Yeah, I’m just stopping.
The bar is too high for anyone to believe I earned it.
That makes it worthless to me.
Not sure if this is helpful but for me the JP was undoable for a long time.
I’m using a Logitech G700s mouse, which works fine for me in the game.
This JP requires much more perfectly times turns and I don’t know what it was but I could see I was failing because of an exceptionally short lag period in which I hit the space bar but didn’t jump. Switching to a different mouse without a reticle setup made a big difference.
Don’t they need to have a general idea of how much bug fixing they’ll need to do before committing to an end date?
Or shouldn’t they?
Around for how many years?
At one gift a day from the Christmas Tree node,
That’s about 27.4 years
So that’s what it looks like inside the JP.
How did you get in?
I got 37 bottles of rum from Princess before finally looting a magic cork.
Getting that Cork seemed fitting, especially being a "Magic’ cork, but,
since I cant actually drink that rum, I’ll offer that magic cork to you for
protection, if you think it would help…
Seriously, I agree the numbers are simply absurd for a Festival Event.
The real problem is some people actually completed the other core game 100k drink achievement. Sometimes having the money to complete something, doesn’t necessarily mean you should.
I’ve been around the sun a few dozen times. I can give some insight as to why it is this happens. AKA, the harsh and terrible truth as to why devs won’t talk to you. Not a direct “you”, but the “you” in the general sense, so don’t take it personally.
#1: You blow things out of proportion. A change doesn’t actually have to be big before people will moan endlessly about it. This is the internet, and people are always making a big drama about something, and just because you’ve gone on to the forums and found a dozen people who agree with you doesn’t mean it is an issue even worth mentioning. You’ll get over it, and if you don’t get over it, bye. We don’t want you here.
#2: You can’t be placated. If you’ve ever tried to reason with a tantruming child, you’d find it is impossible. And of course, being an online videogame, the majority of complaints come from just that. The playerbase is young, full of hormones, and also full of life’s little frustrations over how unpopular in school they all are. You aren’t looking for a solution, you just want to be angered by something. The reason why the devs won’t subject themselves to your every beck and call is because it would only fan the flames. Calm down, kid!
#3: Your complaints are irrational. Yes, just because you’re mad about something doesn’t mean that it makes sense, or is practical in any sense. The fact is that the devs can’t make the sky blue and not blue at the same time. and yet people will be angry at others for not doing their crazy bidding Whether you’re factually wrong, the solution you propose is worse than the problem, or you’re upset over something that can’t be understood by the rational mind, what you want isn’t correct.. There’s nothing to gain from talking to someone who is insane, because sanity is a per-requisite of meaningful communication.
#4: Your complaints are illegitimate. There’s a lot of vitriol leveled at the devs not because what they’ve done is necessary bad, but because something is bad for you. Even if other players want things differently, you are there with your own uncompromising desires, dead set on trying to make the world yours instead of better. Sometimes you have an ulterior motive, sometimes you’re just trolling, other times you just don’t care what other people think. Either way, your “feedback” is flailing wildly in a crowded room: it goes nowhere and just makes people more upset.
#5: Your complaints are a minority. Angered players speak out, content players don’t. While it seems like everyone agrees with you, in fact it is an echo chamber where the same 10 people just yell at their own shadows for days on end. Ultimately, to change any complaint you have it takes resources, and if there are a handful of cantankerous players irate over something, it doesn’t mean it is worth dealing with. The quality of updates and changes is subjective, so if you find yourself constantly out-voted on the matter, accept the horrible fate that your life will be filled with nothing going your way.
#6: The devs already speak with you, but you aren’t satisfied with the exact manner or how much. It is a goalpost that can be constantly moved, so to the belligerent mind can never be sated. Yes, the emotional black holes out there are all aflutter when something isn’t said fast enough, or where they want it to be said, or whether enough is said or not. No matter how much of a dialogue is trying to be casually opened, the fact is that you will always be looking to punch a gift horse in the mouth..
In short: You aren’t worth talking to. Now, I’m going to add this on to the end:
#7: The devs are people, too. Fact is, the devs don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Most people don’t. Most things in life are gambles. They’re going to make mistakes, and they’ll feel bad about their mistakes, or they won’t realize that something is a mistake. Thing is, you’re the worst person to tell them their mistakes. For the 6 reasons above, but also because you’ve assigned a air of mysticism around their work, and thus see anything that doesn’t suit you as the actions of a defiant spirit of some kind. The whole “fester with rage in their public spaces for weeks on end” is not a good look. It is not always going to be immediate that a problem even exists.
Congratulations! What a complaint! Way to attack everyone! This has to be a record.
It perfectly displays posters lack of understanding, including yours.
The game will even thank you for your report.
To everyone saying “it’s easy”, can you read?
To everyone laughing and giggling, what a bunch of —- —-—!
Was this post to you? No, it was to Anet.
What a great place for personal records, NOT!
I thought it was the game. Looks like it’s the players.
There is clearly no sympathy or empathy here, only sharks.
The nice thing OP is that there’s always a bigger shark.
Sooner or later, you get to laugh at them.
Just some perspective for the masses that cant do this JP.
I’ve looked at you tube videos, checked out all the threads and websites that offer assistance or tips on the JP, in detail.
After about 100 tries, (no I didn’t count) I made it about to half way once, based on what I’ve seen of the entire JP on videos.
At 17/18 (and 34 of 38 JP’s) but that’s not going to change, despite all the fanboi’s claims of how simple it is. Funny how I can have multiple sets of ascended armor, a legendary (near 2) world map completion on 3 toons, completed stories, on and on, yet they block progress with a JP after an expansion that uses mushrooms to jump.
To me, this issue here is not a simple shoulder skin or even the 10k drinks. I think this is the first time a jumping puzzle has been a requirement for a reward tied to a Festival Event.
I like that there is real effort or gold required. The JP is just a killer for me though.
Why couldn’t it be like Sanctum Sprint in reverse, a race down on sleds, or Gliding down from the top mast of the top ship in the Bazaar, or a jumping mushroom maze inside a small room of the Super Adventure box . Things that would give your new and core game players a taste of HoT and Festivals and just be simply fun.
There are enough gates and difficulty in the chain of required activities for a skin like this in a Festival Event. Please don’t add JP’s to them too.
I really think you are missing the point of these Holidays, which is spending on others.
It is the THRILL of sending money in the cash shop that we are supposed to be enjoying.
Do content for reward? Get serious. How can you not see that? It’s perfectly clear to many of us. The rewards are for spending/converting, not for content. Cant even get into some of the content.
People are not even saying premium rewards should come from premium content.
They say “It should come at a premium cost”.
You need to keep trying (I assume you mean the Wintersday JP). It takes a few tries but if somebody leaves the instance then you will get in.
This would be the FAIL we are talking about.
Require everyone.
Let no one in.
Why don’t you try taking a hard look at the Wiki and search awhile.
There is simply so much to do, try, love, hate, get frustrated over, feel the thrill of a well fought fight or campaign, on and on.
Personally, when I check the Wiki I always find more stuff to do. I don’t or simply cant do everything but there’s so much I don’t have to.
While taking part in guild activities, I still think of myself as a solo player and while the game is designed less and less for me (which I hate) , I still have to decide which of the many things I’ll do next that I enjoy.
If I remember correctly, this event has run longer than most, over the last few years.
This year it easily could. If you apply some of the posted numbers here to a 6 week event then the numbers lose all their drama and it’s easier to reach the goal.
The event is in one spot and could likely be running at the same time as other things.
This is all just speculation until we find out how long the event is.
If someone gets the answer to how long this Wintersday event runs, please post it here.
They would have to start by removing the HoT stuff from the general discussion thread.
We don’t even know how long wintersday lasts. If it’s long enough, it’s doable.
The real problem here is we wont find out how long the event will last until they pull the plug or maybe Gaile will let us know a day or two ahead of time.
That is not good enough.
They were basically the only reward worth getting last year.
I have stacks too. Now we pay out for more.
I might be able to last till next year. If I do, they won’t return, so…
It’s not right to expect us to decide if this is worth trying, or not,
without telling us how long the event will last!
Simply Ridiculous.
They are available for purchase from the event vendor in Divinity Reach.
(For a greatly increased amount compared to last year)
Seems real high, but do we know how long this will run? Given enough time it might not be too difficult.
To those concerned about the “mass drinking of alcohol”, Princess gave me 36 bottles of rum before giving me a lucky pirate rum cork, so it’s not new. Lol
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Old Tyria. I don’t see how they can even be compared.
Those HoT maps are beautiful, but they have the feel of a work in progress and like they are only meant for some players.
They should for awhile. When finished, I’ll likely still favour the core game.
It would have to fit within the HoT forum. Guild Halls are dead in the core game.
Or you could post another thread about it, even though there’s plenty already.
I agree with you. But let’s not bury each individual issue under a ton of problems so maybe they will actually notice and respond to those individual issues “simply requesting a clarification” and not a ton of work for them.
Is there any intent to have this recipe still work?
Checking the wiki for any snowflake shows it’s still viable.
However it gives a “Giant” winterday gift which has been discontinued.
Is it simply the word “Giant” that is now causing a bug,
or has the wiki just not been updated?
Last year there was a significant amount of luck available through mystic forging wintersday presents. The minimum luck was 50. No 10s.
It looks like the forge recipe doesn’t work now. Giant wintersday presents are gone and that’s what the forge gave us. Checking the wiki for snowflakes still shows the recipe gives the giant presents.
The wiki says the Giant Wintersday Gifts are discontinued content.
at the same time, the wiki also lists the MF recipe as a valid recipe.
This is a pretty big part of the main event vendor.
I hope they make the recipe work again.
Remember that Mystic Forge math is averages of massive numbers.
4k rares forged in the last 10 months got 4 precursors.
None, zero, nada in the last 4 months.
It can just as easily be the first 4 months.
That makes a world of sense. Thanks for the help and motivation. I do have trouble getting motivated to commit the extended time needed to get such lackluster rewards. There isn’t even mats of significance proportion to hold interest between fights. Running through mobs is not my favourite activity but zerg , run, or die (likely without a rez). That is a big concern.
Dying in HoT is not like yelling in map chat “I’m a bad player. Don’t rez me!” But it’s starting to feel more that way.
I’m still completing maps and enjoy much of it. There are lots of nice and helpful players. It’s just that the design kind of allows players to feel justified in treating other players as inferior, or enemies, even though Hot is basically PvE.
I look at that mastery number by a players name and see only accomplishment but I suspect more players are looking at it as a gauge of ability, and I’d rather have it removed than become a gauge.
There is a massive thread on this in the Guild Wars 2 discussion thread,
being consistently ignored despite hundreds of posts and thousands of views.
I parked my Mesmer at a farm so I don’t accidently portal players away from a chest and off a cliff. If you catch my drift.
They don’t require a Mesmer.
BECAUSE THEY DONT REQUIRE DOING.
For me, and clearly others, they simply are impossible.
I’m glad you can do it. I understand the thrill of completing these.
Why make something as generic as jumping puzzles so difficult that a significant part of the player base can’t EVER do on their own? The others were enjoyable. These are frustrating.
AND THEN GATE A MASTERY POINT BEHIND IT. That’s disgusting to me.
If anything, these last four are reward in and of themselves
I’m sorry if you thought I meant by anyone, but did you read the OP’s post?
I was writing to the players like me.
An opinion is when you think everyone can do it, because you can.
A fact is when you and everyone else has completed it.
Countless tries and much older fingers say otherwise. Thanks for the encouragement but I really don’t see any point in wasting any more time over this.
Thank you for your unsubstantiatable opinion. Now we have two.
Did 34 of the 38. Tried again recently. It was very clear to me then and now, that the only way to achieve these was to use a Mesmer and to me that’s cheating. Congrats on making mastery points basically only available by someone else doing it for you.
I hate what was done to guilds but I’m loving all this guild hall stuff now. You all dump your resources into that endless hole for a few decorations and make my resources much more valuable.
Like I’d be spending all my time in a guild hall and not playing the game….
Heh, this was one guys opinion. There was no voting or anything. Likely he sent out requests for donations while he was writing it, and received back paid advertising.
Of value is the responses.
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Are you sure you want to make that invitation here?
I don’t remember seeing the forums this upset.
How many down voters?
Seriously, why let potential new players/spenders look at the forums and leave permanently. Nothing obvious here says go check Reddit or Twitch.
The Front page has a thread with hundreds of responses and many thousands of views and not a single reply from Anet? It just doesn’t seem like good business practice.
Haven’t read the last 150 or so posts,
but is it possible that the skills that were affected were skills they got a lot of complaints about,
yet after checking they were found to be not overpowered skills,
so they reduced the visual “Strength” of the effect of those skills?
When influence was significant, a lot of people did the chain or chains of 5 events (of which there are several). With Influence, they provided decent reward in a shorter period of time. They were the easiest way to get extra item storage without buying it.
Without Influence, the reward is less. Still, habit is strong and there are players there doing those 5 event chains.
Pretty clear anet is so afraid of what they’ve done to the game, that they cant say anything at all, beyond dev tracker posts on bug fixing.
To the vast majority of players, posting on Reddit is saying nothing at all.
They know that.
The non rezzing behaviour may have been in WvW and PvP but not in PvE and the content we’re talking about here is PvE. The system has simply given people an excuse to not rez.
Expect it to become prevalent throughout the game now, followed by rewards based on damage done and that baloney.
Players pressed into a smaller space would increase rezzing not reduce it and we are not pressed at all. Many maps are basically empty.
Legendary armor is a new tier of armor made available with HoT.
A quick check of the ’Dev Tracker" thread shows they are too busy with the bug fixing of HoT and the PvP “contest” going on, to accept the wealth of positive feedback on the profession forums. If that makes sense.
I really wish that these forums weren’t filled with such ungrateful, complainy people
We paid for the game I owe no gratitude.
True, you don’t. You also aren’t required to even acknowledge the many positives of both the main game and the expansion either. And we aren’t prohibited from describing such behavior as whiny and “complainy”.
I love gliding, I absolutely adore the chronomancer, I really like most of the new maps, the story mode was fun, even though the story itself wasn’t so much. I love the feeling of getting lost, of knowing that there’s always some nook and cranny I haven’t explored, and the new maps give me that and also bump up the difficulty to a point where the game is actually challenging for once. Another thing I enjoy is the bigger focus on group content – if you don’t want to play with other people, don’t play MMOs! I also actually started playing PvP more actively, which is always nice. Also raids! Where I can be a support player! And the break bar replacing defiance, why the hell is nobody talking about this?!
All in all, while Anet did make some pretty big mistakes (fractals, WvW, legendaries requiring events to fail, which is the dumbest kitten I’ve ever seen) I am confident they will tweak them. The actual gameplay base of the game is more solid than ever and I just can’t wait to see them introduce new elite specs and masteries.
Soloing has been a thing in every MMO ever. If you’re new to the genre I can understand your mistake but if you’re not, you should at least be aware enough to admit that removing what GW2 was most loved for by many paid players (solo content) is what’s caused a portion of the backlash.
WvW was something GW2 did better than any other MMO and they’ve trashed it.
Dungeons never got updates so they added gold. Removing that gold I see as only a cash grab as they added nothing to Fractals at all (other than making ascended not drop at all… Oops).
I am glad to see others enjoying HoT but watch what you call customers who feel cheated.
Yes, solo content has been around in MMOs since forever. Solo high-level content? Not so much. Not to mention I did most of the stuff in VD for example without grouping with anyone. They also didn’t remove solo content, all of it is still there.
Please post a follow up here when you’ve gotten your guildhall solo. You know, access to what we made and had for years.
The rest of your complaints are valid, but as I said – solvable, they are about tweaking how much gold you get etc. WvW is getting no love, true, they mentioned off-handedly a rework, who the kitten knows when it’s going to come, but at least they openly acknowledge that there is a problem .
For those players who have been here from the start,
Changing something after over 3 years of game play is not fixing it.
It is changing it.
If your are less experienced, a change may seem like a good thing.
When you’ve played from the start, your way past looking at a function of the game as needing correction and look at it as a basic core system, regardless of how it functions.
That said, Disconnected is the wrong word. They asked for input in the CDI threads and are now acting on what they got. Unfortunately, casual players don’t post much because they are playing the game .
If they reopened those CDI threads now that changes are rolling out, would casual players post there? Likely many more would now, but would they stay to face the all out attacks from the fanboi base? Not likely.
Mislead might be a better word.
That’s some cruel RNG there.
Clarifying the difference in loot obtained, would only be even more cruel.
Done a ton of consistant damage and gotten nothing of note, and caught a very late map and tagged Teq a time or two and gotten a hoard.
I’d suggest trying several characters to even out the RNG (if such a thing is possible).
I’d like to say that I think the glider is a lot of fun.
DeceiverX.8361, your post is exactly correct. It’s length will unfortunately discourage many readers. Can you say it in less words without it sounding like just your opinion?
It would go a long way towards making a lot of players understand the real long term effects of raiding, as it’s designed, on this game as a whole.