Tacticians are the strategists, I believe, so I think they’re outside the normal ranking hierarchy.
What we know is: Recruit→Crusader→Warmaster→Grand Warmaster (aka second-in-command)→General (leader)
@Lutinz: I think those dialogues have been there since F&F ended.
@Aaron: If you’re insinuating that it’s showing the Great Collapse, I’d say no. Looks more like a ramp than a bridge over a gap (or do you mean in the background of the picture with the arched “roof”? If that, then that gap’s way too small to be the Great Collapse). Looks like wooden structures not dissimilar to Lion’s Arch, but on cliff edges (which doesn’t fit LA).
Honestly, reminds me of this concept art. Though now that I remember the whole “kites” theme found in the .dat, I’m reminded of these two concept art pieces.
Indeed. And take note: Forgal and Tybalt aren’t corrupted (as far as we know, at least). So it’s unlikely that Zhaitan learned of those bases from them specifically – especially when we know that he’s corrupted agents from all three orders other than the mentors.
I’d disagree, VitalSuit. By taking out one of Jormag’s teeth, Aesgir damage Jormag himself, not just his replaceable army. It showed right away that a single person aided by particular magics could do harm to the Elder Dragon which has lived for thousands upon thousands of years. The act of it hits home to the Elder Dragons that they are very much mortal and killable – perhaps why Kralkatorrik hasn’t been heard of since fighting Destiny’s Edge in which he was nearly killed, and just like how Zhaitan was in fear as the Pact crossed through Orr.
Though honestly, Jora’s and Aesgir’s acts would, IMO, only make Jormag wanting to corrupt the norn even more, because what they did proves how strong the race are – which I would think an Elder Dragon whose minions constantly refer to strength through Jormag would desire to have under his control.
Something I’ve noticed that gets overlooked quite a bit is an idle chatter in Hoelbrak, at the large bridge. There’s two women (an old woman and a younger one) talking about the Sons of Svanir and Jormag and about this very topic: why Jormag seems to only have male followers and minions. Their final conclusion was that Jormag was playing “divide and conquer” – to separate the men from women, making the race weaker and less able to procreate, in order to drive the norn into extinction.
Sounds plausible to me. Corrupt half, let the other half die off, then rule what’s left.
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I think FlamingFoxx was mistaking the Caudecus Manor storyline as Caudecus aiding the Separatists (with Uzolan), and Caudecus is in cahoots with bandits and possibly White Mantle.
The Jade Wind simply turned all things to stone – which meant water turned into gemstone.
The inside of the Branded is interesting, as it seems like everything beneath the skin is crystal. Blood included. But yet ghosts were untouched and rivers/lakes were left liquid.
Kralkatorrik showed 0 mesmer ability himself. He only had mental battles when mesmers attacked him, never the other way around. It is Jormag that uses mental powers.
Uniting enemy factions and utterly ignoring the Sons of Svanir doesn’t seem Elder Dragon-ish.
I made an interesting observation regarding the “tampering” of the Dragon Bash Hologram by the Aetherblades. Figured it’d be better off in this thread than a new one so shameless double posting time!
Anyways, what I noticed is that there’s always a Veteran version that spawns with the group of Aetherblades, but this Veteran is always invulnerable – he or she goes to the hologram, kneels, then disappears.
What’s interesting to note: the cube in the center disappears with the Veteran! When it’s the standard holograms, the cube in the center simply stops levitating, rather than going missing.
So this leaves me wondering: what are the Aetherblades doing with these cubes they’re stealing in the dozens (if not hundreds)?
The “sky pirates”’ first mate is killed and their captain killed. It’s possible to destroy their airship even.
If they make a return, it’ll be via Mai’s jailbreak.
The whole concept of “sky pirates” is that they’re coming from the sky, not that we’re fighting in the sky. When they spawn, they spawn via dropping down with lightning bolts.
Because they’re not oakhearts, though they do use the same model. You can clearly see skin, bone, muscle, and clothing under parts of the ice. Though not in your attachment due to the small size.
Icebrood go through various stages – not “evolve” like you compare with pokemon – at first they’re mostly flesh with a bit of ice. These would be your Icebrood Berserker and whatnot. Then over time their veins solidify and skin slowly turn to ice. These would be the larger Icebrood Norn, the Icebrood Goliaths, and Icebrood Colossi (the last being, quite literally, a skeleton encased in ice).
I think is possibly an unfortunate side effect of having too many writers shoving their hands into things, but that’s just opinion.
An opinion which I concur fully with. The Guild Wars franchise is really losing its originality with the living story, and I blame the larger, newer, writers.
She had reports of alot of mursaat chasing langmar and keiran
Source please. Because I just went through the dialogues with them. It only says “White Mantle army” – never makes mention of mursaat nor jade constructs.
Any reports of what followed them would be given by the PC, Livia, Zinn, Blimm, the Ascalonian Settlers, or Captain Greywind.
so i’d just assume she’d assume that spectral agony would be involved given that their spell was so terrifying they had to draft an asuran to study a seer body to make a counter spell to spectral agony.
That’s a mighty kittenumption, given the fact it’s a well known fact that there were only 4 Mursaat alive at the time (excluding Lazarus) of Langmar’s disappearance, so the statement of “lots of mursaat” had to be wrong no matter who said it – be it your mind or some NPC.
We can’t personally see the evidence nor compare it to anything and we can’t just assume she’s had alot of experience with it unless told otherwise given that before the war started she probably wasn’t even aware of the mursaat or spectral agony to begin with.
However, given the large amount of Jade constructs fought, it seems likely that the most elite unit of the Ebon Vanguard would encounter enough of them or their recovered victims to see the effects of Spectral Agony.
The Inquest show no indication of being able to control anything. With the possible exception of Kudu’s Monster… though that’s still uncertain, given that there was no Inquest alive to try to control the thing.
There’s a scene in the explorable mode where some Inquest are fully surrounded by dragon minions that’re trying to attack them. Subject Alpha’s escape is all about an experimental multi-dragon-corrupted minion being outside of their control.
They were trying to create and control a dragon champion. Kudu turned himself into one more or less, but there’s no indication they were succeeding, beyond the fact that Kudu had dragon-related abilities and had his own mind.
Those jumping pads are in Lion’s Arch’s sewers as part of Dragon Ball, created by the sylvari who takes you there and inspired by the Bane from the Black Citadel. I suspect it comes initially from the Iron Legion, and adapted into the Aetherblade’s base by the charr members there.
The Molten Alliance’s tech was more of Dredge tech powered by Flame Legion magic, so they wouldn’t have the tech the Iron Legion – or the Aetherblades for that matter – would have. Theirs was more of a sonic tech powered by fire (whereas Iron Legion is steam/clockwork, and Aetherblade is powered by electricity). Aesthetics are similar for all three (dredge, Iron Legion, Aetherblade), but the source of power varies and that shows in the aesthetics, differentiating them clearly.
If i wanted to be hostile i wouldn’t dance round the bush. If i wanted to be hostile i’d probably just take it to private stuff(which is petty and serves no purpose). Feeling strongly bout stuff and wanting the discussion to be equal doesn’t mean the person is angry.
I don’t mind being wrong but i don’t think anyone likes being told they are wrong for the sake of they think the person is wrong. It’s a matter of respect. I admit your ground has points but i still argue my case. You did admit it’s possible(took awhile) which allows this particular topic to be at an impasse and allow us to move on;
Like I said, intentional or not.
Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “being told they are wrong for the sake of they think the person is wrong” – I mean, if you didn’t think the person was wrong, then you’d be only lying by claiming they’re wrong right? Or am I misunderstanding what you mean. Cuz you can only, without lying, say someone else is wrong unless you believe them to be wrong.
And as to me admitting it’s possible for no physical harm…
we don’t know how spectral agony would look like or if it left a trace or if even the shining blade know what it looks like anymore.
This conversation began, in terms of this direction of the conversation, with this statement. Specifically the bolded.
So technically, while I do say it is possible – but extremely unlikely given Koro’s wording – that Spectral Agony would leave no physical damage, I still stand by my original statement that we know it would leave identifiable traits and that these traits were known. Otherwise, Koro saying such would be pure out-of-her-butt speculation, which is not something a trained military soldier does when reporting a situation to a superior officer. Not unless they’re asked.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Captain_Langmar it only says she succumbed to it which can mean a few things.
I hope you’re not using a fan-written article over the source of the fan-written article.
the jade soldiers were constructs imbued with spectral agony so they were enchanted to the core with it anything they shot or did would inflict it.
That is highly speculative. We know they were able to give Spectral Agony via their attacks (or in the case of the Jade Cloaks, use the spell directly). But this doesn’t tell us that they were “imbued with spectral agony” necessarily (could have just been their weapon, could be the armors and bows were, like the cloaks, simply casting it – except on their weapons instead of their enemies), nor does it mean that they were “enchanted to the core with it” in any way, shape, or form.
I’d consider mental damage as wounds(if she was a mesmer then she could easily recognize mental trauma).
It’d be a metaphorical usage of the word “wounds” then, and a report to a superior about what happened wouldn’t be using metaphors.
if you saw 300 mursaat chase a person and the person dies you know of spectral agony then you’d assume the same as well since it’d be all you’d have to go with it unless told otherwise.
The thing is that’s not what happened and from my memory of the quest in which you can see Langmar, Keiran, and Greywind run off – unless you went with them you only see Peacekeepers and White Mantle. And if memory serves, Koro wasn’t with them.
I suspect Scarlet is the personal nemesis. The actions of the Aetherblades and Inquest alliance sounds a bit too similar to the Molten Alliance’s development. Some figure in the background, not part of the group (as the name is definitely not asuran – sounds sylvari or human to me), gets two groups to join together.
My full thoughts on the matter, simply quoting myself from another thread:
If Scarlet is the personal nemesis, then there’s the Molten Alliance’s actions to be considered in Mai’s own actions. Scarlet would have made two powerful alliances in order to strike at the heart of norn, Iron Legion, and Lion’s Arch livelihoods. But more importantly, both groups have been advancing magitech to high degrees. Molten Alliance produced the Fused weapons, that jetpack, and so forth, as well as (most importantly IMO) the Azurite (gems that are highly magically conductive). The Aetherblades have the steampunk designs but with those incredibly deadly lasers, advanced golems (they used the “brand new” golem models from the personal story, and they seem to have gotten a good boost thanks to Frizz), and there were those dancing holograms among other things (leaping pads, for example).
It’s all seems to be boiling down to “what groups when put together can make a lot of improvements on pre-existing technology?” And then pitting them together with some sort of goal in mind. The Aetherblade/Inquest alliance goal? Likely for the Inquest to get a hold of the Captain’s Council like they do the Arcane Council – through Mai.
But what would Scarlet’s goals be? I presume she saw what the Pact accomplished, and is using underhanded means of getting some sort of technology to rival the Pact’s own. Combining Dredge and Flame Legion; Aetherblade and Inquest… who to be next, I wonder?
Pavess, you’re wording – intentionally or not – is rather hostile. Hjorje wasn’t talking down to you, but suggesting for you to take a breather. And I suggest the same.
As to the topic at hand – I really have nothing more to say. At this point it’s just an argument of semantics and unknowns. You said that I cannot prove you wrong – well, you certainly cannot prove yourself right either. Yes, there were many ways for Langmar to receive wounds, but again – if she received “great wounds” from the fall into the water, then Koro wouldn’t be suspecting Spectral Agony, would she? Chances are, she’d be saying she suffered blunt damage. The only way to suspect Spectral Agony as a means of death is if the body showed the signs – or utter lack of signs in your argument – which would lead people to suspect Spectral Agony. If Spectral Agony left no wounds, then you would only suspect it if it left some other kind of physical mark that isn’t in the form of wounds, moreso if there were few to no wounds.
The only way that your argument – that Spectral Agony leaves no physical harm to the body – would work with Koro’s statement is simply this:
Spectral Agony affecting the body in some non-harmful way that is easily identifiable due to simply being that unique in its means of affect. Similar to how Samara from The Ring killed people, leaving their face contorted with fear, blue skinned, and dripping wet.
It is not impossible for such to happen, but it would still be identifiable and leaving physical affects, even if not actual damage to the flesh. Which would still go against your previous arguments for why Spectral Agony wouldn’t leave physical damage aside from the word “spectral” in the name.
And for the record: I fully concur that the skill attacks the soul. And it is why I believe that the titans and Eidolon are immune/highly resistant to the spell’s attacks.
Aside what FlamingFoxx said:
And specifically for Mai, she seems to have been persuaded or hired to doing so by a “Scarlet.” Though that’s all I’ve heard on it – that Mai mentions the name as someone who’d be annoyed by their screw-up. I suspect Scarlet to be the personal nemesis. Like FlamingFoxx said, I suspect taking a position on the Captain’s Council was just step one.
If Scarlet is the personal nemesis, then there’s the Molten Alliance’s actions to be considered in Mai’s own actions. Scarlet would have made two powerful alliances in order to strike at the heart of norn, Iron Legion, and Lion’s Arch livelihoods. But more importantly, both groups have been advancing magitech to high degrees. Molten Alliance produced the Fused weapons, that jetpack, and so forth, as well as (most importantly IMO) the Azurite (gems that are highly magically conductive). The Aetherblades have the steampunk designs but with those incredibly deadly lasers, advanced golems (they used the “brand new” golem models from the personal story, and they seem to have gotten a good boost thanks to Frizz), and there were those dancing holograms among other things (leaping pads, for example).
It’s all seems to be boiling down to “what groups when put together can make a lot of improvements on pre-existing technology?” And then pitting them together with some sort of goal in mind. The Aetherblade/Inquest alliance goal? Likely for the Inquest to get a hold of the Captain’s Council like they do the Arcane Council – through Mai.
But what would Scarlet’s goals be? I presume she saw what the Pact accomplished, and is using underhanded means of getting some sort of technology to rival the Pact’s own. Combining Dredge and Flame Legion; Aetherblade and Inquest… who to be next, I wonder?
@FlamingFoxx: Yes on the races. There’s no sylvari, or asura – as you said, all asura there are Inquest.
there are branded sparks which is not really physical and water is physical, you think maybe he cant?
Like I said, exception being lightning.
However, I wouldn’t call water “physical” – or rather, I should clarify that by physical I meant solid.
He creates lightning itself, so the sparks may be direct electrical energy from Kralkatorrik or the Branded, rather than corrupted Air Elementals.
And I wouldn’t say there’s anything an Elder Dragon “can’t” corrupt, but rather there are things they choose not to corrupt. Crucible of Eternity, and other story steps, utilize draconic energies for purposes the Elder Dragon doesn’t use it for, which corrupts things that would otherwise not be a corruption. E.g., there’s not one proven Destroyer that was once a living being, except in Crucible of Eternity story mode formed from Inquest experiments (but that overall is an odd room, as you’ll see a kodan turned into a Branded Charr and a human turned into an Icebrood Kodan and a charr turned into a Destroyer Troll).
And before you bring up the Destroyer Queen, since it’s been done before to my argument, nothing really says that it was once a corrupted being – the mentors all speculate either a corrupted living being, or a new form of standard destroyer. The eggs themselves hatch not only Destroyer Crablings, but also full grown Destroyer Crabs and even Destroyer Trolls, which indicate those “eggs” are merely portable single-individual “spawning pools” which the destroyers are known to form from (form slowly in vats of lava and stone as seen in Edge of Destiny and, somewhat, in Eye of the North).
The Mystic Telescope is an ancient jotun device they used to study the stars. They were able to determine that by studying the stars one can predict when the Elder Dragons rose. After the last Elder Dragon rise and the Six Gods’ arrival on the world, they took the Mystic Telescope and other ancient magics to Arah for study. Apparently, when an Elder Dragon rises from slumber a new star is formed, and the Mystic Telescope is what the jotun used to see this happening.
As Hjorje said, during the jotun path of the Arah explorable dungeon, you can interact with the telescope and witness a cinematic showing what appears to be the formation of a new star – what the picture you refer to is from – presuming the instance leader doesn’t leave before you can (happened with me ~_~ so I never got a chance to see the cinematic itself except via Youtube).
This is actually an oddity on the current map.
The original map – as well as the novel maps – have the dragonbrand going further north. In Edge of Destiny, Kralkatorrik begins corrupting things the very moment he breaks free of the earth that formed around him during hibernation.
And I would say yes, it had the ability to chose when and when not to corrupt, given that during the fight with Destiny’s Edge, it was an off-and-on attack that he used a couple times.
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It was made by his breath, specifically “plasma” breathing, but as said – in the Edge of Destiny novel, it’s shown to be a proactive action by Kralkatorrik.
Why didn’t water crystallize? Never explained, however I suspect it has to do with the reason why the ghosts were left untouched too. I suspect that Kralkatorrik only corrupted things that were physical – and lightning.
In its early days, I’d say definitely. But in GW2’s time? Idk.
@Getefix: At the end of the novel Edge of Destiny, Kralkatorrik flies off. He’s no longer creating the Dragonbrand when he does so, so we don’t know if he went back or went somewhere else.
Also, the Sunspears no longer exist. They were broken and disbanded. There are still some lone travelers who supposedly hold Sunspear belief, but that’s all really. At least as far as we’re told or that’s implied to us.
Likely #2. Mesmers are known to be able to bend the fabric of reality (a lot like the Staff of the Mists is said to do, now that I think about it…).
I’d figure Elona would be open up at some point because isn’t Kralkatorrik currently in Elona from his landing after creating the Dragonbrand?
He isn’t. We don’t know where Kralkatorrik went. He may still be in northern Crystal Desert, being that “dark force” mentioned by the Desert Gate Guards outside Ebonhawke.
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What Aaron linked.
Though the link is highly outdated now, it hasn’t had anything disproven afaik.
It’s possible that Koro’s analysis was that Langmar’s physical wounds were not, in themselves, sufficient to lead to her death… but that they were a contributing factor. Thus, it could be that what she’s essentially saying is “her wounds were too great for her to withstand the accompanying Spectral Agony”.
Then the wounds wouldn’t have been “too great.” While it’s an interesting interpretation, the two statements are said separately.
She died because her wounds were too great.
Koro suspects she succumbed to Spectral Agony.
Not:
Her wounds were too great, but not enough to kill her.
Koro suspects Spectral Agony finished her off.
The second alteration is easy enough to argue, but the first? It’s a possibility, but a very slim one IMO.
Now mesmers identifying spectral agony is something we don’t know is possible because we don’t know what school of magic spectral agony belongs to( i’m assuming something similar to ritualist magic if only something close to it). I’m not saying it’s impossible but i’m not honestly aware of a situation where mesmers have been show to identify spectral agony.
You make it sound like you need to be able to use a kind of magic to identify it. You don’t. That’s why spellcasters are so distinctive in their profession – any Tom, kitten, and Harry can tell a necromancer’s magic from a mesmer’s. Spectral Agony is, as far as we know, not part of the four schools (as it not only predates the schools, but the mursaat have spent lifetimes in the Mists away from the bloodstones).
I think all you need to identify Spectral Agony as such is to see it. And given Koro was fighting White Mantle and their “gods’ pets,” she would know Spectral Agony from other magics.
Errr… you do know that Jade Armors and Bows apply Spectral Agony with a single blow or shot. And there were four mursaat coming along with the last White Mantle army, all being the very leaders (who stayed back until things really went south for Toriimo and Isaiah)… accompanied by vast scores of Jade soldiers.
Yes, I’m aware. Though I don’t see what the attack on Lion’s Arch has to do with the attack on the Ascalon Settlement.
And don’t forget the existence of Jade Cloaks.
Besides, I think that if she was killed by an arrow or hammer wound that then inflicted Spectral Agony, well… Honestly, the means to apply it via physical harm only gives me further belief that Spectral Agony itself causes physical harm.
The arrow might have only grazed her arm, or the hammer merely broke her little-finger, or anything from which recovery is more than likely under normal circumstances… yet she died due to SA that came with the blow or shot.
Actually, if Langmar had sustained a hammer blow or arrow wound that clearly was not in itself sufficient to be mortal, and knowing firsthand what Jade constructs are capable of, they could easily surmise that Spectral Agony was responsible.
Like I told drax in this post:
I’d hardly call those wounds that were “too great.”
And again: Jade Cloaks also exist. Non-mursaat who use Spectral Agony as a spell.
You can find a GW1 Balthazar statue at Dead God’s Lair in Plains of Ashford. Pretty sure there are others too, but not sure where. Same with Lyssa.
You do realize “succumb to their wounds” has been used in alot of contexts not only relating to psychical damage.
Except that’s not the phrase she used. If you read my previous post before last, you’d see her exact wording. I’ll quote again:
“Unfortunately, her wounds were too great. I think she may have succumbed to Spectral Agony before they even got to shore.”
She had wounds, noticable ones. What’s said that she succumbed to is, albeit not proven fact, to be Spectral Agony. You have two facts presented:
How does one determine if someone died from Spectral Agony? The condition of the corpse – i.e., the wounds, or lack thereof. Langmar had wounds, therefore Koro couldn’t be suspecting Spectral Agony due to the lack of wounds. If Spectral Agony leaves no physical wounds, then either Langmar wouldn’t have wounds, or the wounds wouldn’t have been too great that they killed her.
So unless Koro could peer into Langmar’s last moments of spiritual pain, Spectral Agony must logically leave wounds for Koro to be able to identify the great wounds on Langmar’s body to be caused by Spectral Agony.
WHILE YES IT CAN LEAVE PSYCHICAL DAMAGE neither you or me have seen the actual effects it has on the body(1 npc’s dialogue is hardly proof you say this to other people as well when they cite dialogue)
I find it really hard to believe the race that specialized in avoiding being found or leaving proof to where they were would use a spell that would do the complete opposite given it’s unique history.
I don’t. Why would you need to hide your trace when you yourself will never be found nor harmed. It’s like leaving breadcrumbs intentionally.
Take, for example, the greatest hitman. No matter how good he is at hiding, the means of killing will always be visible. He may never get caught in his entire life. He may blend in with those trying to catch him. But the way he kills is still aparent.
Also, given how sadistic the mursaat come off to be as of Arah explorable, I really wouldn’t doubt that they would intentionally leave visible means of damage they do – just to create unsolved mysteries, false rumors, speculations, and so forth. I mean, what would you think is the case when suddenly someone dies of unexplainable wounds that should otherwise be impossible? What would you think if ten people over a century die of such a way? You’d think conspiracy perhaps, but certainly not a race of ancient beings capable of hiding themselves to all eyes.
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Depends on if you’re meaning the enemies called “Nightmares” (such as the Fog Nightmares), or the enemy type of nightmares, which also existed within the Mists. If the latter, then they exist, but are ‘rare’ in appearance. The most common Nightmare witnessed would be Shades, but only them and Aatxes are seen.
But why the good ol’ four-legged faceless Fog Nightmares disappeared? kitten good question. Wish I knew; wish Anet just used the skelk model under Death Shroud to “recreate” them for GW2, but alas.
It is indeed absent. So is Lyssa’s. It’s not explained why but given how three of them are not only submerged but half-buried, I’m betting Balthazar and Lyssa’s statues are fully buried.
I find it funny how the last three posts basically say “kitten what Koro says, I’ll believe something else!”
Consider this:
Why would Koro suspect it was Spectral Agony when Langmar is wounded if Spectral Agony were to give no wounds? The fact that Langmar had wounds tells us she was physically harmed and injured, so why would she conclude with Spectral Agony – if it were to give no identifiable (aka direct and/or unique) physical harm – and not, say, salt water getting in and infecting the sword cuts?
Her dialogue practically tells us, when you take in logical reasoning, that Spectral Agony leaves a very unique kind of wounding impact on the body – similar to how one was able to figure out it was sonic weaponry that killed the Dead Merchant NPC who had blood coming from his ears at the beginning of Flame and Frost. Whatever that physical harm may be. Something that is similar yet uniquely differentiated from other magic.
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Not bad design, rushed design over a sinkhole. That’s the “official” story at least. The one that the Shining Blade give. Bad foundation due to a sinkhole.
Going on the details of the model, it looks a little amphibious to me, but highly skeletal (the legs and spine). The shape looks weird as Hell though, even for a wyvrn interpretation which would, by influence, imply Jormag – the skeletal concept would fit him too, given the Dragonspawn and Claw of Jormag bring partially skeletal.
Mayhaps a redesign of Drakkar? The head fits, if I’m looking at it right, scales almost do.
Presuming it’s a dragon. Which it may not be.
They are working with the Inquest (I believe it was as some kind of alliance), according to the news post “Who are the Aetherblades?” on the official site from last week.
Ah, right. It was to Gwen Thackeray, not Keiran Thackeray. Bad memory is bad.
If you are still having this issue after the game update just a few hours ago, can you provide some more detail on when and how it is happening? Thanks!
After the jumping panels, we went downwards through the door to the mob. She fought as we did, then we went down unsure that was the path she took (well that was my thought at least) and on our way back up she just stopped moving.
Same general place as everyone else.
We tried multiple things to try to unstuck her – talking to her, wp’ing across the dungeon so that she’d “warp” to us like some NPCs do. Nothing we tried worked.
I personally view that as something akin to how the amulets from Necromancer Rissa turned the grubs from living to dead without inflicting harm, or how the Orrian artifact that Kellach had (which I suspect was an amulet from Rissa) was turning him into a champion of Zhaitan, despite the fact that everyhow else, Zhaitan only corrupts corpses.
That is, the Koda’s Bane guy was using Jormag’s corruption in a way that Jormag (and his highest champions like the Dragonspawn and, possibly, the Claw of Jormag and Drakkar) doesn’t prefer.
Again, the quote was “The men return… as frozen icebrood. The women return… not at all.” It does not say the women die, just that they aren’t part of Jormag’s southern armies.
Minor clarification: The discussion is about attacking the Dragonspawn, a champion of Jormag in the south.
The men who go to face the Dragonspawn are part of the Dragonspawn’s retaliation – there’s two such retaliations seen in the novel – while the women who go to face the Dragonspawn never return.
I would like to stress however that Svanir was turned into the Nornbear, while Jora was cursed (but she wasn’t changed in appearance). And if you look closely at what the Nornbear looks like, he is basically an icebrood champion. And we know that only male Norn return as icebrood.
This could mean that female Norn can’t be turned into icebrood at all.
All it shows is that Jormag, who’s known to seduce with promises of power before corrupting, didn’t corrupt Jora through his champion, Drakkar.
There is an NPC in Frostgorge Sound, near the southern grawl camp. He states that unlike all other Elder Dragons who corrupt to enslave, Jormag first convinces individuals to follow him before corrupting. Jora didn’t follow him, so she wasn’t corrupted.
It could be as simple as that in Jora’s case.
The Great Collapse is full of mysteries and contradictions presented by those guards.
For example, the guards say that 1) they had several weeks notice for the evacuations and that such was done in orderly manner, 2) the Shining Blade were aided by the Seraph in evacuating, and 3) there were no casualties.
However, the citizens nearby say that 1) it was a sudden thing, happening in the middle of the night, and 2) only make mention of the Shining Blade – no one mentions the Seraph being involved. Not only this, but for the street rat humans, you can talk to Riot Alice during the third story step in the first arc where she says 3) her father died in the collapse (this being covered up is why she specifically is an anarchist working with bandits/street gangs).
Then add in the surroundings of the city:
This all has led me to believe that the Great Collapse was caused by an underground bandit attack that the Shining Blade, interested in White Mantle activities, learned about and acted against in the middle of the night.
There is currently ONE out of NINE dungeons that have their entrances in Lions Arch. So I don’t really understand what you mean with “dungeon entrances are in LA too!”
Probably the Halloween and Wintersday dungeons being referred to.
Behind the Shuttered Gate is NOT the Dominion of Winds. We can see the real borders of the Dominion of Winds in this map from the novels:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Map_of_Tyria.gif
It doesn’t reach to Lion’s Arch. The Shuttered Gate is an anomaly, probably an overlook on the devs part, or the tengu trying to expand their territory – it’s likely just a gate that leads to the Dominion of Winds.
But the area between Lion’s Arch and Kessex Hills is not the Dominion of Winds. If it were, then Garrenhoff would be cut off from the Sea of Sorrows by the Dominion of Winds’ full-enclosure walls, which would both prevent trade to and fro there (it’s a port, it has trade, NPCs make constant mention of it and the skill challenge is related to such), and the karka wouldn’t have been able to attack there (the Dominion of Winds is likely why they attacked Morgan’s Spiral and not further north where Noll was during The Lost Shores).
The Dominion of Winds doesn’t reach further east than Kessex Hills – you can even see the wall’s end (where it’d bend south), before reacing Garrenhoff.
There’s a memorial to him and Langmar next to Gwen’s gravestone, isn’t there? He’s probably buried right next to his wife. That’s how folks tend to do things in rl, probably how it was done there.
Or they never recovered his body if he died on a sorte. Which would explain the memorial.
An expansion is in the works. We got confirmation of this not too long ago. But any other details other than “it’s in the works” is unknown.
Each update does give permanent content, it’s just varying degrees of such and usually in the form of locations. Southsun Cove (and then later, the locational changes to Southsun Cove+meta event), Fractals of the Mists, Cragstead and North Nolan Hatchery, and more than likely The Dead End are all permanent additions. So there are permanent content additions. It’s just that there’s not much compared to what is temporary.
First of all is Zommoros. He is part of one of the most integral mechanics of the game, the Mystic Forge. Granted he’s a really ancient Djinn (dating to when Karka were last seen), but nothing prevents other Djinns from being as ancient as he is (and it’s possible that his powers aren’t neccesarily given just for his age).
With thousands of playable Djinns walking around, Zommoros doesn’t make too much sense as the power behind the mystic forge.
I fail to see how this is an issue.
Does humans being playable ruin Logan, Jennah, Kiel, Riel? Does charr being playable ruin Evon, Rytlock, Smodur? Does norn being playable ruin Magnus, Eir, Forgal? Does sylvari being playable ruin Trahearne?
No. So why is Zommoros so different than all the other dozens of important NPCs? Because he runs the mystic forge?
By that argument, being able to play humans ruins Miyani’s importance and specialty. The fact that it doesn’t means that Zommoros’ uniqueness won’t be ruined from djinn being playable. He still runs the Mystic Forge, unlike any other djinn. If PC djinn ruin Zommoros, then any large addition of djinn NPCs would ruin him.
Djinns also fly (in fact they are never seen walking as far as I can remember, as their legs have pointy ends instead of feet, which is an aditional problem for gearing them with boots), this is a huge problem given several mechanics of the game.
This is the biggest issue, imo, as it leads to the armor situation as well. But really, it’s the only issue there truly is. And a lot of races have gotten redesigns from minor to major. Giving djinn the ability to have legs when they’re shapeshifters would hardly be a major one.
As you said being ancient (and I doubt Tengu live as long as they do given their organic nature vs their elemental nature) is another problem for them as it makes them too “superior” to the playable races to relate to them on their same level. If anything they could be a race guiding the players through Elona with their ancient wisdom.
You utterly and fully misunderstood me. I meant that the race is ancient, not the individuals. The tengu seem to have knowledge on the Elder Dragons the other races do not, indicating that they may be survivors – as a race – from the last ED rise. Same goes for djinn.
Technically speaking, while it’s possible that Zomorros was around when the karka were last on the surface, if you look at what he says, he technically never says having seen the karka before. Merely that “they are familiar” to him. For all we know, he only knows them via second-hand knowledge.
And what would age have to do with things? The sylvari PCs are newborn, and norn and asura can live into their 100s, norn longer than all other playable races. Sylvari natural lifespan is unknown and could easily surpass the others. Why would the djinn be so special because their oldest member could be hundreds or thousands years old? The PCs per the storyline don’t have to be at all.
And I would think the main issue with having Djinn playable would be their inability to wear any of the current clothing. Djinn are semi-transparent/translucent and they have 4 arms… All existing armour would look ridiculous on them >.>
Not all of them have four arms. The fire-based djinn don’t, and that’s just going off of GW1 models.
There aren’t any GW2 models yet, the best we have is an artistic rendering of Zomorros’ face. Which doesn’t show translucency either.
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The spoiler isn’t so much what happens at the end of the franchise, but what happens at the end of the movie.
This day and age, audiences are a little more sophisticated. I doubt there is anyone who didn’t think Zhaitan would be defeated. But even if they know Zhaitan will be defeated, at least the audience can still wonder about the “how”.[/quote]The thing they’re wanting to avoid more, I believe, is the developments leading up to Zhaitan’s defeat. Which NPCs are killed, who did what, what was recovered/lost, etc. ArenaNet constantly drops the ball on spoilers – from revealing over a year before hand that Zhaitan would be the primary antagonist, to revealing the Molten Facility final bosses in the preview, to the poorly named achievements for the living story, and so forth.
And there were, in fact, people who were speculating that Zhaitan wouldn’t be killed/defeated, there were folks I saw make mention of hoping that he would instead defeat us, force us out of Tyria, or that we’d never make it to him, or that he’d retreat before death to remain a more distant threat.
Would you guys prefer if E was an entirely new character, or if he’s someone we’ve already met, but would not expect to be E?
I would prefer an old character. There’s a lot of figures already in the game, and all of those really elaborated upon got killed. It’d be nice if some of the pre-existing figures from earlier stories were to return and expanded upon, without being killed. Like Faren was, but moreso.
I’m also not quite yet ruling out the possibilty that E isn’t in fact a single person but a group of people.
What, like the rumors on the Shadow Broker?
The german translation of the story on their mainpage is refering to E as a male. It could be a wrong translation but still…
E is repeatedly referred to as male in English too – the short story says his voice was deep, which would indicate male, and he’s called male by Majory.
First of all, what’s to say that E is not a codename but his real name, and 2nd of all, I think this E is not someone we know.
I don’t think anyone has a given name which is simply “E.” Even in pronunciation – closest you get is Eve.
I’ve been thinking about Destiny’s Edge as well, but as has been discussed in another thread, ArenaNet is trying to keep characters from the personal story out of the living world as much as possible, so as to not spoil anything for new players. Putting the Edge in there would basically go full force against that approach.
Technically, Destiny’s Edge’s story isn’t in the personal story but the dungeon stories. Though the same effect holds more or less. But it’s still a loop hole that could be considered.
Here’s a possibility:
Personal nemesis! o.o
Majory only thinks E’s a guy – as far as we know – due to his deep voice. But what if it’s a woman who was altering her voice instead?
to the voice-acting, to the sin city feel.
In my opinion, this is what was bad about the cinematic.
Don’t get me wrong – I loved the concept behind it, and I’m usually one to spout out the good stuff about things as much as possible. But the feel that the cinematic gave was just… too un-Guild Wars like to me. The “sin city feel” as the OP puts it, just made me cringe. In of itself it’d be great, but in the world of GW2 it just felt like a slap to the face of how the rest of the game feels. And I can’t say I’m very fond of Majory’s voice acting – or Logan’s attitude in that particular scene (particularly his very last line in the cinematic; that just felt like breaking character, not so much the line but the tone). But to each their own.
TBH, it felt like the voice actors were trying too seriously, turning it into the feeling of a comedy parody created by over-seriousness.
I’d argue that it is completed, that’s just the aesthetics of the charr. To have something that’s more bare bones but solid of a structure than something that’s all pretty looking.
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