Guild Wars 2

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

The one to Rule.2593:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

The one to Rule.2593:

spoj.9672:

Spreadsheets are not why people think necro is bad. The reality of the classes previous lack of utility was the reason. Had nothing to do with dps and it had nothing to do with spreadsheets. You dont calculate utility on spreadsheets.

Maybe those players should rely less on teammates preventing them from dying and rely more on their own skill then there wouldn’t be this stupid persecution of classes. Honestly, I’ve played every class in the game quite a bit. I don’t find necromancers lacking at all.

“Prevent them from dying” what the kitten lmao
It’s not about people relying on others not to die, it’s about bringing useful tools to the party like fields, blasts, reflects/projectile destruction, unique buffs etc. so that the party can achieve higher efficiency and a smoother run.
That being said, yes, Necromancers got better over time but back then we didn’t have as much to bring.

So what? rely on yourself and not everyone else. Rely on what YOU can bring to a team not what everyone else can. Necro does bring things to the table so I’m not really sure where all this is coming from. We have projectile destruction, party wide life siphon Great dps and guess what? we don’t have to rely on ele’s or ps warriors for our own might generation. Aoe blinds for team support in bosses where people are dying all the time. Transfusion etc. Not to even mention boonstripping and team condi cleanses.

Our support is different, but it does not make it bad by any means.

Sorry come again?
Why in hell would I >not< expect my party to bring things? If I want to rely on myself I solo.
Besides, I especially mentioned that Necros didn’t have much BACK THEN, because we surely didn’t have CPC, leech and other things in their current form months or years ago, which is the time that stigma is coming from in the first place. DPS is also okay, not great. Other classes outperform us.
Yes, even back then Necro was capable of some nifty tricks, the issue however was that it wasn’t as easily accessible or was plagued by other issues when another class was able to do this in a much easier fashion. One of the reasons Necro isn’t optimal and, back then, much less viable. Now we’re finally closing this gap, though I doubt we’ll ever see a spot in optimal party compositions except things are going to change in one way or another.

If you’re dying all the time in a party, chances are it’s probably you being bad and not your party, people really need to stop blaming everyone else when they fail at things. And quite honestly, if you aren’t going for world record runs, 2-3 minutes extra on a dungeon path is no big deal.

Now that dungeons are dying, the only real place we’ll see the " meta" bs that forces us to play classes we don’t even like are going to be in raids. Completely discriminating against classes is not good for the health of this game. I agree there are inherent flaws with necromancers, but there are flaws to any class.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

The one to Rule.2593:

spoj.9672:

Spreadsheets are not why people think necro is bad. The reality of the classes previous lack of utility was the reason. Had nothing to do with dps and it had nothing to do with spreadsheets. You dont calculate utility on spreadsheets.

Maybe those players should rely less on teammates preventing them from dying and rely more on their own skill then there wouldn’t be this stupid persecution of classes. Honestly, I’ve played every class in the game quite a bit. I don’t find necromancers lacking at all.

“Prevent them from dying” what the kitten lmao
It’s not about people relying on others not to die, it’s about bringing useful tools to the party like fields, blasts, reflects/projectile destruction, unique buffs etc. so that the party can achieve higher efficiency and a smoother run.
That being said, yes, Necromancers got better over time but back then we didn’t have as much to bring.

So what? rely on yourself and not everyone else. Rely on what YOU can bring to a team not what everyone else can. Necro does bring things to the table so I’m not really sure where all this is coming from. We have projectile destruction, party wide life siphon Great dps and guess what? we don’t have to rely on ele’s or ps warriors for our own might generation. Aoe blinds for team support in bosses where people are dying all the time. Transfusion etc. Not to even mention boonstripping and team condi cleanses.

Our support is different, but it does not make it bad by any means.

spoj.9672:

Spreadsheets are not why people think necro is bad. The reality of the classes previous lack of utility was the reason. Had nothing to do with dps and it had nothing to do with spreadsheets. You dont calculate utility on spreadsheets.

Maybe those players should rely less on teammates preventing them from dying and rely more on their own skill then there wouldn’t be this stupid persecution of classes. Honestly, I’ve played every class in the game quite a bit. I don’t find necromancers lacking at all.

What if I told you monetary gain was never the goal of raids? It’s for legendary armor + ascended gear+ skins.

And besides, other than legendary weapons, what else would you really need gold for? This entire game is a skin grind, I don’t know what you were expecting if not different skins and armor that you can freely change the stats on when desired.

Honestly I doubt necro’s will have much of a place, which is unfortunate because it’s my favorite class, I just don’t get the necro hate, I’m not buying that we have bad dps. I just don’t see it. I think people just blame necro for they themselves being bad.

So what about sigil of force? that’s pretty expensive and it’s not even OP

it’s very easily interrupted, no nerf needed.

Mace is garbage in a power build…. go to hammer, there are times where you need ranged, also, there is an evade on the hammer that can greatly help you survive, I would run Shiro+jalis until you can get Glint.

Ah yes, I forgot about boonstrip

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Get your top 8 locked in. Then have the remaining members make armorless/skill less/ dodge less run across the second arah p2 skip. What ever 2 makes it the fartherest will be the 2 who get to raid.

Yeah i’m not seeing how skipping things is supposed to make sure players are good for raid content.

As a dragonhunter in fractals as well as a revenant, It honestly depends on what you are most comfortable with and your style of play.

I find that I do enjoy guardian for mid level fractals since you don’t really want to use fury 41-50 due to the instability that buffs enemies when you crit. At higher levels I’ve switched back to revenant though since their dps and team utility is no longer kitten since they can use fury.

Mesmer is always great though and you cannot go wrong with chronomancer. Reflects + alacrity

In the end they are just two totally different styles so go with whatever is more fun and comfortable to you

The purpose is to farm masteries via cof p1 duh. It really is a shame though because I loved dungeons…. Now I feel like I have to do fractals which is content I never really enjoyed because there really is no other pve endgame. Raids are once a week so what happens when I hit 100 in fractals? nothing?

meta for anything pve is berserker nothing new

Ele is still more dps, but rev isn’t too far behind. and on mobile targers rev is arguably better. You also get a lot more hp and sustain skills to keep you alive unlike ele

Silv.9207:

Necromancer has always been subpar in PvE.
For long time it’s been useless in sPvP but some time ago with the corruption build had reached a good utility in some teams. But with the actual specializzations and balance the reaper is still a not meta class (we was in meta for 1 month of glory before turn back into the darkness XD)
In WvsWvsW we reached our best efficence why DS recharge fast when people die around you (good in zerg fights), but I’m not shure about Reaper why it’s a pure melee and the Necromancer in www was good why had a 100% critical rate by Range AoE in a line. While in melee have not a single defensive skill to protect himself, with the risk of waste the RS only to protect himseld and not be able to do good damage.

About Dungeons, I’ve always been unwelcome in any casual teams. Sometimes been insta-kicked why I’m a necro.

We do lesser damage than a lot of other classes (revenant, warrior, guardian, ele, thief), we don’t give any support (heal with DS/RS skill 4 but if you play dps your heal is more or less useless) and 8 stack of might every 30 seconds (20 if traited. good but not enough them).

The only thing we can do better than others is survive. We are a selfish class with good damage and good survavibility (in PvE) and we can survive where other classes can’t. But that’s the only thing we can do better than others. And with the specializzations I’m not still shure that’s true.
Our only hope is that in Raird we’ll need to have a good self survavibility to do them, making us good for it.

BUT there’s a new specializzation that make us in trouble: the Druid.
With the actual fixes on Blighter Boon whe can heal ourself in RS only with our boons. That’s why we can do pretty well and if others boons will trigger that trait it will be really OOOOOOOOP. But the Druid make us in trouble why: if raids will be so hard that you need a pure Healer to survive our RS will not be enough for that and while in RS/DS we can’t be healed, making us suffer for lack of healing.
Then to evade the possibility that someone die only why the druid is unable to heal him we will be once more kicked away from every Raid teams.

Your only hope is to find players that don’t care about your class/build why know every build can do good things and find a guild to do Raids.

I focus always on the worst possibility but there’s a concrete chance that we will not be welcome in Raids, expecially if you want to join casual teams.

Still trying to decipher this word salad

Read the blogposts and watch the videos, then you’ll know just as much as everyone else.

Roul.3205:

Great, now every wannabe lfg will say “10K+ AP GEARCHECK AND AR CHECK”

Good.

Revenant is superior in terms of dps and in my opinion offers better team support than guardian. Guardians i’m sure will still be viable, but given the choice i’d go with revenant

So far from what we’ve seen stability and reflects are useless so there isn’t much of a point to bring guardian, but who knows what is coming in the future

you’re acting like people will not just find a way to farm gold no matter what you do.

hmmm this chart says 145 for 1% damage that’s why im confused

I was looking at the AR chart and it said 145, is this true?

Then don’t play it. Simple.

I’ll pass on greatsword ever being a condi weapon

1 sec of fear per boon? that’d be way too strong.

oh….kitten it….ugh what a troll..

Im so confused, for a collection i need to buy things with crystaline ore but there’s not even an option to.

No I don’t regret purchasing HOT.

We got a new profession

which is incredibly fun to play in comparison to the other heavy armor classes

We got specializations

which admittedly are easy to unlock but they really have changed the way I play certain classes. Reaper certainly feels like it has made necro more of a complete class. Herald compliments revenant perfectly, Chronomancer has made mesmer actually viable.

The only classes that kind of got shafted are rangers and thieves,

Warriors, eles, and engineers were already incredibly good classes. they were not in dire need of these new specs as other classes.

Guardian has always been great in pve so it got more of a pvp spec to strengthen a spot it was weakest in.

Now the maps

The maps are great and I really like the verticality and the depth to each of them and the effort that went into the design. My only complaints about the maps are the fact there just wasn’t enough of them.

I would also have liked it if meta events actually gave rewards that weren’t simply champion bags, almost every event gives these and they hardly feel like they are even worth it anymore after 3 years of terrible loot, this really needs to be touched on.

The storyline

The story was actually amazing and I enjoyed it for what it was. It made me actually feel and care about what happened to the characters.

The only thing is the story felt very incomplete, the point where it ended is where it just started to pick up speed and build up. I strongly feel like the final fight should have only been about 50% into the story. Too much was left unanswered and I know this was on purpose but They should have given us some hint of what was to come in the future instead of leaving us without a clue.

Stronghold

Interesting pvp mode, haven’t really played it much but it adds a different element than just mindlessly kill and control points.

TLDR – No I don’t feel like it was a waste of money but the product does feel unfinished and I strongly feel that more content was needed to justify the 50$ price point.

yes, zerker is the only gear choice.

gannondorf.7628:

The one to Rule.2593:

Underpowered? rev is in the top 3 dps classes. have you been using sword/axe with shiro? Because that auto attack combined with impossible odds is amazing. Then when you get glint you can have perma fury+swiftness+might

Revenant isn’t only Glint or Shiro, even if for now it seems. Can we speak about the three underpowered legends we have?

Yes it is, the other legends are so bad they don’t even exist to me. So yeah, it’s just glint+shiro.

Underpowered? rev is in the top 3 dps classes. have you been using sword/axe with shiro? Because that auto attack combined with impossible odds is amazing. Then when you get glint you can have perma fury+swiftness+might

You aren’t going to get your backpack back, it was your own choice, Did you really think it was going to be 100%?

I like the idea. Support.

Rytlock didn’t die though.

Anything other than zerker exists?

^

" If you want hard content, go play the raids or high level fractals."

Fractals aren’t even hard you just need money for the infusions and frankly I have better things to spend my money on, also fractals are the same boring repetetive stuff the entire time, No one wants to only do that.

Raids? are you serious? Raids aren’t even out.

its a known problem if you complete maps on characters with 100% tyria map comp you get nothing.

Nah, sword is the best rev weapon, but still hammer is great.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

The one to Rule.2593:

Taldren.7523:

Glint / Shiro is already going down hill. Players are L2Ping and Glint heal is starting to become the worst of the bunch instead of Shiro.

Glints heal is amazing, One of the best in the game.

Not if people stop attacking you for the brief duration that it’s up.

Are you speaking in terms of pvp? Sure there will always be counter play but that doesn’t mean the skill itself isn’t good, though I was speaking from a pve perspective

Dahkeus.8243:

The one to Rule.2593:

Condi dps = sinister engi hands down
Power dps = Revenant/ Elementalist
Boonstrip = reaper or mesmer, probably mesmer because Chronomancer is OP as hell and alacrity is amazing

cc utility Not sure, but I know rangers are the kings of cc hands down but this can be filled by multiple roles

I’m almost positive we will have to have a PS warrior as well

Agreed with this, except that I’m not sold on ranger for CC…
They have a lot of soft CC, but not much in terms of stuns/dazes/etc. A Scrapper may be a strong choice for this with the right build, but not sure.

And yea, I think PS war points out that you’ll also want a damage support role in the form of a PS war and a druid (Frost Spirit, Spotter, Glyph of Empowerment…).

Consdering that there’s still the 5 target limit, you may even want 2 of these for your group. A ‘perfect’ group may be something like this:

1 – Vipers Engi
2 – Revenant
3 – PS War
4 – Druid
5 – Chronomancer

6 – Vipers Engi
2 – Elementalist (power DPS)
3 – PS War
4 – Druid
6 – Chronomancer

I could see Reaper being put somewhere in there and maybe even Dragonhunter/Guardian, but sadly I think it will be hard to justify a thief as ideal for any role unless there are fights that just require a ton of mobility (as it stands, an engi could probably cover stealth well enough on their own).

Well I did say I was unsure about ranger myself just was a thought off the top of my head.

Taldren.7523:

Glint / Shiro is already going down hill. Players are L2Ping and Glint heal is starting to become the worst of the bunch instead of Shiro.

Glints heal is amazing, One of the best in the game.

Not really sure why you guys don’t like Trahearne. I felt like he was a good character.

1.Verdant
2. Auric basin
3. Dragons stand
4. Tangled Depths (hate this effing map)

who cares? Mounts would be pointless when we can just waypoint.

^

Nope, you should get zerker

People acting like GW1 zones were good lol. GW1 zones were basically vast wastelands all filled with either Devourers,Centaurs,dwarves, destroyers, Depending on where you were, the dungeons were all bland and basically the same. The story was all over the place and half the time you felt like you had no idea what was going on. To get any cool armor took far more unrealistic grind than Gw2 has ever had. Money was far more annoying/hard to come by.

I mean I remember rurik dying, then me ending up in Lions Arch and somehow getting thrown into a story about the shining blade and white mantle that had absolutely nothing to do with the war in ascalon which felt like it was never really resolved.

That hammer is epic

Zerker gear With Sriro/glint. Glint is pretty amazing,. Sword/axe + hammer is a great combo and not only gives you damage but plenty of survivability with the evades it offers. Rev feels really slow until you unlock the glint skill that gives perm swiftness though.

Rev seems better for dps and utility, Warrior to me is more about might stacking which they are FAR better at than rev even with facets and strength runes.