It is an honor to count you among the ranks of the Revenants. This class is not an easy one to play and takes quite a bit of time and knowledge for proper timing of skills and when to use them. You are a master at it.
How many stacks of bleed did you have on you? Around 10 and it probably was one thief, although I doubt that would eat through 30k hp without you seeing it.
If it was around 20 stacks, probably 2. And again if it was around 30 then most likely 3. Given you saying you died in a matter of seconds that is the most likely in my opinion.
You should show something in your combat log though. That nothing appears is strange.
I thought that was odd too. Nothing in my logs though. I figured out part of the problem. I was lagging a bit. And only around that thief. I was even in a blob vs blob fight and no lag. The whole ordeal was very fishy to me.
I have a thief and actually used to main one, but I can’t figure out what killed my necro in WvW. It was a thief, because I was basi’d, and I could see the what looked like traps hitting and could hear the caltrops popping up. I had 30k health and dead in a matter of seconds. Never saw the player once.
First, I didn’t think that type of build could actually destroy 30k health. Second, my combat log showed absolutely nothing.
Is this a classic cheesy permastealth trapper build that hit me? If so, I find it hard to believe I was destroyed like that by a single build alone. Perhaps it was more than one cheese builder?
you have to do it all for all 3 slots, but it can be done in either order so you can attune without infusing both rings to give you 1 more slot total than you had before the change
Okay, thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some essence farming then.
You can buy those with fractal relics now if you have the fractal mastery. So not much need to farm those either.
Don’t have that yet I don’t think. I guess I can work on that.
So I lose my +4 Condi damage and can now have a buff from 4 things which have no value to me at all.
Adding insult to injury, I get back the infusion, not the laurels it cost me.
Strangely the joy of this is lost on me entirely.
Not one of the better changes thank you.
No, you gain up to 12 condi damage because you can now put them in attuned and infused rings. Before you could only get 2 +4/5 infusions. Now you can do up to 3 in each ring. Your stats go up, not down.
Wait, wait. So you’re saying you can get more by using the attuned slots? I thought the attuned slot was just for AR only. Also, I thought you can only get +5 attributes on the infusions. How are you figuring +12 condi for each trinket?
Disclaimer: I strictly WvW and never got into the Fractal/AR thing. Just purchased my infusions from the WvW laurel merchant. Sorry for my ignorance. I’m going to have to go back and re-read those notes. I normally skip past Fractal stuff.
Attuned gives a slot
Infused gives another slot
All slots are the same now so you can fill everything with +5 and +1% damage against or -1% damage taken infusions.
You will need to do some fractals for the infused slot.
Okay, I see where I was getting confused. The rings come with an infusion slot already. You have to infuse it again with the 3 types of Mist Essences, and then Attune it for a total of 3 slots.
So I lose my +4 Condi damage and can now have a buff from 4 things which have no value to me at all.
Adding insult to injury, I get back the infusion, not the laurels it cost me.
Strangely the joy of this is lost on me entirely.
Not one of the better changes thank you.
No, you gain up to 12 condi damage because you can now put them in attuned and infused rings. Before you could only get 2 +4/5 infusions. Now you can do up to 3 in each ring. Your stats go up, not down.
Wait, wait. So you’re saying you can get more by using the attuned slots? I thought the attuned slot was just for AR only. Also, I thought you can only get +5 attributes on the infusions. How are you figuring +12 condi for each trinket?
Disclaimer: I strictly WvW and never got into the Fractal/AR thing. Just purchased my infusions from the WvW laurel merchant. Sorry for my ignorance. I’m going to have to go back and re-read those notes. I normally skip past Fractal stuff.
Attuned gives a slot
Infused gives another slot
All slots are the same now so you can fill everything with +5 and +1% damage against or -1% damage taken infusions.
You will need to do some fractals for the infused slot.
Yeah, sorry. Just found out how easy it is to Attune. I always thought you had to go from Ascended to Infused to Attuned. Adding one more slot is way, way easier/cheaper. All good now.
I think you still do if you want all 3 infusion slots…. unless I’m confused again.
you have to do it all for all 3 slots, but it can be done in either order so you can attune without infusing both rings to give you 1 more slot total than you had before the change
Okay, thanks for the info. I’ll have to do some essence farming then.
So I lose my +4 Condi damage and can now have a buff from 4 things which have no value to me at all.
Adding insult to injury, I get back the infusion, not the laurels it cost me.
Strangely the joy of this is lost on me entirely.
Not one of the better changes thank you.
No, you gain up to 12 condi damage because you can now put them in attuned and infused rings. Before you could only get 2 +4/5 infusions. Now you can do up to 3 in each ring. Your stats go up, not down.
Wait, wait. So you’re saying you can get more by using the attuned slots? I thought the attuned slot was just for AR only. Also, I thought you can only get +5 attributes on the infusions. How are you figuring +12 condi for each trinket?
Disclaimer: I strictly WvW and never got into the Fractal/AR thing. Just purchased my infusions from the WvW laurel merchant. Sorry for my ignorance. I’m going to have to go back and re-read those notes. I normally skip past Fractal stuff.
Attuned gives a slot
Infused gives another slot
All slots are the same now so you can fill everything with +5 and +1% damage against or -1% damage taken infusions.
You will need to do some fractals for the infused slot.
Okay, I see where I was getting confused. The rings come with an infusion slot already. You have to infuse it again with the 3 types of Mist Essences, and then Attune it for a total of 3 slots.
So I lose my +4 Condi damage and can now have a buff from 4 things which have no value to me at all.
Adding insult to injury, I get back the infusion, not the laurels it cost me.
Strangely the joy of this is lost on me entirely.
Not one of the better changes thank you.
No, you gain up to 12 condi damage because you can now put them in attuned and infused rings. Before you could only get 2 +4/5 infusions. Now you can do up to 3 in each ring. Your stats go up, not down.
Wait, wait. So you’re saying you can get more by using the attuned slots? I thought the attuned slot was just for AR only. Also, I thought you can only get +5 attributes on the infusions. How are you figuring +12 condi for each trinket?
Disclaimer: I strictly WvW and never got into the Fractal/AR thing. Just purchased my infusions from the WvW laurel merchant. Sorry for my ignorance. I’m going to have to go back and re-read those notes. I normally skip past Fractal stuff.
Attuned gives a slot
Infused gives another slot
All slots are the same now so you can fill everything with +5 and +1% damage against or -1% damage taken infusions.
You will need to do some fractals for the infused slot.
Yeah, sorry. Just found out how easy it is to Attune. I always thought you had to go from Ascended to Infused to Attuned. Adding one more slot is way, way easier/cheaper. All good now.
I think you still do if you want all 3 infusion slots…. unless I’m confused again.
So I lose my +4 Condi damage and can now have a buff from 4 things which have no value to me at all.
Adding insult to injury, I get back the infusion, not the laurels it cost me.
Strangely the joy of this is lost on me entirely.
Not one of the better changes thank you.
No, you gain up to 12 condi damage because you can now put them in attuned and infused rings. Before you could only get 2 +4/5 infusions. Now you can do up to 3 in each ring. Your stats go up, not down.
Wait, wait. So you’re saying you can get more by using the attuned slots? I thought the attuned slot was just for AR only. Also, I thought you can only get +5 attributes on the infusions. How are you figuring +12 condi for each trinket?
Disclaimer: I strictly WvW and never got into the Fractal/AR thing. Just purchased my infusions from the WvW laurel merchant. Sorry for my ignorance. I’m going to have to go back and re-read those notes. I normally skip past Fractal stuff.
When activating Embrace the Darkness, the transform animation doesn’t play and it’s instant. I hope this isn’t working as intended. It needs that animation.
dont roam with rev no matter what the build, anet only want mes and thiefs to roam.
LoL Rev can roam and pretty good)
I wouldn’t say pretty good compared to the other two. It’s okay, but doesn’t shine at all in comparison to the other classes. How would I know? I main both Rev (Herald) and Thief currently, and used to main a Mes for awhile. Thief and Mes are miles ahead in being easier to roam with. Rev (Her) really only shines once you +1.
Ive tried roam with every character but with Rev\Ele\Engi it was much easier for me if compared to other classes. Its all just depends how you play, nothing more.
I suppose you’re right, although I’d add in a heavy knowledge of what other classes can do makes a gigantic difference more than how you play.
As opposed to Staff? Staff is the number one useable weapon in the game right now. GS isn’t even second. Sword is.
Your point? We came out of the box with staff and sword, so its not like we can ask them to take it away. I dont see how that helps toward asking for a GS when there are still less utilized options that could be requested as either MHs or OHs. My point was that there were already enough GS users across armor types (2 heavy, 1 medium, 2 light), so why ask for something additional that’s already fairly widely available?
I just find the opposition to GS funny when it’s not the most widely available weapon. I see some people hear GS and immediately think “no” just because they don’t like the weapon. Or another reason is that “it’s the most used weapon,” when it actually isn’t. Their reasoning has nothing to do with what’s already being used or not used and has more to do with personal bias.
That being said, I personally hate rifles and pistols in a fantasy setting game, so my personal bias would be against using either of those two.
For Greatsword I say this….make it a healer weapon and tie it to a burst healing spec! For core revenant I say this – we need a condi ranged weapon before we get more elite specs!
Isn’t Staff supposed to be the healer weapon though?
Sword #5 is a nice interrupt nothing more, for roam\spvp shield is better, if you want something agressive in OH axe would be better.
I disagree with what you say about Sw#5. Yes, it does interrupt, but it also helps you to setup a combo. If I’m running with a group or just a couple people, I use it to pull a target that’s trying to flee back to my friends. Other more useful times, setting up a UA attack. I sometimes use the combo of Sw#5, Sw#2, Sw#3, and it’s pretty effective. I’ll also use Sw#5 to combo with my utilities depending on which Legend I have up and if I have the energy.
This is all assuming you can actually connect with it! It seems to have a problem doing that often.
dont roam with rev no matter what the build, anet only want mes and thiefs to roam.
LoL Rev can roam and pretty good)
I wouldn’t say pretty good compared to the other two. It’s okay, but doesn’t shine at all in comparison to the other classes. How would I know? I main both Rev (Herald) and Thief currently, and used to main a Mes for awhile. Thief and Mes are miles ahead in being easier to roam with. Rev (Her) really only shines once you +1.
I’ve been running this (just with cheaper food & utility) after boosting a Rev to see what the class is all about. Never been keen on root in place skills, and was wondering how well Staff would work here in place of Sword+ Shield.
Staff works well as an alternative. I prefer sword/shield because the sword autos, sword 2 and sword 3 do a ton of damage quickly. The shield 4 giving protection and regen is great. Shield 5 rooting is pretty bad, I don’t like that, but it has saved me in fights where I got pushed on and had no other way out. It seems like the Guardian’s Shelter if it rooted you in place and healed for less.
I liked staff, but I still prefer the sword/shield. I’ve even considered playing with sword/sword for the pull but offhand sword seems more like a condi weapon.
Sword offhand isn’t a condi weapon. It’s more of a control, power weapon. You’ve got a mobile block and an immobilize attack on 4. Then you have a Fury-giving, backwards shadowstep pull on 5, which needs some serious overhaul imo. Unless you consider immobilization and pulling a condi, there is no condi anywhere else on it.
Condi d/d is how you play it now. Stop asking for buffs on a weaponset that is such a low skill set
Condi d/d should have never existed to begin with. The set was designed with a power setup in mind as is evident by 4 out of the 5 skills on the set. The issue happened when they created the ability to apply multiple condis on a dodge and refill dodges constantly.
D/D power is some of the highest skill play you ever see on a thief which is why nobody uses it outside of gimmick 1 shots which are still done better and safer with d/p. What I am asking for is buffs to a set that requires significant skill and timing. I’ve posted enough times how much I hate condi evade builds and how if I had it my way I’d gut them without regret or a second thought. D/D power viability is being discussed not condi noob carry builds.
This is completely opinion on your part. D/D condi has been,around well before daredevil was a thing. Just because you despise it doesn’t make it go away so any buff to D/D is a buff to the condi set as well. Please see why PD was never correctly buffed
As for it requiring the most skill….I don’t think so. You are really only using 2 skills in the set with maybe a 3rd in the form,of HS. The hardest part of the set in power is closing gaps and landing cnd.
Even then you can set up your skills for 3 shadow steps to ensure the cnd. It’s really a 1 track mind while playing it and if you sit down and think about it it requires minimal skill
Yes, the hardest part is landing CnD….. But that’s where the biggest problem lies in. D/P is far superior in this regards. It doesn’t require a target/hit. There is no comparison with the two. So yes, it does require much more skill.
Strictly speaking from WvW experience, I can’t count how many times I’ve missed CnD and have to use it again just to get a stealth off. It’s one of the reasons I have Black Powder on my bar. D/P doesn’t have that problem.
Because if we are talking about frontlines and positioning, it’s likely it’s about WvW? How often in spvp are you having fights where there’s more than 2-3 people?
In what kind of fights do you think you’ll find a well played auramancer? And where do necromancers position themselves?
There is a frontline in SPvP be it obvious or not, all you need is another ally to have one.
No, frontline/backline talk general refers to WvW and zerg play not PvP. Stating that you have another ally with us as a Frontline is just grasping for straws.
Is GW2 your first RPG?
Frontline and backline in MMO and JRPG is fairly well defined saying that it only applies to WvW is a bit sad…
Because if we are talking about frontlines and positioning, it’s likely it’s about WvW? How often in spvp are you having fights where there’s more than 2-3 people?
In what kind of fights do you think you’ll find a well played auramancer? And where do necromancers position themselves?
There is a frontline in SPvP be it obvious or not, all you need is another ally to have one.
No, frontline/backline talk general refers to WvW and zerg play not PvP. Stating that you have another ally with us as a Frontline is just grasping for straws.
Whatever ranged weapon the Revenant gets, it’ll be a 900 range weapon. In that case, you won’t see a Shortbow, especially a condi one.
As much as I love a GS in general and especially as a melee weapon, I doubt we’ll see one since it’s so common already. At best hope, the GS will be a 900 range weapon.
I also doubt they’ll ever put in a dagger main hand when the toon has a sword off hand.
I’d be okay with that as long as the damaging part of it remains. That helps keep the target in combat when they flee. As it is now, a fleeing target is the only time I use PT, and only if I know I have help coming up behind me. Otherwise I’ve got nothing except AA. I used to actually like PT’ing and then Sword 5, to drag the target back. Can’t do that now.
The trait doesn’t even work, it just applies 1 stack of torment instead of copying conditions onto the enemy.
Wow, that’s….just absolutely awful.They can fix Assassin’s Annihilation’s leeching but leave this thing broken for who knows how long?
Bravo, Anet….sigh
Pfffffft!!!! That would be a buffing bug fix. We don’t do that around here. You must be new to Revenant bug fixing….. We only fix bugs that result in a nerf.
Burst damage with Glint. Using a different legend makes it hard to activate the damage, but since Glint doesn’t use energy its pretty easy to do the damage every time
I’m missing something here. How does using Glint make it any easier than compared to the other Legends?
god guys, rune of leadership convert 2 condis for you and everyone around you..if your team has 2 player running it it would be NP…
you also has staff 4 which also removes 2 condition and assassin retreat which removes all soft CC conditions so you can focus cleanse the damage ones with your staff or w/e..and glint heal also affacted conditions, when some one condi bomb you, you pop the heal by the end of the heal, majority of the damage is already dealt or give you time to cleanse it before it does major damage..not to mention the blocks and blinds…please..
power rev already pretty good to condi and sacrifice little compare to alot of other power builds
That’s a lot of stuff that can be used for other purposes other than condi cleanse.
its ridiculous. thief can instantly get 6k distance using a few skills. but rev having a 1200 distance skill that didnt use 80% of the energy you start with was clearly too much for the ’legendary ’ assasin.
we are talking about burning 3 CDs of 60 secs, 30 secs, and 21 secs compared to a 1200 range 5 sec CD skill…..
LOL! You conveniently forgot to add that Revenant also burns 70% of his energy upon use… assuming he has 50 energy at skill use, which usually is a no.
Has anyone else experienced getting stuck in place and unable to move after using Riposting Shadows sometimes? I have to dodge to get out of being stuck like that when it happens.
That’s a lot of sacrificing just for condi cleanse.
I think the biggest sacrifice is running dwarf instead of assassins. I don’t run durability runes personally, I’m fine running Scrapper runes on mine. I run assassins for roaming but Dwarf for larger group play. I’m fine with running Generosity sigil personally as well.
I’m still trying to decide if I want to replace my Traveler’s Runes with something else. I know, I know: “TRs?!!? What are you thinking!?” I actually use all 5 Legends, and sometimes Glint isn’t one of them, so no reliable source of speed. That’s why I’ve stuck with it for this long. Lately, I’m thinking of replacing them with Leadership, Durability, or Scrappers. That 6th slot are those 3 are just so attractive!
I’d definitely drop trav runes on Rev. Glint is pretty much a must in my opinion, so there is really no real need for them. I’ve played around briefly with all of the legends and the only ones I really liked for WvW are Glint, Assassins and Dwarf.
The Revenant went through many changes from its original concept.
I believe its time to let go of some of the older design concepts that are still around, such as the Energy System, and the Legend Swap mechanics.
Legend Swap should be designed around frequent swapping like Engineer Kits, instead of the cooldown version we have today.
Cooldowns are all thats needed. the Energy system was an old concept that just never worked out. Yeah cool call back to GW1, but it doesnt even work like GW1 does.
Heck no!!!! The current system is fine, it just needs tweaking, ala removing CDs altogether, from both weapons and utility.
Precision Strike sounds like it’s still bugging out. Also the scaling is bugged.
However, UR is working as intended.
Now to add to your list, Offhand Sword 5 needs to either be a shadowstep or have a range increase so you can actually land it. I’d rather see it as a shadowstep personally, but keeping the same animations.
That’s a lot of sacrificing just for condi cleanse.
I think the biggest sacrifice is running dwarf instead of assassins. I don’t run durability runes personally, I’m fine running Scrapper runes on mine. I run assassins for roaming but Dwarf for larger group play. I’m fine with running Generosity sigil personally as well.
I’m still trying to decide if I want to replace my Traveler’s Runes with something else. I know, I know: “TRs?!!? What are you thinking!?” I actually use all 5 Legends, and sometimes Glint isn’t one of them, so no reliable source of speed. That’s why I’ve stuck with it for this long. Lately, I’m thinking of replacing them with Leadership, Durability, or Scrappers. That 6th slot are those 3 are just so attractive!
Three legends would be enough.
That said, a start to addressing the Energy situation would be to just make Weapon skills not consume energy but function on cooldowns, while utility/heal/elites consume energy, with the heal/elite having a cooldown+energy use combo.
No way. Revenant needs to go back to it’s mechanic basis and stick with energy only imo.
Fact is they need to split the energy cost from the cd, eother a skill has a energy cost or a cd not both.
How is that a fact? Where do people get this idea?
Having both CD and energy makes the skills easier to balance for anet, and individually stronger which makes them more psychologically satisfying for us players.
It’s not the revenant’s mechanics that are broken, it’s everything else. The spammable combat system (only CD or only energy) is one of the reasons for why GW2 pvp/ esports failed. But Anet can’t simply revamp their entire game now.
CD prevents players from spamming the same skill.
Energy prevents players from spamming skill rotations.
They work really well together.
While not a fact, it is definitely a warranted opinion considering the constant increases we are seeing on the skills. We are seeing added cooldowns AND added energy costs.
Yes, they worked really well at the beginning, before the increased double costs. But at this point, it’s starting to not make sense having both.
Not everyone wants to play piano with their keyboard. That’s what elementalists and engineers are there for.
Some people prefer more streamlined and relaxing mechanics, and having both weapon swap and legend swap is already enough.
I can sort of agree to that, though honestly, I think it would be a neat idea as long as it wasn’t required to spam Legendswap constantly to be effective like elem.
seriously..pt nerf just make the class more on par to balance..it’s not like it rendered the class “prepatch warrior-useless”, it’s still good and well viable, i guess only true rev will stay and all bandwagoners can go bandwagon the next FoTM
Yep, using a skill to close the gap and be a sitting rock with no energy to do anything else definitely bring rev closer to “balance”. Autoatk ftw after all.
Rev start to falling out of meta, thief can murder him as both heals are easily negated by him (Shiro heal is so kitten amazing after all.) and warrior dish out insane damage in teamfights (unlike rev autoattacking people) while still being good at +1. Both can clean conditions on their own too. The only reason to get rev right now is for boon support but theres ele for that so rev is not needed. If you mean closer to balance aka warriors few months ago then youre right, we got closer there.
main dps is auto and sword two which consume very little energy, seriously not sure the issue here…
and lol, clearly you don’t play warrior, warrior is no more of a point holder compare to power rev against multiple enemies and can be easily killed if focused (riposting shadow op), specially if there’s a thief with venom, the smash brawler build has only 2 stun break (one with long CD), compare to power rev has 3(all have relatively low CD and 2 doesnt consume energy). sure rev can be weak to condi mes, but it’s definitely not weak against warrior. seriously rev was never mainly for boon, like for real..this is not pve..i had just as much success on rev as on my war which i’ve mained for so long
Since we’re going to pull the “you don’t play X class” card, I’m going to pull it on you:
“sure rev can be weak to condi mes” is a bit underwhelming don’t you think? More like condi-anything. Also, you act like revs have loads of energy to start with. Clearly you don’t play revenant……
Oh c’mon. I main Rev, the CD’s are low, energy costs are managed through one of the Revenant’s main mechanics – Energy Management. Yes, guess you forgot about that one.
I’ll admit some of the energy costs on some skills are quite high, but still, manageable. You’re talking like you don’t even know what the Revenant is about.
Just posting one sentence and expecting anyone to understand what you’re on about just shows how you know nothing.
You seem like you just wanna spam your way to victory. Revs could use some changes, but they’re still very viable in large scale WvW, just L2P, and quit whining, “useless” lol.
Sad OP.
I disagree with this. I think the energy costs are becoming unmanageable. You act as if Revs start out with 100 energy on top. If that was the case, then, yes, I’d agree with you, but as is, most of the time in WvW, I rarely have more than 50 energy. In fact, most of the time when I do use Shiro, it’s my secondary and I’ve just switched over to him. If you have to use PT, there’s 35 of that energy right there.
As I said before, if there’s going to be energy management, especially with increasingly higher costs, there needs to be no cooldowns at all.
Precision Strike: This skill no longer targets enemies using stealth effects.
Phase Traversal: The cost of this skill has been increased from 20 to 35.
Incoming personal opinion:
You gotta be freaking kidding me!!!! That’s a serious nerf to PT. If that’s what’s going to be done. Remove the freaking Cooldowns!!!
Come on Anet. Are you wanting to actually drive Revenant players away from the game?
I don’t think I’ve ever been so kittened off about a class balance before such as this, but this is a ridiculous nerf.
Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine
Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…
That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief
Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?
Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…
I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same
The healing is impressive indeed. So impressive that anyone without healing power would rather use sword
Just a quick few tips:
Sounds like you faced a glassy hammer/GS Medi Guardian, they have a nasty burst like that. Dodge that bubble ward first and foremost, that comes from the hammer and should have a telegraphed animation.
Also, learn to dodge that pull, it’s from GS#5.
You can try using Poison to mess up the healing, but more than likely he’ll have condi-cleanse.
You might want to consider changing to Sword/Shield and if you get caught anyways in the middle of the SpinToWin, use your Crystal Hibernation to block it all.
I can’t give you much advice on the DH other than what above stated. Avoiding that last arrow will help tremendously. You don’t really even have to waste a dodge on it. You can just walk away from it when you see the arrows hitting the ground.
IMO, I think Revenant is getting closer to a good spot in terms of balance. It just needs a lot number tweaks/QoL adjustments.
Fify.
I’m not sure I understand that. Sorry.
Well considering the number of unusable/bugged traits, legends and weapons saying a few is a understatement.
Oh okay. I just didn’t understand the term. I’m not up to date with the latest leet lingo/acronyms. Heck, I don’t even know what AFAIK means; just that it has something to do with “what I know”.
EDIT: Fify = fixed it for you. And I just saw the “fix” you made. Sorry, the coffee perk is slowing down finally.
CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief
