Guild Wars 2

This was originally going to be a reply but decided It would fit best as a discussion.

CoF P1 Farm is one of the best ways to make gold but only Mesmers/Warriors can do it. giving an “unfair” financial advantage over other people/classes looking to make some gold while play their class, so.. the question is:

Should Warrior/Mesmer be allowed to be “richer” than other people ? is this consider an exploit ? should it be nerfed ?

keep in mind:

• We all know any class can do CoF (Just not as fast)
• One of the points for the “Quickness” nerf was that people were using TW to skip over game content(CoF could have been a direct factor on the quickness nerf )
• by nerf, i mean. should it get the AC treatment?
• Which legendary do you see the most?

Please keep the discussion clean and constructive :]!

SotG seems to be still a growing concept that can evolve, this month’s SoTG will be held on the 26th, the same day monthly updates usually take place. If they go on the show and talk about the actual updates of that day, give a reason as to why that’s being nerfed, what’s new? talk about their vision of where each class and where it’s headed, as well as taking collected feedback from the players would be something amazing for the game!

hopefully that’s where they are headed! :]

Thanks :]

and yes, just the fact that i did not have to explain and you knew what i was talking about means something. I also think this would help balance the game-play over all.

Adding a vulnerable time for Mesmer would give people a chance to fight back. Theif might hit hard but when they are not in stealth, they “vulnerable”, easy to catch, low hp, very squishy. But Mesmers can just continue creating illusions, and by the time the average player finds the real one, it’s already too late.

• Tone down “Mug” damage on Thief, it hits too hard for a 10 point trait.

• Tone down on Earth’s Embrace on Eles. Stun breaker/protection/stability at the same time is too much for a 10 point trait. or make it like Warrior’s “Endure Pain”, so that if you use the skill. the trait goes on a 90s cd.

• Add a short internal cool down (2-3s Max) where mesmers can’t create illusions after using shatter skills.

You shouldn’t change for other people, specially online characters. If you have good grammar, USE IT! :]

This as an Engineer shield would be awesome as well as it would also complement our hobo look! +1! Put it! even if it is on the gemstore so i can give you my money anet!

they were unprepared. and they also hinted at things such a MUG/Shatter balance, which did not end up happening while at the same time boosting subjects such as “we just had an engineer’s turret meeting”! , “there are a lot of notes” which at the end turned all this hipe into grief once the real update came out..

wow, I’m speechless. this was well thought out and 100% true, there is not one word I would disagree with. much respect for you Hsinimod.

the current sPvP community seem to be too small to afford something like this. this is exactly why r8 are being ranked up against 40+ on tPvP.

once anet Anet adds more incentives/rewards and gets people to PvP more, this could be a solution, they already do it on GW1 where if you leave games then you get “Dishonorable” and you’re unable participate in any form of PvP for a certain period of time. also you have to stay in the same map in order for dishonorable to run out, cause if you switch map, the timer just resets.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Is there any chance at all that you can improve the current salvaging system?

My wrist hurts ;_;

1001% AGREEE!!!!

They should allow us to waste PvP items on Mystic Forge or at least add a PvP Merchant where you can just trash them!!

I want dyes >.>! Most rewarding thing from chest!

on GW1 every class could have 15+ viable different builds! but most people chose the meta! but this did not make any of the other builds bad or not viable :P

Ostricheggs.3742:

it IS actually OP. There are no rivals at what it does. It kills the kitten out of everything with no remorse.

In top tier tournaments I win 90% of all even fights and 1v1s. Team fighting is a breeze.

The build is insane, but also takes a lot of practice. I am pretty sure it will get nerfed next patch, so have fun while you can!

Just wondering, since you’re 1 of the main persons behind the HGH build. what will you do if they do in fact nerf it ? what’s your backup build ? will you still play the class ? etc :]

yup, thanks Hsinimod :]

GW2 have to face 3 major problems before it can actually become an Esport

1. Making PvP more rewarding, currently the sPvP community is REALLY small. Even on weekends there is normally only 15-20 servers.
2. Class balance, No one will take the game seriously when the game is so strongly dominated by some classes.
3. More game modes, people want annihilation but until balance is reached they can’t add it (PvP would be 50% thief 50% mesmers otherwise )

GW1 was a lot closer to being Esport. it has more game modes, better meta’s and flexibility.. some people are gonna argue “BUT THEY HAVE MONKS”! but i do not agree that’s the reason, it’s all about balance, i do understand some classes are entitle to have more burst, but i do not agree they should kill so much faster compared to other classes, and then have easy aces to unstoppable finishers.

Also, gw1 PvP have more depth which GW2 Lacks. there is not interrupting critical skills such a ress. and no down state is not the same since every class is different. a ranger can ress himself even with 20+ stacks of bleeds and players constantly attacking them etc while other classes like engi have a completely useless down state.

there is no meta.. like hexway, RaO etc. in gw2 there is not team structure of specific roles, specially since some classes can do everything themselves and have an innate advantage Vs most classes.

but yea.. the curret gw2 meta revolves around and explicitly around damage. if you can deal damage and survive, you’re golden. and some class mechanics make it easier such a stealth, clones, which grants the user survival while at the same time allowing them to spec for more damaging builds. thats why these classes are currently considered strong i think

but yea im bored.. haha

But….. Paragon on GW1 sucked, that’s why Anet they gave them imbagon and never looked at them again.

I doubt Anet will bring such an unsuccessful class into gw2 but… Dervish could be a possibility i think! scythes seem like a weapon many classes could use as well but.. Upcoming races seem to be Kodan and Tengu..

Kodan is said to be a spiritual race, meaning it could have something spirit related such as the ritualist.

While Tengu have always been a fighter class, so could we expect some brass knuckles ? :]

Turrets are OP on sPvP!! they can perfectly kill a warrior :]

haha waka bro that first paragraph didn’t make sence, i just woke up lol

what i meant to say is that they will not directly nerf HGH since the community is still upset about KR. what they might do is prevent runes that increase might duration from stacking with 1 another. this would be an game wide nerf so they wouldn’t feel guilty for destroying another engi build

Agree with penguin, they won’t nerf HGH, or any might stacking build itself, but rather nerf the way runes stacks might duration.

Also, theif can get 25 mights easier than any other class, they just have soo much burst damage that they don’t need it.. they get 15s mights on every dodge on a minor trait, and 15s might while in stealth, and activating a signet gives them 5 might for 5s. a 25 might spike is really easily achieved, specially for S/P

Warriors can also perma 25 might, Guardians, Necros, ele all by using the x3 20% might runes

I wish the people knew the truth about “you” and stopped giving you attention, no offence but pretty much every thread you comment becomes ruined afterwards

I would be ban for being a gold farmer! ( if i had a million gold )

Pfft! Engineer’s down state wins!!!! We get to pull enemies to us so they can finish us faster!!

Well, some constructive criticism coming up:

HGH will most likely not be nerfed! but not because Ele’s can do it too, but rather because it’s a simple build, easy to balance and does not kill too fast.

It’s been made clear than just because another class can do it, does not mean that the engineer should do it, isn’t that the reason they Deleted 100nades while keeping backstab/shatters,etc untouched ?
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But IF they were going to nerf it! this is how i think they are going to do it!!

Developer: Great news Engineer community! Elixir Gun skills’ will now act as actual elixirs and therefore trigger all respective elixir traits!! CONGRATULATIONS!! oh yea… also, we’ve also done a little balancing…

• HGH: Might duration changed to 5s
• Cleaning Formula 409: added 20s internal cool down
• Acidic Elixirs: 50% damage increase!!

We felt that with the changes to Elixir Gun, these traits would be close to being too powerful, so we’ve added more utility!

umm true! they could change it or…

Here is a crazy conspiracy theory to talk about!

===>What if… Anet later decided to nerf HGH?

Developer: Great news Engineer community! Elixir Gun skills’ will now act as actual elixirs and therefore trigger all respective elixir traits!! CONGRATULATIONS!! oh yea… also, we’ve also done a little balancing…

• HGH: Might duration changed to 5s
• Cleaning Formula 409: added 20s internal cool down
• Acidic Elixirs: 50% damage increase!!

We felt that with the changes to Elixir Gun these traits would be close to being too powerful, so we’ve added more utility!

It all depends of where. in PvE/WvW it would not be OP and in sPvP, it would be annoying to fight. Yes, but only because of net turret.

other than that, turrets don’t have nearly as much damage as illusions, are not nearly as spammable or provide anywhere near as much utility, they die same as fast, 3/5 utility turrets have short range and more importantly, they cannot follow you!

some people will say that turrets are good for point holding on tPvP. but in reality they are mostly strong vs warriors.

Are they are holding the SoTG the same day as major update? the 26th

fiftypercentgrey.7108:

Terrahero.9358:

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So what, we need to sit here and cheer that the turret i never use now does 10% more dmg to a target i dont want it to attack?

This.

Not that I am an unhappy engineer. I just don’t get the turret buffs from the last patch. Or maybe I don’t get the turrets in this game.

Everyone is (was) upset. Personally i had expected to play engineers using turrets & gadgets. that’s what i thought at launch, BUT at the end. We, engineer’s turned out to be army drop outs working as plumbers with a weird fetish for magical potions (elixirs).

Really tho, what annoyed the most is how much boosting they had. “we’re holding engineer’s turrets only meeting” , “we have lots of patch notes”, “we’ll add more utility” etc.. and it turns out 90% nerfs were negative.

waka.9826:

Anyone who thinks SD build is even half decent is probably a terrible engineer.

As most engineers builds, it all comes down to whoever is playing it! ;]

Bounce and damage wise. Yes, it is similar to thief short bow with the difference that you can use this on a burst (fire many at the same time), which should be reason enough to add a 1-20s cooldown on it.

heheh countless people have push this idea in the past, including myself on a huge post! sadly a large portion of the spoken engineer community whom have had little to no play with turrets will argue to death against this idea because turrets are so “OP”! and rather settle for a 3s cripple. so devs have simply ignored!

would love the idea tho! this was my old post just in case you’re interested. Click me!

Doomdesire.9365:

The closed gate in Crystal Desert is probably not going to be openable until an expansion is released to kill that crystal dragon(No clue how to spell his name)

They moved thanks to a Tsunami and currently live in Dominion of Winds & Maguuma Jungle!

oh and next dragon, 99% sure, it will be Primordus. Also we should see lots of rock rock dwarf coming from withing earth coming to fight the dragon!

Tengu gathered, built their own city and further advance their culture to that of an advance specie such a human, norn, charr etc! and they will most likely be the new races avaible on the upcoming gw2 expansion ( which Anet is currently NOT working on) along side the Kodan

Tengu Info Here

LotuS.4378:

Good side of Engi?

90% of community underestimate us in WvW/sPvP/tPvP, and then BOOM! they are dead.

haha support this one 100%! not many know how to fight us or what to expect! love being the underdog and we’re fun!! also we can adapt to any situation just by changing 1 skills ( kit )!

Try this:

Go on the GW2 Wiki and find the engineer traits! ( complete list ) and read the grandmaster traits only!

On TEXT , they look good, like they could be useful! but once you get on the game and try them… its a complete different story!

Traits will not be fixed, until and influential person on Anet sits down and plays with the engineers, cause as long as they only read the tool tips! they will assume the class is “FINE”

You could try switching the healing skill, Med kit is currently 1 of the strongest healing skills in the game. as well as provides condi removal/swiftness/fury

sometimes it’s best to adapt and change skills rather than ask for a “balance”, specially if you look at the track record of engineer “balances”. if tried to balance Elixir H will probably end up looking something like this:

Drink Elixir H to damage yourself for 50k, if you miraculously survive, you will be healed by 1.250hp! and gain one of these random buff next time you’re hit "

warrior: instantly down you
guardian: deletes your character
Mesmer: Deletes your account
Rangers: Turn you into a tree.
Engineer: Both accounts will be banned and deleted.

does Adrenal Implant + vigor stack ? ( 150% Endurance regen ? )

Very unlikely this build will ever be nerfed. this is the build they want everyone to have. doesnt do too much damage, its 123 simply and not too hard to be killed by thief and mesmers

static discharge builds that offer a bigger damage burst will get a 2-5s internal cool down very soon

sadly that’s where it seems we’re heading, maybe it’s easier to balance if we engineers only have 1 or 2 working builds! but the list keeps narrowing down and don’t worry i hate HGH too.. it just feels it lacks skill. The entire build is based around fueling might with elixirs and burning cd! and even so the build is really strong with 800 burn / confusion and 150 bleeds

ohhhhhh! thanks so much! now it makes sence! for a moment i thought the Grand master trait was actually good!

true, I guess no HS on bosses would be a draw back.

and yea, but sadly the class will continue to get nerfed as long as new players keep on spamming skills & people keep complaining about the spamming. The easiest solution would seem to be to educate new players/noob players early on to use rotations. and a short CD would kinda force them to do this

and a very short cd would still allow u to burn down x of attacks, just not the same one over and over, so the mechanic stays the same. this would not affect any experienced player and could help balance less used skills.

idk, this is just my idea i would like to hear from yours too! if you have any, what do you think are some improvements thief could have to make the class more enjoyable and less nerfable!

btw, enjoying the convo, thanks everyone for keeping it troll free so far

see both ideas are great, driving the thief more combo oriented seems a lot more fun and could help balance/fit in some skills like flanking strike/dancing dagger which you rarely see anyone using.

or even head shot; this skill is great but initiative cost is too high, so if you want a rupt you have to give up alot of damage. and imagine if they reduced initiative cost lol trollfest!

I’ve noticed that more experienced players never spam the same skill, so a 1s cooldown would not break rotations. New players tend to spam the same skills as it feels “natural” but even with a 1s cd, spamming the skill feel clunky when testing it. there isn’t the charr hump hump ( ofc, im counting the 1s on my head, might feel different with the actual CD)

and GW1 Assassin, gw1 equivalent to thief. is about skill chains and combs. wouldn’t it be cool if thief became a little more like that, currently it feels that only the experience players are using combo/rotations, and they are also the deadliest!

Aim to stop the 1 skill spam, and rework skills that currently are not worth spending initiative on, balance initiative cost, make them more fluid and into a chain/rotation. seems like it would be more fun

redslion.9675:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

My best piece of advice to all aspiring engineers out there is to use your head, and change utilities and equipment according to what is needed. Any engineer that cookie-cutter’s themselves is severely limiting their strength.

If you are in a tournament match, you can’t swap utilities. So I hope being limited to 3 utilities is not limiting, because if it is… engi PvPers are screwed.

That’s not true, HGH builds are godly in tPVP & also, lately I’ve noticed a lot more Turret point holders! if anything, PvP is where the engineers shine the most

Just out curiosity and completely hypothetical! I noticed how the own community dislike the HS spam so..

How would you feel if Anet added a 1s individual cooldown on weapon skills ?

this would surely stop HS & DB and maybe..

• Would you consider this ifs anet lower high initiative cost on powerful skills used to prevent spamming ?
• Do you think this would make people use less-used skills more often , new combos? new playstyles?
• Do you think other classes would complain less if they got killed by someone who’s not only spamming 1 skill ?
• Would this make you mad? want to stop playing the class ?

This is not a troll thread nor a place to argue , just looking for some healthy discussion and smart comments! thank you :]

Sometimes while sPvP, i get hit by a Smoke Bomb that does 8-9k damage, i thought it was our grandmaster trait but when i tested, it does around 0-300 damage anyone have any idea how to trait it to dmg ? or if it is even our skill ? ( i know only thief and engi have it )

also.. i’ve gotten hit by it a few times while fighting Mesmers, but there is nothing about smoke bomb on their skills/traits :P!! i always thought that it was their trait “when you get cc, reflect the cc back to its source”, but thinking about it is kinda dumb.. unless it does reflect an old version of smoke bomb where it did a lot of damage and cc. im just wondering

Elixir gun is awesome if you go berserker, my acid bomb does around 2-3k damage per tick, pretty nice AoE and even without x2 SE, #5 is still a pretty decent heal/condi removal

Wuffles.5319:

google.3709:

I was just playing bro :P

btw have you seem that everything is fine video on that other thread, it’s too funny :P

Just in case you haven’t

hehe yup! pretty funny. Both videos. The first one kind of goes on til it dies though.

we just got turned into trees! BUT.. Everything is fine

I was just playing bro :P

btw have you seem that everything is fine video on that other thread, it’s too funny :P

Just in case you haven’t

and actually I couldn’t agree with you more wuffles! gotta start being possitive and enjoy the class! and this is coming from the guy who got told was leading a crusade on the forums! lmfao!

Never! :P

exept when you’re running away!! I found something funny! use flame yet and instantly switch to another kit and walk away!! the flames will stay in place and keep hitting! :P

and in WvW it’s good to farm in zergs

Wuffles.5319:

Kamahl.3621:

The difference between a good engineer and a bad one is miles apart. I usually hold my tongue in PvE if I see pistols, as long as they’re staying in grenades – but if we’re having trouble at the grawl fractal, and they’re using a flamethrower still, you can guarantee I’m gonna tell them how to play.

I’m always changing skills / weapons for the situation, so that’s not me, but that’s not what i was referring to. They’re just so moody! I dunno how to explain it. But back to what you were saying, I don’t tell anyone how to play :x cause if i go down, id feel like a fool.

you have the sexiest enginner i’ve seem and best eQUIP! just saying..

also, FT is actually good at grawl! but requires some skill! use #3 to reflect arrows! if you’re close enough you can use before he shot anyone and it will get reflected!

but yea, if you see them using FT #1 anywhere ( exept when farming WvW) tell them how to play

Forestnator.6298:

Wuffles.5319:

Forestnator.6298:

Anet cares alot about engineer. And this class is much more flexible then others. Try out other classes and u will see u’ll be stucked in one build again – much more then with engineer where u have dozends of viable builds.

Living under a rock?

I don’t understand. Pls explain.

I could be playing a different game, but isn’t anet currently trying to killing every build except HGH? you know.. trying to get us to play 1 build, isnt that why KR died lol

Forestnator.6298:

Wuffles.5319:

Forestnator.6298:

Anet cares alot about engineer. And this class is much more flexible then others. Try out other classes and u will see u’ll be stucked in one build again – much more then with engineer where u have dozends of viable builds.

Living under a rock?

I don’t understand. Pls explain.

I could be playing a different game, but isn’t anet currently trying to killing every build except HGH? you know.. trying to get us to play 1 build