Guild Wars 2

if they add runes like use physical skill remove condition i bet it would be more fun

Nephrite.6954:

zinkz.7045:

Nephrite.6954:

I would love to see other classes to be “balanced” like the thief but that wouldn’t be fair now would it?

You mean every class should have been balanced so they would have had a spot in nearly every decent PvP team over the entire 2.5 years of the game, I’m sure most would love that…

Most won’t unfortunately.

Wrong, most with a brain will love that fortunately.

I don’t see anyone being unhappy for being able to always be viable and good and in the meta and always be picked by teams. i guess only masochism.

ele is indeed OP.
it’s proved and accepted by everyone even by ele themselves i assume.

not sure whats the point of this

PD is superior in dueling compare to SB, SB is a tpvp weapon.

thing is be good at tpvp takes way more compare to be good at dueling.

dueling in this game is just lol especially in wvw
main reason why kronos better at stealth stacking, because as a thief in a duel wvw, you abuse stealth more better chance you win
in tpvp is completely different and have more factor in winning.

lol, warrior does lack a one handed range weapon, but……….pistol?… no love for that.
because they never give warrior any flashy, crazy skills, and rifle already has killshot so you will mostly likely see skills like
unload (rapid fire, volley)
fire a shot to cripple enemy,
fire a shot to evade back
fire a shot to apply vulnerability
fire a shot to gain fury

Here ill give you what i think good for now

f1, dush step, same animation as rush from warrior, but right after you start rushing, you shadowstep to enemy and do the same updraft animation and rip 2 boon (not only it looks cool, but more counter able lal)

1 normal swing like guardian war ranger, gives might on 2nd hit, weaknekittend
(stealth attack, apply 10 vulnerability and blind from behind)
2 hundred bladdddddes with evade frame
3 2 phased skill, deathblossom like back evade (goes over enemy) but faster, then whirling attaccccckkk leaving a blind field behind
4 2 phased skill, throw greatsword apply cripple, then shadowstep to said enemy
5 (idk now, i’m just throwing random crazy idea for 5th skill) jump to the air and smash down for blast finisher and aoe knock down? like earthshaker lol

yeeeeee, gs thief and ill be done with my war

either that or revenant, see how that works

btw need hundred blades with evade frame.

and make backflip two phase skill, first phase backflip then second phase whirling attack booom

thats pretty much a bunker war you are looking for

tho bunker war is even less viable compare to bunker guardian which is also not viable at the moment.

which would be

20660, S/wh mace/shield, banner, fear me, stab, warbanner, cleric amulet, healing sigils and life sigil, runes of mercy.

you can lock down some one for farily long if you chain your CC and immo.

basically you just stay on point, try not to die, CC target, cleans condition for your ally, fear me to interrupt heals, stomps etc, and rez people.

healing support i suppose

TBH, it doesnt really matter, first thieve owns builds that do not possess chill mostly, and builds that have chill kill thieves anyway mostly.

so it doesnt really matter, lol

Liewec.2896:

its a shame that warriors get so many good healing skills which none of us will ever use because signet is just so dam good!

offer a ranger Mending and i bet they’d leap at the idea of a 20 second, moderate heal that also removes 3 condis,
offer defiant stance to a guardian, the ability to convert all incoming damage to healing (just as Mark of Protection did in GW1) and many would take it.

i often think that Defiant Stance and Litany of Wrath were given to the wrong classes,
healing yourself for a percentage of damage dealt seems so much like a zerker warrior skill.
Defiant stance should have been Mark of Protection, a monk skill from GW1 which functions the same, guardians have lots of GW1 monk skills.
Litany should have been named Warriors Endurance and given to warrior.

i’ve gone off on a total tangent now haven’t I? XD
back on subject, yep healing signet is one of the best heals in the game, it outheals pretty much every other heal and you don’t even need to activate it

Try using mending or healing surge on warrior in any serious play and see your self destroyed.
Sure by logic, Healing surge(10k+ HP with 30 CD) or Mending (5k+ hp 3 condi with 20 CD) should be the one hell of a healing skill , but that’s not the case in balancing.

Warrior were never viable in tPvP scene, ever. before healing signet buff.

It’s like saying warrior will definitly love the idea of having protection on dodge, and warrior will be insanely good.
or having 1500 range hundred blade warrior will be god like.

it just doesn’t work that way.

And you wouldn’t want defiance stance at all, i’m not sure why would you want that kitten skill, except it sounds more guardian like and litany sounds more warrior like.

the fact is, any enemy with a brain will stop attack the moment they see your stance up, it has a kittenty base heal with 35 CD and in the meta were big number doesnt exist but continusly applied small damage, this healing is just complete kitten.

AND also, healing signet is not the best healing skill in game, it’s the best warrior healing skill in game, best healing skill game in game is called healing turret.

Yes, engineers and ele both have superior skills functionality then a lot of classes.
but terrormancers kill them in some way

like mesmers have insane kitting abilities.
but thieves kill mesmers because thieves have insane gap closers.

Now please fix bull rush as well.

thanks.

About your 3 point

no, actually, s/d build have both evade and stealth with SR and CnD it’s pretty high up time.

While D/p, it’s more of stealth + blind spam as defensive mechanics instead of stealth alone.

yes we need, please thank you in pvp at least.

this Ready Up sux

psizone.8437:

Simon.3794:

IKR, the moment i heard of the expansion i thought “dude they should have release it NOW” like they should have developped one year ago or months ago.
it’s like we are all already tired of the existing content now.

like another 7-9 months of die down. gg

They have been developing it for at last a year, perhaps longer.

It’s unlikely that it’ll release much longer than 4-5 months considering the living story (their main game feature) will be on hold until the expansion pack releases.

I mean like “annoncement” if you know what i mean, usally takes 7-9 months from the first annoncement to release a exp if not 4-5 months at least.

like FF14 they revealed their first exp almost 1 year ago and they are about to release it recently..

IKR, the moment i heard of the expansion i thought “dude they should have release it NOW” like they should have developped one year ago or months ago.
it’s like we are all already tired of the existing content now.

like another 7-9 months of die down. gg

yes it is the best heal, other heals you can use it for fun, but don’t expect much from them.

i even use it with 60006 yolo builds, not to mention the gs/lb build which i used the most 40406

because mesmers simply have too much kitting ability for a warrior to win without node advantage, thief shuts down mesmer, because thieves have a good amount of insta gap closer to counter mesmers kitting.

in simple 1v1 not on node, mesmers can blink up to platforms that’s simply more then just 1200 because you have to go around and find stairs or jump up etc.

does moa remove spirit weapons tho

Saving some looks

Marthkus.4615:

Simon.3794:

Marthkus.4615:

People keep calling warriors bad with zero evidence or logical reasoning.

and tbh do you even read the forums?

Yes. This statement is address to the bulk of QQing that has no basis in fact.

“That one build that I think is the only possible build to play got nerfed a little. Warrior must be DEAD!”

You just proved that you don’t read and don’t understand what “bad” means so no point in furthering the conversation as your warrior and game experience is so little to understand.

really, as a celestial war with sword/shield set up, i doubt you have any decent accomplishment nor exp in this game to be commenting on sensitive subjects like this.

Broski.6209:

Simon.3794:

Broski.6209:

In my opinion, the warrior is still a fun and viable class for sPvP. I recently started playing again after hearing about the HoT expansion, not having played for about 7-8 months.
I’ve messed around with a few of the builds I used to play and still find them to perform well, despite what others have said.

Builds I’ve tried so far:
GS/Hammer
GS/Axe+Shield
GS/Axe+Warhorn
GS/Rifle

All perform well, depends on team compositions and your overall playstyle I’d assume.
All in all, don’t believe everything you hear, try it for yourself and see how it goes.

:)

Every build can perform “well” in an instant……….
i can play with only longbow naked and still do decent, because this game is just that casual, but at top level, that’s not viable and is where the game should be balanced around.

at least for pvp area that is.

You’re not a top level player, and neither am I. Guess that means neither of us should be making opinion based on balance huh?

I’m not top player, but i’m above avg at least being able to reach top 100 easily in the previous leaderboard and being better then 95% of the PvP population, having thousands of games played, being able to do well with only longbow and naked in casual game Qs, and have a decent amount of time on most classes.
making me understand more of the PvP, team structure, roles and meta.

and i’ve played every single build you’ve listed and recently being playing 60026 gs/axe mace, i know what your “well” means because i’m pretty confident at warrior as a long time warrior. and your “well” is basically the same as my “well” of longbow only and naked “well”. probably slightly better but that’s it.

TheReaperTheFourthHorsemen.7894:

thief is getting rifle i can confirm, rewatched the trailer 5 times or so noticed something in the mursaat meeting scene

the norn is obviously a thief, wouldn’t make much sense to have 2 the same profession in the trailer when you show one every other class

Well, theres 10 people there, and lets counting the new profession, theres only 9 profession so :P

yes i would love a shot gun too, but wouldn’t that be what a dagger do?

Marthkus.4615:

DPS is not everything.

Warriors still hit like a truck.

Your comment is so controversy…

DPS is not everything, yet you still throwing argument like warrior still hit like a truck

first of all, warrior hit like wet noodle
second of all, that’s only PvE side of things.
while in PvP it’s completely a different thing, as you said, DPS is not everything. warrior lacks in other things.

Broski.6209:

In my opinion, the warrior is still a fun and viable class for sPvP. I recently started playing again after hearing about the HoT expansion, not having played for about 7-8 months.
I’ve messed around with a few of the builds I used to play and still find them to perform well, despite what others have said.

Builds I’ve tried so far:
GS/Hammer
GS/Axe+Shield
GS/Axe+Warhorn
GS/Rifle

All perform well, depends on team compositions and your overall playstyle I’d assume.
All in all, don’t believe everything you hear, try it for yourself and see how it goes.

:)

Every build can perform “well” in an instant……….
i can play with only longbow naked and still do decent, because this game is just that casual, but at top level, that’s not viable and is where the game should be balanced around.

at least for pvp area that is.

Marthkus.4615:

People keep calling warriors bad with zero evidence or logical reasoning.

and tbh do you even read the forums?

Condition or hybrid is your best chance

or zerker gs war, but it takes some skills to use that.

If you only plan to duel any of them.

best bet is you can’t win if they decide to kit you and they are actually good.
you have a winning chance against shatter, lockdown will be abit more difficult and condi will be really difficult.

since most mesmer builds are weak against condition except for some aids condi build.

and about builds, shoutheal have a decent chance win against them more then most other war builds.

instead of rifle, i would love
to get

GREATSWORD THIEF

HAHAH, come one anet.

i wouldn’t have high hope on rifle thief
because (pve)
melee will always be better dps, range will always be bad dps, samething even with ranger.
and you don’t need 1200 most of the time

(pvp)
shortbow will still be better, single target ranged weapon arent gonna be that good, look at rifle war, lb ranger barely in the meta except owning noobs, etc.

and i wouldn’t except for it to be good or at least no better then ranger lb in any means as how many disengage thief has and thief is more made for mid to close range combat. same level as a war rifle perhaps?

and about sniper, it wouldn’t exist, because they will never allow for one shot kill at least not with thief who have stealth and blinks, look at killshot. it will just be bad skills overall.

So you can’t deny the fact that cleansing ire saved warrior.

so if you have any good suggestion that would free warrior from this set up

just like how cleansing ire saved warrior from being completely unviable

go ahead, post it, there’s no point of continue arguing in this subjet

Scoobaniec.9561:

Yeah it was called diversity. Now what? Hambow, shoutbow, kittenbow, f..u..bow. Anything else has no place in spvp in current state if you want to be competitive.

before without cleansing ire, you wouldn’t even exist.
let alone talking about diversity.
and cleansing ire is only one of the reason why long bow is so good in a point based game.
like i said people started to use longbow+melee weapon before cleansing ire even existed.

Yeah it was called diversity
you aren’t even viable before, how can you talk about diversity when there’s only free kills.

yes you said Anything else has no place in spvp in current state if you want to be competitive at least it’s only one set of weapon to be viable compare to be not viable at all. it’s like sb for thief and staff for necro.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Simon.3794:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Simon.3794:

Just so you know the idea of this trait Cleansing ire that made warrior viable in PvP

was from the complaints in this forum.

And forced everyone to wear bow as secondary cus someone wanted to fix this class by traits. For me cleansing ire should be f2. My opinion wont change at this point. We had a lot of nerfs due to cleansing ire.

People using longbow before cleansing ire because of point based pvp game and aoe burning with utilities and damage
And no, it did not force everyone to wear longbow, it opens up a path for warrior to take in order to be finally viable in PvP after a long time being completely unviable, you wouldnt even see one warrior in 10 matches at that time. sure it was not the perfect solution but nobody came up with something better.

Actually youre wrong. We had builds that never touched range weapon to begin with – skullcrack build was one of them before they even buffed it as i suggested to make it 3 sec. Another one was gs/axe+shield and so on. Now every build that comes as “meta” has longbow to have a reliable source of condi clean.

We also had a lot of good ideas in the forum but all these people left already as they dont want to bother (i dont either) with this crap anymore and people in this forum. Look around. Its by far the most toxic section in this forum.

When ppl asked to rework hb to make it mobile answers always been like;

-Hb is fine l2p.
-No hb would be op if it was mobile
-Its high risk high reward skill, if you dont like it and you dont want to carry offset to support it they change weapon as gs might not be for you.

And so on..

Really have fun with people like that. Were down to the point where you can channel hb and ppl will do /laugh in your face as they not olny can facetank it, they can even outdps you during that time. Yet guardian with MOBILE whirl melding ppl in seconds. I wont blame devs at this point. Whole warrior community has to be blamed as its your fault for the current state of warrior.. So at some point OP is right actually.

No, i’m not wrong, people started to use more gs/lb then gs/axe before cleansing ire ever existed.
and you still can’t deny the fact that cleansing ire made free kill un viable warrior viable again.

so i really don’t see your arguments against me nor the reason behind it.

also off topic to greatsword side: it’s not like making HB mobile will make warrior any more viable without cleansing ire.
and i wouldn’t say making HB mobile a great suggestion as a long time gs fan.

if you really want to play, get an offhand axe it’s basically the same thing except it can move.

what i would really suggest to GS is having proper boon hate/removal mechanics.
one of the main reason people can facetank it other then warrior itself is protection.

I don’t like foefire because

It’s really a flat map with no interesting stuff
it’s bunker favored.

lord rush is rarely in the play.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Simon.3794:

Just so you know the idea of this trait Cleansing ire that made warrior viable in PvP

was from the complaints in this forum.

And forced everyone to wear bow as secondary cus someone wanted to fix this class by traits. For me cleansing ire should be f2. My opinion wont change at this point. We had a lot of nerfs due to cleansing ire.

People using longbow before cleansing ire because of point based pvp game and aoe burning with utilities and damage
And no, it did not force everyone to wear longbow, it opens up a path for warrior to take in order to be finally viable in PvP after a long time being completely unviable, you wouldnt even see one warrior in 10 matches at that time. sure it was not the perfect solution but nobody came up with something better.

get sigil of fire and air and you will see where exactly they are when you hit them

in PvE you can switch to w/e you want depend on situation
i don’t suggest sticking with only one set.

BurrTheKing.8571:

What annoys me is that rather than fixing the animation, they just sped it up. It looks odd.

i think they just changed to how RTL works.
without cast time and all that.

there’s no cast time, so the end animation became a part of rushing so some times you will see it speed up or no animation at all because you already reach the enemy and the skill should be done by then.

and since there’s no cast time, you are not necessarily to run for 1 second even you are in the face of your enemy, so you can execute the skill right away instead.
so i actually like the new rush as it’s fast and hit decent amount of time and work similar like RTL.

Just so you know the idea of this trait Cleansing ire that made warrior viable in PvP

was from the complaints in this forum.

BlackTruth.6813:

Might focused? Sigh. People are too accustomed to “Shout-bow” being a balance indicator. Even that spec is still very useful because guess what? They never touched Soldier runes or nerfed the healing on it.

Sign, accustomed to Shout bow being balance indicator?
Why would you think that way?
I did not post this thread based on shoutheal only
nor Hambow if you know what it is ( tip: it stacks might too)
and i’m not even talking about PvE, because that’s too obvious

BlackTruth.6813:

If you’re talking about GS, I don’t understand why you think this weapon is about stacking might to be effective. It’s actually about repositioning.

and? You don’t only gain might from might stacking. With gs/lb(40406 serious build, not counting rune) you can basically have around 10 might if you simply have your elite up and weapon swap(from versatile power) like you are supposed to while might stacking with Longbow during rotation and repositioning. that’s 350 power right there (pre nerf)

BlackTruth.6813:

Most DPS builds aren’t about might, it’s about forcing people’s cool downs and dodges.

you simply denied hambow and the reason of using Signet of Rage in almost every build since 2012

BlackTruth.6813:

If you have to rely on might to be effective on Warrior, then you have to re-roll. There is no hope for you at this point if you’re blaming the might nerf because you can’t make Warrior work.

I can make zerker warrior work with only main hand sword and naked in hotjoin yoloq yolotq.

BlackTruth.6813:

I’m just glad Warrior is back to where it was and I may be delusional when I say this but: You shouldn’t touch Warrior if you aren’t good enough with simple math and mechanics.

Like when exactly are you talking about?
late 2012? early 2013? late 2013? 2014?

BlackTruth.6813:

If anything it’s the class that relies the least on boons and is a lot stronger with it because Warrior actually has a lot of raw power. I’ll let you people figure out why.

Yes, warrior have less acces to alot of boon but it never ran out of might that’s for sure.

side note for you:
and raw power doesnt make a build, i can killshot lights for 11k+ without a single might with 60006, so im viable and op now? no.

just because you use a gimmick yolo build doesn’t mean serious warrior builds are not might based.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Simon.3794:

Purple Miku.7032:

But warriors suffer the most along with elementalists, as they rely most heavily on might. All classes were hit harder than even the ferocity patch but it’s abundantly clear that warriors were hit harder than most other classes from it.

yes, if people actually pay attention and play multiple classes
they will notice how might focused is warrior.

My engineer would like a word with you.

Engineer as a class is no where might focused
i think i did mentioned class not build and i did said "exception of builds)
Few example, Rabid Balth engi, do they blast their fire field? rarely, like 3 might, 6 for max.
And Cele engi? They don’t even blast fields, they only use sigil of battle, and chaith said that he can easily replace that for something else and still be good without might.

Almost every classes can build to focus might if they want to, but warrior can not simply unfocus might.

Purple Miku.7032:

But warriors suffer the most along with elementalists, as they rely most heavily on might. All classes were hit harder than even the ferocity patch but it’s abundantly clear that warriors were hit harder than most other classes from it.

yes, if people actually pay attention and play multiple classes
they will notice how might focused is warrior.

Crash.5362:

Yeah, the might nerf is kinda yet another bit of a hit against Warriors.

But there are many other classes that also rely heavilly on might. I wouldnt say it was a “lets nerf warriors even more” deal.

Warrior is more might heavy then any other classes (not talking about specific builds)
And is balanced around having that amount of original might (like hambow, etc)

This is basically nerfed because they don’t care about warrior at all
Was Might nerfed when Hambow was OP and crashing everybody with 25 stack of might? NO, they nerfed hard to hambow and warrior

Now did they nerf Engi and Ele? Minor nerf to ele and no nerf to rifle engi and they decide to nerf Might instead, while rifle Engi isnt even that might heavy.

Signet of Rage nerfed
Because of Might Nerf

Forceful Greatsword nerfed
because of might nerf

Versatil Power nerfed
because of might nerf

Longbow nerfed
because of might nerf

Every single PvP build will have close to around 10 mights so nerfed (might is a really important part of warrior)
because of might nerf

Hambow while being already nerfed around having orignal 25 stack of might nerfed
hello devs.

it seems like the only 10% arcing slice was there just to compensate for the might nerf.

minor nerf to ele
no nerf to rifle engi

might nerf for everybody
gg wp.

hambow hits even more like a wet noodle now.

Forceful Greatsword, Signet of Rage, Versatile Power nerfed for no reason.

Hello devs.

Lol i was using rifle zerker before patch for fun
when the patch hit, i can’t even notice the difference between the old and new killshot and brutal shot….:(

Darkwood.6781:

Serdoc.7261:

I say just play multiple professions! I got a warrior, guardian, ranger, and necromancer all at 80, and they are all fun to play.

I think GW 2 is the type of game you don’t want to focus too much on 1 profession, at least IMO.

This +1.

Playing one profession for too long just seems to get you into a rut. I started with a Mesmer, switched to a Necro, and now I’m playing a warrior (and enjoying it immensely).

Additionally, there’s a heavy cost involved with shaking up your build (in time or gold), so switching feels less viable the more you invest in your toon. Which also contributes to feeling bored. Unfortunately, I tried to change up my Mesmer build, but it really backfired (along with using up quite a bit of resources), and now I don’t want to play him at all.

I always played a lot of classes, thief engi, ele mainly in decent tPvP level more ranger lately (cuz fun) then some times necro and mesmer if i feel like it.
but i always dedicated to warrior the most and remain my favorite class

flying hamturrs

yolo swaggins.2570:

Simon.3794:

doesnt matter because warrior is #mostnerfedclass2014

Good. They have one more year to go and they’ll be on par with thief.

not even close, warrior was completely out of the PvP meta for more then half a year in 2013
has thief ever been out of any meta at all? non