Guild Wars 2

so this is a complaint thread about thieves? or one about how few play wvw on your server?

this is why we have mods

If people are away or disconnect or simply refuse to play even if theyve marked themselves ready, then theres little arena net can do about that, Even League of Legends til now, teams have people who are Afk, not to mention the trolls, feeders and griefers, they are even more impactful since Lol games can last at least 20minutes, there are ways to help mitigate or discourage/punish behavior, but in the end its the player who plays, if their in the game and they dont then its gg

on a side note I think afks are only 5-10% of my games, I have days that I dont get any, so I dont think a sweeping statement is a good description.

whats the point of posting an I quit thread if it includes “Might come back” if youre gunna leave then leave and for good, stay true to what you supposedly feel and say, dont say your actions are subject to change, youre like a immature child

take a look at this guys signature and then decide whether you wanna feed this thread or not

please come out and fight, please for the love of god

do you vote?……

this topic has already been answered several times, use the search function or click Devon Carters name to find the quote or explaination, in fact you dont even need an actual answer rather an objective look at the 1 up and 1 down system

Lord Kuru.3685:

Krakah.3582:

Causation does not equal correlation, your claim is flawed in so many ways.

My random claim. Selling skins on the gem store makes far more money than transfers ever could in a year, thus WvW doesn’t get attention.

It makes sense to speculate the ulterior motives of Anet when they implement an idea as terrible as the Leagues.

Lord Kudzus Falacies lose him all his credibility

Ostra.3927:

Ahh that is sweet Spehss.. I like my signature too.

Now get out of the stacked server or your opinion is a little.. skewed.

oh the irony

youre prolly the reason why many of your guilds left your server, in the end wvw will be better and your whining will be lost, hurry up and make an “I quit thread”

nice Signatures Btw Ostra, very classy

Beating a dead horse, please fix the Unbelievable lag right now, please Arena net pelase, Its unplayable, literrally unplayable, we are getting golem rushed as we speak, We cant do anything

everyone is experiencing some form of lag in wvw mostly consisting of rubber banding and delay and lag but recently were receiving terrible lag making everything look like its in limbo, nobody is making any distance and blinking in location, dozens are constantly Dcing and after I dced the game turned upside down into a seizure induction green/yellow after shot glare

If people wanna leave your server for whatever reason they will leave and you cannot stop it. let alone blame anet, and a servers ability to wvw diminishing does not “destroy” a server

Straight out of the Lol/Sc2 forums, I hope you get your well deserved forum infraction/suspension

Support from Hundreds of Veteran players?
Excuse me?

youre 3rd bullet makes me think you are not thinking rationally, but the for the 1st anet stated they will wait and see how the first season will go, but most likely will continue with Seasons while making changes they feel appropriate. the 2nd im not so sure, I remember reading somewhere that will happen immediately after, once again, nothing is ever set in stone

times like this is when a forum account ban is justified

woah, this post feels very familiar..

True Korean mmo? this post sounds and taste like a bait post for more ascended gear QQ, at least post it on the threads that are already existing, there are already a bunch of “I came back to this game, its different, I didnt buy, I bought for… etc etc” just add your feelings there

who in the world are you talking to? .__.

Ragnar.4257:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

In what sense is it more accessible?

because it doesnt add to the quees of Ebg as well as having the wps and portals that allow you to go in and out

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

why would arena net or any gaming company give credit to such a thing with a response ._. that would only encourage more people to make more stuff like this, imagine if more people found dontains videos, my god the spam on the forums

Perception =/= Reality, go to the pvp forums and post this topic, Pvp is definetly not the focus, might have the “publicity” but not the focus, its been stated many times already, all game modes especially wvw are the focus.

and fyi, Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

Ok………………………..

Dr Acula.3496:

Kraggy.4169:

Dr Acula.3496:

Troop.1369:

I wish they won’t allow anyone to turn the buff on and off. This is World vs World. 1v1 is SPvP.

GvG is.. well… not an option supported by Arena.Net yet… maybe in another game you will find what you are looking for.

Im sorry man, but if I chose to disable my orb buff thats my choice and it doesnt effect you or WvW in the least. Therefore your argument has no merit and is best kept to yourself.

Seems you’re just totally wrong …

DevonCarver.5370:

No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.

How so? Because this Dev that is clearly out of touch with the player base of this game made some weak argument against being able to turn the buff on or off? Quit being a kittening sheep.

the Irony of this post is amazing and painful

Recommend you go Sor, thats probably the most stable amd active WvW server you will ever find

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Devon or another dev have already replied to a thread where they have admitted that their priorities have been elsewhere, PvE; and that the next WvW (after the 17th little patch) will not be under after December of this year.

If you ask me it’s a disgrace, they are ignoring this part of the community and concentrating on the others.
Many players, even entire guilds have left GW2 because they, like most of us, solely play in WvW.
Our complaints have largely been ignored or removed from the forums under the guise of infractions; but it doesnt change that players are hacking and exploiting even now.
There is also the issue where PvE players only come to WvW to do the JPs as it was an easy way to get badges for their legendaries, and provided no real WvW support, they just took up spots real WvW players need.
And let’s not forget that WvW has a direct influence over PvE via all the boosts it gives. It’s like were the slave labour for PvE players to get richer from our work, and we get peanuts from it! Whilst PvE players are rolling in gold. So I say get rid of those PvE boosts and apply them only to WvW.

I’m usually a PvE player as well, but the PvE in this game just seem rather dull, hence why I WvW. But what can I say, we’re like the black sheep of the family where we only get noticed on Thanksgiving and Xmas, the rest of the year they dont want to hear from us. Which is what the dev post basically said, “We’re working on other things, we’ll get back to you in December.”

please link this response because so far I havnt seen anything like it, in fact, we just had a stream about the wvw map changes hours ago .______.

If you guys continue your “winning/Losing” mentality, you will never improve or even have fun, especially when people Victimize themselves, Learn from the match up, practice small man and server organization, coordinate with your fellow guilds, hell even GvG, PREPARE for the upcoming wvw patch

Sor, TC, you guys better come out to fight and not hide like last time

One of the goals of the league is to encourage people to organize and encourage people to get into wvw and to fight for their server, but knowing people on the forums they will be a ton of QQ and refusing to log on due to the assumptions people make, especially the fair weathers leaving their hardcore and organized guilds out to hang.

hopefully servers will get organized, get their own server comms for example, have meetings especially b4 reset and communicate each other

your working on assumptions and fallacies, this wont end well

dont you feel any shame? about needing and demanding for a dev response? for a dev to hold your hand? somewhere in your in your mind youve equated “dev response” to “dev give a kitten and working on it”.

Sanctum of rall is probably your best bet for finding a good militia commander, most time between NA prime and SEA prime is covered by Militia and commanders

This is why we have professionals at anet who calculate any nerfs before implementing then in charge, as much as I dislike them the alternative right here is a nightmare, although I will screenshot this post as a form of evidence in the future

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

There is a real difference between creating according to what the consumer wants and creating towards what you want. This is evident with the playstation 4 and the new xbox. The playstation is a result of what was experienced from the playstation 3, where as the xbox was created in line with what Microsoft wants.

At this stage it is apparent a-net is creating what is in line for what they want, not necessarily what the consumer wants.

They have probably wanted for some time to showcase their product at PAX. hence spectator mode was added and another 5 vs 5 arena in soloQ. They have also probably wanted to generate some income from PvP, hence custom arena you can purchase and skins that can be used in both PvE and PvP that can be purchased.

If you look at the long standing, players wanted debuff to thief, thief got more buffs. When players just gave gave up on thief ever changing, thief suddenly got Rng skills. It is a similiar case with memser. Despite chained nerfs they have caused issue with their mechanics of having A.I doing your damage. Once Mesmer fell from popularity, they suddenly got RnG. All this came months after many players raged quitted over the issues because that time was spent creating spectator mode etc. A case of closing the gate after the horse has left.

It is clear that what has been planned and is in line with what they want is still taking presidency over what players want that is fair and reasonable.

The biggest issue is that PvP can’t grow much more currently. There is no monks, no purposeful interrupts, no skill viewing through cast bars, too much particle effect, character normalising issues, spam and other plaguing issues. I do believe anet probably felt in creation that these issues would not have persisted so long and have been problematic to fix when the priority has been creating what is in line with what they want as opposed to creating what is needed immediately before more players leave.

Ican understand a-net having a strong invested interested in debuting at PAX and getting ready for that as a priority. All we can hope for now is that the next balance patch is exactly that (Balanced) and that the new additions of skills that have been mentioned help smooth things out by being more consumer orientated in terms of what the community would like to see and start driving Pvp forward in a clear and linear direction.

The fallacy in this statement hurts alot though

the recent effects details patch has done a bit to improve the games Fps by preventing many effects in one place, but certain abilities like Engi grenades and Thief Smoke still greatly Drop and spike FPS, will this problem be addressed anytime in the future?

Zagan.5287:

BG is dying from the inside. Exploding.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, dont worry, Tarkus is there

Vayne.8563:

Lafiel.9372:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Conner.4702:

The latest PR bullcrap they released didn’t actually hold any relevant info on how well the game is doing. They can stay it is steadily growing sure and it can very well be the truth, but that doesn’t mean anything without numbers backing them up. If they had a huge drop off at some point and it started rising again after that, than you can claim the game is growing without lying. The concurrent number was that a one off or an average? When was it? Total sales does that include or exclude people that got refunds and if it included how many got refunds.

The info is meant to show the game in a positive light nothing more. Mortal Online frequently does this and they have around 2k users and are losing money hand over fist.

To me it seems population is on the decline, but that is just my viewpoint.

then there comes the question, what makes you think the population is in decline, when the Developers themselves have given us the information we need, information that happens to confirm what many evidence already points to.

@Lafiel, youve already answered your own question, the fact is that the game is growing, now whether gamers can “feel” or Notice this is, as you say, depends from person to person, server to server, someone in the bottom tiers might log into wvw and determine the game is dead, while at the same time someone logs into an invasion event overflow and determines the game is bursting in the seems, etc etc

Well I feel like there is less people. For example, I regularly play on server other servers. Back in the days, I would notice a lot more people doing the PvE content (the main ones) like fire elemental or jormag etc. Now this could very well be the doing of the current invasion but even before that time, i’ve noticed drop off in player numbers. I just want to see if other people feel it too.

Also, as conner has explained perfectly well, the numbers given by anet can be twisted, no company is going to give you the cold hard facts (that their game is losing players). Like I said, there could have been a significant drop off in the last 3 months that no one knows about and the numbers stated them are incredibly vague.

The problem is the population keeps moving around. It’s not a static population but an active one. Every time Anet changes something, the people who are doing it change.

When people were farming the flame champions in the cursed shore, you couldn’t get a hit on them unless you were in a group, and playing a staff guardian. Otherwise you wouldn’t get credit for a lot of the kills.

This was less than a month ago. But not everyone one there. There were also champion trains in Queensdale and Frostgorge. Then the pavillion opened and it was the place to be, so people went there. And some people kept themselves entertained with the gauntlet.

Now people are doing the zone wide events. I’ve yet to be on a server those aren’t packed on. There are multiple events, multiple overflows for each of the events.

So yeah, there are less people in WvW and less people in the word.

But when they changed WvW a couple of months ago and introduced WxP, it was new so WvW was packed.

Sure it seems like less people are in WvW…because less people are in WvW. That doesn’t say anything about all the overflows I keep getting into.

if thats the case then theres no point at the thread because everything on our part is pure speculation and any evidence shedding light can be “twisted”.
At some point you have to either give the company thats providing you your product the benifit of the doubt, this doesnt just go for anet but for every company that produces all of the things we use, without it, the sake of argument is none existent.

but take note though, Arena net is a subsidary of Ncsoft, a company thats traded, at least partially, Publically, meaning it producers information, such as financial ones for their stockholders, meaning transparency and with it integrity is utmost importance, supposedly Manipulation or Bullkittenting something like the info graph would only live to haunt them, Its most definetly against their philosophy but perception will always prevail over reality.

Conner.4702:

The latest PR bullcrap they released didn’t actually hold any relevant info on how well the game is doing. They can stay it is steadily growing sure and it can very well be the truth, but that doesn’t mean anything without numbers backing them up. If they had a huge drop off at some point and it started rising again after that, than you can claim the game is growing without lying. The concurrent number was that a one off or an average? When was it? Total sales does that include or exclude people that got refunds and if it included how many got refunds.

The info is meant to show the game in a positive light nothing more. Mortal Online frequently does this and they have around 2k users and are losing money hand over fist.

To me it seems population is on the decline, but that is just my viewpoint.

then there comes the question, what makes you think the population is in decline, when the Developers themselves have given us the information we need, information that happens to confirm what many evidence already points to.

@Lafiel, youve already answered your own question, the fact is that the game is growing, now whether gamers can “feel” or Notice this is, as you say, depends from person to person, server to server, someone in the bottom tiers might log into wvw and determine the game is dead, while at the same time someone logs into an invasion event overflow and determines the game is bursting in the seems, etc etc

you determine growth by what you see in pve and wvw ._.

the Game is growing, quiet steadily actually, in fact is anets recent infograph, I think 3.5 million copies were sold and 450k players active at a given time, compared to last decembers 3mil and 300k or soemthing like that, so yes, its growing, suprisingly too for an Mmo in the Summer, a time where Mmos are light on numbers

covenn.7165:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

covenn.7165:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

You realize that what you are saying makes no sense right?

They cannot both attack bay and do a GvG at the same time.

*Upsidedown Tactical Facepalm

Maybe you need to clarify what you were saying. Because my response was valid to the way I interpreted your statement.

you already know the answer

covenn.7165:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

You realize that what you are saying makes no sense right?

They cannot both attack bay and do a GvG at the same time.

*Upsidedown Tactical Facepalm

*facepalm……

Wahii.5310:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

holy cow do you even read your posts before you post them? the blood in your brain must be boiling, I can feel the frustration in your post, tsk2x, oh and btw, I was not there when you tiny 15 man group was wiped by sors 50 man group, huhuhuhu, it sounds so sad I wish I was there, I dont dont your word at all btw,

If only there was a map with open spaces and nto a conflict zone that people can easily GvG in, hell, they could even put a JP there and a portal from Ebg, tsk anet, tsk

I guess you’re just one of those people who still thinks PPT means something. Thats cool I guess. You should probably be online making sure your server is maximizing their point tick instead of trolling on the forum though. I’m sure your skills are invaluable to the SOR point lead.

Hate on GvG if you want. Some of us learned a long time ago that PPT is pointless and good fights are often hard to come by. We GvG to have fun and get challenging fights rather that participate in the map blob karma farming mess that WvW has turned into. I doubt very much that our 15 man group GvGing has any effect at all on your precious PPT, especially this late on a Thursday.

once again bro, you do it again, tsk2x, now with presumptions I dislike GvG? Did I ever say that? youre starting to break my heart </3 , especially with the irony of you posting exactly what your trying to preach about, fortunetly, my violin is here right beside me

Wahii.5310:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

Wahii.5310:

Thank you to SOR and FEAR (using troll guild tag) for interrupting the DA vs ONS GvG several times. We took the time to set up a match on a map that was completely overrun anyway and you felt the need to troll our fight not once, but several times.

We had to call the match early because we were unable to finish a fight uninterrupted.

GvG’s take time to schedule and coordinate. We had members rearrange their schedules to participate. If you don’t GvG thats cool, but please respect the time of people that do.

I’m sorry to read this. This is unacceptable behavior; please do not believe that this is the behavior or mindset of the general server.

there’s no need to be an apologist dude, I doubt it will be appreciated cuz of all the bags that likely spawned, Assuming both bg and jq were wiped of course

I would be upset if someone decided to interrupt a GvG I was participating in.

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

Wahii.5310:

Thank you to SOR and FEAR (using troll guild tag) for interrupting the DA vs ONS GvG several times. We took the time to set up a match on a map that was completely overrun anyway and you felt the need to troll our fight not once, but several times.

We had to call the match early because we were unable to finish a fight uninterrupted.

GvG’s take time to schedule and coordinate. We had members rearrange their schedules to participate. If you don’t GvG thats cool, but please respect the time of people that do.

I’m sorry to read this. This is unacceptable behavior; please do not believe that this is the behavior or mindset of the general server.

there’s no need to be an apologist dude, I doubt it will be appreciated cuz of all the bags that likely spawned, Assuming both bg and jq were wiped of course

I would be upset if someone decided to interrupt a GvG I was participating in.

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

I am sure that interrupting GvG’s is not in the MO of the SoR realm. We’d be better off without people like you.

so what just happend in sor bl then? would rather people had a better perception of reality, we would be better off with more of those people

Are you referring to the completely red heavily SOR overrun map that we were GvGing on? You had a map blob. JQ had 15 DA and a few others. Blackgate had ONS. You ruined our GvG so we ran around looking for fights. We decided to go elsewhere after SOR ran away until they could bring in their map blob to wipe us 50+ vs 15.

Ran us off the map you say? Yea I guess you did, gratz on that. We left because we want fights. You ran away from every even numbered fight there was and chased us across the map when it was heavily stacked in your favor.

Not sure what you think is special here…

holy cow do you even read your posts before you post them? the blood in your brain must be boiling, I can feel the frustration in your post, tsk2x, oh and btw, I was not there when you tiny 15 man group was wiped by sors 50 man group, huhuhuhu, it sounds so sad I wish I was there to play a violin for you , I dont doubt your word at all btw,

If only there was a map with open spaces and nto a conflict zone that people can easily GvG in, hell, they could even put a JP there and a portal from Ebg, tsk anet, tsk

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

Wahii.5310:

Thank you to SOR and FEAR (using troll guild tag) for interrupting the DA vs ONS GvG several times. We took the time to set up a match on a map that was completely overrun anyway and you felt the need to troll our fight not once, but several times.

We had to call the match early because we were unable to finish a fight uninterrupted.

GvG’s take time to schedule and coordinate. We had members rearrange their schedules to participate. If you don’t GvG thats cool, but please respect the time of people that do.

I’m sorry to read this. This is unacceptable behavior; please do not believe that this is the behavior or mindset of the general server.

there’s no need to be an apologist dude, I doubt it will be appreciated cuz of all the bags that likely spawned, Assuming both bg and jq were wiped of course

I would be upset if someone decided to interrupt a GvG I was participating in.

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several

I am sure that interrupting GvG’s is not in the MO of the SoR realm. We’d be better off without people like you.

so what just happend in sor bl then? would rather people had a better perception of reality, we would be better off with more of those people

Mirsa.1628:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Mirsa.1628:

Wahii.5310:

Thank you to SOR and FEAR (using troll guild tag) for interrupting the DA vs ONS GvG several times. We took the time to set up a match on a map that was completely overrun anyway and you felt the need to troll our fight not once, but several times.

We had to call the match early because we were unable to finish a fight uninterrupted.

GvG’s take time to schedule and coordinate. We had members rearrange their schedules to participate. If you don’t GvG thats cool, but please respect the time of people that do.

I’m sorry to read this. This is unacceptable behavior; please do not believe that this is the behavior or mindset of the general server.

there’s no need to be an apologist dude, I doubt it will be appreciated cuz of all the bags that likely spawned, Assuming both bg and jq were wiped of course

I would be upset if someone decided to interrupt a GvG I was participating in.

and so you apologise for the server? please speak for yourself, according to what the people say, , they were attacking Bay while they were donig gvging, a tier 2 bay, forces came in, and afterwards what happens? both groups attack garrison while Ddosing and get wiped, and are both later kicked off the map by FEAR, theres only one loser here, well, several