Guild Wars 2

Balance is a non issue. It’s always been and always be cyclical.

You should whinge about the things that matter, like incentive, infrastructure and implementation.

Just one question, did NCSoft assign all thier good PvP developers to Wildstar and Carbine studios? Because thier systems in closed beta with Elo, 2, 3 & 5 man arena, ranked and Unranked battlegrounds seem to put GW2 to shame.

I personally think Ll points should be shared across the whole team, regardless of where they are or what they do. It would make life much simpler. Still record the stats and breakdowns, but a team of winners should all be Equel on points regardless of role.

^^ I’m with Milo. I frequent the forums but there hasn’t been any positive changes to Infrastructure and its simply taking too long.

The poor matchmaking and lack of solo/team que and corresponding ladders is the single biggest driving force behind poor player retention in GW2. It’s amazing that people still come out of the woodwork and tell you to “find a team or don’t play” and wonder why the player base has shrunk. It’s simple really, those people followed your advice and just stopped playing.

I personally can’t understand it. I’m no programmer, but an effective matchmaking rating and que system really can’t be that hard to implement considering some of the the content that’s already been added to GW2 would have been pretty complex development wise. Simple things keep players happy but balance changes, either good or poor don’t address the problem of lack of infrastructure.

Feel free to tell me not to play or find a team. I havent logged in for almost 3 months and all my friends and guild mates have moved on to greener pastures. I check the forums for changes and sadly Anet continues to disappoint.

Use it with time warp?

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Valkyriez.6578:

You heard it here first lads. Number 3 on this guys list is to add jumping puzzles to sPvP.

Get on it Arena Net, this is surely a high priority change for the better.

Whats is exactly ur problem ?
Eveyr1 should express THEIR wish list

Sorry mate, didnt realise you would take it to heart. I just can’t for the life of me understand how adding a jumping puzzle or 3 to sPvP would have any benefit whatsoever.

I take it back if you took offense, wasnt my intention but I see how you got there with my tone. Consider me reprimanded

Marcybuby.2958:

played this game for 3 month, then nothing more new/fun to do.
what would make me come back:
1. game mods like ha, gvg
2. more weapon skills….
3. more of the best thing in the game… jumping puzzles

You heard it here first lads. Number 3 on this guys list is to add jumping puzzles to sPvP.

Get on it Arena Net, this is surely a high priority change for the better.

More than a nice addition, it should be a staple. At least the ability to have 3 saved sets of everything and sell additional slots for gems. It would be useful for every facet of the game.

I would say…. Solo Q is the resounding winner here. The community has spoken Arena Net, ball is your court.

You give the casters grief for thier efforts and they will cease to cast. At least be constructive instead of just critical.

Ultimately mate, if you think it could/should be done better, throw your own hat in the ring.

Fair enough, well said.

I would love the town clothes idea.

I disagree. 5-6 hours a day is t needed to be competitive. Sure, it could help and if we were going pro maybe, but in the GW2 scene, from a casually competitive point of view, an hour or 2 a day for practice of any sort is more then enough.

I got some bad news though. Count me out in the short term. I wish you guys all the best but unfortunately I have to travel for work a fair bit and I’ll be offline for the whole of June. I’ll hit you up in August if you still want another player by then (hope you won’t need).

Aussiearcher is definitely on NA server. I’ve played a few tourneys with him, very skilled player and easy going on teamspeak.

Fri/sat night NA tourneys work out to 8am or so AEST sat/sun, that’s the best time IMO.

Zodian.6597:

What would you like to see most in GW2 PvP? no matter how selfish or absurd or unlikely it is to ever happen. Post your top 3 personal wishes for PvP in gw2, maybe devs will glance over and get some ideas ;p.

Mine:
1. Dueling in HoM
2. Ability to use skills while jumping/falling
3. Ability to use town clothes in combat

Out of curiosity Neglekt, if you could only choose 3 things to change/implement in sPvP, would that actually be your list? Not that I dislike your suggestions, but would you actually put those as the top 3 priorities of changes needed in sPvP?

Each to thier own of course, I like your ideas but can’t see how they could take precedent over real meaningful changes like solo/team que with ladders and plenty of other suggestions already mentioned in this thread.

The only glaring issue regarding big tournaments is the time difference. Most of the time it’s 2am onwards in Australia when these big tournaments start, unless so done starts an oceanic tournament which wouldn’t actually work IMO.

I think touching base with Aussiearcher would be a start. He’s organizing the Mistleague tournament and is also Australian (obviously).

Stealth.9324:

Valkyriez.6578:

If you need a 5th and actually have an organized practice/team play time structure I can be coaxed in to coming back online.

I prefer VOIP aswell, hate typing.

My playtime is nights, anywhere from 7pm Sydney time just about any day of the week.

Right now we are using Esport teamspeak to VoIP. And so far we have only 2 in the team, still looking for more.Would be great if we can team up and tourney sometimes. Cheer.

I have a full teamspeak server with a tonne of slots available. I’ll see if I can get on and PM you. I can play bunker or hybrid guardian and phantasm Mesmer (I can relearn shatter if needed).

I just want structure. Give me set times to login and play and I’m happy.

If you need a 5th and actually have an organized practice/team play time structure I can be coaxed in to coming back online.

I prefer VOIP aswell, hate typing.

My playtime is nights, anywhere from 7pm Sydney time just about any day of the week.

Solo que with visible matchmaking rating (by extension, a proper team que with thier own leaderboards)

A shift away from NPC reliance. Not in terms of combat, but the vendor NPCs. It’s annoying with the rune vendor, Sigil vendor, hotjoin vendor and tournament vendor. Integrate it all into the PvP UI somehow. I want to que a tourney from anywhere in the game and be back there when it finishes.

Most maps even if they are conquest. I would like 10 maps by end of 2013 at least with tournaments being maps randomly generated.

Banning leavers is actually looking at it from the wrong angle completely, but not unjustified.

The angle we should look at it rewarding those that don’t leave whilst minimizing the negative effect that a leaver has on those that stay without making it exploitable.

Look. I said in my post that GW2 seriously lacks systems and infrastructure. Yes, some of those better things could have definitely come across from GW1. As far as combat goes though, this is an ARPG in most respects. It is not supposed to be GW1 with better graphics. The combat, movement and effects are light years ahead of its predecessor “in my opinion”.

If Arena net can get the right infrastructure in place, this game will be amazing. It might not be your cup of tea, but that’s ok aswell.

Why am I here? Because I want to be. I enjoy playing this game even with some of its faults, I just don’t play it at the moment due to no solo que and poorly implemented MMR. Once those are fixed, I’ll be straight back in.

There’s plenty of people out there that tried GW1 and didnt like it, quite likely more then than the people that did.

We are all entitled to an opinion, mine is that GW1 was terrible and felt as clunky as they come. Yours is different, funny how both are valid.

You know how they have Karma Vials in PvE? I want them. To add EXP vials to tournament win chests. Every vial is worth 25% of a level in PvE and only comes from winning (chests).

Sorry lads. Can’t agree. Gw1 was atrocious. Point and click, No jumping and had a high learning curve that unless u played from the start it was almost impossible to make any sense of the game without outside website information.

It also looked extremely weird watching your characters move. The skill system was interesting, and the game modes were fun but that’s about it.

GW2 seriously lacks systems and infrastructure, but outside of that it is light years ahead of GW1. It certainly is far from perfect and quite different but here’s a red hot tip you can take to the bank, Arena Net knows some of you will dislike this game.

That’s why they didn’t shutdown GW1. Feel free to go back and play that.

Whilst your on your way there, take your whinging with you.

Any chance you guys have an oceanic or late night NA contingent? As an Aussie player it’s quiet on the oceanic front

Go one step further, do what Hi Rez has done and integrate twitch into the interface.

Check it out in Smite, it’s a crazy good initiative.

Try Smite. It truly is a quality game with really good infrastructure. Full ladders, solo and team que, tournaments etc and all in 3rd person view. 36 classes (gods) and counting.

Engels.8537:

Valkyriez.6578:

shimzor.6057:

Valkyriez.6578:

Balance is fine. More practice is needed.

I guess that’s why Mist is empty, and 80% PvP-ers quit this game.

Balance as an argument for low player retention? I think not.

Systems and infrastructure has and will continue to be the short falls for GW2. It is sly being rectified but is definitely the reason for a lack of player retention, not balance.

You got your wires crossed, fixed it for ya.

What’s your level in Spvp?

Did you play any other class besides guardian and mesmer?

I’m just curious,

Oh, and thanks for such useful comments so far,

Sorry Arheundel but i have to agree with Empathetic Fighter, terrible suggestions,

Except the last one, anyway you can use shouts and runes of the soldiers if that is a major issue,

Rank 30 in sPvP but that’s irrelevant anyway. I have played other classes actually. I used to play a warrior. Did I stop because of balance though? No. I stopped playing warrior because I played it all through beta and realized I needed a change. I am normally species as a DPS Guardian, far from optimal and certainly no bunker. My Mesmer isn’t Shatter spec either.

I’ve dabbled in necro, Engi and Ranger but besides the Engi, none of them appealed. I despise pet management and reliance and I’m not very partial to range classes either. I prefer melee, with Greatsword Guardian being my personal favorite.

shimzor.6057:

Valkyriez.6578:

Balance is fine. More practice is needed.

I guess that’s why Mist is empty, and 80% PvP-ers quit this game.

Balance as an argument for low player retention? I think not.

Systems and infrastructure has and will continue to be the short falls for GW2. It is sly being rectified but is definitely the reason for a lack of player retention, not balance.

You got your wires crossed, fixed it for ya.

pot.6805:

Valkyriez.6578:

Balance is fine. More practice is needed.

Says the guy who plays a Mesmer and a Guardian.

Is this the WoW arena forums? My mistake.

Classes are fine and well within tolerable limits. FYI, I don’t play bunker or shatter on either if my classes.

Balance is fine. More practice is needed.

Yeah, let’s disable dodging, jumping and bring in click to move.

Winner idea right there.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Expansion? The game is out less than a year and sales are plummetting. I don’t think the NC Soft rep they talked to has a clue. If they try to push out an expansion now it is just jumping the shark.

Fix what’s there first, then MAYBE you can talk about expanding.

Sales are plummeting? GW2 has sold easily over 3 million box copies, making it one of the highest indavidual selling MMO games ever. It smoked SWTOR and Rift, Tera, Aion and most likely Neverwinter aswell.

I don’t think Arena Net are overly concerned.

Perfectly reasonable and well said maple of those suggestions could carry over into normal play aswell but for shout casting, anything arena net can do regarding the UI and its functionality will definitely help in the short and long term competitive scene.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

The more premades and guild-teams you have the more competitive this game becomes. GW2 forces ppl to soloQ because the game lacks of a LFG-Tool and splitting them into 2 regions, 20 servers. That’s not healthy. And insulting players that want to play on a competitive level is not right. It’s A-Net fault of being incapable to generate a working SoloQ.
I know hundreds of ppl that actually wanna play in a premade but they just can’t find ppl for it due to this splitted playerbase. Then they are forced to soloQ and getting frustrated because soloQ is in a horrible state. Ergo they stop PvP or rarely play it.

I think my intent was lost among my context. I wasn’t insulting him, I was bemoaning the lack of a healthy solo que option for those times that forming a premade isn’t viable. I actually agree that HOTM should be inter server wide to better facilitate group making, so they can play in the team que that is needed.

If only there was such thing as a healthy and robust solo que……… The. You wouldn’t need to form a premade to stomp pugs.

Neglekt is right, but, and its a big but, there are numerous systems out there in the MOBA community that could work well within the sPvP format. I can’t be bothered going into them all but solo, duo and team que, seperated ladders, visible matchmaking rating, goodwill (Smite), tiers, better item acquisition (less NPC interaction) and being able to party and que from anywhere is just some of them.

Consider this, if Ranked play is already plagued with idiots that like to AFK or leave games midway entirely, what do you think will happen in Unranked play once a team is 10 points behind?

5v2 is my guess.

Don’t be conned, there is no matchmaking.

At least, none hat works and is visible and transparent.

In your opinion only, and luckily your opinion is rather insignificant in the broader scheme.

Dude, you seem to dislike this game a lot. Now you hating on gap closers? Leave hem be, they are integral to the way combat works in GW2 which is fine.

Call it an option all you want, it will never see the light of day.

You could request this idea until you go blue in the face and Anet still won’t pay attention to it.

Because its a crap idea is why. No need for pros, cons or even workarounds. It’s just a straight up crap idea and thank god it won’t be implemented (yes, I’m confident this will never see the light of day).

It goes contrary to every single system and direction that the devs are working on, for a third time, crap idea is crap.

Balance is, and was fine. Small tweaks are good for the game and Anet is doing a great job in that regard.

PvP infrastructure still has a ways to go, but much improved over what we had in Jan.

I’m all for personal opinions and all that jazz, but GW1 was as clunky as an MMO gets. It might have had some interesting game modes in pvp, but the rest of the game…….. GW2 is so many light years ahead it isn’t even worth discussing.
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You have completely lost your mind in my opinion. GW1 is light years ahead of GW2. The only thing great about GW2 that’s missing from GW1 is the ability to jump and the level of graphics. GW2 is a gorgeous game but the game play sucks compared to GW1. The combat and skill system in the original game blows the doors off of this Dynasty Warriors hack and slash of a game that is called GW2. It took a lot of time and practice to play at a very high level in GW1. In GW2 any super noob with the right class/build can click “play now” and be extremely effective.
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Like I said, each to thier own. The skill system in GW2, the GvG etc was a nice concept but combat, movement and fluidity were out the window. I much prefer the action gameplay of GW2, it just needs more infrastructure behind it.

Rerroll.9083:

Kasama.8941:

Rerroll.9083:

Kasama.8941:

I’m very surprised that the majority still prefers to have small balance changes, considering the ‘class balance’ votes shows the game really needs some obvious big changes.

Because small changes is the “obvious” answer. However it’s interesting that there’s a big number of people demmanding big changes.

How is it the obvious answer?

It’s politically correct. “Hey, let’s do small changes and see how the meta evolves, let’s not rush into nerfs & buffs and make mistakes” <— very valid opinion

However I think a few big changes should be made to certain professions & builds.

Because balancing with a scalpel is far better then balancing with a sledgehammer.

Gelmir.4763:

LordByron.8369:

Gelmir.4763:

I fully agree Kasama, they focus on PvE because most people do that..

Yes PvE i soooo balanced…..
And that because obviously they consider PvE ans the most important part so PvP is unbalanced to preserve PvE balance…..

Infact they keep buffing warrior that is UP in PvE thus resulting in being OP in PvP.

Same with ele that is OP in PvE/WWW but then became UP in PvP.

._______.

Warrior OP in PvP?
Ele UP in PvP?

What?

Anyway the point of the thread is: Compared to GW1, the Spvp in GW2 is trash in comparison. Still better than many other games. But compared to GW1 it is far from where it should be.

I’m all for personal opinions and all that jazz, but GW1 was as clunky as an MMO gets. It might have had some interesting game modes in pvp, but the rest of the game…….. GW2 is so many light years ahead it isn’t even worth discussing.

Balance is fine in this game, above average for an MMO IMO.

The rest is arguable but not entirely off point.