Guild Wars 2

Rooks Zaer.5846:

Bugs? Yes, I will give it time.
Balance issues? Yes, I will give it time.
Missing features? Yes, I will give it time.
Doing a 180 on your manifesto and punching your fanbase in the mouth? No, I feel like I already gave you more than enough time to do that.

I feel like this too, i can give them all the time they need to fix the game they promise us, but That 180° turn is just a lowblow, and 10 days of “No reply” are even worse.
So, i dont really have too much faith left, ill wait monday and only then ill decide what to do.

Azure Prower.8701:

haviz.1340:

It’s the part of character progression. Slaying thousands of troll will yield you an anscended quiver. If you don’t like it you’re out of luck.

It’s quite frankly lazy game development to artificially extend the game’s life. It discourages playing the game how you want and promotes burn out where you quit the game entirely.

Legendaries are optional. Reason why not many really care to grind for one nor complain about the grind.

i dont know if its lazy design, maybe the game really need another tier after the Exotic, but 2 things are sure:

• its really too expensive for a set that is going to become mandatory, because better stats are always mandatory.
• for what i see, its now well designed, it invalidate old content like runes, sigil and jewels.(and exotics items too) instead of the new infusion slot, they can create a rune with +stats and agony resistance. all this new infusion mechanism, after only 3 month, have not so much sense. its like whatching 2 games merged together, its better if they decide to use or only the old upgrade, or only the infusions, because the game is becoming quite confusing.

Loumy.7841:

A) "Due to this and that, it has been necessary for us to change the direction of our initial design philosophy. "
This wouldn’t improve on their damaged brand at all. People would still feel betrayed. Bad strategy, that is not saving any of the lost brand equity.

B) “We do not think our philosophy of creating a great game has changed.”
The strategy of plain denial. People would feel even more angry. No one will buy into this – it will feel like a slap in the face.
This would be the worst strategy, further increasing brand damage.

C) “We admit our mistakes of this and that, and we are working to implement a solution that will make everyone happy. Further details will follow.”
This strategy would be a better choice. It will buy them some time. People will await their “solution”. The future however will reveal what course they are actually taking.

D) Not touching the issue at all. “What problem? There is no problem.”
I guess this is somewhat similar to option B.

What do you think?

obviously i will prefer something like the C answer, but i think that will never happend. Taking too much time for a reply like this is nonsense, but im still here hoping for this.
most probably it will be somthing similar to the A reply, but there is open space to a worse possibility:

E) ignore all the questions regarding this particular problems.
and its useless to say that this will lead to a colossal disaster.

Let’s wait monday, and see.

To OP
you really deserve respect. Really a good Thread.
A Pve and Pvp competitive game dont need an infinite gear progression, but more challenging content.

Urxx.6840:

Usually those who respond to the points made instead of getting all personal and trying to depict the counterpart as a whiny kid are more believable and constructive.

Nobody here is opposing change per se. I think it’s pretty obvious to everybody that an MMO is ever evolving in nature.

Still, if you don’t want your game to become a mess, its evolution should follow a direction. In the case of GW2, the direction was stated in the manifesto. I don’t even want to get caught in the semantics game and analyze every single word of it.

It was pretty clear that the stated DIRECTION of the developement and evolution of GW2 was to privilege horizontal as opposed to vertical progression.

The stated intention was to cater to those who were sick of grindy games. People bought GW2 specifically for that.

Now the direction has changed.

Had they said: “hey look, we really wanted to hold true to our manifesto, but unfortunately our game was losing players like it had 25 stacks of bleeding on it, and we were forced to change things.”. Those who are here bacause of the manifesto would have at least felt they were respected and not lied to.

The way they have handled the whole thing is way different: the manifesto is now toilet paper, vertical progression is now a reality, but they managed to deny that the introduction of more powerful gear is in fact vertical progression, like we were complete idiots.

You are welcome to accept to be treated like an idiot by a company, but you should understand those who don’t.

Not only this, but the new tier design is kinda out of the game.

Before this, all the item had tier stats, decided by item level and rarity, and an upgrade slot.
The ascended tier broke this law, and introduce a whole new mechaninc that (for now) is not shared with all the existing content, the item have the rune bonus directly included, the upgrade slot is dissapeared and we have a totally new slot.

Now, maybe they only fail on the release timing, and when we see the whole machanic complete maybe its not so unbalanced as we think now, but whitout any kind of information, is like watch a bomb timer running , you have to do something before this bomb explode.

A couple of questions from me, the others i have, are already on this thread.

- How about the old game content, how can poeple buy runes and sigils if they become obsolete after the release of the full ascended set?

-What about that equipment that are not legendary, but are really expensive to get, like the foefire weapons, or the triforge pendant? will they become ascended items too? A lot of people spend real money in order to get them.

Saidor.7028:

I believe you need to have both. Vertical progression is a good way of developing your chracter and getting you involved in the game but there comes a point when the repetition of the same content becomes boring – the grind – and generally this comes at the end of your leveling rather than before, as hopefully you are still exploring the game during your levelling progression.

The ‘end game’ though has to change in to something new. It’s the reason i’ve left every mmo so far.

The end game has to be horizontal, but how do you avoid the same content getting old and boring as well as getting no progression from it? For me pvp is the answer but every time I think i’ve found an mmo that has great pvp or rvr/wvw, you get the idiots demanding vertical progression and you get the grind all over again.

Personally I think we need huttball.

This fit perfeclty my idea of what this game need

Level 1 to 80, is a mandatory vertical progression, and its needed because you learn how to play you character on the way, when you hit the level 80, its supposed that you mastered most of the aspects of your class.

After beat level 80, its still vertical progression, because you need to gather the max stats equipment, in the old Gw2 concept, this is a short transition phase.

When you have you max stats tier, you are ready to the real endgame, and here the game must be based on horizzontal progression:
New “rare” skins, gatherable skills , more difficult content.

Now the FOTM dungeon is the perfect example of vertical progression content, because you add a difficult that on a certain point can be overcomed only using a new gear.

The reasons because i play less, are all related to the new stats tier, before the 13\11 gw2 was and enjoyable game, with the only need of some debug\balance.

Its not question of a 10k thread, or if the majority of the players like or dislike this, because ad the actual state, we cant know this, we can only see the spread effect around in the net (MMO site, selling site, etc etc).
There is an evident lack of communication, but im hoping for the next monday Q\A on reddit.

Personally im one of those that really dont like this new set, because for me its bad designed, it invalidate too much content around the game in the actual state, like runes and sigils…
And im surprised that there are still people that use a lame argument like : “Its not mandatory.”
Maybe its not mandatory now, but when the full set become released, it will become madatory, too much stats gap! and runes and sigils will become obsolete.

Really funny, so you have to grind, and use MF gear too? and this isnt grind? only the fact tha ppl use that cursed MF gear in a dungeon group to drop a particular item, is synonymous of GRIND.

dalendria.3762:

“We have realized that everything that Mike O’Brien, Arenanet President, has been saying for 7 years about how to make a "different and better MMO’ is crap. We have decided that he was wrong – gear stat progression is required in any MMORPG. Mike now sees the error of his ways and agrees. We also have statistical evidence that the “dedicated players (gear grinders)” spend tons in the cash shop and love buying items based on RNG mechanics."

Have i to be honest?
If they say something like this, i will be very happy, even it will mean that i will leave the game instatly.

Merthax.5172:

GW1: you change your build from area to area in order to tackle the challenges that you are going to be facing. This including selecting appropriately statted gear for your build. This gear was easy to obtain, but you still need to make trade-offs. Do you want more armor, more attributes, resistance against specific elements, more energy?

This is much more exciting to me than: you grind to get higher-stat gear to tackle the challenges that you are going to be facing.

I follow this idea too.

slazzy.7309:

You know, a year from now (hopefully sooner) they may add more skills to each profession. Possibly more traits. More heart quests. Maybe even an expansion. So, you may be behind your friends and fellow players in that sense, too. Should Anet stop all development when you log off?

I’ve never heard people so upset about the future, about what could be, in a game. Why not enjoy what’s going on now. You’ll feel better.

I new tier of items to farm, is more and more different from new traits\skills (i hope they add something new on this way too). So yes we can be worried about the future items of this game because they can invalidate the accessibility of the high lvl content for the newcomers.

Astralporing.1957:

VOLKON.1290:

How can this be so difficult to grasp? FotM has the first tier of infusions, those that combat agony. The next dungeon will have the next set that combats a different condition. This is a perfect setup for horizontal progression.

Horizontal progression never requires new gear to open new content. In horizontal progression you never end up behind, without some key eq, because you were absent for a year.

thats why horizontal progression is better than vertical, because if they say that the new content is difficult, you are sure that the new content is difficult! you havent the magic equipment to overcome the obstacle.

Mandrax.7342:

Galen Grey.4709:

Ganzo.5079:

Galen Grey.4709:

Assassinin.4963:

But is there an OFFICIAL CLARIFICATION on this issue thus far? I afraid not. But no worry, the complaints will die down sooner than later (which I believe its the delay tactics Anet is using to tide them over this ‘crisis’) because those who complains but still cannot find closure to the issue would have left the game. I believe many of these players are having a fun time playing PlanetSide 2 now. Its a sad day for GW2.

The problem with an official clarification in my opinion is this issue has been so overblown and every single thing said has been jumped on analysed in detail and twisted to mean something negativite never intended that you’re not going to get an official reply before it has been vetted by a ton of people! No one is going to risk posting something that might be misinterpretted!

Really no.

if i ask you:
there will be a new tier after the ascended one?

if you reply:
no im not going to release a new tier every 3 months
you let the road open to misinformation

but if you reply
no, this is the last tier we release
or
yes this is only the beginning
How this can be misinterpreted?

Bet not even the CEO can take such a definitive position much less someone posting a clarrification that hasnt been vetted by god knows how many suits.

Things might also change in the future you cant really exclude anything! That to me is a no but at the same time reserving the right to change direction if needed. And yes I know what you’re going to say thats exactly what you dont want to hear but you have to understand its the best any business can do!

And dont get me wrong I dont want to see a new tier just as much as you if not more! But I understand there is a limit of how much any business can promise.

Of course you are right. In any business it’s foolish to never say never. But, unfortunately Arenanet’s statement has sowed the seed of doubt, and unless they give some kind of assurances, this uncertainty is going to continue.

If they even said ‘look, we would never say ’never’, but we have no plans right now, or in the future to add further tiers’ a lot of people would accept that.

Any intelligent person would understand that companies want to do the best by their business and to rule something out completely could be a very silly move.

My post can be kinda strange, i used that type of example only because my english is quite basic.
The mean of a such extreme example is only because in too many occasions, they had the opportunity to solve all this mess, using the proper words.
But they prefer use always PR oriented or dual faced expressions, and i think a lot of us are kinda exausted by this.

All of us want something like this, But after a week with only silence, im starting to dont care about this situation.
When i become really starved of this, a will simply change game… and goodbye.

So, a begins to play from 6 months how can encouraged to play, with a new and expensive tier? how its supposed that he can do WvW at decent level if he need to grind to reach the maximun level stats?
They are realesing the new set slowly, aly to give us NOW an appearance of no progression, or a very slow progression.
But for a player that begin to play from 6 month, 1 year or 2 years, the things that for us, are a “little gap”, can become mountains! and that’s why, for example, in WOW for every new expasion, the commons item of the last expasion are as strong as the top tier item of the expasion before.

Maybe a new patch?

its one of the issue of the new gear. incorporate in the item, values to replace runes and sigils.
And thats why we are asking to modify this new gear with the exotic values and give us the two slots, and the possibility to make and infusion slot to an older item, instead of create a new tier of items.

Galen Grey.4709:

Assassinin.4963:

But is there an OFFICIAL CLARIFICATION on this issue thus far? I afraid not. But no worry, the complaints will die down sooner than later (which I believe its the delay tactics Anet is using to tide them over this ‘crisis’) because those who complains but still cannot find closure to the issue would have left the game. I believe many of these players are having a fun time playing PlanetSide 2 now. Its a sad day for GW2.

The problem with an official clarification in my opinion is this issue has been so overblown and every single thing said has been jumped on analysed in detail and twisted to mean something negativite never intended that you’re not going to get an official reply before it has been vetted by a ton of people! No one is going to risk posting something that might be misinterpretted!

Really no.

if i ask you:
there will be a new tier after the ascended one?

if you reply:
no im not going to release a new tier every 3 months
you let the road open to misinformation

but if you reply
no, this is the last tier we release
or
yes this is only the beginning
How this can be misinterpreted?

tkalamba.2541:

Urxx.6840:

tkalamba.2541:

I said it was an ‘attempt’, by actively campaigning to write negative reviews solely because you do not agree with the game is an attempt to sway the opinions of others.

A lot of poeple are in fact giving very bad reviews on Amazon based on the fact ArenaNet has changed their phylosophy and they feel betrayed. But they aren’t doing so because they are Columba’s mindless zombies army.

They do so because they simply agree that what happened wasn’t ethical on ArenaNet’s part, and that was a move they didn’t expect.

I understand, my only issue is really telling people to go out and do it. Let them decide for themselves. It’s annoying, and just makes everyone look bad.

edited for my horrible spelling

ehm no. YOU look to players as uniformed people. Buy and try.
A wise player take a game based on:advertise and reviews, now if a game have a substantial modification on it core stats, all the old advertise, and all the old rewievs become wrong!
Yeah there are are people that make very bad rewiev now, based on their anger state, but a wise buyer that read a massive negative critics, search more information before decide what to do.

Dont buy a product only because you see a lot of ppl that say :this game suck, anet lie etc etc etc, is for lazy people, the same kind of people that buy a game and they stop to play it after 1 week or after hitting the lvl 80 because there is nothing to do after beating the max level.

Tempest.1254:

Loosifah.4739:

I love how you call anyone with a different opinion than you a “vocal minority locust”.

I never asked for this change, I was enjoying the game quite as bit as it was. I’m sure that’s the case for many of the people you refer to as “locusts”. That doesn’t mean we’re not going to enjoy the hell out of a new tier of equipment.

You need to learn to not take life so seriously. Or games for that matter. This new tier of equipment isn’t going to break the game. A game which I might add has only been out for THREE months. They never made a promise that exotic(easy as hell to get) gear was going to be the final stage. So you have to actually do some work if you want to have ascended gear. Buck up kiddo. Expecting to never have anything to progress towards at only 3 months in the game was just stupid on your(and many others) part.

A new tier of gear won’t break the game.

But power creep might. Gated content might. Gear checks might. Grinding a new dungeon might. Vertical progression doesn’t belong in this game, but it’s not difficult to see why it’s now there.

Nexon bought themselves a seat at NCSoft’s table, whose stock value isn’t doing well, and their shareholders aren’t happy.

That probably will break the game.

A new tier (but only one) acquirable in about 1 month of normal play, is surely not the end of the world, if its really slightly better then the exotic one (but ascended its not sadly)
But without a confirmation of this, we can only expect another tier after this one, and new infusions too.

xiv.7136:

You talk of “losing” this game as if it was some kind of tragedy.

There are families being blown to pieces in Gaza, tribal wars in various countries, and ecological disasters. Those are tragedies.

This is a game where they added a backpiece and a ring that have slightly higher stats.

Relax.

No ok, this kind of moralism is really nasty… really, personally i dont accept this.
Every problem have its place to be discussed, if i want to talk about the real problems of the world, i certainly dont do it, on a game forum.

you miss the point…totally…

i dont think that the blog is the solution… what we need is only more partecipation here.

This forum is the major source of direct feedback by the community, so it must be the same in the opposite direction, from devs to us.
Silence strategy and PR talking, here its out of place, because this forum is not for advertise Gw2, but for talk about Gw2.

The fact that they closed the massive thread with all the feedback on the ascended gear shows that they aren’t interested in conversing with us.

i used that thread a lot too, but after 200 pages, the discussion has become quite redundant.
The only thing i found inappropriate on that move was the moderation message, with the link to the whiteside’s reply for more informations, that is one of the causes of all this mess.

xiv.7136:

Columba.9730:

Avengersoul.8256:

Columba.9730:

Avengersoul.8256:

Despite people complaining about the ascended gear being just another grind to get… you know the usual whining that people do….

By running difficulty level 2 fractals I had the item needed to craft the ascended back piece, Just from very casual play I had all of the skill points and ectos and most of the tier 6 mats needed, the rest I bought from the TP.

As for the rings, you get your first one at difficulty 10-11… I’m only on difficulty 4 atm and the dungeon itself is not difficult in comparison to other dungeons in this game and it’s actually fun and easy to find groups since everyone is doing it…

People will complain about anything, heck they even complain about handouts/free stuff that is given to them… this is definitely no exception. It doesn’t take loads of money to get this stuff, it takes playing the game the way you normally play. The only reason it’s going to take your life away or all your gold is if you’re so impatient you have to have the gear “RIGHT THIS SECOND” In which case you need to look at your own personal faults, not ArenaNet for adding something to the game.

Goodie for you. Some of us hate dungeons and will never do them. Why didn’t they make these available in wvwvw right away? It can’t be that hard. Yes, they added mandatory dungeon grinds to be competitive. thanks.

If you honestly think that the few stat increases from 3 items is going to give someone the edge or “ease” to kill you and stop you from being competitive… you must not be very good at pvp and suggest you stop.

Yes 20%+ better stats are minimal. Lol.

It’s 3% overall change in your total character stats.

Get the maths right. You have innate stats at 80 alongside stats from gear. Do the maths properly, hint: taking items in isolation is not accurate.

Don’t blame a 3% change in stats for why you would lose a fight, that’s just weaksauce.

its a 3% now, destined to increase to the 20%\40% overall incresing expected when the complete set will be released.

StormGryffen.7638:

Ganzo.5079:

lol nice idea to bridge wich gap?

Exotics vs legendary was a time gap, so whats the mean of increasing stats, and the shift of legendary stats above in the near future?

The statistics gap and the effort gap. Legendary gear will be the best kind of gear you can possess, unless multiple media outlets are wrong on the subject? (If I’m confused about this, please let me know, I hate to be misinformed.) The leap in stats and effort to receive an Exotic vs. a Legendary item will be significant. This has been an item on the table for a long time. This isn’t a surprise. That anyone could feel ambushed by ascended gear, which seeks to offer a more casual experience (though it has not been fully implemented) than Legendary gear seems to be illogical.

Before the launch was not supposed to raise the legendary items value above the exotic tier.
Now with this ascended project they have enabled the pay 2 win option, because if you have the legendary item that is the MAX tier in the game, you have no fear of another stats increasing set, above the ascended one. Legendary will be simply raised again.

Crater.1625:

Ganzo.5079:

Add item with the same stats of the exotics one, but only more rare then the exotics, was a good compromise to fill this “gap”.

Those already exist. They’re called “Exotics”.

I don’t understand how people are buying into this line that there was a rarity gap between Exotics and Legendaries.

There are Exotics that you can buy/make for 2g. There are exotics that you can buy/make for 600-700g. And there are Exotics at all price points in between. Legendaries cost about 900-1000g.

There was no gap. There was no stat gap. There was no rarity gap. Don’t let people entertain the idea that there was.

its true for weapon(because we have only legendary weapons for sure). not for armors.
But yes, instead of all this mess, only more rare exotics armor skins.

StormGryffen.7638:

I’m sure Anet didn’t envision this would upset so many people. Exotics and legendary gear has been on the table forever. They got the idea to be nice and bridge the gap between Exotics and Legendary gear sets, and everyone has a massive cow.

lol nice idea to bridge wich gap?

Exotics vs legendary was a time gap, so whats the mean of increasing stats, and the shift of legendary stats above in the near future?

Is to difficult to understand that if you need to fill a gap, you need to use the same unit of measurement.
Add item with the same stats of the exotics one, but only more rare then the exotics, was a good compromise to fill this “gap”.

i can move solo without problems and with all my chars… and only 1 of them is full exo.

Only if you pull 3 or 4 monsters on southsun cove you can say that you are definitely dead, but its your fault.

El Hefe.2814:

Ganzo.5079:

El Hefe.2814:

Godorn.2931:

“im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it.”

Apparently, some ppl don’t know how to read. If you want to be able compete in WVW, you are going to have to get Ascend gear because of the increased stats.

If you don’t get it, you will always be at a disadvantage. Thats not a far and level playing ground. I’m not interested in that, but you go ahead and keep paying them for more gear grind that will eventually end up in WVW.

so fighting lvl 2’s at lvl 80 is a fair and level playing ground? wvw is imbalanced.

Lol you seem a broken record.
A lvl 2 player on WvW KNOW THAT IS NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH A LVL 80 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, it go on WvW on its own risk.

A lvl 80 with exo vs a lvl 80 with ascendent, its the real unbalance. its so hard to understand?

how is it anymore imbalanced than a lvl 80 in rares vs an 80 in exotics?

have you look some values before talk? i guess no, otherwise you would not have posted this.

El Hefe.2814:

Godorn.2931:

“im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it.”

Apparently, some ppl don’t know how to read. If you want to be able compete in WVW, you are going to have to get Ascend gear because of the increased stats.

If you don’t get it, you will always be at a disadvantage. Thats not a far and level playing ground. I’m not interested in that, but you go ahead and keep paying them for more gear grind that will eventually end up in WVW.

so fighting lvl 2’s at lvl 80 is a fair and level playing ground? wvw is imbalanced.

Lol you seem a broken record.
A lvl 2 player on WvW KNOW THAT IS NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH A LVL 80 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, it go on WvW on its own risk.

A lvl 80 with exo vs a lvl 80 with ascendent, its the real unbalance. its so hard to understand?

El Hefe.2814:

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

if you don’t find the fotm dungeon fun. don’t do it. the gear you get from it allows you to progress in it. it’s not required to have fun.

You don’t play WvW, do you? You don’t seriously PvP in any game, do you? If you did, you would know that even small differences in gear stats matter. And the difference between Ascended and Exotic isn’t small and will get larger with every new piece of Ascended that is released.

wvw is already unbalanced. lvl 2’s can fight lvl 80’s.

They can, but not well. Not 1v1. But there was a short end to that for anyone who wanted to reach max level and farm exotics in a matter of days (or less, many people had most of what they needed saved by the time they got to level 80). And no dungeons were required to reach that parity.

The Ascended armor has changed all of that.

so it’s more acceptable and fair that a lvl 80 can face a lvl 2 in WvW, then it is for a lvl 80 with +5 stats to fight another lvl 80? or what about the full exotic 80’s against fresh 80’s with rares on. because “even the small differences in gear stats matter”. but they didnt for the first 10weeks. it was acceptable. anet has also told you that this new gear will be available in wvw at some point. no dungeons required.

http://www.gw2db.com/items

only +5 points uh?

El Hefe.2814:

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

if you don’t find the fotm dungeon fun. don’t do it. the gear you get from it allows you to progress in it. it’s not required to have fun.

You don’t play WvW, do you? You don’t seriously PvP in any game, do you? If you did, you would know that even small differences in gear stats matter. And the difference between Ascended and Exotic isn’t small and will get larger with every new piece of Ascended that is released.

wvw is already unbalanced. lvl 2’s can fight lvl 80’s.

I lvl 2 can fight and win with an 80, only if the lvl 80 is really unskilled.
This argument is without any sense.

El Hefe.2814:

but you aren’t being forced. it’s optional. what content requires this new gear? also, WvW has always been unbalanced. you can fight lvl 80’s at lvl 2.

No one force, exactly like no one force me to play.
Grind the best gear is a mutual forcing.

and for the part: “WvW itys always unbalanced”
this make no sense. If you make a change, this MUST be balanced for the perfect situation.

• Same gear.
• Same character
• Same skill
• Same internet connection
• Same player ability.

The first 3 variable,are devs work and must be perfect! all player must have the same situation here before start “the match.”
The forth variable, is a sideeffect that we cant control.
Te fifth variable it the key factor. the game is fun becase you can grow as player.

El Hefe.2814:

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

Xandax.1753:

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

Exactly my issue as well.
And it will spill into WvW as well making PvE needed for WvW.
If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Its not necessary YET. ANET said it will be in the future. Content gating has been introduced to GW2

still waiting for the required quote.

I already gave it to you.

El Hefe.2814:

phooka.4295:

xiv.7136:

Xpiher.5209:

There isn’t any YET. New content will require you to be geared in agony resistance to do it.

So you’re concerned about something that hasn’t happened, that hasn’t been announced and is clearly not going to happen?

Sigh.

When the new gear was announced, it was said that there would be a point beyond which you won’t be able to advance without it.

for the new dungeon right? if you want to do the new dungeon you can.

If its only limited to one dungeon then its not progression. They already said, as I’ve pointed out in countless threads, that they will be expanding on the agony system in future content updates.

Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later…

So it’s important for us to be able to add an expansion pack’s worth of progression and rewards to support that content[that content being agony system].

This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features.

That clear enough for you https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

once again. nowhere does it say the gear is required.

Its not required now, but when the complete ascent set will be finished its will become MANDATORY to be equal to the others players in term of stats.
WvW is the major issue with this, but even normal world content, or dungeon runs will be influenced By this (aka gearscore).
No one say that is require, because its implict!

You love to grind… ok no one force you to not grind. When i was playing WOW (WOTLK to be precise), i grinded with my pally tank all the thrash of ICC alone, to farm items to disenchant, but its was my choice to do that.
Now here, with this new set, we are being forced to grind, for a future mandatory equipment, when it was supposed that this game was grindless (talking about stats)

Really i dont want to star a flame, its useless, andits sad.
I only want to say one thing to OP.
You post here, instead of in the great thread, because you know that all the poeple that are enraged now, are right, but you want to have your title visible.
I dont care, many other players will come on this thread and they transform this on another negative feedback thread, so useless move.

The really annoying thing, is that this player think that money grow on the tree.

• “dont like it? dont play!”
• “if buy my account, i will be glad to dont play”

otherwise, stop to open flamebait.

ok this is a little improvement for all that players that enjoy only to play WvWvW.
In the actual situation (that can only become worse with the ascended gear) a only world pvp player is not rewarded sufficiently because the badge drop rate is too low and dont rewards player that only play as control and support.
But WvWvW is one of the best karma source of the whole game so why dont let poeple convert karma to badge, and viceversa?

I good conversion rate can be:

120 karma -> 1 badge.
1 badge -> 100 karma (MUST BE NON MODIFYED BY KARMA BUFFS)
so a WvWvW only player, can choose to take the invader set or take an orr set for example.

an optional addition to this can be something like:

2 badge -> buy 1 token of one of the actual dungeons (fractal excluded)
with this rate can be a good choice for a WvWvW dedicated player, to have a good armor without go on dungeons, but its discourage PVE players to convert karma to badge, and then badge to token.

offence.4726:

It’s a personal effort after all , if you are a casual gamer who maxed his exotic set and have probably second BiS inslot why would you want ascendant gear for +5+10+20 stat ? Where will you be using that “hardcore” gear , once a week in wvw or the daily dungeon ? It’s the same previous mmo argument and here it comes: play harder ( work harder ) then the rest get an extra edge it’s just like in the real life or is it not ? No one is forcing you to do it you will still be competitive either way. So why cry about an extra +5 stat you don’t need and won’t use ?

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mumble…
ok i fail as gamer… i thinking that “HARD WORD” was something like, learn you class on every minimal aspects, know how to combine skills and talents to overcome your opponents.
but now i know that hard work, is simply grind grind grind.

/end sarcasm

only one thing… before put random numbers

. So why cry about an extra +5 stat you don’t need and won’t use ?

look this!
http://www.gw2db.com/items

i think this too, when this thread will be definitely dead, it will mean that in that moment no one of us care about the destiny of this game

Urxx.6840:

orresho.3197:

Take a chillpill. For real? You really don’t think they care nor read the posts? I’m 100% sure ANet will post a big blogpost or something about this very soon. This complaints are huge and they can’t make sudden changes. They really have to rethink everything now and the risk of giving a fast answer is that they will just make a bigger mess and have to re-do the whole thing many times = confusion in the community. There is a very big crowd who’s left the game because the lack of progression, let’s face it. And ANet has to balance it all out to bring back that crowd into the game. And that’s what I thing was ANets intention. I don’t think ANet was expecting this kind of rage.
Give them some time before complaining like 8yo kids.

You know, they could start by aknowledging the feedback.

“We are reading your feedback on the forums and are aware of the controversy that was caused by some of the changes that were introduced in the last patch. We are addressing things internally and will respond officially soon.”

Or something to that extent.

Silence on something that is clearly felt as important by the community is never a good idea. And no, I don’t count Chris Whiteside’s as a real asnwer.

Not only that, but also the Q\A on kotaku give us no real answer.
And i think that was the perfect event to chill out the community.

Ok, mi first feedback was infracted, and i take a suspesion… now im chilled, still angry, but chilled, so i can give a rationate feedback.

• First 2 days of event skipped, too angry to do them. so i can say nothing. vote: x/x
• Last day of event well, the megaboss was fine and challeging, but too much lag and invisible players. vote: 5/10
• Southsun cove its good, i love that island, finally a lvl 80 area without risen and without ice. but to much blur effect (like timberline falls). vote 8/10
• fractal dungeon good and funny idea, i bit buggy, but is the best dungeon in the game. vote 7/10
• ascended tier, and RNG loots worst idea for a game like this. the megathred is plenty of posts with the same idea as me. vote 1/10
• general bugfix too much hype for this bugfix patch, and no real fix or player feedback used. vote 4/10

ProphetSword.5427:

lunabaguna.8293:

I think one of the main concerns is the ascended impact in WvW since the only way you can currently get Ascended stats is by running PvE content.

As I said in my original post, there are some legitimate complaints to be had. I get that. And for some people and their play-styles, they might be affected by some of the changes.

I’m also not saying I am for the direction the game is heading necessarily…just that it won’t likely affect the group of casual players who just play for the joy of exploration and leveling.

you dont mention WvW that is the MAIN problem with new stats, because ascended and infusion, add stats on WvW too.

I dont consider myself a casual… i have 4 char(700 hours of gameplay), 1 main with 100% exploration, all the Puzzle achievement, a complete exotic set, but i hate this new powercreep trend.

Why? simply because when i bought this game it was supposed that no one forced me to farm for better stats.
Now i have time to play, but i can have periods of stressed work, and not login for weeks. If i have choose a game like Gw2 is exaclty because i can take a break, return and play as always. With the powercreep, is not possible! Ok now there is some backback and ring(2 tiers, remember), but for the future?

Yep, guys, stop to quote old blogposts we all know this.

Keep this thread alive, keep alive your concern with good motivations, and not only for a +1 post in the big thread

Onshidesigns.1069:

• Downgrade Ascended to legendary gear with Exotic stats.
  *Only Agony resistance on Infusion slots
  *Add Infusion slot to all exotic gear and legendary gear.

This still give players progression through agony. And future
content can still be tied to agony.

Exotics/legendary gear/better agony will be you reward in
endless dungeons and future content.

This also creates more endgame for people who want to put a
agony on all their exotics.

Man its a weeks that we are screaming to have this… and im agree with you… so come and post in the megathread too

Im not against the one time event.
But i agree to stop them for a while. I prefer a fixed and funny game instead of bugs, unbalanced classes and laggy events.

/signed.

RedBaron.6058:

Please do not worry…NCSOFT is developing your new MMO…Lineage Eternal…google it and enjoy..:)

Best regards,

Red

LOL, if i decide to quit with the gw2 experience, i quit with all the product NCsoft\nexon too. Even if they are made of gold.

I was thinking about this move the last night and… i dont know if its a NCsoft\nexon move, because its simply..dumb..

These 2 houses have a grind playerbase, and they offer only grindy games.
So there is no sense in this shift direction, because instaed of offer a different service to collect a new players base (the gw2 concept) they simply shift this game, for the existing playerbase. So no real gain i suppose.

gamefreak.5673:

stof.9341:

Eder.9120:

Wow it keeps getting better… I just found out that because I couldn’t log in 7 hours ago for the final event, I missed out on a free, one-time uber accessory which will cost 1000 shells or about 20 gold (based on current trading post prices) otherwise.

So now, you not only have to be a “dedicated player” running FotM 24×7, you need to log in at specific times too? Seriously… what the hell happened.

It is not uber. It is an accessory with no strong point and just spread out stats all over the place.

That can be a good thing for some builds btw. Not saying it works for everyone but some class’s builds would do wonders with it. My hybrid power/condition necro for one.

i dont think the karka shell is so uber. its good exotic for sure, but i prefer to keep my emeralds exotics accesory , instead of that one.

The ascended problem is a whole different story

P2W its not a solution to grind, its even worse then grind.

With the old sistem, there was no problem.

same stats

• you love to grind for a skin?…then grind it!
• you have no time to grind? then pay for the skin!
• you have no time and no money?… ok you have a crappy skin, but you can play like all the others.

FO:NV or dishnored… dunno