Guild Wars 2

My feedback: I didn’t think it was possible to kitten up the game any more but anet have set a new (low) bar in terms of poor mmo game development.

Vayne.8563:

It’s not just about making more sense. It’s about the feeling of progression you never really got before.

I had plenty of feeling of progression, this change along with the changes from the previous feature pack just makes it more tedious.

As for the OP…….brilliant.

Basch.1347:

An official response would be highly appreciated.

Are the leagues for S3 locked as of this week. Is Mag staying in Gold no matter their drop in rating? Or are the tiers open until reset this coming Friday?

Just a tip. Don’t let gold league become a fail league with only 5 participants. Mag players won’t play unless they stand a chance to do anything. The new match-up if they drop to T3 will breathe new life into both Mag and T2. I fail to see the point of leaving Mag in T2 without at least a manual override of the match-up.

It takes but a minute of your time to respond to this question. A simple yes or no would suffice as well.

good point, even if they at least acknowledge the issue but can’t do anything about it that would be something. They’re going on a communication bender at the moment, so Devon where are you.

goldenwing.8473:

I agree with a lot of the sentiments being expressed both in this thread and in other forums that these small changes appear to be too little, too late and that they appear lacking in knowledgeable insight (into the player experience.)
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And this can be appleid to most of the changes from the 1st feature pack onwards, they really have no clue about players needs. And whats bizarre is that these dumbing down changes are being made now so long after launch when they would be getting very few new players.

Brutal Augus.5917:

“Here, have a pink commander tag and siege disabling grenades. To further this rofl stomping of the WvW community, we’ll even make the most OP raid tactic even more so overpowered. Enjoy your feature pack.

-Love Anet"

Whats really funny is that commander tag recoloring was supposed to be a quick win.

DaShi.1368:

Manual intervention will still hurt a server, and that server will have a much more valid complaint to Anet for manipulating the rankings. I’m not sure why another server needs to pay for Mag’s mistakes.

How is it a mag mistake?

Vayne.8563:

Comparing a game with even an optional subscription to a game that has none is really not that good, which is why the meta data people always put SWToR and Guild Wars 2 on separate lists.

Yes but if you want to compare the performance of different models…………..

And again this will be farcical in NA gold with maguuma seemingly not losing enough points to drop down. Anet really have to bite the bullet and intervene.

The big surprise of this report is how badly Wildstar did on startup, seemingly only 500K players bought the game (compared to GW2s 3m and swtors 2m), and it has had significant population decline since then. GW2 has held up probably due its free to play status and the disappointments of WS and ESO. For all that swtor is doing better than it financially.

Berk.8561:

Chaba.5410:

It’s not just that. Players are leaving the game.

The Gamescom 2014 interview with Devon Carver has Devon saying that the WvW population is stable, so apparently ANet isn’t seeing big changes in the number of people playing WvW.

And has been pointed out multiple times in other threads he’s clearly being disingenuous by including EOTM. It is beyond doubt that core WvW is losing players and another tournament will only accelerate that decline just as has happened with the previous 2.

Stormcrow.7513:

In my opinion GW2 has one of the worst engines out there but does have fantastic art and animators

This, just how much programming experience does the OP have. The engine is poor.

sirian.4981:

It probably isn’t gear, but if you are really worried, spend a day Ktraining EOTM and you will have full ascended armor.

How will he have full ascended armor? From gold earned? I highly doubt he would get enough.

This update coming after the hash that was done with the previous feature patch with traits and the megaserver just shows how out of touch anet are and how poor they are at game design. The trait system was implemented so poorly and this will make it even worse. Whats worse is that they just do not listen or they do and take the wrong message from it.

Andred.1087:

Good enough, key farming is stupid, and obviously not something they wanted players to do.

Yes obviously anything that stops players from buying gems and keys in the BLTC must be stopped.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

I’m trying to figure out how smaller groups are dropping meteor bombs into huge groups without instantly melting from the retal, because that’s generally what happens when I see it used in that way. Even more hilarious is when someone slams #4 Ice Bow into a zerg.

Doesn’t happen to me.

King Amadaeus.8619:

It really is a shame that each change to this game gimps smaller groups, and (inadvertently or not) buffs zerging.

Yes its indicative of the fact that they really don’t know what they’re doing with balance or just don’t care about WvW.

Reverence.6915:

ErlendR.6107:

Reverence.6915:

It’s not about lack of numbers. It’s about lack of organisation.

Fail troll

When you have 20-25 on the map and 0 people in teamspeak and no commander tag? Yeah that’s called lack of organisation

I’m trying and failing to see where the guy from ET mentioned no commander tag and no-one in TS? Is it in another thread?

Jessica Boettiger.2563:

Zaxares.5419:

Traditionally WXP points have always been reset with the start of a new tournament. I don’t think this will be any different this time around.

Aye. World Ability Points will be reset at the start of the Fall Tournament.

Can you please work out a better way to do rather than just a complete wipe. I would rather have the ability to add and subtract points from lines rather than have to do over the whole thing.

nearlight.3064:

Ele will still have the highest DPS and burst in the game .

How?

Straegen.2938:

style.6173:

Working for ANET would be my dream job! I wonder how they spend all day if it isn’t doing development.

I am guessing the Chinese release was an all hands on deck soft of affair.

You shouldn’t completely abandon your major market for months on end to launch your product in another market.

Thaia.5146:

What exactly? Because from now on I have no viable Elite on my Ele.

This is the point, the nerfs haven’t been replaced by anything of real value, now eles have no elite skill worth anything.

Plus anet have been aware of the issue with FGS for a long time now, over a year, why not ‘fix’ it before now?

goldenwing.8473:

T1 – OCX: if you’re roaming, be prepared for a large JQ blob to land on you.

And if you’re on JQ be prepared for a TC or BG blob.

goldenwing.8473:

If you want a better picture, head over to the community matchup site.

That site does not give an honest picture of anything. Everybody on it insists on spreading lies about the other servers so no don’t use it as an indicator of anything.

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

Thanks everyone for giving us some feedback on this system we’ll meet internally and discuss this system some more as I think there are a lot of valid points being brought up here.

5 months and then this………. Obviously its become obvious to anet how their silence has affected the community, or perhaps gem sales have started declining.

VIK.6205:

WvW is already broken, in NA there is only T1 and T2, the seasons aren’t helping either. As a server in T1 just spend over 30k gold to bring a couple blob guilds to their server,

BG no doubt.

Kohlteth.3715:

Devs posting is rare but appreciated,

Community team is ABSENT most of the time, example being the 39 page Trait thread that has zero response since it was Merged to get feedback, That could be why people are puppied off thinking Anet are not listening along with the ONLY flow of info being anywhere BUT your own official forums , ex Twitter etc etc …

Bingo! Zero communication on the most important issues affecting the player base is why people are up in arms. As for CDIs starting up again, why did they stop? How about addressing the issues that what little you’ve taken from the CDIs you’ve invariably implemented poorly and in ways the p[layers clearly didn’t want from the CDI threads. Not much point in having them unless these issues are addressed.

xev.9476:

The exact quotation: “It’s something that people have been playing at very steady numbers for a very, very long time and still enjoying.” Sure doesn’t seem like the OP is “direly” confusing consistent numbers and full numbers. Rather, it seems like Devon is too busy staring at his charts and graphs to witness the reality of bleeding WvW numbers (which, like the OP, I agree ought not to include EotM).

Yep, the numbers undoubtedly include EOTM.

On the reversal they should never have made the decision in the first place. I’ll be impressed when they start listening to players on stuff like the WvW seasons and siege.

MightyMicah.7451:

yanniell.1236:

Because Season 2 was a major success.

You’re dang freaking right it was. I was able to play WvW as usual and earn two dang ascended earrings from that crap.

Yes because ascended jewelry is so hard to get……

DiogoSilva.7089:

They are going with the right philosophy to address FGS and tornado. Remove their unintended abuse, while making them stronger at what they were intended to be. Now let’s just hope that the buffs will be enough to justify using both skills in normal situations.

I see no mention of buffing other parts of FGS merely nerfing the side effects. Which will just make it not worth using.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• The traps we’ve added in the past, have seen low use. So we intentionally created this trick to be a bit on the stronger side. However, it’s still hard to say exactly how it will play out in the live game, but if it ends up hurting gameplay more than helping it we are open to adjusting it in the future.

It might be a good idea if you gave us some more info about what you are hoping to achieve with this and how did you arrive at the capabilities ie. time disabled, size of the aoe.

Vavume.8065:

They will change it, already plenty of complaint threads up, and they will only increase until this idea for tags gets reworked. I feel confident this wont go live and will be changed to something more reasonable.

You mean like the new trait system………..

ConfusedDave.4271:

Utter design failure. (Or possibly utter deliberate cash-grab, although if so then it will backfire massively as all the WvW commanders quit in disgust.)

Its a cash grab, they’ve taken the idea and tried to monetise it. If anything this just shows where the power in the game is now and its in the monetisation manager.

Gizmo.9178:

You should totally go for elementalist

Only not, Ele in WvW is anything but.

Yet another example of anet taking a good idea and kittening it up. This is a complete fail cash grab by them. Never mind the fact that when initially mooted it was supposed to be quick win, and has taken almost a year to implement.

Zepher.7803:

buy colored tags…..wow, that is just rude and makes no sense, so this idea has to be a joke.

IKR this looks like being yet another case of anet taking a good suggestion and completely kittening it up in implementation. Never mind the fact that it takes them close to a year to do something that was supposed to be a quick win.

Dawdler.8521:

Looking at the only current comparable competition afaik, Elder Scrolls Online, GW2 is already better

Nope, the issues with ESO are not with the RvR itself, noting that problems like class balance and engine performance are issues external to the actual design. The RvR design in ESO is way ahead of WvW.

DDRitter.1872:

DevonCarver.5370:

Chuck Zitto.2367:

We need more things to use them on or to atleast be able to sell them. Myself and tons and tons of other people have gotten to the point we just destroy them. They take up inventory space.

Without giving any specifics, I’d highly recommend you change that strategy. There are things coming soon that will give you lots to spend it on.

That was eight months ago. I would like a definition of “soon” by any ANet spokesperson. I’m literally (not literally) drowning in Dragonites/Bloodstones/Empyreals.

Please, allow us to recycle that into something useful, like luck, agony resistance or my favorite: thermocatalytic reagents!

The same definition of soon that they used in the commander CDI thread in relation to quick wins.

Straegen.2938:

Based on my observations/conclusions each Season drives more players out of WvW. This could be simple attrition but the pre-Season numbers and post-Season numbers seem to indicate that seasons drives players out of WvW.

Your observations are correct, seasons have been disastrous for WvW on the whole. Hopefully anet will try something different.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Doesn’t Black Gate need people because they’re up against constant double teaming? If so, why don’t players transfer to T1?

There is no constant double teaming of BG.

HarryTasker.5623:

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

AsmallChicken.9634:

This unsupported game mode pulled comparable viewers to Anets official esportz tournament that they had to bribe people to watch with precursors.

Thats hilarious.

goldenwing.8473:

Yes, 50% of a given population would enjoy the technical aspect of a given situation, without specific concern for social content. There are multiple MMO’s that offer this style play, including the two latest “contenders”: TESO and Wildstar.

At the moment, GW2 offers the only (flawed as it is), community-oriented approach to PvP , which borrowed from the best community-oriented PvP that has existed to-date in the MMO industry (DAoC’s RvR.) Many are hoping CU (which is being developed by the same creator, Mark Jacobs), will replicate that same community-oriented feeling, enough that the game is actually player-funded.

I don’t see how TESO is any different from GW2 in this regard, plus it has the benefit of being far better designed than WvW.

lunyboy.8672:

It’s an ongoing process, and for now, it’s not terrible.

In fact, it’s the best type of game mode like this in existence at the moment.

Purely in terms of RvR its not.

Cause anger has been replace by apathy, people just do not care any more.

Spica.9308:

This is why server stacking and bandwagon is bad in tiers 1-3 match-ups. The only good happening so far is maguuma in tier 2 finally putting up a fight against SoS after 10+ weeks of lopsidedness. The bad side is tier 1 turning lopsided due to over stacking (heavy transfers to JQ).

JQ haven’t had heavy transfers. If anything DI leaving Kome coming, at least some of Ge leaving for the Chineses servers is a net loss. What we are seeing is more the effect of people leaving the game.

Ashen.2907:

Fenrir.3609:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

emikochan.8504:

It says unique on the ring.

It’s a really small tag at the bottom of the stats, barely noticeable. And how are people supposed to know what this ‘unique’ tag actually means?

It’s called paying attention, reading something and applying common sense. But no, there should clearly be a fifteen page PDF guide to walk people through this.

If it were actually unique it would be impossible to buy more than one. and only one person would have it.

Exactly, thats the logical extension of the term.

MasterYoda.8563:

Chaba.5410:

Ah. To be fair, they didn’t say that it was tied to the achievements, but that could have caused some gaming of the system to occur, where ppl would hold off playing until later in the tourney to see which server to go to. In your case, did you complete any achievements on SoR? The game thinks you did most achievements there it seems.

Yes I did complete the 10/10 achievements on SoR.

The original communication was ambiguous but given that I don’t think you’re really been cheated out of the rewards.

MasterYoda.8563:

and Supports says denied!!!

So I’m out of any luck getting the correct rewards at no fault of my own.. thanks a lot bugs…

Does the battle historian show TC or SOR as your server for the tournament?

Straegen.2938:

We have seen balancing changes, a handful of new traits/skills, EotM (which doesn’t really effect WvW), seasons that are effectively the same old WvW play, minor changes to BL/Sanctum maps, culling fixes and WvW levels. The latter is probably the most successful change.

Is it even much of a change? Given that pretty much everyone has guard offense and defense everyone is pretty much equal, just like before the WvW levels were introduced, and thats not even mentioning the whole account bound kerfuffle. A good system would allow players to adopt different roles.

Karizee.8076:

What do you mean didn’t get their Season 1 rewards? Everyone I know got them and I guarantee if people didn’t get them after Season 1 there would have been just as much screeching and caterwauling as there is now.

Seriously? It has been well documented:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Issues-granting-Season-reward-chests/page/3#post4102272