Yeah this was discussed to great length when the original change was made. People even broke it done path by path just like you did, but anyone who actually runs the paths daily already knows the rewards are out of whack based on length and difficulty.
Unfortunately, all your work of typing all this out won’t make a difference since it falls on deaf ears over at anet. Then again you can’t really call it deaf ears since anet doesn’t actually come to the dungeon forums, more like turning a blind eye?
even if you thought i did rage quit…. at least wait 5 minutes before kicking. i was literally offline for less than 2 minutes. ;/ but yea i know all about these pug issues and it’s really sad. you never know when a good run would turn into kitten and you just end up wasting so much of your time over nothing.
I usually do wait about 5 minutes if someone suddenly goes offline before kicking. I know disconnects happen.
But, as Nike said, if you had already wiped a few times, people get frustrated and after PUGing dungeons for so long, I can see the other side of it as well. Sometimes you just have to stop and try and see it from the other side of the table.
Mel, this is the best fitting signature for a forum-input i read so far.
Would be far closer to the truth if changed from “everyone” to “anyone”, but good none-the-less.
coming soon to a gem store near you………..
lol there is nothing that says you ahve to do fractals. Please do not remove the only content in the game that is even remotely challenging. Stop whining and stay out of fractals and go back to your “1,1,1,1,1,1” zerged events.
i am agree with you, i do not want fractals to be removed.
i want the agony damage to expressed in another more creative form.
It can’t just happen with no reason!what is agony? what is agony? what is agony?
Are you seriously annoyed by agony because it makes no sense to you? It sounds like there is a far deeper rooted issue that you are overlooking when QQing about the subject.
I find it hard to believe that you would completely change your stance on agony if it was something that was more “creative”. Fractals are a strange place where strange things happen. Agony doesn’t have to “make sense”, it’s just another condition that is applied to you in the course of going through to stabilize the fractals.
Some people do have multiple copies of the game. One account for NA and the other for EU.
Also, I am still not seeing how the resolution to this “problem” is unfair to anyone. Anet pulled the skin, is redoing it and introducing it back into the store and at that point anyone can get their gems back if they aren’t happy with it. What is so unfair about that?
The main thing I’ve seen with regards to that is people saying they bought gems ONLY for the Flamekissed armor, and wouldn’t have bought gems at all if it weren’t for that. They don’t want anything else in the Gem Store (and I guess don’t expect to ever want anything else ever again) so they feel the refunded gems are just going to go to waste since they can’t keep the one thing they specifically purchased them for. They feel they bought a specific item with real money, are having the item taken away, and aren’t getting their real money back but rather “useless” gems.
I can see where those people are coming from, but at the same time, they didn’t actually spend real money on the item directly. They spent real money on gems, with the intention of buying the item with the gems they purchased. And there’s a disclaimer that says gems are not refundable, once you buy ‘em its a done deal. If it were a direct sale, they directly bought the item with cash, then they ought to get cash back for it. But since they bought the gems first and only used gems to buy the item, that’s what comes back. Its just the way “go-between” currencies like game money or gift cards work.
I can see why people would get upset if they bought gems for the sole purpose of buying that armor. However, as you stated, you are buying gems, not armor with your money. It is one of the risks you take when converting money into in game currency.
I still find it VERY hard to believe there are so many people who bought gems for this one specific set of armor and they have absolutely nothing else now or ever they could spend those gems on. While there is a legitimate gripe to some extent, the amount of QQing about this matter is WAY over the top.
why would it look like i rage quit when we were doing great and almost killing the boss? doesn’t make sense. and i don’t rage quit on the last boss fractal.
Nike is right. If you were doing great but still went down and died, then suddenly left it would look like a rage quit to me. It is sad, but it happens all the time.
I usually have pretty good luck with PUGs. Sometimes though you just have to accept that people are kittens. Just last night I was PUGing COE. We got to the 2nd alpha fight in P2 where you stack by that pillar. On the first or second AOE strike the same three people kept going down because they weren’t dodging properly. On our fifth attempt, one guy had the nerve to blame me, telling me I wasn’t stacking tight enough for his liking. So, I bit my tongue and stood exactly where he wanted me to and repeated the process. Lo and behold, same thing happened they all downed eventually leaving me trapped in a crystal and dead as well for the sixth time. Three people rage quit, we grabbed some new guys, beat alpha in like 30 seconds, blew through the rest of the path, did a P3 in the blink of an eye and all went on our merry way.
See, although for most people this would be useful…As with the fractal update…the 1% of people who had multiple lvl 48s were punished for putting in game time.
Same would happen if they made Story mode account bound. The casuals get a bonus, and the hardcore players have more of their effort scrapped.
I get what your saying, but it really is better for everyone involved if all these things were account bound. Even for you if you decide to have more alts you won’t have to do it all over again.
Thanks for the info.
Nothing really interesting though for me, except maybe BL Keys and Bank slot or bag space expansions.
I would buy the salvage o matic, if i wouldnt have it already. It seems to be bugged since the Fractured Patch and salvages upgrades at a rate of Master Salvage Kits now.
OR maybe Zomorros just blessed me with some lucky RNG.
Come on Wanze, you aren’t trying to find a strange pattern in RNG are you? Or buying into a conspiracy theory about some bug that does strange things?
Thank you Evon!!
I really wanted to waste some gems on more RNG and now that it’s 20% off I feel much better doing it. You, sir, are a true gentlemanly scholar and politician.
Actually, I do work and go to school in the real world. At all levels, treating people fairly is the cornerstone of building and maintaining successful and profitable relationships for everyone involved.
I guess it is all in your perception of what is fair and what is not. The people who complained didn’t think it was fair that the armor looked exactly like the T3 armor that cost them loads of gold/karma.
Also, I am still not seeing how the resolution to this “problem” is unfair to anyone. Anet pulled the skin, is redoing it and introducing it back into the store and at that point anyone can get their gems back if they aren’t happy with it. What is so unfair about that?
It isn’t “life” that is treating the people affected by this unfairly. It is the people at ArenaNet that are treating them unfairly.
My point was directed to the OP who’s entire rant was about how unfair the whole situation was. He/she not only went on a tirade about fairness and JUSTICE (which keep in mind here we are still talking about a skin in an online video game), but his whole post was filled with inaccuracies about the situation and could have been completely avoided had he literally taken 5 minutes to read through the forums. My point was, life isn’t fair and it doesn’t matter if it’s anet’s doing or random circumstance. Furthermore, life is full of things that aren’t fair and the sooner you accept that and move on, the happier you will be.
Take a deep breath and commit yourself to dealing with others fairly, considering their needs and wants, and looking for ways to fulfill both their needs and yours. It will, over time, improve your quality of life and the quality of life of those around you and curb your desire to make rage filled posts.
Oh irony is so beautiful. You mean like taking into consideration the needs and wants of all the people who spent tons of currency on T3 armor only to have anet release a skin that is the same for 1000 gems?
Additionally, my post had nothing to do with rage. If you are referring to my sickness of people constantly crying about being treated unfairly, that isn’t rage. It’s just getting old listening to all the QQing about every little thing, especially things people find unfair, justified or not.
There isn’t THAT much stuff in the gem store. Take a look around and find some stuff you like. You aren’t going to be able to purchase anything that will improve your toons stats or make him more powerful as everything is basically cosmetics (skins).
I will advise you not to buy any RNG stuff like Black Lion keys. Most people who purchase them regret it in the end. I also think stuff like the boosters are a waste as you tend to accumulate those from chests and events anyway.
I really like the unlimited harvesting tools, but I think the only one left in the store atm is the axe. You could also check out the armor or town clothes skins.
I have to agree with OP. I try to enjoy fractals especially because I love the weapons but nope, still not enjoying this content. Skipping this living story and enjoying WvW happily until maybe better content. I personally have really enjoyed most of the living story ideas especially the Sanctum stuff and Aetherblades but so far Fractals is still just way to frustrating and relies too much on group composition, everyone knowing exactly what to do and when to do it. Its just too “pro” for someone that likes individual skill challenges and the occasional pick up groups.
And that is perfectly fine. Not every update will appeal to every person who plays the game.
I hated the tower content, yet I still suffered through for the achieves and didn’t come QQing on the forums how we should get rid of it.
And as for gear i already know my old pure zerker off by heart and already had the exotic trinks and rare backpieces all zerker and all with zerker components in them that’s what gives my current class most of it’s damage the rest comes from traits but The also the reason i thought it’s take a couple days instead of buying it because i only ever play exotics (lvling my fractles atm to get ASC stuff) but yeah i can change to full zerker and if you’re one of the people that get really mad in all the time i’m sorry but i don’t want to run with you we wouldn’t make any mistakes therefore you wouldn’t get mad but when i was new to guild wars (just hitting 80) those people did nothing but yell at you for every mistake when it’s your first time in the dungeon without even telling you what to do.
I have never personally seen anyone get made at someone new to a dungeon path UNLESS they don’t speak up at the beginning and say they are new to the path. People always think they can get by without saying something, but often times there is at least one spot that you can tell they have never been there before.
Bagel, How dare you try to mention upcoming “kitten OFF THE WORLD” when we are still all venting on all the other things that are kitten ING OFF THE WORLD!
HAHAHA I saw that and all I could think was… “wow, are they trying to get everyone to go play other games or what”
Not seeing the gripe here. Now you don’t have to level each character in WvW individually.
So many people cry that anet is alt unfriendly, they change WvW to be account bound, which is very alt friendly and you still have a reason to complain?
Not sure there is anything anet could do to make everyone happy.
Consider that this is posted in a Fractal thread.
Turkey coma has shut down my sarcasm detector. Will restart first thing in the morning.
I think Vas is right. I don’t remember you ever being able to open anything higher than your personal level. I think the OP is just confused.
I’m a vet fotm player, I was able to open higher fotm lvs if another party member was in LA in my server while he/she had a higher lv for me to open.
Well I did say I didn’t remember it being possible.
Wouldn’t be the first ninja nerf/change anet made in the game.
I can’t commit to every single day. I usually play around 730-1200 CST, but not every night. I also run a zerk warrior currently at personal level 14. Would gladly fill in when needed. After last nights horrible attempt at trying to run a simple level 15, I would love to at least have some decent people to run with.
Add me in game: crankked
Guess we will find out tomorrow. I don’t think anet specifically mentioned anything about it.
I’m sure the people that have used up 100’s of keys will be happy to hear how lucky you are. (protip: no one cares)
Weapon skins are tied to the living stories. My guess is the next set will be wintersday skins in December. They are always 1 ticket during the time in which the event spans and then the price goes up to 5 tickets. So, if you want the skin, get it during the event or pay a much higher price.
Well, nothing like getting into a fit of rage, coming on the forums, taking NO time at all to see the other 458192 threads about this, starting a new one and making no sense at all based on what anet said was going to take place with the new armor set.
Lilith already mentioned. But, had you taken more than 2 seconds to actually read about it, you would know there will be no exclusivity to this armor set.
On to the topic of fairness. I am really getting sick of all the people who cry foul on things not being “fair”. Seriously, do any of you people actually go out in the real world and have actual real lives where you go to work or school? Please tell me how fair everything in your life is. There is a reason people say “life isn’t fair”, it’s because, often times, it is not. The sooner you realize that the happier person you will be and you won’t make nonsensical, rage filled posts.
I think Vas is right. I don’t remember you ever being able to open anything higher than your personal level. I think the OP is just confused.
Fascinating. Sounds like the opposite of what they feel.
It’s opposite day today, didn’t you know? Say one thing and then do the complete opposite. =)
Bagel, How dare you try to mention upcoming “kitten OFF THE WORLD” when we are still all venting on all the other things that are kitten ING OFF THE WORLD!
HAHAHA I saw that and all I could think was… “wow, are they trying to get everyone to go play other games or what”
Not seeing the gripe here. Now you don’t have to level each character in WvW individually.
So many people cry that anet is alt unfriendly, they change WvW to be account bound, which is very alt friendly and you still have a reason to complain?
Not sure there is anything anet could do to make everyone happy.
i don’t want fractals to be removed. i enjoy the short story and it’s divisibility.
what i want is the agony damage to be represented as other form of damage and can be overcome by player’s skill.
i want the damage shown as some kind of consequence of their acts but do not just shown with completely no reason.
it make me feels like : “hey, these players are too easy to overcome the fractals, let’s reduce their health. but how? whatever, let’s just give it a name called agony, and tell players it is a challenging.”ok, i know your points now. it really sounds silly for people who believe the only way to get legendary is by farm.
removing tp and hence some people can’t acquire wealth by it is interesting.
because some of these people are actually helping the market to be healthy by setting the price of every item correct.If there are no such players, these kind of tp “profit” still exist to some buyer and seller, they just don’t know, understand or notice that.
With some tp profit maker’s effort, everyone can instantly buy or sell any item in a correct, reasonable price, and no need to worry whether the price is too high or too low etc.
I don’t want to turn this into a TP argument, I was just trying to make a point.
As far as agony goes. You can avoid almost every attack by knowing when to dodge just like any other encounter in the game. Agony is part of fractals. You don’t see it in any other part of the game because it is a defining part of what fractals are. Based on your argument of:
“it make me feels like : “hey, these players are too easy to overcome the fractals, let’s reduce their health. but how? whatever, let’s just give it a name called agony, and tell players it is a challenging.”"
This can be said about pretty much the whole game but in reverse. All anet seemingly ever does is say “hey, this is too easy for players so let’s add a ton of HP to every boss and throw in a ton of one shot mechanics and call it challenging”. Agony is basically just the reverse of that. It takes your health down arbitrarily rather than adding it to enemies and if you don’t dodge those one shot mechanics, your done.
I think your real problem is that there are almost no truly creative game mechanics that are fun and interesting.
I guess I would disagree to some extent. Higher level fractals are/never were meant for casuals. They are meant for people who take the time to AR infuse their items and progress in a manner that it takes to reach those higher levels.
Lower level fractals are just as casual friendly as they always have been. In fact, with this new release, they are too casual friendly right now. I can’t even get a decent PUG group for lvl 15 these days because people are joining fractals they shouldn’t be. On a side note, who seriously is at lvl 15 and doesn’t know how to at least follow directions in fractals like Cliffside?
Fractals are suppose to be high end pve content. You are basically asking them to make it easier, so some of your friends don’t get “left behind”. I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but it’s too bad if that happens. You either take the time and effort to increase your AR level so you can progress, or you find something else to do. I don’t see how anyone is being punished here.
And people still try to disagree with your build advice!
Nice job guys, very impressive.Looking forward to your tips and insight.
That’s because my cleric’s staff, ranging camping AH guard is always the last one standing picking up you silly zerker warrior’s while still putting out top notch DPS.
Didn’t you know?
/sarcasm
I play how I want!!!
Wow this thread is really pointless. The statistic is completely wrong & the people complainig about “AR is a farm” while they have multiple legendaries are hypocrites.
Don’t like them, don’t do them. I seriously haven’t read such a nuisance in this Forum for quite a while.who said it is necessary to be a farmer so that you can get legendary?
i got my gift of finance concept and tacit in real life, and i use it in gw2.I got my 2 legendary by.. maybe 15 day. So what?
Is it a must to be a farmer to get legendary?
NO!!
Acedragonz point was people (like you) grind for legendaries and then come here and say that fractals are a grind? Sounds silly and hypocritical.
Even if you played the TP for the gold to get your legendaries, you still had to grind for a long time playing the TP to get the item(s) you wanted. The even more comical thing about this is you aren’t even playing GW2 to obtain the items you wanted. Sure, the TP is part of the game, but it’s not what the game really is. It’s an MMO, not a day trader simulator.
Why don’t we just remove the TP because some people don’t like that fact that others use it to acquire wealth? Isn’t that basically the argument in this thread? If someone doesn’t like one part of the game, we should remove it? It’s only logical considering the OP’s silly point of view.
It’s pretty amusing that instead of fixing a bug, they completely change an entire path. Guess they have a lot of time on their hands.
Did the Nova fractal at lvl 15. Beat the boss but never got tele’d to the chest room. Tried wiping numerous times to hopefully unglitch it. Just more untested fail on anet’s part. Maybe in a week or forty they will get around to fixing some of this stuff.
If you get people at lvl 15 who still have NO clue how to do fractals, your in for a long night.
Yes, that happened to me (3 times) and, yes it was a long night.
As for the shockwaves, it must be bad timing on your jumps. I don’t ever have a problem jumping them. I usually run toward them and jump rather than trying to stand still or run away and jump.
Man people need to take the time to read the site before posting 100’s of threads like this on a consistent basis.
The set was taken out of the gem store because people were complaining that the skins too closely resembled another skin set. Anet admitted the problem and took the skins out of the store to be redesigned and released at a future time.
The dolphin section is my most hated part of this entire game. Every time I do it, I hate it even more. It’s just another garbage 1-2 shot mechanic, but wait…..you are in the form of a dolphin so it’s “different”.
AkGeo is right though, the point is the stealth nature of that part.
How many are you getting per run now? Honestly, I never paid too much attention to it, but I do know that you never got them all in the final chest. You would always get them little here and there with a large lump at the end. Was it suppose to be 60 relics like all other dungeon paths?
Will run fractals and keep an eye on how many I get.
I beg to differ, my PVT minion Master necro does around 4 to 5k in a full cycle of dagger hits and minion smacks. With no minions up I still hit about 2k and some change with a full dagger rotation. 460×460×1280
None of this is counting siphon damage which is about 34 a hit, per minion and dagger smack. It’s also not counting stat food or bloodlust buff on my dagger being stacked
On top of that having 29k HP and 1.9k toughness usually means i’m the last one up and i’ve finished several bosses by myself after the group died, unlike a full berserker who has a stiff fart blow their way to topple them
This post has so much fail in it that the thread is on the verge of implosion.
My zerker warrior who “Dies from farts in the wind” will put out more DPS in 15 seconds then your minion necro will for 15 minutes. High toughness and HP mean so little in dungeons when a high percentage of boss attacks can wipe that out in 1-2 shots anyway. But, I guess it is pretty hard to die when camping at 1200 range while us silly zerker’s do all the work of taking away the boss’s HP.
(edited by cranked.3812)
Sorry, I received the distinct impression the OP was using the “sell everything in the gem shop since nothing is off limits anymore” irony that became prevalent in different threads about the flamekissed armor.
TL;DR I don’t think the OP actually wanted Anet to sell legendary footprints in the gem shop.
Ahh, you could be right. Sarcasm isn’t always detected through the internet.
Did it on lvl 10 last night.
We got hit right at the beginning for sure with a few stacks as we walked into the room.
Also, the wave for sure hits with agony, you need to jump over it.
Anything else, I am not entirely sure.
This has been brought up a lot in the past.
I agree, SM is boring and unrewarding when doing it more than once.
not really, well kind of.. but i don’t see any reason for them to lower the amount of relics you get.
and sure i’m annoyed by it, but for those that haven’t got their fractal backpiece at all? it was already a timesink, now its going to be alot worse for ppl new to fractals
Not sure why they would lower the amount of relics you get. Maybe because they added other loot drops, like +1 infusions in all the chests.
As to your last sentence there. That “reasoning” is getting old. Frankly, it’s too bad if it’s more of a grind for newer players. The game changes constantly and if they nerf something a year after release, people will just have to get used to it as it is the new norm.
I recall it happening very rarely, and I’ve been doing lvl 48 daily for months. Now it happens every single time and I don’t see a purpose with it. It does not make the fight harder, just prolongs it and makes it super annoying.
Anet’s philosophy of making things more challenging is to add as much HP to bosses as possible and create mechanics that do nothing but make a fight longer and more boring rather than interesting and creative.
Having said that, what happened here might just be a bug. I can’t remember ever running that fractal and not having the stones to throw at him.
I ran fractals last night (lvl 10) with a guildy and some PUG’s. We got dredge on our third fractal. It didn’t go real well at first. Had one guy who had never done fractals before and my guildy who was leveling his ele (he eventually had to switch over to his lvl 80 guard). After losing some bads and gaining a thief and another warrior who knew what they were doing, it was smooth sailing the rest of the way.
I won’t complain about the fractal because I don’t think it’s that bad other than the length, which as has been said many times before, it’s just disproportionately long compared to most of the other fractals. One thing that made me mad last night was the aggro mechanics though. I was literally 100b’ing a vet dredge in the face and somehow he was still aggro’d on the guy on the console, not allowing him to do it.
Some changes we noticed:
1) I think they actually added more dredge at the beginning. I feel like there were 20 dredge patrolling by the spawn and up on the first platform.
2) Before you could die on the switches. Last night, when people were dying, they were blowing us off the switches.
3) Had someone show me another spot to glitch into the room without having to do the first 2 switches. I don’t think it’s worth the headache and time of doing it, but seriously anet, another glitched spot that people can skip on the same fractal?
You can jump over the waves just like you could during the LS release of the molten facility.
They did fix the ability to stack under the boss like you could in the LS part. We tried and with one pounce we all insta-downed.
Buttercup, what does that have to do with what the OP is talking about?
This topic again?
It’s not going to change, get over it.
Seriously though, do you have 4 8-slot bags? I almost never have full bags even after 2 or sometimes 3 runs in a dungeon. The last time I can remember seeing the “your full” was during the prime of the scarlet invasions. Quickest way to make room though is just hit “deposit Collectibles”, usually frees up at least 5 slots, which is plenty to grab the last chest before having it close on you.
I did not respond sooner because i wanted a chance to try all the suggestions. As it stands from the time of my first post it has been around three days.
I have put to use some of the suggestions made and have gotten zero out of it.
I see the Same cap points that i have been seeing for months (colors did not rotate sorry if you think they did)
I am going to keep waiting and keep watching. And months from now when i come back with proof that the points on my map are NOT rotation. Then maybe i can get some actual help.
The colors will only change once a week (every Friday on reset). Check the link provided and see what color you will be next week. I have also been waiting for colors to change. We got red this week and I was able to grab what I needed and according to the chart, we will be green next week allowing me to finish world completion.
Hang in there and have a little more patience. Best time to log in, check the map and try to grab the points is during the Friday night reset.
Leveling isn’t that hard to begin with, it doesn’t need to be made easier or enter the realm of “easy to buy an 80.”
You can already do this via crafting; I see no reason to not have this convenience at the gem store level as well.
This^
@OP: 400 gems for 1 level? That is way too high. That comes to around 20+ gold. I can craft 7 levels for half that. What would justify 400 gems for one tome?
More along the lines of 40 gems per is much more reasonable and in line with what it already takes to get the job done. And, if you go the crafting route, you at least get an additional benefit of having your skill at 400 on top of the levels gained.
1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.
2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.
And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:
1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?
2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?
For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty
I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:
You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.
I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.
But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.
Look I to tired to look it up but I asked if we we’re supposed to be on scale 80 10 1/2 months ago when we were there no Response came from a dev so you can’t blame me for going there since the devs didn’t tell us we shoulnd’t go there. So I am rightfully there to my best knowledge if you study law you will understand
Studying law has nothing to do with this. If you actually study law, you would know that what you see in the courtroom and something as simple as common sense don’t even go hand in hand.
What Kilandros is saying is, the devs never meant for people to go to level 80. It was NOT original game design intent and therefore, there was no reward intent at that level. You made it there, which is great in it’s own right, but since it wasn’t intended, anet is fixing the mixtake they made and resetting levels.
All of this doesn’t matter anyway because the new, better reward structure starts at 30+.
The only reason to level to 500 is to craft your own ascended stuff or if you really want the achievement points for grandmaster.
Having said that, you never know what they will release down the line, but you can always do the crafting if something new comes out. Also, I can’t imagine precursor crafting wouldn’t involve level 500 crafting.