Guild Wars 2

everything have been better at aoe tagging then warrior in this game since release…

no exception for revenant..

Mirdave.2014:

Elites with no cooldown (with the exception of the energy cost)? Is this fair?

do you know what is a thief?

Roy Cronacher.1576:

…and this is why we showed all the things. Awesome job getting all the info dulfy.

but does it have greatsword tho?
please have greatsword
please be melee.

well, warrior did not get pull on release till now.
which i always thought it should from the beginning.

you know that actually pvp meta now is condi heavy right?

then what do you think about protection on dodge?

i wonder what they will do to warrior, give multiple stack of stability?
which is just simply nerf

or give more readily access.

Dirame.8521:

The rest of us get 100 to 0-ed already.

who the hell dies to a hambow now.

like god people still bring up hambow like it’s something useful, people can beat it without stability and people will do the same after stability change.

because PvP is a team game.
and team needs utility of a trickery thief.

and trickery steal is op.
26060 s/d is still the same, but people just run 20066 because trickery gives too much utilities and everything.

hybrid.5027:

Assassin X.8573:

hybrid.5027:

BlackTruth.6813:

P.S
Try to not listen to the whiners too, most of them are PvE noobs or just low mechanic players who have no idea how to build or never really took the time to improve.

Quotes like this are a good demonstration for why no one should listen to you.

Im not sure who either of you are but Black is correct. The majority of whining comes from those who don’t take the time to understand how to play the class or take the time to improve at playing in class.

Back when the adrenaline (what whiners call nerf and what us good warriors thought of as a 2 year fix to how the mechanic is supposed to work) change, about a handful of us called it plain as day, that the gap between terribad and great warriors would only become more transparent. Seems like black is on the side of great with us, but where do you stand hybrid?

I’m on the side that doesn’t label differing opinions “pve noobs” or “low mechanic players.” If the point he was making was so strong he wouldn’t need to use pejoratives to back it up.

exactly, i don’t even know why hes still here making dumb comments.
hes in almost every “rifle is lacking” thread, saying that people are noobs and can’t build for shet and says rifle has potential, while he failed epic-ally to realize “has potential” means exactly the same as “lacking in some way” and he also failed to demonstrate his build can do any better

I’ve created this short video to teach people in the forum how to DPS properly in PvP!
Shout out to Blacktruth for inspiring me on the build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfLcA1ECrUg

don’t hate, please.

Einlanzer.1627:

Simon.3794:

because rifle is a power weapon to begin with. so they removed bleed and buffed damage.

That’s not really a good response. Bleeding Shot was actually better than Fierce Shot. the 20% physical damage increase is not as potent as the bleed was by a significant margin. Not even really on a pure power-based build, but especially in general usage.

In short, Rifle really feels less usable than it used to. It seems like a silly change.

That was the reason why anet did it which OP asked.

Death Scythe.9738:

Another thing that bother me is that you can play good or bad , but I find my efficiency fluctuating according to my team (obvious fact on pvp) but what i mean is that is sometimes hard to secure kills by myself, fight again a necro or another warrior is so long, the longest fights that I never had

yes, it’s not one of the classes which you can carry your team to victory like engi, thief mesmer. because warriors damage are all telegraphed and hard to land.
and you can’t catch people because no matter you run gs+sword, if people just blink on higher platforms you simply can’t do anything let alone leaving soft CCs like chill and cripple which heavily affect warriors mobility

Death Scythe.9738:

What about the “new” Rifle/GS build ?

i would rather take a LB ranger instead of that if anything

Sorel.4870:

Is there some new infos on the revenant that I’m missing somehow?

lol ikr, wth is going on, people just talking for talking or is there actual info?

there are no viable build other then shoutbow,
that 5% of hambow is like non..and hambow is so weak now, it’s unreal.

you need to have greatsword on a heavy!

that’s like fact!

#idropcrateandafkandcamebackrealizedikilledtwopeople

Khisanth.2948:

Ruppeslang.5401:

Why would you need to switch weapons as an elementalist?
You have 16 active skills,30 if you use 3 elemental weapons as utility.

because I am about to fight something that reflects projectiles and I don’t want a bunch of stuff bouncing back in my face(or my allies). More of an issue with staff since scepter has fire/air and dagger has air/earth to avoid that.

or the reverse, some mobs I just don’t want to deal with in melee with D/D.

What, Staff are mostly AoEs, except auto attack.
and DD is never a melee weapon, it’s mid range with huge AoEs as well.

instead of transferring 4 times you should probably give them to your friends so they can transfer to your server lul

Lawful.5314:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Lawful.5314:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

It was never the worst class in the game.

About a year ago, or more, elementalist was the officially worst class in Guild Wars 2 for PvP and it was mediocre for PvE.

Only true loyalists would play it, that liked the mage class in general.

Is it good in PvP atm?

About a year ago, we were using FGS everywhere so the ele was king in PvE.
In pvp, the ele got a few well deserved nerfs because it was obviously too good, and after this it fell in line with other classes.
But yep, the general opinion of the public did not reflect the actual state of the class

Wasnt very “king” since we had to always use FGS to even compete with other classes, as for PvP, we were way too sqhishy for the low damage we had, best damage we had in PvP was the lightning hammer, if you could remotely come close to being able to hit anything with it.

i wasnt the best pvp player but it felt very harsh in PvP as elementalist ,literally anthing would kill me and i wouldnt deal enough damage and even PvE would kick me in the nuts solo, lol

you didn’t had to use FGS, people were using FGS because it was DPS god.
ele has been top DPS PvE since like what? 2 years? before that just people don’t know how to play it properly, i was saying ele does insane damage but nobody even want to blieve they were like nah, you jest, then later everyone knows how good it is without any big changes to the class.

it’s just as the overall skill of the community improve people find out of ele is actually way better in pve. one of reason why people think it sucked at the start too.

Solstice.1097:

you just want an early leg up so you can be da best >.<

edit: that being said… yea i want in too

lol me three

not to mention now mainly point hodlers are DD ele, when they are low and decide to run , you will never catch them not even with gs/sword, if they are any where close to half decent

unless you are thief.

only hope is your rifle reaches them and proc fire air.

tbh i wouldn’t run this over thief or mesmer at all.
s/d thief can stand on a point fairly long if timed good on dodges (sizer videos)

ranger maybe, but not thief mesmer, thief is just surperior as roamer role, because faster, easier to stay on weakened target, boon rip, etc.
mesmer is not as good as thief in terms of self mobility, survibility etc, but it brings good team mobility

these two are just way better dps ganker then any class in this game.

as a dps that has no condition removal you really want to stay range to volley and killshot, like mesmer.
which is why my build is more focused on rifle instead of melee. melee is often used to finish off with arcing slice or final thurst or when enemies are getting melee i would whirlwind to deal burst damage or combined with rush and open gap throw gs, and swap back to rifle. ( i think the video hundred noodle demonstrated well)

in my view of pvp, every one has roles, point holder like shoutheal dd bunker guard, roamers like thief mesmer, aoe damage pressure like engi and necros, each of them accelerate in each area and spec for it, why thief is used the most as roamer because it’s the best at it. a dps build is used to +1 fights and burst people fast and back cap, not to duel anyway, if you look at thieves and mesmers on WTS qualifier. a dps build should not spec more for point holding ability..that would only lower the ability as a dps gank then you end up being not as good at dps ganking and not as good at point holding (or end up being shoutheal, dd lol).
that being said, imo you shouldn’t even be thinking about standing on a point when building a dps gank build instead think about how you can maximize your ability as a dps gank roamer, in a organised team you should not be holding point anyway you should be doing plus 1 fights, bursting, backcapping, sure there are rare occasions but this comes down to your personal skill.

failed at the only job it’s supposed to be good at.

why not just make hundred noodles apply weakness to users so it can be even more useful.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ash ketchum.2051:

A thing they could do is introduce a new grandmaster-trait which makes killshot being able to be executed while moving. This should be in the Arms traitline.

Yeah i will definitely going to pick up a gm trait to enhance 1 ability. I hope you were joking

well, look at thief.
killshot while moving and farther reduce cast time
lul
0.5 cast time killshot, kaboom

you probably have better chance against them on your guardian.

it’s also fun just to dodge on enemy with rifle and proc both to down enemy unsuspectingly at melee range.

air fire is just surprior over all for zerker bursting classes.

you should be running away anyway if they are condi bombing or focusing you, so stamina is enough to clear all for you to disengage.

brawler’s for me, it feels like more sustained fight compare to what i think gs/rifle supposed to be, it has no actual significant use

but these are for me, probably because of my playstyle, probably reason why i also don’t run berserker stance unlike most of you, just don’t feel as efficient.

and as of bullcharge, i wouldn’t run bullcharge on build like this, you will be rifling anyway, unlike longbow which is more of melee range weapon, mainly why gs/lb use bullcharge imo, because it has no other source of CC setup.
either whirling attack or main damaging skill on GS needs CC setup, you have rampage and rifle butt or shield bash if you have shield. i would instead go signet of fury for more BP HF(15% damage crit chance is something i would love to have continusly) up time or endure pain for survive.

because rifle is a power weapon to begin with. so they removed bleed and buffed damage.

yes, either rifle/gs or rifle/s/sh imo.

unless you want to be not as useful.
as a zerker you probably want to get to the next fight as fast as possible to maximize your damage output and team support.

final thurst is pretty much the same as evis but has mobility, you will be rifling the guy to below half anyway and evis takes adrenaline (often just killshot/volley go in final thurst for another 7k so and enemy down)
and since you will probably not run endure pain. a block on offhand is nice have.

but recently i’ve being use gs instead. better cleave overall and faster travel and higher fury uptime

btw fire air on rifle, blood and energy on GS. force is not so great overall for bursting zerkers, and intelligence is not that great on multi hit weapon anyway, and you will spend most of it’s effect on volley most of the time.

and i still prefer healing signet over any other heal and imo condition will be your bigger enemy compare to power builds anyway, so healing signet and great fortitude is great choice imo.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQJARUjMd03ZhHmhwJagfgycAMANwpCX9b0GdBA-TpBFwACOCAI3foxFAYxDAoaZAAHCAA (re edited link

and i just don’t like rampage, too gimmick for my taste.

Sieg.8439:

Simon.3794:

Sieg.8439:

Marthkus.4615:

As far as I can tell the class only has problems on the forums, and not even on all of the forums. Just this one, where a few posters actively QQ on every thread.

In game and according to all the real people I talk with, Warriors are great.

This.

you literally agreed to one of the most casual celestial shoutheal PvE players.
i would run with only a sword and settler and called it great if im that casual.

Okay?
I agree that Warriors don’t have poor damage and have decent surviveability. They were nerfed, yes, but they’ve been the ideal for EVERY group for a very long time. When was the last time a group finder wanted loads of Necros? Rangers?
Never.
There’s a reason for that, and it’s because Warrior was strong and still is. Quit whining, it’s a game love. Take a breath.

there’s a reason for that it’s because warrior is noob/pug friendly, but since when should a game be balanced around noobs?
i can go pure melee on boss on my sword thief and i have a hard time meleeing the same boss on my warrior while i have 1000 more times spent on my warrior, how is that great survibility. you tell me.

Sieg.8439:

Ark.9586:

warriors have literally garbage DPS lol

…What? xD

are you whating yourself? where have you been? mars?
it’s common knowledge now that warrior does not do great damage.

if warrior does not have banner group buff, it would be swapped out instantly by almost any other class.

Sieg.8439:

Marthkus.4615:

As far as I can tell the class only has problems on the forums, and not even on all of the forums. Just this one, where a few posters actively QQ on every thread.

In game and according to all the real people I talk with, Warriors are great.

This.

you literally agreed to one of the most casual celestial shoutheal PvE players.
i would run with only a sword and settler and called it great if im that casual.

it’s like agreeing to a ranger for saying bearbow is completely awesome and great.
no, bearbow is not great nor awesome.

Kagamiku.9731:

The big difference is a guardian can go zerker medi and have enough heals/invulnerabilities/blocks to make it work. They also have ports on sword skill making it easier for them to combo skills…as well as smite condition which is pretty much guaranteed big damage. A zerker warrior just gets bursted and explodes to damage. Plus their big damage attacks are telegraphed as hell and require setting up if you plan on hitting a good player with them.

In-fact, I’m pretty sure warrior is the only class that sucks balls in zerker. Mediguard/Power Ranger/Power necro + Lich form/DP blind spamming thiefs/DF Fresh air ele/shatter mesmer…In zerker having the ability to block, evade attacks, blind spam, port, or attack from ranged while still doing extremely high damage…is far better than the extra HP.

Cookie cutter warrior builds still work, of course. But you’re either a shoutbow with subpar dps whose sole purpose is to support the team, or hambow that is carried by combustive shot’s fire field + cleansing ire proc and the CC from hammer.

Well said, it always bugged me how other classes defensive mechanics relies very little on actual states, dodges, blocks, invulnerability, blind spam, ports, AIs etc, protection on dodge? why not! i can run rabid ranger and be as hard to kill as any ptv warrior. while warrior depend heavily on toughness and vitality, which only lasts for so long. sure toughness and vitality will be way better with bunker spec with healing signet when everybodys bunker and deal little damage. but not as much in zerker at least with everybody doing insane damage since fire air patch

yes, point 2 is completely valid, greatsword skills are one of the most awesome skills in the game, final thurst is cool, longbow is awesome

why warrior is boring it’s because it’s utilities are insanely bad designed and not used as designed with a class which already does not have a lot of skills in one build, they tried to make warrior play more, but looks like they gave up on that path.

i would suggest you go fire air on rifle then leeching on gs.

i’ve been playing 62006 signet of fury, stamina, balance stance in pvp

it’s quiet fun, but only fun..

As far as i know, Nexon make every thing character bond, so you have to buy everything cash shop related and gear whenever you make a new character

they also release time gated classes and make new OP class like every 3 month so people will make new character and buy cash shop items.

and they are major pay to win with enchantment items in cash shop, and they are power creep in terms of balancing, before the launch high level character doing like 1000 damage, and 4 years later every rich kid will be doing 10m damage while normal players do around 10k damage.

and they made bosses so hard that normal player can not kill, but have to buy enchantment from cash shop, in order to kill the boss and get the best item drop, and it’s still shet item unless it’s enchanted with items from cash shop..

also nexon america is like 10 times worse then nexon korea, they make every cash shop skins cost kitten expansive and make them rental instead of permanent…like 5 dollars for a shirt for 30 days.

They moved BP and HF to grand master hoping to make the class more active and use their burst skill, did they success? no

They made adrenaline decay faster so people can actively build up adrenaline. ok

and while completely ignoring the fac that more then half of our utilities are actually spammed off CD spam or completely passive (even in PvP with shoutheal. the only skill that has decent play in it are stances.)

is that ok? it just kittens me so much.

xDudisx.5914:

I dont see where you want to get with this. If the class is viable and it is working as intended then what is the point of changing what is working just fine? Make a new OP class?

The class is simple by nature. If you don’t like you can go play engineer…

No, you think signets are designed by nature to be completely not used at all and passive?
you think shouts and banners are all just designed to be off CD spam and bundle skill to be so meh?
physical skills are skills that does not work on boss because CC with high CD and no damage. no actual uses-ability at all

these are just completely bad design and should be fixed.
either bad design or they just want to make the already not so existing warrior to play with 13 skills instead of 17

sucking can mean multiple things. boring, bad, underpowered, simple, uninteresting, lame, not bad kitten .

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Scoobaniec.9561:

xDudisx.5914:

Warrior is in a good spot.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are still good
For wvw sw+wh/hammer is still good.
For dungeons the banners are usefull.

In short;

For spvp shout bot
For pve banner bot

And btw shoutbow is by far the worse build i have seen. I dont even know how it can be meta. Such a junk build, ofc good for cleaning condi but thats about it. For that task ill pick up ele instead tho.

Were down to bot role. Indeed a good spot

Having banners is not bad. It is a reason for people to bring a warrior in a dungeon. The same way rangers have the frost spirit+spoter, guards have blocks,reflect etc… You cant just give warrior even more dps and make the content even easier than what it is now. You can’t make all classes have the highest dps, there will always exist some class that do less dmg.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are in a good spot. They are not faceroll like before the addrenaline and might nerf but they are also not underpowered.

My suggestion is instead of ask for buff for warriors ask for nerf for the other classes that you consider overpowered.

hambow is heavily underpowered, i can facetank and kill hambow without even getting HP to 75% on shoutheal

while shoutheal is so amazing at dueling like all the meta builds, it’s still have pretty big weakness and is only here because people are running cele engi and cele ele.

and i wouldnt care about viability if the class is actually fun in PvE.
banner, off CD spam, shout off CD spam, signet completely passive play, all physical are low damage and not even going to work on bosses, stances are also buff that just give you immunity changes nothing to your gameplay except awesome frenzy

warrior is already a simple class with less skills, but they just make majority of our utilities completely spamm passive fest with 0 plays, it’s called utility for a reason.

The passive play in pve is present in almost all the classes. It happens because of flaws in the dungeon bosses design. That probably wont change without several changes to boss mechanics. Not a problem with warrior itself.

I already know that passive play is present in all classes and i already know that there are skills like banner such as frost spirit

And? what does it make it counter my argument of every warrior utility is passive off CD spam and offers no proper plays.
It’s not the passive play is present in warrior, it’s warrior it’self is passive play, while other classes get to choose wether they want passive play or not without talking about meta.

Shouts and stances are not passive. Just because they are instacast doesn’t mean their are passive. Meditations and cantrips for example are also instacast and I don’t see people complaining about its play style. If you are not considering the meta then go play with physical utilities =)

Warrior is a simple class, but that is not a bad thing. Not all classes need to be like ele or engi.

…why do people these days simply can’t read, i did said shouts are off CD spam, and stances are buffs that offers no actual plays and selfish(except in PvP) …(stance is like the only about good skill but still boring for it’s effect except frenzy)and i said nothing about insta cast, because there are a lot of interesting skills that are insta cast, i don’t really need you to teach me that…

it’s just like people read half part of the comment and assume w/e and say w/e they want.

god i had enough of this, next time you people see me not responding to some one, that means that guy is not reading at all or not making any sense. now make it clear.

Except they are NOT off-cooldown spam either. Or do you run around using balance stance for no reason?

People here QQing about warrior been underpowered and yet we see at least 1 warrior in almost every spvp team comp. In pve unless Anet completely nerf banners to the ground warriors will still be viable. In wvw they have flurry and warhorn converting condis, aoe shout heal, etc… Not to mention the very high base hp and armor….

I’m talking about PvE here….i would really like to separate these game modes when it comes to class design and balancing.

and again you did not read at all, i never said anything about stance being off CD psma.

and you are not reading again bout the PvE part, we already know that warrior will always be viable with banner, and?…..not sure the point of saying that..or is it any thing related to the topic…. :|

and i was not complaining about it being unviable or underpowered, you are clearly mixing me with some body else or something..

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Scoobaniec.9561:

xDudisx.5914:

Warrior is in a good spot.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are still good
For wvw sw+wh/hammer is still good.
For dungeons the banners are usefull.

In short;

For spvp shout bot
For pve banner bot

And btw shoutbow is by far the worse build i have seen. I dont even know how it can be meta. Such a junk build, ofc good for cleaning condi but thats about it. For that task ill pick up ele instead tho.

Were down to bot role. Indeed a good spot

Having banners is not bad. It is a reason for people to bring a warrior in a dungeon. The same way rangers have the frost spirit+spoter, guards have blocks,reflect etc… You cant just give warrior even more dps and make the content even easier than what it is now. You can’t make all classes have the highest dps, there will always exist some class that do less dmg.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are in a good spot. They are not faceroll like before the addrenaline and might nerf but they are also not underpowered.

My suggestion is instead of ask for buff for warriors ask for nerf for the other classes that you consider overpowered.

hambow is heavily underpowered, i can facetank and kill hambow without even getting HP to 75% on shoutheal

while shoutheal is so amazing at dueling like all the meta builds, it’s still have pretty big weakness and is only here because people are running cele engi and cele ele.

and i wouldnt care about viability if the class is actually fun in PvE.
banner, off CD spam, shout off CD spam, signet completely passive play, all physical are low damage and not even going to work on bosses, stances are also buff that just give you immunity changes nothing to your gameplay except awesome frenzy

warrior is already a simple class with less skills, but they just make majority of our utilities completely spamm passive fest with 0 plays, it’s called utility for a reason.

The passive play in pve is present in almost all the classes. It happens because of flaws in the dungeon bosses design. That probably wont change without several changes to boss mechanics. Not a problem with warrior itself.

I already know that passive play is present in all classes and i already know that there are skills like banner such as frost spirit

And? what does it make it counter my argument of every warrior utility is passive off CD spam and offers no proper plays.
It’s not the passive play is present in warrior, it’s warrior it’self is passive play, while other classes get to choose wether they want passive play or not without talking about meta.

Shouts and stances are not passive. Just because they are instacast doesn’t mean their are passive. Meditations and cantrips for example are also instacast and I don’t see people complaining about its play style. If you are not considering the meta then go play with physical utilities =)

Warrior is a simple class, but that is not a bad thing. Not all classes need to be like ele or engi.

you did not read any of the comments i made, did you.

next time you people see me not responding that will be the guy whos not reading at all or just simply not making sense, just making it clear here.

man people just like to read a small part and assume the rest and imagine other things out of no where.

you simply can’t a thief that’s playing for defensive you can’t kill him.
unless he got greedy and wanted the kill then you may have chance of killing him specially in WvW where people just run SA and stuff.

This class can be pretty limited in PvE, it’s boring, passive, offers no play but buffs
i found it the moment when i just got 80 back in early 2013 and started doing CoF

reason why i don’t PvE as much on warrior because it’s so boring, i would rather go on my ele engi or thief even ranger can be more fun cuz some times i just feel lazy and don’t feel like going up face and dodge actively so pew pew pew can be fun, but i don’t pve at all generally, when i do it’s fotm and i only have good enough gear on my warrior, so kitten.

PvP is generally reaction to your enemy, know your enemy anyway, so it’s always interesting. but you can’t pull off some cool tricks or wow moment other classes can/have potential to.

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

Scoobaniec.9561:

xDudisx.5914:

Warrior is in a good spot.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are still good
For wvw sw+wh/hammer is still good.
For dungeons the banners are usefull.

In short;

For spvp shout bot
For pve banner bot

And btw shoutbow is by far the worse build i have seen. I dont even know how it can be meta. Such a junk build, ofc good for cleaning condi but thats about it. For that task ill pick up ele instead tho.

Were down to bot role. Indeed a good spot

Having banners is not bad. It is a reason for people to bring a warrior in a dungeon. The same way rangers have the frost spirit+spoter, guards have blocks,reflect etc… You cant just give warrior even more dps and make the content even easier than what it is now. You can’t make all classes have the highest dps, there will always exist some class that do less dmg.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are in a good spot. They are not faceroll like before the addrenaline and might nerf but they are also not underpowered.

My suggestion is instead of ask for buff for warriors ask for nerf for the other classes that you consider overpowered.

hambow is heavily underpowered, i can facetank and kill hambow without even getting HP to 75% on shoutheal

while shoutheal is so amazing at dueling like all the meta builds, it’s still have pretty big weakness and is only here because people are running cele engi and cele ele.

and i wouldnt care about viability if the class is actually fun in PvE.
banner, off CD spam, shout off CD spam, signet completely passive play, all physical are low damage and not even going to work on bosses, stances are also buff that just give you immunity changes nothing to your gameplay except awesome frenzy

warrior is already a simple class with less skills, but they just make majority of our utilities completely spamm passive fest with 0 plays, it’s called utility for a reason.

The passive play in pve is present in almost all the classes. It happens because of flaws in the dungeon bosses design. That probably wont change without several changes to boss mechanics. Not a problem with warrior itself.

I already know that passive play is present in all classes and i already know that there are skills like banner such as frost spirit

And? what does it make it counter my argument of every warrior utility is passive off CD spam and offers no proper plays.
It’s not the passive play is present in warrior, it’s warrior it’self is passive play, while other classes get to choose wether they want passive play or not without talking about meta.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Simon.3794:

while shoutheal is so amazing at dueling

Thats why all of them dying to my pewpew. Now i understand. My pewpew is godlike. Fear me nubs!

shoutheal is amazing duel build compare to almost every warrior build ever existed other then mace/sword lb. not talking about other classes. after all, shoutheal is just a mini version of dd ele.

not commenting untill i see the whole map lay out and actual usage of treb and if its effective or not.

personally i would love to treb if it actually has a great out come and depend on your instinct.

xDudisx.5914:

Scoobaniec.9561:

xDudisx.5914:

Warrior is in a good spot.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are still good
For wvw sw+wh/hammer is still good.
For dungeons the banners are usefull.

In short;

For spvp shout bot
For pve banner bot

And btw shoutbow is by far the worse build i have seen. I dont even know how it can be meta. Such a junk build, ofc good for cleaning condi but thats about it. For that task ill pick up ele instead tho.

Were down to bot role. Indeed a good spot

Having banners is not bad. It is a reason for people to bring a warrior in a dungeon. The same way rangers have the frost spirit+spoter, guards have blocks,reflect etc… You cant just give warrior even more dps and make the content even easier than what it is now. You can’t make all classes have the highest dps, there will always exist some class that do less dmg.

For spvp shoutbow and hambow are in a good spot. They are not faceroll like before the addrenaline and might nerf but they are also not underpowered.

My suggestion is instead of ask for buff for warriors ask for nerf for the other classes that you consider overpowered.

hambow is heavily underpowered, i can facetank and kill hambow without even getting HP to 75% on shoutheal

while shoutheal is so amazing at dueling like all the meta builds, it’s still have pretty big weakness and is only here because people are running cele engi and cele ele.

and i wouldnt care about viability if the class is actually fun in PvE.
banner, off CD spam, shout off CD spam, signet completely passive play, all physical are low damage and not even going to work on bosses, stances are also buff that just give you immunity changes nothing to your gameplay except awesome frenzy

warrior is already a simple class with less skills, but they just make majority of our utilities completely spamm passive fest with 0 plays, it’s called utility for a reason.

THuGaNoMiX.5036:

I run Doom and Goemancy on my Longbow

I just don’t see 2 might stack being better than 10% damage increase on 100% criticals. The 10% has to be higher. I would say 80% of the time my opponent is knocked down or stunned when I use my high damage hammer skills.

sigil battle can give you up to 6 might which is 180 power and condition damage which sync with longbow burning and bleed.
while impact is only slightly damage increase which can go unnoticed.
the normal hammer combo, you oftenly won’t use level 3 earthshaker as in you will be using combustive shot, so the stun will not last for you to follow high damage combo for the bonus to proc.

and hammer 4 is actually knock back not knock down.

BlackTruth.6813:

Warrior isn’t simple unless it’s shoutbow really.

Go play Guardian or Ranger, those are probably the easiest classes to start with.

i woudln’t call shoutbow easy, it’s just as easy as hambow or any other build to pick up.
but it definitely has one of the highest skill cap warrior has ever gotten.
the counter plays and easy instant damage it can pull out is just crazy, it reminds me of other classes.

impact is still too little to matter, i remember trying impact the damage increase is slightly.

Yea,it’s funny because he just leads the argument from celestial to game history to how spirit ranger is op and have worse English then i do and he also admits that hes PvE.

after a tons of arguing, finally, i found out that hes kitten because i called ele “god tiers for ages”, but instead he thinks they are OP tier, so now i officially change the word from god to OP tier. and hes officially happy now.

thank jesus. no more responding to this dude and non warrior comments in this section.