spot on.

The community side seems to be growing and doing decent.

Their ingame infrastructure and rewards however have gotten worse or rather have been deleted, with only a torture chamber left for those who dont want turn into PVE carebears.

Shoutbot.

Just one makes all condi builds non viable. And we all know what the actual shoutbow/per game numbers are.

I know it may take over an hour of counting, but is it possible to get statistic on how often each class was represented over the 500+ poeple who played?

Gryph.8237:

Hey, why don’t you point out to anet that there were NO necros in the tournament, and perhaps then point out that their beloved top 5 classes are frequently played for the same reasons over and over and over again.

Afaik,

-no necro in final teams (leeto didnt play for bigD)
-highest place necro was forsaker with Rotate to procreate , 8-16th spot.

It is pretty much 0x necro and 2x warri/engie , maybe 1x ele and zerker thief/guard/mes mixed in for flavor.
Also ZERO rangers too.

Would be nice to see total stats from 100+ teams or 500 poeple as that would be a really nice bigger picture of the community.

Cant wait for NA ToL to see one.

Literally.

Hello.

Just curious how many necros there were and how high they placed ?

Forsaker from rotate to procreate highest ?

1) thief vs necro

Thief must play 606060 panic+exe+all the shadow arts bull
Necro anything that gives him a role
Thief must lose 9/10 or necro is non viable

2) necro vs chrono or power ranger

Necro must start with 0 lf, not demanding wins just wanna see how good it deals with ranged pressure – can it stick on something with all the new chills or insta die

3) thief vs chrono mes

Same shadowregencleansebull thief , too see how much it hard counters mesmer. Problem is the real counter is in teamfight not in 1v1, but still wanna see those 2 juke it out

3) dragonhunter vs anything

Can be new shoutbot 2.0 , too see if that thing is even killable with
1x cleanse /5s extra
1x passive shout stunbreak extra
1000 armor extra or endure pain

4) any condi build if you dream theyll be viable with shoutbows around

Considering theyre doing dragonhunter pvp – with builds the comunity speculated on will be good,
I think it would be nice to see reaper pvp, too see how much its actualy worth.

• xxxxxx necro vs 606060 thief (panic + exe + shadow arts bull + new -50% dmg stealthed)

• xxxxxx necro vs shoutbot 2.0

• xxxxxx necro vs mesmer (can be chrono interupt or 1 line defensive if its worth it)

Basically its needs to kill the teamsupport bunker of shoutbot , and ofc not losing to the most mobile zerkers – whats the point of slow fortress if it loses to fast fly ?

WOOOOOOW

OK, i just blew the dust away and put on axe again.

ITS AWFUL.

+ ITS ACTUALLY A DPS NERF , WTFF ??? LOWEST DPS NOODLE AND YOU DO THIS !!

Also, it could be superman strong and it just feels clunky , bleh. terrible animation

-7/10

Can we have a “range fix” adressed too ?

Hello.
They showed a 3x gravedigger in the pve demo segment, whole thing took 6s which alligns with 1,25s cast and 0,75s aftercast from the spin.
The question im asking for anyone good with the modifiers and numbers:

-is it more dps that autos
-is it good dps , lets say compared to our dagger outoatack or 3x heartseeker spam under 50% but not under 25%.

It is commonly agreed that good shoutbot > good dd ele. its normal that u lose.

I dont think im wrong by saying – thank you for taking the feedback and reworking blood magic.

While many vere concerned, since the initial necro trait changes were plain lackluster, the new DS and traits are indeed on mesmer level of awesome.

Cool looks, a theme and stuff that will actualy work in PVP. Great!

@The gates assasin

Just thought of a tip you could pass on to them on how to do good scaling defense/offense:

Instead of weak 1x, 2x – 5x
Do it base 3x + 1x + 1x ….

Like the unblock shout – 4s base , then +1s for each hit
Such aproach limits min/max scenarios, so balancing is easier and a skill isnt useless 1v1

Big thank you to the forum specialist as i think they even mentioned the feedback they recieved from you and it is certainly showing in the blood siphons (otherwise it wouldve just been revealed at the 4h stream)

Short now, longer one time later:

New DS – AMAZING

Siphons – surprisingly 2nd best thing

New traits – great, on high level with others, synergie

Greatsword – slow, no defense against anything ranged, but maybe new DS and stronger melee pressure will be worth it

Shouts – all terrible beside maybe elite.
The casts are regular 3/4s necro level, which is a total troll.
Small damage, compared to 2k heal shouts
Long CDs
The effects are nothing special and weak. Surprisingly the jagged horror one shows most potential

Just wanted to get shouts out of the way, more feedback on the awesome stuff tomorrow

The main reason for mainhand dagger is offhand dagger

Dont forget about trait blind = chill = vuln.

I know with shoutbot 2.0 condies wont exist, but its worth a try as a regular cover condi + we dont need to use frality sigil anymore.

Pvp – race absolutely has no meaning , beside your own cosmetic joy.

Enemies can have standard models on, and being bigger has no impact on your hitbox.

For pictures u can google image “rasman the boss” xD

PowerBottom.5796:

In the current Meta with stealth-openers and tons of immob and stuns that are hard to avoid, he could have to wind-up his sword for multiple seconds and it still would easily hit. It’s all about if the dps that follows is worth it.

321 hide behind pillar
call target
321 blast , blast stealth for pro engage

wat blast ??

321 faaaast, teleport mobility to low target

ughh, let me just walk there with swiftness that potentially put me in combat and reveals

321 BUUUURST

OK, i got this: 1111 full autoatack rotation.

P.S.
Not intended to copy “leet0” but to show explicit example.

Blind.

Dodge.

Random aoe blind/block.

Random doge.

Gentleman let him hit you once.

Interrupt.

Necro dead , -23% LF bug , slow walk back, repeat.

….
….
Its great to see stuff like scaling with enemys – while other still get passive natural AOE but ok…..
Why continue with the slow cast mentality - it has no place in pvp?

At least it looks cool, but numbers better be on the great/OP side…

Anchoku.8142:

What if there are 5 skills and only AA is good, or what if it is a Dark Guardian transform and you only get a choice of 3 different AA skills with the others and utilities locked out?

then it will fit nicely into current staff1+dagger1+ds1+lich1+downstate1 rotation.

I also very dislike the idea of air+fire being stronger in every way over force+accuracy.

Force you NEED to land your 10k burst, to make it 11k.

Air+fire you need to land autoatack.

WhiteCrow.5310:

Top comment in that thread was glorious:

Well Necro have always been selfish. Why not improve this concept and introduce stances based on party member sacrificing rituals
New Death Shroud – Uses party members HP, instead of life force! Happy leaching!
Utilities:
“Why I have to do everything myself!?” – You gain 10 stacks of stability for 10 seconds, at the cost of allies getting 2 stacks of fear for 2 sec each.
“I’m Invincible!” – Transfer all boons from nearby allies to yourself.
“The bond”- For the duration of 5 seconds transfers all incoming condition to your beloved party members.
Healing Skill:
“Noob Control” – Sacrifice weakest party member to restore your full hp.
Elite:
“Weakest fall first” – Next incoming kill blow is transferred to nearby ally.

Noob control ahahaha.

If you actually see it in PvP – its GG.

But you see someone with it in PvE/wvw , you can be a nice person and tell the new player its not his fault that Anet shipped garbage.

Im pretty sure it was mentioned as a patch or bugfix some time ago, to prevent the traited transfusion + running out of DS = self heal

probably the patch that also made the 10s CD absolute, cancelling the run out → burst gain LF → enter DS again

Its nice that the article showed a clear “NO, necro just plain sux” and didnt apply the sugarcoat PR filter.

True, good idea.

Not because you could ego boast , but your team could actually know if they failed and thief outplayed them with the steal, or they simply got a unlucky 1/100 bunker guard burn tick

Never actualy thought about from that way.
Its true, ALL we mostly take are CD reductions for the utilities we already decided to take or just weapon improvements for like marks.

It really looks like its why the new trait system looks so meh on necro, while thief will need to be shaved with Thors nerfhammer since its 5x great GM traits in one package.

The trollomancer

Does break bar prevent immoblize?

Id put my money on engie getting traps and us getting shouts

- reve cant get shouts cz its 6x skills
- necro morale is dead, they probably wanna make up for it by announcing some juice for us
- we lack insta casts and support (though they might be more debuff oriented)
- shouts + GS seems good for melee
- it doesnt fit on other classes

Engie pull is not a projectile, and with the unblock its is the most reliable pull ingame which seems to work more than 9/10 times.

The grasp and thief scorpion wire are sadly both projectiles.
Above ~600 range any strafing or dodge/leap or even jumps makes it miscalculate and fly off.
Also, any 1pixel big rock can obstruct it or stop the pulling of target – it is why jumping after firing helps it a bit.
Reflects.
Blind, block.
Random blind/block.
Body block by pet/clone

And worst is the 0% lf if it fails. Overall i dont think it hits 5/10

Idk, it seems the spread of trait favors to more of the current builds than what youre suggesting.

It will always be choice of pick 2 from
Soul marks for staff users
Piercing for total offense a/wh+d/d
Spectrals
Vital pers+path of midnight

its a bug that happens to all pulls, its just that the engie one is by faaaar the most reliable one.

xantosnightwish.5438:

Death Stroke.9875:

OK i have 2 questions, both involving the optional substitute.
1st, how does prizing work out if the substitute is used? (does the sub and/or person being substituted get prizes)
2nde, Does your team get points for seeding if you play in a tournament with 3 of your starting list and your sub totaling to 4 members from your roster competing as a team?

Ill confirm the new prizing structure with Josh Davis but Im under the impression the sub will get a prize so long as he/she plays a round.

Yes, your team would get seeding pts.

Can i expand this question:

Does it have to be “the same” 3+1 members from the main roster, or is it “as long as 4 poeple from main+sub roster are playing”, the team is considered a unity?

Basicaly from our 5+1 players, can each week 1 of us have IRL break, while the other 3+1 grab a pug ?

thief (will get nerfed tho, what they showed was just bull so i dont even bother)
shoutbot

immob guard & engies

5th slot flavor of the team, can be double anything from above also

“We feel

- that the synergy between a lot of traits
- that are very good and make u top meta level

- are not good enough, so you get them all-in-one
- for lower price

- so you can chose more
- good choices that is,

to make shoutbow even stronger. yes that is our goal."

• Can the person who proposed this raise their hand?

Yup pretty terrible,

we dont get what we we want and we get less.

Can anyone make a montage of the

“siphons are pretty strong, were thinking of toning it down” ?

BIGGEST DISAPOINTMENT

• No real core / QoL improvements like
• Healing in DS – traits working AGAISNT OWN mechaninic
• 0% DS at start
• ALL healing numbers are still low, should be 2,3-5x higher

Medium disapoint

• HUGE CLEANSE BUFF to most others – shoutbow/thief will extinct condis
• Devs bored “ugh, same, still bad, next please” – no vision or sense of direction
• No finisher

small disapoint

• Long ICDs
• No weapon improvement
• Nothing , still terrible in PVE – greatsword must now save both pve&pvp

Its a lot like june2013:

We want survival.

We get more damage. (albeit from non existent spite minors but ok)

BUT:
It doesnt seem broken in any direction. Defensive utiltys and finally adressing the 0% LF problem and were good to go.
Still no bunker necro, sry.
Minionmaster maybe next loved by all AI-build.

P.S.
Thief panic strike + Exe = nerf in under 0.25s

Josh (Davis aka Grouch) is the messiah of pvp.

Here is Justin (ODell) , the wizard who programs your bad loot & and matchmaking. He can also cast a curse on you which does +400 ping.

Dirame.8521:

Another question I’d like to ask;

You say the minor traits are “always equipped”, does that mean they are always on?Meaning you don’t have to select them to have them be active?

Kinda yes.
You can curently decide how deep you want to into a trait line, example 64400 build…Now with new system you wont chose to spend points – but you will choose 3 full traitline out of 5+1 total traitlines…. btw trait line is basically renamed into specialization.

So new will be just 66600 , 60606 ,06606 builds basically….or rather 00066+6 since “elite specialization” means each class can chose a new 6th traitline, which will have all new stuff and allowing you a new weapon.

Kolly.9872:

I’d like to propose the idea of removing foods from wvw instead

• Players may only play in one Tournament of Legends. Any use of an alternate account to circumvent this rule will result in a ban from future tournaments (from news post)

• You may not be on more then one roster for this event (Period.)

Does this mean I can only play in one ToL ever? Like if i join now in tol3 i cant play in future tol4?
Or is just to prevent poeple getting multiple rewards by playing/subbing for multiple teams?

rage is also a decent sigil on the dagger mainhand set, especially if youre using focus which is pretty yolo.

I think ALL AI builds “should” be good 1v1 builds but overall only effective low/medium levels to serve as training for new players.

Even if this change completely shuts turrets away from any 2v2+ , I still think its a great change that needs to happen.

It will be like minion necro – very good in 1v1 , but not for teamfights or high tourny tier.

Praise the Grouch !

Id be silent but since you actually used the taboo signet, you have to be openly shunned
Its not your fault if youre beginner and dont know how good/bad each skill scales, but you picked most of the terrible stuff necro has to offer. Theres no role or purpose , the only thing it probably does is beat other zerker amu beginner in hotjoin due to cele>zerker having more sustain.

Start from scratch or check a metabattle build on modify it.

I remember a dev post where it said the least popular map gets 4% of votes.
1/6 of 100% = 16,6%

Kolly.9872:

Actually Anet nerfed zerker amulet with the introdution of ferocity

On the contrary – they buffed zerker amulet and nerfed the crit.dmg/ferocity trait line.

Before the line gave 30 and zerker 15+5=20 , now zerker gives 30 and the traits 20% crit dmg.
You can also look at as a bit of a nerf to non zerker amulets like barbarian.
So mostly zerker is must, but theres more freedom with traits.