Yet, neither side of this argument is going to change the fact that they are foolish to believe (as they appear to) that WvW is needing an indirect monetization like this one. The real fact is that WvW players are also PvE and PvP players, and the entire ecosystem of people is susceptible to vanity and convenience purchases in the gem store.
The goal of WvW should be to deliver a compelling service that keeps people logging in. That goal would be benefited by shipping the commander pin product that the WvW community asked for, and not the one that is currently scheduled to ship.
Basically if you have no new content to deliver (like new maps) you add a super simple feature people have been asking for for 2 years and then give it a ridiculously high price to stretch for as long as possible the life time remaining to your gamemode.
Like I’m going to spend 300g for such a blatantly half-done feature. If we could display our guild tags then I would keep my gold for it. I wasted my gold and cash on many useless things in this game, like skins I then salvaged, but but a simple color change… no way.
No you can’t. Traps can’t be laid under stealth, and I dare anyone to stand in the middle of a zerg for 10 seconds and lay a trap. It’s simply not possible.
Laying a trap is not as simple as people think. What this will do is delay the attackers 45 or 20 seconds. That’s a good thing to promote defense/allow time to set up defense.
Guardian bubble/stability lay trap. Ele armor of Earth /Lay trap hit mistform…
lol disable rams/catas for 45 seconds. GG everyone, if this is true game is now officially broken.
So let me get this straight, you think attackers shouldn’t be hindered?
This sounds like it will help defenders, and the game needs something to help defense because right now it’s a thankless job. I’m waiting to see it’s impact.
In a keep with 1500 supplies it means you can disable the ennemy siege for 2 hours non stop.
Well, they merged the threads, which is the first step toward ignoring the community again.
… Second step: Make a post trying desperately to justify how ethically wrong it is to reply to a thread that is 1 month old, instead of locking those thread automatically.
I agree 300g for account bound tag is reasonable. But to charge 300g for something supposed to be QoL is just pure greedy.
It’s certainly not a game feature when your going to charge over 100$ of gems for all 4 colors. And 300g is too much even for account bound, most people only use the tag on 1 or 2 character. They shouldn’t have increased the price at all if they wanted to make it seem like a gift instead of a ripoff.
100% behind you but it won’t happen. From the interviews, when “errrrrght…..” is their only answer, it’s quite clear that the people behind the competitive modes do not want to implement GvG.
Was giving my gold away to my friends to help them make their legendary until they announced commander tag prices would go up 300% and you would need to buy them again for each colours. I thought I had all I needed with my, ascended gear, Bifrost and Incinerator. Just 10g in bank.
Dear Anet… I’m quite a fan of Guildwars2, but I’m really confused what’s going on here…
You asked our communities about desired changes to wvw, we told you we wanted different colored commander tags, so we could coordinate our gameplay and now this is what we are expected to get? 300g for an accountbound commander tag is high, but since it’s accountbound I can understand this high price. But each color has to be bought separatly? For 300g? That’s ridiculous… Our commanders spend most of their money to create superior siegeweaponry and now they have to pay that much for a simple feature we asked for nearly 2 years now? I’m speechless…
I know you might say “That’s a good goldsink…” and I know there’s too much gold ingame. But most of this gold is aquired in PvE, so please don’t take your gold from WvW-players…
Instead, you could make those colors available to high ranked wvw players or make them affordable with Badges of Honor, so that WvW-players can buy it, too…
Just to make sure… I’m not a wvw-only-player, I play pve most of the time, but it’s just unfair to those who wanted this feature that much… it’s like a slap into the face of all decent wvw-commanders. =(
Have you ever seen an Anet dev actually commanding an open field GvG? Nope…
For them a commander tag is like a trophy a rich guy gets for people to gather around and follow, EOTM Karma-train-style, nothing more.
Seriously. Totally against that price.
Make it account bound: OK but not necessary, people usually command with their main anyway
Charging 300g because it’s account bound: worse decision ever, what if I only need it one one character?
Paying the full price again for every color: This is humour? Is this a joke?
Seriously Anet, if your gonna make things account bound at least have the decency of not tripling the price. I only play my main, why charge 3 times more gold for something I will only use on one character?
And seriously, have to buy gain for every color? It’s a never-ending gold sink that won’t be able to make your game last longer without providing new content.
Surely the whole point of having different colours is so people don’t get confused who they’re supposed to be following around. Making someone pay another 300g just to have a different colour completely negates the ability for people to switch colours to suit the situation and who else is on the map.
Biggest utter fail in design history ever!
For 300g that tag is better be something else than just a photoshop hue change.
buy colored tags…..wow, that is just rude and makes no sense, so this idea has to be a joke.
IKR this looks like being yet another case of anet taking a good suggestion and completely kittening it up in implementation. Never mind the fact that it takes them close to a year to do something that was supposed to be a quick win.
If it comes out in the manner they just said its going to be a huge fail nobody will be able to afford. It seems their only intention is to keep people farming instead of playing.
You cant disguise something that cost 1500g as a “feature”. Is GW2 really just a “pay or farm to win” game now?
Add a functionality the community has been asking for since the beta and then make sure only those rich people playing the TP can use it first instead of those who need it to coordinate and improve the gameplay.
They’re probably just letting this game die slowly. The lack of WvW updates, having to fight the same matchups for 8 weeks in a row, megaservers and goal-less EOTM has fragmented the community to a point where most people are getting burned out. ON top of that even the new PvE content is lacking. Beside the new part of a zone everything feels like it’s been developed 2 years ago. Story wasn’t bad for the first 2 episodes of season 2 but then it became a snooze fest of waypointing.
Unless they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and show us that this LS was just the introduction to a complete expansion it’s easy to predict what will happen when the Fall games are released in the next months.
To be honest I was expecting much more than this when I bought the game, even if I’ve had an amazing time with it. GvG like in GW1 never came and I believed I would have new areas to explore in PvE like every months instead of once a year.
While casting churning earth while a thief has time to backstab you twice for 9k and your churning earth will only hit for like 6-7k if your lucky.
I don’t blame the thief class however. Eles die in mist form from conditions, meteor shower make a huge circle everyone jump out now (so our best skill is almost useless), skill recharge is ridiculous, channelling our higher dps skills takes 4 times longer than other classes for less damage, and unless we go full bunker we die in 2 hits.
You are doing it wrong.
Try to play a thief, it ain’t that easy against any semi-competent foe. D/D backstab builds have easy tells to dodge or blind C’n’D. Any shadow arts build (D/D and D/P mostly) can be wrecked by most necros via interrupts (Doom, warhorn, staff mark), weakness (traited DS, offhand dagger or SoS) and heavy damage pressure (both direct damage and conditions are very viable).
Condition thieves should be no problem: just let them put some on you, then give them back via e.g. dagger #4, staff #4 or Plague signet (most likely only the first two, since almost no useful necro build involves the signet).
Acro and trickery builds with sword mainhand are way harder to deal with due to evasiveness and good access to interrupts – your best bet is to play defensively, dodge or outrun their #3 skills, don’t waste Cooldowns during their evade frames, and estimate their initiative drain to then land your heavy hitters. Trickery D/P is quite hard to counter for most necros, I guess, but this is also why I prefer duo or group roaming over solo roaming, since you may rely on some support if things go south due to someone hard- or soft-countering your build.
I’m not doing it wrong, I just made a caricature of the poor balancing… I don’t blame the thief class either. I have a full ascended gear thief as well I use when I want to blow off some steam. The thief class can dodge out of your churning earth also btw, and has 4 freaking seconds to do so.
While casting churning earth while a thief has time to backstab you twice for 9k and your churning earth will only hit for like 6-7k if your lucky.
I don’t blame the thief class however. Eles die in mist form from conditions, meteor shower make a huge circle everyone jump out now (so our best skill is almost useless), skill recharge is ridiculous, channelling our higher dps skills takes 4 times longer than other classes for less damage, and unless we go full bunker we die in 2 hits.
just because anet has a plan, doesnt mean it is always a good one. The fractal reset is an example, its clear right now, that reseting people to 30 served very little purpose, and they will still have the same problems they were trying to solve (but did not) next time they want to add content/levels etc to fractals.
no one always has the right plan, one should not assume that people will always do everything right, just because they are paid to.
Oh Fractal reset…. yeah that was a bad decision. I’m not doing fractals anymore, specially since you still have no chance for a weapon skin drop.
If this is because you have new content coming… thanks in advance!
We’ve been very disappointing by the lack of content or announcements for WvW this year, but this feeling will just make new content even more welcomed, as it has been quite unexpected!
It’s been a while since they’ve announced anything but living story. Hope you guys announce something soon because if not your doing a great blizzard impression.
We’re all waiting for an expansion. It’s either this or they are letting the game die slowly to focus on the next one. The living Story doesn’t provide enough content and it is not challenging : We get a little story that last 2 hours, can be done easily and then we log off for 2 weeks.
Considering the total lack of commitment toward WvW this trailer leaves me more than disappointing about the direction this game is going toward. I do the PvE stuff waiting for new WvW content, but seriously it’s not even that interesting and it’s way too easy.
Specially Part 1, that was quite a disappointment.
At least last month we had new regions to explore, finally.
Episode 1 and 2 were fun because they had new content to explore. This new episode is just a revisiting of old areas with a few bits of dialogue… It does seem like a filler and the beginning of LS1. I was doing it on a new character without map completion and I had to waypoint and run for 5 minutes like 20 times. Not well conceived at all from that perspective, in my opinion.
If ranks were actually difficult or worthwhile to try to obtain…then sure.
I see that EotM minimap and…its basically free loot for filling a bar, for running around capping things which gives more free loot, while zerging mobs that give free loot….in a zone build for free clockwise free loot…
Wait a second….
I want better gameplay, not more effing handouts, this is laughable to complain about really.
Well to my defence, after spending 3 hours of WvW raid with my guild I only got from 997 to 999 (in WvW, because that’s what EXS do 6 days a week) I ended up at level 999, then I went to EOTM to rank up to 1000. So before calling everyone of taking part in EOTM karma trains you should think twice. Maybe at max 250 of those 1000 ranks might have been EOTM (I was rank 500 before EOTM came out) but who cares?..
The point is that the reward system doesn’t value long-term playing: complete randomization doesn’t feel rewarding.
23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…
I don’t think you know how necroing works.
You are not allowed to post in threads that have been “dead” (as in no new posts) for 30 days. Not threads that are 30 days old.
But 29 days is ok? Right… Seriously it’s ridiculous.
City State games have already communicated more about their plans with RvR in CU than Anet have with their plans for WvW 2 years after release. And CU havent even reached Alpha stage yet.
You mean just like how ArenaNet communicated much more before release?
That is basically what every single company does.
They communicate massively before and during release on order to get players interested, but sooner or later all of them communicates less and less.
I think you’ll find it’s the ones where they know their game is failing that refuse to reply to players.
Games which are still steadily going on, the devs and mod at least try to reply to some threads, or post updates every now and again on how the game development is, or isnt, going.
Honestly, just look at the amount of great games coming in fall/early winter. (not MMOs but great games none the less). GW2 has a life expectancy of 4-5 more months maximum if they only keep doing this boring LS crap (last episode I was literally yawning all the way through) and do not provide a worthy competitive expansion.
Even ESO has had 3 features patches and is starting to look quite tempting.
carfoulll…you r geting close to get infraction- or wte is that neme- taking about other games or saying that they dont change anything cosse of gems is a taboo for this foroum
dont forget that we have democracy…we can always agree with anet and how she work/treat on her game and the players
Your right, shouldn’t have mentioned another game… The reason I’m so disappointing about the lack of WvW development is only because I care about Guild Wars 2.
City State games have already communicated more about their plans with RvR in CU than Anet have with their plans for WvW 2 years after release. And CU havent even reached Alpha stage yet.
You mean just like how ArenaNet communicated much more before release?
That is basically what every single company does.
They communicate massively before and during release on order to get players interested, but sooner or later all of them communicates less and less.
I think you’ll find it’s the ones where they know their game is failing that refuse to reply to players.
Games which are still steadily going on, the devs and mod at least try to reply to some threads, or post updates every now and again on how the game development is, or isnt, going.
Honestly, just look at the amount of great games coming in fall/early winter. (not MMOs but great games none the less). GW2 has a life expectancy of 4-5 more months maximum if they only keep doing this boring LS crap (last episode I was literally yawning all the way through) and do not provide a worthy competitive expansion.
Even ESO has had 3 features patches and is starting to look quite tempting.
23 days of life left to this thread, then don’t forget to make a new one to pursue the discussion about how enthusiastic we are that they are making a WvW focussed expansion that will include a GvG game mode and this is why they’ve been silent for so long…
Again, if there is a an older thread about a topic you still wish to discuss, just start a new thread. Copy and Paste the thing if you want. If there is a thread talking about an update that was never realized more than 30 days ago. Don’t necro the thread to say “It’s been X months since they told us this was coming! WTH is it!?” Just start a new one with the OP as “It’s been X months since they told us this was coming! WTH is it!?”. It’s not that difficult to understand.
When did responding to an old thread became unacceptable? On what rules of ethics are you basing yourself upon to come to such a view?
2 things are possible:
Either (1) they totally gave up on GW2 and are making another game, staying silent to increase the game longevity or (2) they are silent before an expansion announcement. I could be totally wrong, but it seems to me that the new LS is old content they were keeping to fill a production time period; the last episode was identical in story-telling techniques to LS1 and taking place in low level areas.
On the topic of temporary content:
Charging near 10$ for an endless continue coin for SAB and then remove the content for a year… It’s perhaps ok to remove content, but it’s not ok to remove it when people have invested money into it (therefore paid for it).
GvG? As you said, never gonna happen. They avoid the question like plague.
You mean something as fun as GvG was in Guild Wars 1? Anet would have to reevaluate their priorities for the long-term longevity of this game instead of the short-term Gem store cash revenues.
At this point i think we should try to move the WvW community somewhere else. Everyone in this forum should put in his signature the community address site and just hop in here to say " the discussion is here…"
maybe in a forum where :
1) we are not censored
2) the forum search functions works
3) where ppl can read all your concern without warring of the policy.
i mean…. we get no feedback….no progress… what the point to waste time write here?
what do you think?
tnx all
Might as well since this forum is just getting insulting with all the infractions.
