Guild Wars 2

Oblivion.8307:

it’s kinda funny cause once warriors get nerfed, necros/sd thief/spirit ranger(potentially) will be getting qqed about, mesmer damage needs nerfing too, elementalist damage(arcane/airburst) could probably be reduced too. In turn you need to reduce guardian survivability. The joys of balance.

this is my fear.
it feels like every other patch there were so much new faults implemented – a dev could not even know where to start…
the community pointed out every issue, but the issues overtook the development (and they all are hidden in the depth of this forum)

im really curious where the next step (in balance) is heading.

like unleashed posted…. something like that

unleashed.8679:

Smaller Scale battles

• 1v1 (duel) and 3v3 would be nice

since i dont have a team but two good friends to play, i do especially like the 3v3 idea

Baldric.6781:

GW2PVPTV is still alive ? o_O

the last 5 times i checked the twitch channel (over the last 2 weeeks) it was 4 times offline.

maybe the changed the schedule and no longer do a 24/7 stream?

ThatShortGuy.4672:

Yeah exactly. It sucks waiting and I do agree that there is a communication breakdown between us and the devs but I don’t think ArenaNet is ignoring us.

as time passed i more and more get the feeling of the devs wanting to help us and doing everything quick, but there is some bigwig sitting in headquarters telling them not to do this and that. and devs are whining and moaning and asking why and when but the only answer they get is: “when I say it’s ready”

1.) afk-people is an issue since the very beginning, not only since you wait longer for queues to pop.

2.) how will it be less of a problem by higher rating if matchmaking confronts players from every ladder rating against each other?

a solution to afk and 4v5 could be a change in matchmaking like this:
– queue solo
– search for 9 equal players
(- wait (20sec or so) for everyone to click ready | if else goto line 2)
– randomly form 2 teams of those

i don’t think that MM over all is a fault, it seems more like it has some flaws. maybe it is a little depending on playerbase and the amount of currently queuing players – but as i understand that shouldn’t be.

the current system first teams you up with 5 players of same rating. after that it is looking for a worthy opponent (same rating) – if there is no worthy opponent it starts searching further off your rating.
now, because of the (as it seems) low player base, you often get matched against players with too much different rating and it starts to get some kind of unfair.

i think there is a relatively simple solution to this (at least simple in thinking, no clue how much programming work this would be).
so if the system would at first search for 10 worthy players, put them in one group and then randomly form 2 teams up of this group, the matchmaking system would be more fair and the chance to play against a fully high-ranked (or vice versa) team ist minimized. even with a low player base that system would be much more fair for every player.
with the example of a 200+ rated team against a not-even-on-leaderboard team (which is the case very often) because the system would mix them all up and you automatically get almost equal teams.
it would even be possible to include a formular that guarantees the over-all rating of both teams to be equally.
at the same time that could also be a solution against unequal matches in terms of amount of players (5v4) if, before teams are made, every player has to click a “ready” button.

i really do think this will be a much better way for matchmaking

TL;DR:
current match-making:
– queue solo
– search 4 equal players and team up
– search for opponent
– match

better match-making:
– queue solo
– search for 9 equal players
(- wait (20sec or so) for everyone to click ready | if else goto line 2)
– randomly form 2 teams of those
– match

wouldn’t that be cool?

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Will Raid on the Capricorn Map be removed/reworked? Please put mid node on pirate ship. Yay!

imo leave it where it is, just pull the plug and let all the water flow off.
possibly could turn out to be a good map

Lordrosicky.5813:

Chopps.5047:

Lordrosicky.5813:

What are you all on about. They have been working very hard to balance for the last two months.

You guys dont understand how much effort it takes to make grasping dead give 2 bleeds and not 3. This is 2 months work on its own. Be grateful for what you get.

You have inside info? Then what’s next? Making traps blockable?

Next balance patch should be in december. They are working hard with it at the moment and hoping everything can come together. They hit the necro and ranger this patch so it is sword thief next patch. They are considering reducing the sword auto attack damage by 0.005%, but only on tuesdays between 4-5pm. It is taking alot of work though. You wouldnt understand.

They are hoping that by the year 2043 they might have bought this build into line.

thank you so much! i love you

Kensei.1495:

The big patch is coming in 2 weeks.

sounds familiar
sounds like a dev comment about a year ago, and another one 9 months ago.
and another one….

Josh Foreman.8250:

Here’s a fantastic game design lecture by Will Wright. Starting at the 12:50 mark he’s talking about feedback loops in much clearer language than that dense technical link I posted earlier:
http://youtu.be/CdgQyq3hEPo?t=12m54s

One thing he mentions is how the negative side of the feedback loop is usually the most interesting. People usually play games to achieve the success side of the loop, but it’s not very rewarding without having experienced the failure states. Imagine that like a slider, where some people want games with no failure feedback like that amazing mario game posted above, and some people want the slider cranked all the way in the other direction. And that’s what this emerging genre is. It’s an exploration of the furthest reaches of the aesthetic form of negative feedback loop. In that way it’s kind of like the Black Metal of games. Black Metal evolved as musicians were trying to find the most extreme ways to break the established rules of musical aesthetic. (though obviously there are the minimalists and modernists etc. who break them even more.) The point being that most people can’t listen to to more than 10 seconds of Black Metal. It makes them agitated, or so annoyed they get angry. (I know this because I’ve tested several people I know >;) Likewise, this platform hell, or whatever you want to call it kind of game makes some people annoyed and angry. Guild Wars 2 in general is like a beautiful sweeping orchestral movie score. It appeals to a much broader audience.

There is a well established three part structure to popular music, and 90% of the hits follow it to a T. and there’s an ancient 3-act-structure for story that 90% of books, movies, and plays follow to a T. But there are fantastic examples of media that purposefully subvert those structures and the fact that the rules are broken is part of what makes them great. There Will Be Blood has no hero who grows through a struggle, learns a lesson and wins at the end. It’s not so much a story as it is a character portrait on film. And there are entire genres of music that are defined by the ways they break the popular paradigm.

So when I hear folks saying “How are invisible instant death traps fun?” it sounds to me like asking “How can you enjoy Death Metal or 50s Jazz or movies where the hero dies at the end?” It’s simply a matter of taste.

Someone above described what “good design” is in a very textbook sort of way where there are balanced feedback loops with clearly delineated goals and telegraphed challenges. And that is a perfectly valid way to critique games. And most of the time when games break those rules it’s because of sloppy, ill-conceived design, technological hurdles, time constraints, etc. Most movies that break the 3 act structure do it because the writer, director, editor etc. just aren’t good at what they do. Pop music that lacks the Verse-Bridge-ChorusX3 is often because the artist doesn’t know any better.

But when an artist is experienced with their craft, knows the rules backward and forward, and has worked within that framework before, THEN with intent and forethought decides to make something that breaks those rules, pushes one element to its extreme, or some other innovation, THAT’S when “good” happens. Not for everyone, because most people dislike anything that deviates too far from the norm. But there is always a market of people who can recognize the point of the exercise and appreciate it.

Like before, I’ll throw out the caveat that I’m not claiming that the SAB team is that master craftsman pushing the medium forward in dramatic brilliant ways. Only that we are THINKING about the design choices we make, we recognize when we are breaking rules, and we have a reason for doing so. Because SAB exists within the ecosystem of Guild Wars 2 it’s not going to be an exact replica of IWTBTG. We’re a hybrid, and that brings lots of interesting challenges with it. I’m sure we’ll learn a lot from this first TM release, and incorporate those lessons into the next round.

Well, that’s enough prattling at 2:30 am! Good night/morning!

i love you so much!

Darnis.4056:

Ban ? for what?.. exploiting? not really..

Glory gain in custum arenas/hotjoin should be disabled.

i’d rather care much more about the rankpoints gained, since you can’t really do anything with glory and rank should be somewhat of an indicator to skill. (but i think we are speaking of the same)
rankpoints should have never been in hotjoin format and as addition rankpoints gained in ranked matches need to be increased.

those are small changes which wouldn’t take too much time or effort from the dev’s and most unlikely affect other game modes. (i’m sure it is possible to turn off rankpoints by changing a value from 1 to 0 or something similar and changing a fixed number for solo and team arena cannot be that hard – and don’t tell me these will affect wvw)
suggested since the very beginning though…

harrywinky….. some helseth commentary comes to mind…..

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

kito.1827:

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

I can’t get it. Why anyone will farm for useless blue vases?

because of the numbers dude – the numbers!!

they make your e-fallus grow

Eh oh
So basically the idea is: you invite a girl in your flat, then show her your huge amount of glory and boom! Instant sex.

basically – yes
with the downside of an instant sexual experience with the so called blue vase – but hey! at least there was a girl in your flat

cymerdown.4103:

Honestly, now that custom arenas exist, they just need to get rid of hotjoin entirely and add unrated queue. Hotjoin is a terrible first experience for new spvp players that doesn’t teach you how to properly play Conquest, and with how teams are stacked its worse than a freshman frat initiation to spvp. It’s like, welcome to pvp, heres a kick in the nuts to get you started! Just have unrated queue for people to learn how to play or to try new builds, and lose the hotzerg.

well, i have to say that i think hotjoin really needs to stay. simple because of the many many players who just want to hop in and hop out to play some. the only and absolut simple thing to cure hotjoin is to either reduce the amount of rank-points gain (leave glory – who cares) in hot join or raise the amount of rank points gain in rated.
it is absolute and completely absurd to get more rankpoints in this hot-join format

but yes, in addition to this there is a huge need for an unrated que too

moiraine.2753:

Ofc there isn’t.The balance is around pre-mades not in solo match making.I don’t expect any balance there.

i don’t think soloQ is without matchmaking, i’m pretty sure there is.

i saw a dev saying that it still has some flaws – like the leaderboard decay system has too – on a stream.
really don’t know why there is no dev comment on the official side about it
- as there is no comment on the state of decay
- as there is (still) no comment on how the MMR is calculated

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

I can’t get it. Why anyone will farm for useless blue vases?

because of the numbers dude – the numbers!!

they make your e-fallus grow

oh yeah, the bright past where everything was shiny and much brighter than today – even the future seemed better in the past

Gandarel.5091:

This was our last hope, to continue these gifts. Now they are gone, but you can buy it from the gemstore. Isn’t it wonderful?

ok, calling out a birthday present as the community’s last hope is just…. i …. what…. tz…. i mean…. aaaahhhh!

that’s it. nothing more to say. i’m out.

Gandarel.5091:

Then a gigantic slap in the face. What should they do with 5-8 Jennahs?

so getting a present is a gigantic slap in the face for you? i really feel sorry for you and i wish you to never ever get any present on any celebration in the future. poor you…

i knew a little girl, once she realised the present of christmas gifts she wrote to santa that she would like to have a little pony. she never got one and knew that it probably will never happen, but she tried. this little 5 year old girl was far more mature than you are.

but i think now i have to realise that gw2 is pegi 12 and the majority of the players must be exactly that age – no adult would act like this.

seriously… expecting presents… poor mankind

this suggestion is like buying a buick and complaining it hasn’t the features of a lincoln

stupid suggestion is stupid

funny…

i never heard people complaining about getting pheonix rank in gw1, although it took the first player 6 years or so

brings me to the conclusion that gw2 is full of whiny little i-want-so-gimme kiddies

at first i really felt the same, although i’m not a pvp only player but a pvp mainly player.

it really felt completely unfair to ignore in a so called pvp game which claims for esports that they just give a kitten thing about you.

now i tell you why i don’t feel this way anymore. i spent some time in lions arch doing pve stuff. in about 30 minutes i heard so freakin many people complaining about the birthday gifts – and those where pve only players. i just couldn’t get why people can complain about gifts. i still cannot get it, it’s unbelievable.

then i came to the point that this game is just full of fastidiously little brats and no one really deserves to get a gift.

this really gets me angry

Leadfoot.9071:

It’s a symptom more than a problem – fix matchmaking and add incentives to playing pvp to get the playerbase growing and these sorts of things sort themselves out no? You probably can’t ever completely eliminate this sort of thing when you have strangers playing on teams together but addressing some of the core problems that give people reasons to do this sort of thing is a good start at least.

this is like: don’t judge people killing other people, judge the industrie for manufacturing guns and knifes.

why not judging people for missbehavior?

i report every single player for afk as scammer – cause it is, as you scam on your whole team – and keep believing it has some effect

Gudradain.3892:

Irene Jane.9605:

Lol you’re idea of GvG is wrong… Just sayin.

No it’s not.

2 team of 15-20 players bashing on each other and 1 of them winning for some reason.

Other players like to watch it too strangely so this is why it needs spectator.

your statement states you’re wrong

you talk about ZvZ

Obsidia.5127:

As someone who has tried to stay positive about SoloQ – I have to say I have completely changed my mind now.

This is the only time I have actually bothered to check the ranks of the players on the Leaderboards and as you can see, something is seriously broken.

I added another screenshot to further prove how bad the matchmaking is.

So… What’s going on?

i cannot believe people are still complaining and comparing based on rank.
it’s just /facepalm

maybe the matchmaking is broken, dunno – and as far as we don’t get to see the formula behind matchmaking, judging is not ours.

if you can’t stand yourself loosing against a lower rank, get yourself a cookie.
the real comparison goes with leaderboard ranking

pathetic

The Coma Kid.5184:

That’s never going to happen, there is technical limitations to it, such as all your data is stored on the NA servers and the Euros on the European servers. It’s what you can’t guest to a Euro server when you are on NA or visa versa

if the servers would communicate to each other it would be possible. data transferring is already invented and as far as i know there is a connection (or maybe 2 or more) between europe and america.
so that is absolutely not the point

Gandarel.5091:

Vena.8436:

garethh.3518:

a good game.

I think its a pretty good game actually.

Basically GW2 IS an awesome game. It’s just that PvP is totally unfinished. Like 80% is missing. And devs think it is fine. And we need only 10-20% more.

i don’t want to be the next who points again at gw1, but i absolutely cannot understand why arena-net dropped everything they already developed on their own.

they already had everything they needed, and to me it seems like they didn’t transfer it to gw2 because of the self-assumed e-sports pressure.
and here i’m talking about things like observer/spectator which is acutally a joke compared to the gw1 version, saveable skill- and gear-templates, a completely customisable UI, possibility to get a pvp-only version of the game, diversity in gamemodes, international pvp.

i’d love to hear a statement about the reason why nothing of those things found their way into gw2 – tbh i expected those to be implemented as i bought gw2 because i came from gw1 and i knew it was from arenanet.
it feels like i was wrong and it is a completely different arenanet

at this point: props to ANET for not raging on all those narrow-minded mentally-deranged posts (i would have banned all of them already) and to guys like Ouroboros for trying to add something constructive even in those kind of posts

sorrow.2364:

I don’t know based on what knocking someone off a Cliff is considered unskilled play.

Every profession have access to pull and pushes at the same level. Every profession have access to dodges too.

If you get pushed off, you have been outplayed. Period.
There is nothing to blame the map or everything, you had to either avoid the push/pull by getting out from Dangerous spots or dodging or push/pull your enemy first.

You played poorly and you got punished for doing so. Nothing strange here.

more than that, every player has access to the same classes and for every single player the circumstances on this map are the same.
there is no advantage for any team

i don’t get all the complaints. i do much more dislike foefire in soloQ – because i feel on this map it’s more about teamfight (and adjusted rotations) and that is a difficult thing to handle in soloQ where even communication tools wouldn’t help that much out.

oh, but you now get a debuff from leaving – referring to patchnotes

team arena leaderboards haven’t changed on last patch. still the same like before.

so no reset, no teams listed, only single player rankings

and i guess you are right, when it’s ready – there were some rumors about it, don’t know exactly if thats true and a team ladder is coming.
also heard some rumors that there should be a decay system – no proof of that either

Oniverse.5146:

Dota 2 -like chat wheel with simple commands.

You basically press a bind and a circular grid pop ups in the middle of the screen. Then you hover over the command you want to announce and release bind. Very easy.

Now that solo que is in game i think it would be a great addition. Commands such as “Help Mid!”, “Help Node A!” or “Help me destroy enemy trebuchet!” for instance.

great idea!
lets take the same keybind as for drawing and pinging on the minimap

most people responding on forums are heavy QQ’ers exaggerating 90% of the time.

i would suggest you, as far as it is a b2p game and you have no extra cost in reinstalling and logging in, try it out yourself!!

the game over all is really great and always worth a try

it seems like now you get grouped with 5 and then the mmr searches for another team.

in soloQ it shouldn’t work that way. it should search 10 player with equal rating and after all of them accepted the matchup they are put randomly in 2 teams.
even if 1 player doesn’t accept the matchup the system restarts searching again for 10 equal players.

i have to agree that change is needed, but destroy/ban hotjoin won’t be the right way because there are much players who enjoy this format (I think).
it just shouldn’t be rewarded much more than the arenas (solo & team) which is the actual state.
players will play what they get best rewarded for. the flaw isn’t the players attitude, it’s the reward system.

imagine how soloQ population would grow if it was rewarded much better than hotjoin

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Neno.8694:

Team Arena will now become like the old “Paid Tourneys” only popping regularly during prime hours :P

Well, it’s no secret that this Game doesn’t support teams. No wonder why ppl prefer fun in soloQ instead of hard working effort in Team-Arena. I mean the rewards are nearly the same. But it’s August, we know since release that the reward system in this game is a terrible joke for the competitive side.

the truth is that the community doesn’t support teams. remember who was shouting for soloQ?

you should change the thread title. it seems like just another QQ about leaderboards – but instead its like a motivation to care less about leaderboards and more about the fun of playing

patience is a virtue

Erwin.5603:

nice explanation!
although i think those guys will always be referring to rank, no matter how often someone tells them otherwise. i think its a matter of ego – “uuhh, he has lower number, he shouldnt beat me – lets complain on forums about bad MMR”

because of that i think it was a fault showing peoples rank after match.

isn’t light field + projectile/whirl a condiremoval?

why not trying to get whirl finishers in your team-setup?

Krayiss.4926:

28/6/13 last played lol another thing Anet LIED ABOUT omg thats good

i dont think they lied about it.
its just that they wont go a single bit into detail about how it works.

as far as i can understand them acting like this (because no matter what they say, forum will always be complaining) i still think some more information about the systems/codes/algorythms/formulas they are using would more likely work in their favor.

just because IF there is information, there is always someone who understands it and who can point out to people complaining what the truth is.

i think this would still not be enough.

as i understand this system works like this:
if i dc/leave/w.e 4 times in a row i have 4 dishonor stacks lasting 72h.
after 71h i leave the 5th time. so now i have 5 stacks and cant join rated matches for as long as the 5 stacks last. which means 1h.
after 1h i am on 1 stack again – so i can feel free to leave 4 matches till my next ban.
same with 3 stacks.
i cant really see why this is real punishment.

but maybe im getting it wrong

Exedore.6320:

I don’t believe it’s the same. Unless you’re on a very good team, it’s hard to do that. And again, decay takes care of people with low numbers of games with a high win:loss ratio.

What exactly do you want for it to not be a joke? Do you want a minimum number of games played?

you mean the same decay as on team leaderboard? watch the attachment for an example of decay by not playing for 6 weeks and still being #3
(no offense against the guy who is, its not his fault)

and there is already a min number of games (10) to appear on the leaderboard

im curious if this decay system really exists or about the MMR formula – both seem to be top secret

because both were together once, i thought there is no doubt in starting both ladders completely new.
that being said, i don’t like the idea of seasons though. because seasons kind of invite people to tank the ladder after getting good positioning once

Jomo kenyatta.7351:

The best thing that you guys can do as our more advanced players is to help coach and guide these raw recruits with some strategy tips in team chat. Have patience with them. I’ve been playing this morning and have seen some amazing players really step up and do this. Our community never ceases to impress me with how awesome you all can be.

totally agree, noone will get better if we dont help them, instead of just raging at them try and pass on some knowledge, i realise its hard to micro manage people in a game when your not on team speak but lets not forget its solo que it isnt made for really experienced players its as they said a stepping stone from hotjoin to team arena be helpful or just go to team arena. Or we could even set up a forum posts with basic tactics to help people who dont know what to do on each map. They wont get better unless they get proper guidance.[/quote]

the problem is, and i think as a newbie i would act the same, people seem to be awfully arrogant on advising others and most of the time it happens to be ‘flame’. every other game i find myself sending a report for verbal abuse (atm there is no better report) because someone says stuff like ‘f*** you guys/newbs/blabla. you just &%#~$ZR§??’ and so on.

as i think, the basic tactics should be given in a sort of tutorial – which doesn’t exist in that form, especially not to teach tournament-play – and not from other players. and on second hand through queuing for standard matches (unranked) – also non existent (could be hotjoin if the system will get some overhaul like stopping 8v8 crap).

some communication tools would also help a lot

i dont know if they really sync’ed or not and find it hard reasonable to say so.

what could be a problem as far as i see it, is top tier players whom know each other and the ts3 data of many other top tier players immediately join together on ts as soon as they recognize being on the same team.

i’ll say, why not. if i would meet a friend i would definitely do the same.

but… put your guts together and don’t do that!!! for the sake of a healthy soloQ!

OneManArmy.9732:

rank? ~20 rank vs ~40 rank players. great

i actually think this really is great. as far as you can get faster rankups through hotjoin (as stated many times by many people) and therefore rank means nothing but invested time… so i really dont get why complaining about different ranks queuing together.

the queue syncing otherwise is definitely an issue which needs to be addressed.

all in all i’m happy with soloQ
just think its really poor that they didnt catch enough time for a proper communication tool.

still at work…. are there some commands implemented?

does anyone know where to find the solo leaderboards?
is it confirmed that you need 10 matches to get rating?

from patchnotes: “Leaving rated arena games will punish players with a Dishonorable debuff. Each stack of dishonor lasts for 72 hours. If a player has the maximum amount of dishonor (5 stacks), they will be prevented from joining rated games.”

as i understand it is ‘allowed’ to leave 4 times within 3 days, though it doesnt say how long the ban will last

amazing finals! great comeback of SYNC
deserved victory

really looking forward to see Curse (TP) vs SYNC <3

Mrbig.8019:

Dota games ( LoL is a very good example) show you how to play.

i heard about this ‘feature’ so many times, so i had to try it out.
i downloaded and installed LoL yesterday and have to say that the ‘new-player-experience’ is really amazing!

i really think something similar would be possible in gw2 too, even the bots are already implemented (mists training ground)