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The followup imob needs to have a slight energy reduction imo.

I liked #5 as an interrupt, but I’m still not fond of the skill as a whole. Because of it’s nature too, it felt very situational.

What in the world people!! This thread is not about freaking balance! Go away and stop derailing the thread.

I /facepalmed myself nearly through most of that video. The quality of players he fought against was quite horrid. I thought this was supposed to be about 1vs4…. I only saw 1 vs 0….

Also, here’s a hint at how to stop a Rev in his tracks: Conditions.

Aomine.5012:

Revenant is a HYBRID class that can keep part of his DPS even while healing, as well as switch to provide other forms of support if need be when he’s not healing. Revenant can either go with Power or Condition build while they’re healing.
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That’s debatable. Ventari requires a LOT of attention to make the healing work. There isn’t much time for dps in addition because of the micromanaging.

To me, I think Ventari should be looked at as supplement healing, not the main.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

I’ve gotten lots of feedback, increasingly so with time, about this part of the sword auto-attack chain. I’ll be changing this skill so that it will no longer use a projectile attack and instead it will become a normal melee attack which applies vulnerability.

Aww, I know it had it’s problems, but I did enjoy the skill. It was nice as a double hit. Would its removal now be consider a nerfing despite the Vulnerability application?

Also, please add my request in with the others that are asking for an animation change to the initial stab in the chain (skill 1). Thanks!

Ald.9418:

I will not stop my crusade to get Rev a greatsword, so my vote goes for that. Though i’d prefer it in a power build, i’ll take what i can get.

I’ll +1 that. Consider me a fellow GS Crusader!

Chaosbroker.3860:

Ald.9418:

I will not stop my crusade to get Rev a greatsword, so my vote goes for that. Though i’d prefer it in a power build, i’ll take what i can get.

In all likelihood Revenant will end up getting the greatsword, but it’s more likely to happen as one of the other two elite specs rather than part of the core kit.

You’re probably right, which is going to hurt because Glint is so gooooood!

Already feeling the pangs of withdrawal for my Revenant!!!

/CRY!!!!

Linfang.1087:

This past weekend helped me prep big time. I had all my prepping gear put in my bank tabs and copied it over to beta. Once I got all my gear and bought all my Ascended rings and infusions I found out I am short Laurels for a extra set of tanking gear! Looks like I will be hitting those daily log in and fill the gaps with exotic for the time being. Or pray for a ring drop with the stats I want.

I also found out I have more than enough transmutations to deck out every character I play!

Now to play that waiting game…. ToT

Zoltreez.6435:

anyone tried cele ?
seeing as i have ALLOT of succes with my cele Medi guard the burn condi prety much compensate for the lost power. and the healing increase is prety nice so i wonder.

i feel like the Condi stat would go to waste not many condi even in trait lines :/ as a revenant.

It might work on a Mallyx build, but not a Glint/Shiro.

Linfang.1087:

Tolfast.6289:

The only answer to any question like this is Charr!

Charr master race.

OP here is your answer /\

Saw the typos there so I fixed it!

Needs 1200 range and workable with or without a target.

Armor always looks good on humans, and the culturals look really good!

I’m personally picking Charr because well…. Charr. ROAR!!!

Nostredeus.3105:

Jalis is actually very nice in terms of taunt. With traits you can almost perma taunt/slow

Could you elaborate more on this? How did you do it?

Rain.9213:

I did some more testing before the BWE ended on Sunday and found a Warrior build that can actually counter the Herald Sword/Shield Shiro/Glint set. It requires the dual endure pain, balanced stance, shield axe/gs setup. However, I still can’t say Revenant needs some attention though as despite the warrior playing nearly perfectly, I made a TON of mistakes, was half asleep and only lost due to my UA bouncing off two other targets that were watching the fight two separate times. Even then the battle dragged on forever as I was able to reset the fight using the staff block, block trait and shield 5.

I almost do want to say that maybe UA and shield are in the right spot because that warrior did give me a run for me money… but I fought two other warriors, one running signets with the power signet for unblockable attacks (which can hit through the shield 5) and one running hammer,gs with the dual endure pain and balanced stance traits and despite losing to the former thanks to his attacks being unblockable, once I got the hang of how to fight him, I really started tearing him apart with Herald. The Hammer/GS Warrior on the other hand got decimated. At one point, I won with 90% hp.

However, that’s warriors. Endure Pain plus blocks make them a fair matchup against Revenant. How did I fare against other classes? Well, Thieves can pretty much get one shotted by UA combined with Enchanted Daggers. I actually did manage to achieve this by pressuring one to dodge twice with Jade Winds and AA, then UA’d and he went down to about 5% with that single one then died shortly after to Staff AA stealth cleave.

It’s hard to say definitively but I still think the sword/shield set is just a TAD bit too strong.
Maybe if the shield trait got a slight icd increase or something, idk. But if you’re not running unblockable attacks or condi bombed the hell out of the Revenant, you’re gonna be stuck with a loooong and annoying fight. Similar to Chronomancer which can survive for an eternity while putting a ton of pressure thanks to the tools they have.

The game is not balanced to 1v1. Your point is invalid.

Angier.1047:

Calcifire.1864:

Enrif.7359:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Calcifire.1864:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Enrif.7359:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Maybe it’s just me, but the hand glowing seems a lot more faded this time around. Am I just imagining it?

It is by far not as bright as it was in bwe2, thats right

I thought so. I know I’ve mostly been a proponent for keeping them on all the time, but I’d rather have brighter, combat only hand glow than the lesser, always on version we got this time around.

I’d be happy if we got a brighter combat glow but a dimmer non-combat glow, just as long as the glow was still there OoC. (if anything, that would improve Rev’s flavor: you are always channeling, but in combat you access more power)

Yeah, I like that! I’m not sure why the fiery glow was toned down so much. Roy, please make it so.

so basically, off while out of fight, entering a fight a nice burst and then the glow for the fight. its fine. btw, when changing legend you get a short stronger burst glow

No

Dim whilst out of a fight (dimmer than current if you really wanted, just as long as it’s THERE, revenants always channeling is an important part of their lore)

Strong when in a fight

and a short flare when changing or entering combat.

it makes sense from a lore perspective (you access more power when in a fight, but still maintain a connection out of combat), and satisfies all parties except the ones who want no glow OoC at all (no matter how faint), or the ones who want perma-full glow

It makes no sense from a lore perspective because even though we KNOW that Revenants channel 24/7 we don’t know how the hand glow is / should be related to that.

Because the Legends are empowering your actions? How does that not make sense? Point to the lore that says your hands aren’t supposed to glow please.

There is a very obvious particle effect when casting it. If you can’t see this, then you’re blind.

Also, this skill is very comparable to other skills in the game. If you want to complain about not seeing any effects on a heal that can potentially refill your life, then look at Defiant Stance.

Calcifire.1864:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Enrif.7359:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Maybe it’s just me, but the hand glowing seems a lot more faded this time around. Am I just imagining it?

It is by far not as bright as it was in bwe2, thats right

I thought so. I know I’ve mostly been a proponent for keeping them on all the time, but I’d rather have brighter, combat only hand glow than the lesser, always on version we got this time around.

I’d be happy if we got a brighter combat glow but a dimmer non-combat glow, just as long as the glow was still there OoC. (if anything, that would improve Rev’s flavor: you are always channeling, but in combat you access more power)

Yeah, I like that! I’m not sure why the fiery glow was toned down so much. Roy, please make it so.

The amount of misinformation from OP and the others against PT is hilariously ridiculous. Get your facts straight please.

Enrif.7359:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Maybe it’s just me, but the hand glowing seems a lot more faded this time around. Am I just imagining it?

It is by far not as bright as it was in bwe2, thats right

I thought so. I know I’ve mostly been a proponent for keeping them on all the time, but I’d rather have brighter, combat only hand glow than the lesser, always on version we got this time around.

Greatsword!!!!!1!!!!!!!11!!!!One!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!!!!!!

Does Infiltrators Arrow have a CD?

Maybe it’s just me, but the hand glowing seems a lot more faded this time around. Am I just imagining it?

Sarmach.1547:

Demented Yak.6105:

Sarmach.1547:

Demented Yak.6105:

How the kitten do you get a 10k hit with hammer?

I want to do that!

Go to my post history, in the thread about the hammer in WvW I posted the WvW build and the SPvP build I ran.

Oh. WvW. I thought you were being serious.

I love how people in this forum seem to be 70% SPvP and want the revenant balanced around that. Combat in this game should be balanced around PvE and PvP (which includes SPvP and WvW whether you like it or not). Is it not ridiculous to allow imbalance in one third of the game just because it works in the other two thirds?

Except, this game isn’t normally balanced (or at all lately) around those game modes. Only to PvP. That’s just the way it is.

Enrif.7359:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Kidel.2057:

Angier.1047:

The permanent glow effect on Rev feels horribly out of place in comparison to other professions. So it’s not just personal preference but also a question of adhering to coherent design principles.

It is a personal preference since the vast majority of the posters here doesn’t agree with you.

Vast? The “vast” majority of posters didn’t read, at all, and are arguing something contrary to the OP. When some people are trying to conciliatory by having the effect only display during combat it’s clear they didn’t read because that is the entirety of the OP.

The majority of the posters like the effect, but only a handful of them are adamant that it has to be permanent, as it currently is. It’s hardly even any number at all, though, when you consider this is still the first page.

If i’m correct there are currently only 2 who want it alltime permanent, and atleast 3 who don’t want it out of combat. the rest likes it, but doesn’t mind if its off while out of combat.

soo…what was this with the majority?

I think you need to recount, because I got a largely different amount of keepers/removers/neutrals.

Don’t forget to add the other thread to this count as well. I’m sure that’ll change the number too. And, I think you’re gonna find the number of keepers is much higher.

Rain.9213:

First off, I want to state that I love Revenant and it’s gonna be one of my 2 most played classes in HoT.

Second, Revenant just has too many good things going for it. Unrelenting Assault getting invuln was necessary… but a damage boost? No. That wasn’t needed. At the very least the damage boost should not have been so high.

It is completely ridiculous now to the point where a Revenant can make a crap ton of mistakes and get saved by the shield 5+shield trait. Now this would not be too much of an issue if a Revenant didn’t completely destroy you every time he popped UA.

Yes, I can play around UA but for example: I was fighting a Revenant 1v1. He pops UA throughout the fight, fine. I simply pop my invulns, blocks, etc. Keep in mind I’m running energy sigil so I can evade them too. I almost kill him once. Shield trait pops. Okay, keep fighting. Almost kill him again. He uses Shield 5. Alright. Let’s keep going.
I almost kill him a 3rd time but by then, UA pressuring so much and me having to use all my survivability just to live that 1 skill that has literally no drawback to casting with a ton of benefit, eventually I just ran out of ways to sustain myself while the Revenant casually won. It wasn’t even a matter of he played better than me as I juked, landed crucial attacks, and evaded or blocked UA as much as I could.

I think the Shield trait and skill 5 on Revenant are good but the real problem here, I think, is Unrelenting Assault. It’s not even a matter of me not knowing what to do against a Revenant as I played it extensively and know it’s ins and outs. It’s just that a Revenant is a tad bit too strong.

That and Chronomancer right now are quite absurd. Also Staff kittens for way too much. I have been on the giving and receiving end of it and I know how ridiculous that is too. I literally can one shot an enemy effortlessly with it just by baiting them out of dodges with UA, running up to them and pressing 5.

Let me start of with a preface, this game is NOT balanced around 1v1, and from what it sounds like, you 1v1’d. Therefore, most of your post is invalid for balancing purposes.

Now, let me ask a few questions. Did you try CC to interrupt his rotations? Did you try condi-pressure? What about interrupt skills? Since you were using sword as well, did you use your UA defensively or only offensively? What sort of stats were you running? What stats did you think he was running? Sounds like are running zerker stats when you claim One-shotting and you faced someone built with sustain. So yeah, you’re gonna lose to that.

Honestly, all I see from this post is complaints and no real objective material.

thejoedude.3465:

My condi revenant does great in pve… i keep up constant 15 stacks of torment, 3 to 4 stacks of burning and 2 to 3 stacks of poison with some chill and weakness and confusion thrown in, and its very easy to get up to 30+ stacks of torment and double the burning as before, all condis at once for me typically hit for 4-8k per second on a mob standing still so i say its pretty good, and in pvp its so easy to hold a point with mallyx, just drop a ton of torment feilds on the point and turn your elite on and your in great shape to hold that point, anyone that enters just melts

Yep, I’ve had similar experiences. I think people just need to learn how to play with the strengths you get with the new changes and look forward instead of backward.

Two different legends. Glint is more about boons. Jalis is more about tanking, but I do agree that there needs to be more tweaking to jalis. Less energy consumption on some of the skills, and RotGD needs to last a couple more seconds longer.

I’m still not like the initial stab motion of the first attack on the auto chain. Maybe it’s just me, but it feels awkward and the nice misty effects of the sword maneuver gets lost from it.

Angier.1047:

The posters here are not debating design choices but personal preference. My argument is about the design choice.

Besides: Just because in this instance there are other people posting in favour for the effect (or against it) doesn’t mean either side is representive. In the end, it’s ANet’s call and all we can do is bring up valid points for either side. No gain in trying to confince anyone that your view is the only correct one just because there are others agreeing with you. That’s not how this works, sorry.

Design choice? What? That’s like people saying that Revenant’s shouldn’t have weaponswap because of design choice of making it equal across all armor types. That makes no sense.

Also, major rules. That’s how it always works, sorry.

Sounds like it’s time for either an upgrade or a better computer for some of you.

I’m not seeing any FPS drops either.

Absolutely love them and how it’s on all the time. I actually wish Roy would have them made more prominent!

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

I am finding Mallyx even better now…

Agreed. The condition play is much better, especially when combining several abilities. I do agree that either the energy burn on several utilities needs reducing further, including EtD or maybe add another stack of torment.

The poison trait needs to lose the CD on it too.

Very happy with the changes though. Just need some number tweaking.

I think it’s great.

Quite the opposite on my account, I love the new EtD. I was able to maintain a lot of torment stacks, even with cleanse. But, I do agree that energy cost is still a bit too much when you take into account other skill use.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Tried it out and looks awesome. It won’t be out in time for the next beta weekend, but know that it’ll be coming.

Roy, A+ on the dodge roll anims! I especially love how the mist effect follows you after you finish!

Similiar to the other poll, but still different. Obviously since my signature at the bottom says it all, I voted yes, from my current main, which is Thief.

However, I’ve switched my mains over the years though. I mained Guardian for 2 years, then mained between mesmer, necro, ranger, thief, then changed to Warrior for a good 6 months, and now currently maining the Thief for the last several months.

Rich Fuel.7253:

see, it sux i wanted it for years! (1.5+-)

Hmm. I think it looks cool! I’ve been trying to get that skin for awhile and all I get is a spoon…..

Hmm, I look at it as that we have the option to want/need to swap rather than are encouraged/discouraged. For example, some Legends lend themselves to a camping of sorts, Ventari and Glint for instance. However, the mechanics are there if you need to swap, for energy gain, or several traits, especially Invocation, that encourage swapping.

The design really gives you a feel of personalization of your own wants/needs that make this class really shine. The mode-switch feel to it is what attracts me the most to this class. You don’t have to swap Legends continously on CD to be effective, unlike Elementalists, where really need to switch attunements on CD.

Really, there’s a give or take to the swapping, rather than a have to.

Heck, I plan on using every single Legend during my gameplay, but I also have a Legend-neutral build in mind.

Gaaroth.2567:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Gaaroth.2567:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Gaaroth.2567:

Jephiroth.3197:

25 days to go!

waiting is unbearable

Seriously! It’s like watching the clock at work.

Seriously! I have to get back to work U.U

I hate to wish life away, but that clock sure does move slow doesn’kitten

Don’t stare at watch, don’t stare at watch

Does staring at the calendar and hoping it’ll suddenly change to Oct 23 count?

Gaaroth.2567:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Gaaroth.2567:

Jephiroth.3197:

25 days to go!

waiting is unbearable

Seriously! It’s like watching the clock at work.

Seriously! I have to get back to work U.U

I hate to wish life away, but that clock sure does move slow doesn’kitten

Malchior.5732:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Malchior.5732:

Gaaroth.2567:

Yes like i said this is how we work now: condi/conditank.
Before we had the same role in a different and sorta skillful way (also only really workable against other condis) now we are simplier but stronger.
I repeat again, let’s try and give Roy all the feedback. After all in Roy we trust, no

It was a lot more high risk, high reward style though. Of course I’m still going to try it out, but the new Mallyx doesn’t really seem to have any real depth anymore.

As pointed out though, you have to be facing a condi target. If you weren’t fighting a condi-dispenser, Mallyx was only partially effective. Now, you don’t have to depend on that. You are self-reliant.

Not necessarily true. Eles, Guards, Rangers, Power Necros, even Thieves, etc. all provide Conditions for you to play with without even focusing on them and IIRC, EtD used the Rev’s Condition Damage.
You were less effective against builds that had like no (damaging) conditions at all, but those aren’t exactly common.

That’s true. Didn’t think about that.

Malchior.5732:

The old elite was somewhat situational, but very powerful while the new one has no reason not to be activated(it only puts you at -2 energy/sec after all) .

Unless you’re a condi-Revy

So CS without the clone/illusions? Wouldn’t that be a bit OP? Where’s the counter play in that?

Gaaroth.2567:

Jephiroth.3197:

25 days to go!

waiting is unbearable

Seriously! It’s like watching the clock at work.

Malchior.5732:

Gaaroth.2567:

Yes like i said this is how we work now: condi/conditank.
Before we had the same role in a different and sorta skillful way (also only really workable against other condis) now we are simplier but stronger.
I repeat again, let’s try and give Roy all the feedback. After all in Roy we trust, no

It was a lot more high risk, high reward style though. Of course I’m still going to try it out, but the new Mallyx doesn’t really seem to have any real depth anymore.

As pointed out though, you have to be facing a condi target. If you weren’t fighting a condi-dispenser, Mallyx was only partially effective. Now, you don’t have to depend on that. You are self-reliant.

Gaaroth.2567:

Malchior.5732:

Gaaroth.2567:

Yes like i said this is how we work now: condi/conditank.
Before we had the same role in a different and sorta skillful way (also only really workable against other condis) now we are simplier but stronger.
I repeat again, let’s try and give Roy all the feedback. After all in Roy we trust, no

It was a lot more high risk, high reward style though. Of course I’m still going to try it out, but the new Mallyx doesn’t really seem to have any real depth anymore.

On this we all agree i guess

No, I still disagree with that, but I will agree to disagree.

Hiki.9310:

People are saying that our torment application has improved, but isn’t it worse now?

The only changes affecting our torment are to unyielding anguish and embrace the darkness.

Unyielding anguish use to apply 6 stacks of torment instantly, and after the changes it can only apply 4 stacks on players who refuse to step out of the aoe.

Also the new etb only offers a 3 second longer torment than the old one that could do so much more.

Torment stacking was doubled on EtD.

Malchior.5732:

What I want is a “why”. Why is it unhealthy? Just cuz he’s a dev and he said so? That’s not a good reason. Because it counters Condi Builds? That’s really debatable.

Second, it IS a matter of opinion, hence “All I really want is:”.
If I want a condi build that does nothing but vomit out 1 or 2 conditions, I’ll play a Burn Guard. Hell, the new Necro Scepter outputs a nice chunk of Torment now too so what does Mallyx bring?

Ok, I can see that then, on the why.

LunaraGK.8725:

You’re all probably better off ignoring Lonewolf Kai and their tantrums. They seem to be of the nature and mindset of “I’m always right, you’re always wrong.” Anything to the contrary will wind up causing a screaming-fit/tantrum. In short? Feed not yonder troll.

From what I’ve read, other that them, this is a good debate over the potential nature of the changes until they can be experienced first hand.

Way to flamebait. And you call me the troll?

Malchior.5732:

All I really want is:

1. If possible, I want Roy’s reasons behind removing EtD’s Condi Copy(and not changing Pulsating Pestilence to something different/more useful/less RNG).

2. At the very least something more interesting to be brought into Mallyx. I’ve read some really awesome suggestions like the Demon stacks thing or Self-Corrupting all your own Boons to then spread or something more than just vomiting Torment.

1. He did gave a reason: for the health of the class and the game.
2. Matter of opinion. Some us like the changes and want to at least try it.

Chakatsilverpaw.5218:

Didnt we already have torment and stat boost before?

The torment stacking was effectively doubled on EtD.

warherox.7943:

It’s the dragon, confirmed by Roy on twitter.

Oh that’s good!

Malchior.5732:

So basically, you have no idea what else the new EtD can do(all it does is pulse Torment…) and your “facts” are nothing but blind speculation(like you just said, he doesn’t refer to EtD at all).

That’s not what I posted at all, but if it makes you feel better about yourself, be my guest and think that.

Gaaroth.2567:

Malchior.5732:

savacli.8172:

If I’m not mistaken, the other issue with EtD was that it copied the conditions you had at the same level of intensity. In other words you could walk in with zero condi damage, resist a burst from a Burn Guard (for example), and effectively make the guard eat his own attack. Since EtD is a pulsing effect that Guard would have to worry about this problem every 3 seconds.

To me, that doesn’t seem right. Yes, you can just strip the Resist boon off a Rev and have him explode, but how readily can a boon be stripped vs how often a Rev can apply that boon on himself?

Necros still have their own corruption, but their skills work differently. The Necro gains virtually nothing from hoarding conditions outside of his heal. Any sort of condition manipulation or transfer is a one time effect as well so there’s not this constant chase of having to repeatedly wash off copied conditions.

Ultimately, Mallyx still does well as a condi counter. I agree that there was a lot of flavor lost, but mechanically a Mallyx Rev is still very strong (at least on paper) against condi builds. Other than laughing at your foes by ignoring all conditions effects, Bolstered Anguish still offers an incentive for hoarding conditions (even more so for sinister-esque builds).

Edit: As far as a stand-alone Condition build for Mallyx (can Mallyx generate enough condi’s on his own)? Well, that’s to be determined in the next beta. On paper it doesn’t look all that great, but Roy mentioned changing/adding traits to help the Legend self-reliance.

AFAIK, it used the Rev’s own Condi Damage(and again, it’s only 1 stack for 3 seconds). Then, Necro’s Curse line does have Plague Sending(and Necro’s transfers on Staff/OH Dagger) and Parasitic Contagion(that should work, no?) to actually “make use” of the self-conditions. It doesn’t work very well, but the design is pretty similar to Mallyx’s. You’re right that Mallyx was made to hoard them while Necro was made to get rid of them, however, this was the Corruption gameplay that actually worked.

Also, the Heal, Pain Absorption, Bolstered Anguish, Repleneshing Despair, and Pulsating Pestilence were all technically nerfed upon removing Self-Conditions.

A stand-alone Mallyx condi build might work, but since it relies almost entirely on Torment and a few supplementary Burn/Confusion/Poison stacks with few Cover Condis(Chill/Vuln) , I don’t know how well this will do. It has no Control, no Stun Break, no Cleanses, no Transfers. So you have to just vomit out Torment I guess.

well we have a whole another legend to cover up + traits. Conditions on mallyx aren’t an issue if you pace nicely the skills with the resistence trait. The control is not extremely needed (even tho you ca use axe/sword OH). Stun breaks can be fetched elsewhere. Overall i think i’ll still run my mace/axe/shield mallyx/glint corruption/retribution/herald build with some tweaks in trait and adjustment in gameplay

Control will be key for a few situations if you want to dump a lot of Torment stacks on at the same time, but contrary to thought, Revenants do have several control options.

Malchior.5732:

Because that’s not how things work? Roy is just a regular person and can make mistakes; that’s the whole point of the Beta anyway: to fix things. I think he went a little too far with the changes.

I don’t see anything special you can do with EtD anymore. Outside of the +10% stat boost, literally all it does is pulse out Torment. What special strategy can you do with this? Please tell me, because outside of not being dumb with the timing, there doesn’t seem to be much else. Do you want me to use Unrelenting Assault to stick to the target? I could do that before. Do you want me to use it after they cleanse? I have no Condi-Bombs to use, so you basically have to use EtD to make your Condi lethal by using it then. There’s literally nothing else you can do with it.

Actually, you’re using nothing but blind speculation. Roy never specified what was unhealthy, but removed several aspects of Mallyx. He did mention reasons for the Displacement and the Self-Condis(which, again, are pretty debatable), but never EtD. Displacement was disorienting, and Self-Condis were awkward to use with Group cleanse, but EtD? No one knows. You can’t ignore this fact.

Sorry, I’m not a trainer or have the time to help you. If you have a guild, I’d suggest hitting someone up for some strat help from someone who knows condi-gameplay well.

Onto Roy’s reasonings, look at the quote again:

…while I know some of you will miss some old functionality we feel it will be the right choice for the health of the game and profession for the long term.

Yes, he does not specify which skills, but if you look at the context of what he was saying and when he said this, you’ll see it was refering to all of the Mallyx changes, including EtD.

EDIT: Here’s a direct link to the post where I got the quote from. If you look at the previous postings, you’ll see the context he is replying too.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Upcoming-Revenant-changes-for-BWE3/page/3#post5494389

Malchior.5732:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Malchior.5732:

That doesn’t give us a real reason though. What does unhealthy mean? The only reason he gave was group cleansing.
Even then, I’m not saying the new Mallyx wont work, but rather that it’s a bit dull. All it does is spew out Torment and lost a lot of strategy.

Again, wrong. That’s not the only reason he gave. I just quoted another one above. He doesn’t have to explain why in depth. Do you explain to people how you put your pants on in the morning? Do you go left leg first, then right, zip, button, or some other order? Or does simply stating that you put your pants on is enough? Personally, I’d rather him spend his time doing his job than telling us all the exact details to each and every decision. Less time blabbing, more time with quality time fine tuning.

He never specified why he did it. Part of the reason Roy is so liked here is because he usually goes into “why” he does these changes. In this case, he took away Displacement, gave a valid reason. He took away Self-Condi because it’s awkward for teams to use which is debatable and he took away Condi-Copy on EtD because….I don’t know. He NEVER specified that EtD was unhealthy with it, it’s just gone. Was the functionality that was unhealthy the displacement, the self-condis, or the condi copy or all of them? I don’t know. He didn’t say.

He doesn’t HAVE to say “why”, but I’d like to know because just saying it’s unhealthy(which he didn’t even direct at EtD) doesn’t tell me much.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

And in all honesty, there’s a bit of strategy involved if you want to pump out a lot of Torment out at one time. It’s not just pop EtD and follow target around. That’s not enough. There’s going to have to be several sequences to make it effective. You’re going to have to figure out how to dump a ton of it on at the same time, while keeping the target from cleansing, pushing out cover condi’s if he does, being able to reapply quickly. Etc, etc. I fail to see how this is dull. If you’re just tunnel visioning at EtD alone, you’ve already failed.

The strategy is just not being dumb with it. It literally is just pop EtD and follow the target because there’s nothing else to it; it’s just a Condi Pulsing skill.
If they cleanse, it’s just going to be re-applied immediately and like I said, I don’t think this will be really weak or anything, but it lost a ton of depth.
Oh, and Cover Condis? We actually lost Blind, Weakness, Cripple, and Vuln applications on Mallyx because of these changes.

Before, I could apply Self-Blind/Weakness and then pulse it out or I could walk through Fire fields on purpose to start dealing out better damage, or I could watch when my team gets Condi-Bombed, use Pain Absorption and then spread the condis around. Powerful? Yes, but it only copies a SINGLE stack of each Condi, it had a 1s cast time, the condis themselves only last 3 seconds, it only has 240 radius, and without Pain Absorption, you’ll only have 2 seconds of Resistance.
I have trouble believing this is unhealthy.

Old Mallyx was a Corruption Necro done right. It’s a high risk, high reward playstyle that Condi builds are generally lacking and it was a ton of fun.
At the very least make the Condi Copy trait not so RNG-based. It’s way too unpredictable for me to ever rely on.

Again, why does he have to explain every single detail to us? Why not just trust in what the developer does? Roy’s track record shows that he deeply cares about the Revenant, so it’s not like he is doing this just to spite the class.

Also, I can’t help you if you’re unable to see the more complex strategies for using EtD effectively for condi-attacking. That’s a learn to play issue. As I said before, if you think popping EtD and sticking to the target is good enough for the amount of effective Torment, you’ve already failed at condi-Rev. There’s a lot more involved, and alot more what-if’s you’ll need to be prepared for.

Chakatsilverpaw.5218:

I’m with Malchior on this. Lonewolf Kai, you cant just shout “wrong” every time someone Disagrees with you. It makes you sound like a child throwing a tantrum. The truth is He did never specify what with Unhealthy. The only real answer was Cleansing. The OP is right really, If its possible to stop condi’s from being Cleasned that really should be the route taken instead of gimping the entire build.

What in the world are you squawking about? Re-read the posts again. I’m simply stating facts. Malchior was stating that Roy said condi-cleanse was the only reason for changing Mallyx, when he clearly stated more. Implying that’s the only reason is just plain stupid when there was more to it, and unless you’re Roy himself, you can’t say otherwise. He gave his reason S. Deal with it.