On Anvil Rock, it’s Monday morning, time to go to work for most folks.
In any mmo, it’s better to bring your own party, rather than shouting for PUGs. If you usually like playing Monday morning, you need a friends list of people who run dungeons on Monday mornings. Hint: they don’t even need to be on Anvil Rock.
I think GW2 supports Prophet’s style of play better than any other style of play.
Don’t know why it’s so prideful.
It works fine in dungeons and small groups.
I have to say, on my guardian, who heals everytime he gives a buff, it used to be amazing, perhaps overly amazing, in big groups, like a portal-bomb in wvw.
Poof, I’d be apparently alone in the lords room, almost dead to invisible attackers, pop one buff, and be completely full again. Each virtue of courage was a complete heal.
This current setting post nerf was not a good solution, but I can see they needed to do something.
The weird thing is the event didn’t even tax my system at all. If I do something strenuous on it, usually my 2nd fan turns on – turns on about 10 minutes into a dungeon, usually. For this event, it didn’t turn on til I got back to L.A. after it was all over.
The relevant point is — everyone knows an event like this won’t run well in GW2. Because every single day we see it in wvw. The system sucked at launch and continues to suck. Soooooo… why oh why put a signature event based on what you suck at doing?
In contrast, the “decent into madness” Mad King event went pretty well, because we all jumped in to 5-man instances, and had a great time. ANet has been doing instances like that for solo or small group for over half a decade. Of course it was well-received. As are the fractals, lots of fun, and unlike the event they did, the instances are something that might have convinced Rift and WoW players to give GW2 a shot. Giving us that other event — honestly in Rift it would have been awesome, but here it was not fun and didn’t show off the game at all = a bad business decision.
Let’s add it up.
The quest — bugged and bugged.
The massive group battle featured “You were hit for 4017 damage by Unknown using Spit” — rendering problems, just like you see in WvW. Getting portal bombed by a bunch of stealthed baby karkas isn’t “great” imo.
The things ANet is good at, has been good at for almost a decade:
Small group instanced dungeons, and small group pvp.
Things everyone knows are weak:
Quests — any of us who’ve had characters stuck in the storyline for most of the time the game’s been live know quests are NOT ANet’s forte’.
Large group combat — let’s face it, the entire meta of wvw has been about exploiting how crummy the system is, whether it’s portal bombs, hacking the orb, or perma-stealthed thief antics.
They should stick to what they’re good at, especially for a big event where they were trying to lure trial players into putting GW2 on their Xmas lists.
The loot means almost nothing. I love my 20 slotter, don’t get me wrong. But no matter how you do an event, people expect phat lewts. Phat lewts isn’t why we play GW2, tho.
Any business: look at what you’re good at, look at what you’re sucky at.
ANet: great dungeons, fun game
ANet: can’t program quests to run, can’t handle large scale combat
Remember what went well with Mad King – jumping puzzle, dungeon, labrynth
Don’t make an event that depends on the stuff you suck at.
Put this event into a fractal and it’d be awesome.
Anet seems to be clueless about the decision to make Fractals of the Mists accessible to people under lvl 80, because now you see advertised everywhere “lfg FOTM lvl 80 exotics only”
Does anyone else find it ironic that this new dungeon has the same acronym as ‘flavor of the month’?
I like that they can poke a bit of fun at it. FotM, and using “fractals” for an infinitely recursive process gets a z^2 + i, too.
Pro tip — chicks dig math references
Good players don’t PUG, and therefore don’t have to worry what the lamers in LA map chat say.
Food and other consumables give bonus xp for kills.
Your fastest leveling will be events. Today, prob’ly your best bet was to go to the new Lost Shores zone.
You get xp from:
Dynamic Events in pve and wvw.
Exploring and filling out your map, including city zones.
Your personal story.
Gathering and crafting.
Renown hearts.
Killing things.
Dungeons are a good source of xp, too, but not til you level up a bit.
Those 10k posts represent how many dozen unique posters?
The cool thing about a guildwars game is you can skip whatever you like. Just play the way you wanna play.
It can take a very long time to get stuff from the store.
A support ticket ime doesn’t help at all, they don’t even pretend to care or be helpful. Just be patient, and hopefully your items come soon.
Pro Tip: As always with mail, delete things out of your inbox to ensure there’s room.
Even if it says 5/10, that can still delay your receipt, cuz the mail database is buggy.
What killed Orr is that the zones are designed not to be fun. It was desolate earlier this week before the event, too.
But the temples are something an individual can address himself. Get a group and clear them, just like you’d get a group to do anything else in a MMO.
Social/cooperative dilemmas are best solved by social methods.
If you’re strongly opinionated about M.F., talk with your gaming buddies about it.
There’s so many places in the game where you can behave selfishly or altruistically. MF% is only one.
Most dungeon runs go very smoothly, even if you eat omnom. And I’d wager most everyone in Orr is wearing +MF gear most of the time. I’m also suspicious that a lot of the posters claiming to hate MF have a set of Traveler’s of the Traveler in their bags.
block, blind, dodge… something to take the edge off
I like the zone so far. It’s at least not a dark gloomy with-no-reason-to-be-there kind of land. The mobs are the hard part, not navigating a maze of arbitrarily unclimbable slopes.
“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”
O.o
Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.
Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?
This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.
So wrong, so many levels.
Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?
You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.
WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.
Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.
Who are you to tell me what I need in wvwvw? You don’t even know how I play. They aren’t a few stat points. it’s 20%+ improvement. Why should wvwvw players be pushed to the back of the bus for this new content? Why are you against wvwvw players getting equal treatment?
Here you’re just plain wrong, in the sense of arithmetic.
I do understand you’re feeling hurt and betrayed. That’s real.
20% from 2 rings and a backpack isn’t gonna happen even if you’re upgrading from blue.
(for what it’s worth, I am good at math, taught grad and undergrad for years, with the dozens of pages long CV to prove it — the math for GW2 however is simple but does take a little homework)
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I agree with the OP. I think conditions should do MORE damage than direct damage, especially since they haven’t even fixed them doing damage to objects. They also need to fix confusion damage… right now confusion damage sucks.
As a Mesmer, I have a huge problem when it comes to how Confusion is handled in PvE.
Confusion is a lethal player-killer.
I get that people are sad their skills only work for parts of the game. But that’s true about a lot of things. It feels like you’re complaining that your screwdriver doesn’t pound nails right. Ok, but it’s an awesome screwdriver, use it for that.
It’s like me complaining that my guardian’s staff doesn’t have any range. Well, it’s not a ranged weapon. Could it have been? Yes, but not in GW2.
Any build/playstyle in GW2, think about it like something in your toolbox. What job do you want to do? Which tool is right for the job?
There’s only one burn on any target. It can’t be an object. Does that limit my guardian? Yes, unavoidably, because burn is central to guardians.
There’s only one poison. There’s only 25 bleeds. Those are the rules. Learn how to play with them.
The moral of the story is good players don’t condition-build.
Was the same way before launch.
Go ahead and make one. Play a Mantra Mesmer. Play a Signet Ranger. For most of the game, you’ll be fine, cuz the game’s just not that dependent on dps. Your choice.
But it’s absurd to complain about your choice. Cuz you’re the one wot made it.
The quoted material in the top post — Where is it published?
“Well you can seemingly run t1 and get the one item that you need from these dungeons but if you cant do that much may be you do not need these items because its just so painful that your reward of the “self view” ideal that your week in wvw. Its on you to get your gear to what level you want its no one else job to tell you how to play or what to do.”
O.o
Dear god, the community’s collective intelligence must have flatlined after the WoW locusts returned.
Do I really have to tell you why this is really a bad statement?
This game should not be a JOB. T6 mats are goign to skyrocket. These people probably bought gold (and considering how conditioned they are to it in WoW I doubt from ANet’s gem store), the dungeons are 50% boring, and this is going against ANet’s do anything (WvW sPvP real PvE dungeons) philosophy.
So wrong, so many levels.
Agreed. So I am forced to endure misery to compete in WvWvW now? Isn’t this the opposite of their promise to us?
You’re not forced. Even more, you’ll compete just as well in WvW if you don’t endure misery.
WvW is not like pvp in GW2. Your build, your gear really doesn’t contribute very much to the whole endeavor. A few stat points isn’t going to matter a lick. And if you’re the kind of player who needs every point he can get, you’re still gonna suck no matter what.
Relax and trust that by the time ascended gear gets past 3 accessory slots, by the time it makes a statistically-discernible difference, there’ll be a bunch of ways you can get that gear.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Anet : “The only way to mitigate Agony damage is by building up resistance through Infusions.”
We can’t use exotics to do this. So, unless we join the treadmill we can’t enjoy challenging new content. Not much room for choice there.
Honey, if you want to enjoy the new content, you’ll get the infusion gear, while enjoying challenging new content.
Are you implying it is easy to get and doesn’t need to be run repeatedly?
I’m saying if you do the process of enjoying the new content, the gear you need for it will happen as a side-effect.
Sorta like how you don’t need to grind karma. I never have, yet have 2 sets of karma armor. Just go play, have fun, and it piles up, almost by accident.
Same thing with infusions. Play the game. Enjoy new content as it comes each month. Trust in the system that you’ll have what you need, just the same as getting exotic gear. You can buy it if you’re that sort of person. Or you can just play and it comes along.
250 T6 mats
50 Ectos
24 skill points
1 Mists essenseThis is easy to obtain? Considering you still need an infusion for it and it is a single item slot?
Quick calculations, before prices have even sky-rocketted, show that this would cost you 60 gold for one item using Powerful Bloods and Ectos each at 20 silvers, which both are higher than right now.
Add in the fact that drop rates have been obliterated and this will soon cost 100g+ and it will be 100g that is insanely difficult to gain, as if it wasn’t already.
So 60 hours just for the mats at a fairly good rate of one gold per hour. And diminishing returns makes efficiently farming a gold an hour unlikely. And if the drop rates don’t change back to an un-nerfed state, it will be 100 hours. Just for the mats. For one item.
Does no one else see a problem with this?
I think with any of these things, the smart player will do a cost-benefit analysis of the utility he/she thinks will come of it.
For myself, I made one of the mystic forge recipes for a fancy exotic weapon. Yes, I could have bought a cheap exotic with same stats off the TP. Yes, I could have used my dungeon tokens (altho not to get the same stats). A lot of choices exist. I went ahead with the “expensive” choice because, hey I already had earned it as a side effect of playing the game. To me it was worth it.
From the looks of the ascended gear so far, if it’s gonna take that kind of outlay for an invisible piece with no discernible improvement… no, not worth it to me at this point.
Thus far, ANet has provided expensive ways and very cheap ways to get stuff. I got a couple sets of armor, all for free (karma and dungeon tokens), just by playing the game.
I did 6 fractals last night, ended up with one repair death.
It’s safer than wvw, that’s for sure.
I think anyone who’s run the original dungeons even a little has done runs where no one in the group had a repair at all.
Your first run or two will be difficult. And honestly, if I’m distracted by a text or something, yes, I end up dead pretty quick in some settings. But it is winnable. Find the solutions.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Anet : “The only way to mitigate Agony damage is by building up resistance through Infusions.”
We can’t use exotics to do this. So, unless we join the treadmill we can’t enjoy challenging new content. Not much room for choice there.
Honey, if you want to enjoy the new content, you’ll get the infusion gear, while enjoying challenging new content.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for meDid you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Exotic will put me at a big disadvantage in WvWvW. I tried the dungeons and hated them. Why can’t I get these items via WvWvW? Right now?
“big disadvantage” in WvWvW? Is 2 rings and a back, what reportedly is just a few stat points difference, max right now.
How bad are you that you have a big disadvantage because of a few stats points?
You know, you could use a consumable or two and more than make up for your woeful performance.
Use your wealth from WvW to buy yourself the power you need to equalize the disadvantage.
Where are you finding one-hit boss kills?
All my characters are currently level 80, but whenever I see someone asking for “level 80s only” (or “need a tank” / “need a healer”), I add that person to my block list.
Saves me the (obvious) pain of getting grouped with someone that clueless later by accident.
Asking for “level 80s only” is a bit like saying “hello, I just arrived from WoW and I have no idea how this game works”.
Not really depending on the fractal level a none 80 could really hurt the group. Especially in a pug….
It’s not so much “really hurt” — it’s just kill speed is better with geared 80.
Coming with less than 80 begs the question — why aren’t you 80? Just go get on your main, why not?
I just love this, people who call an argument sad when they are not capable of formulating a real rebuttal. rolleyes
As somebody else stated, it’s simply that you don’t like to be reminded of the fact that once upon a time you knew nothing. And going by some of your statements I’m beginning to think that you know more about gear stats than you do about actual skill,I think what you’re having a difficult time comprehending is that not everyone in the world is a carebear chomping at the bit, frothing at the mouth, and wildly enthusiastic about helping people. Not many people want to spend their limited game time helping out complete strangers every day of the week, no MMO has ever been like that and no MMO ever will be, sorry to bring you back to reality.
While you’re sitting here acting like you’re so morally superior to the elitists, you haven’t realized that you’re just another elitist in a different form and thus, the circle of the internet continues to go ’round.
EDIT: Dear everyone else in this thread, elitists aren’t keeping you from this content. Your submission to them is what’s keeping you from this content, if some of you would put your dramatics aside you’d realize that elitist groups aren’t the only groups available for FotM. You never see elitists posting that all the casual carebear groups are making it difficult for them to do content, you know why?
Because we make our own groups. :O
Somehow, I think you’d see it differently if a dungeon catered to casuals disadvantaged “elitist” because they were “overqualified” for the dungeon but yet the “elitist” needed to get items from said dungeon to complete an armor set, and “elitist” were the ones who were consistently “kicked” from said groups.
Ya think we wouldn’t have a whole legion of “elitist” on these forums crying foul?
What are you imagining? A dungeon that only lets you in if you’re wearing greens and yellows? That no one is over a certain level?
I remember in Lineage 2 (my first NCSoft game), there were these tournament things you had to do to win for your side, and they had tiers that restricted power levels. So the “elite” of us kept characters deleveled to make the ideal group (because a lot of in-game wealth depended on it).
Trust me, the elite can manage their access to whatever they want.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me
Did you try the FotM? My initial runs were a lot of fun, even more than the dungeons we had at launch.
The cool thing in GW2 is if you don’t want to grind that gear, you don’t have to. Exotic gear works just as well as it ever did.
Did the back have a visible skin?
I’m a total snob. I’ve never invited anyone to my group that doesn’t have a specific guildtag.
Seriously, don’t PUG. People who PUG are bad players who don’t wash their armor and have breath that smells of peach tarts.
True fact: PUG rangers pets don’t mind properly.
Quests in GW2 are notoriously buggy.
It’s just not in their wheelhouse.
Expecting the event to be different is naive.
Getting credit for killing a karka… hopefully that becomes less impossible after the event
It IS a lot lot more fun to play with people you actually like.
First — suicide is painless in GW2, no armor damage.
Second — it is ok to die in FotM and get revived by your team. In all aspects of GW2, if you don’t get there to loot, you’ll lose out.
How many times have you sat watching your corpse in wvw, surrounded by shiny bags you’ll never get unless someone revives you?
It’s one thing to dream up an exciting event.
It’s quite another to pull it off.
ANet has fine talent for dreaming. They’re still lacking the tools for running big events.
Given the entire meta of WvWvW is about exploiting bugs with rendering and culling, it’s hardly a surprise.
I wouldn’t expect it to be any other way. Maybe I played too many MMOs before GW2.
If I get on another character, their map hasn’t unlocked map waypoints, they don’t share karma, 400 crafting on one doesn’t transfer to all, not have access to story-line stuff til they do it too (even tho it’s the same stupid story)…
Folks, a terrifying calamity has struck Lion’s Arch and other communities.
People need help. Now is not the time to ask “what’s in it for me?”
You have to look at what ANet’s strengths and weaknesses are.
Story quests have been outrageously buggy, all thru beta, all thru launch, with people blocked in progress for months. It’s naive to hope they’d get it right for a one-off weekend thing.
GW2 isn’t about quests. ANet has programmed only dozens of them (compared to thousands in other games), so they just don’t have the tools or talent for it.
I like that there isn’t a pile of trash that’s just there to slow you down — they feel balanced in that regard.
Some requirements of teamwork to win.
I’ve only done 6 legs. So far, have to say it’s really good work.
Only ascended things in FotM are the rings and backpack, right?
You weren’t gonna get either of those in any other dungeon (neither exotic nor rare).
Better to run with a team of good people — suggest friend-list and/or guildmates.
Glad it worked out for the OP.
I like events, but they really need to improve the basic foundation of the game — get it to perform better. I’m watchin my son play in an invasion of karkas and it’s as bad as any portal-bomb zerg in wvw. Such miserable poor performance.
Umm… then why would I grind fractals?
I kinda actually do want something to work toward.
I can see that ascended gear really isn’t going to matter much, but at least it’s something.
The biggest slams in reviews against GW2 have been the lack of endgame. Very short time leveling to 80, get geared super easy, find out there’s nothing to do.
It’s casual-friendly to the point it’s serious-gamer-unfriendly. I know I know, get bored you can quit anytime cuz no sub. But some want to play and not feel it’s pointless.
If you’re actually finding the bugged npcs, you’re doing better than most
It’s one of those things coming _Soon_™
It’ll be in the form of private pvp arenas where you can 1v1 or 2v2 or 1v3 or whatever, so a lot less constrained and contrived than /duel is in most games.
I think the criticisms miss what’s really up. Because a truly great game could have all those elements.
For me the tipping point was when I got to Straits of Devastation, and found 3 identical zones full of identical mobs with no context, and zone design that’s just annoying. If it weren’t for the other things (dungeons, pvp, wvw), it’d be an awful game.
But crafting is outrageously easy and it gets you xp too. It’s not that it’s hard to get recipes, it’s that it’s too easy so nothing is profitable.
The combat system, sure I get what’s being said. But my characters in other games, if you watched my hands, they were actually rather repetitive, if you had a decent rotation. It’s not the buttons you press, but rather the fun you have while pressing them.
If you’re not enjoying the game, it’s cuz the “fun” part is missing.
I still don’t get the point.
What in GW2 takes 2 hours per day, everyday?
Whatever it is, couldn’t you fit it into whatever play time you wanted?
The whole appeal of GW2 is it’s the MMO for people who don’t like MMOs. No complicated skill trees to learn, no rigid raid schedule, freedom to easily equip your character with gold/gem/$ conversion. Of any mmo I ever saw, this one is made for busy professional.
The fire creatures like you find in Mt Maelstrom are immune to burning.
Ideas like this have been around since D&D where skeletons took only 1 damage from arrows and fireballs would heal fire elementals.
GW2’s style is to be extremely simple.
Certainly you could have systems where blunt and slashing weapons perform worse against heavy armor, where Krait are immune to water damage, etc. Generally to make it fair, you give vulnerabilities as well as resistances, so the critter that’s resistant to fire takes damage from “chilled.” Could make for a game where you’re more strategic about weapon and ability choice. I’d enjoy that, if it were in game.
But consider what GW2 is for. It’s a non-sub game with 2+ million accounts sold. Its appeal is it’s prob’ly the easiest mmo ever, easy to jump into, no need to study, no complicated skill trees or anything like that. K.I.S.S. is more consistent with the mission.