Guild Wars 2

I do agree with the OP.

There are seems to be a select few like soac and others who are really pushing the shoutcasting etc.

I honestly am bored with gw2 atm and have been playing d3 of all games. The rewards/progression in spvp suck. I feel like I have no incentive to play. As a thief spvp is frustrating when every other class does what you do better.

Least in d3 I can pwn massive amounts of npc without getting frustrated that I just got knocked down for the 4th time in a row.

Whenever a thief kills someone, what they used to do it is always considered “OP” because its a thief.

Why do people keep wanting to nerf thieves?

I hate reading threads like this.

Must have missed it then. I dunno, maybe then, but even if they are true they are most likely to change before getting released to the public. We all know how ANet likes to change their minds at the last minute.

Pretty sure they are fake because they don’t mention the condi removal on warrior burst skills which is public knowledge.

Are u sure those patch notes are real?

Best advice for fighting mesmer is to stealth as much as possible. Turn off “Show All Enemy Names” so that the real mesmer is the only one with red name above his head.

If he has a staff and stands in his clones while you are stealthed, then just run away you will never beat him because you can’t land backstab.

Otherwise, you need condi removal and 30SA to beat them.

Lol. Glass cannon hit thief hit you for 12k. Typical damage for wvw. We can’t do that in spvp.

I fought my first competent ranger in 1v1 who was from db!

He prob could have killed me 1v1 but I was in a duo at the time.

The OP is either trolling or he’s a complete noob. Thieves are not OP. They are far from it.

Lol l2p. I hate saying it but its what noobs need to hear.

Jumper.9482:

He pretty much played it as the stereotype is portrayed, 3333333 dodgedodgedodge 33333333.
He wasn’t really mixing it up and properly animation canceling and reacting to his opponent as he should have been; 33dodge331dodge3dodge31dodge33dodge331dodge331 etc.
He is much better at D/P and I think his favouritism for the kit shows (he doesn’t really like the S/D playstyle).

I didn’t watch him in this tourney but I have fought him in solo q. I told him I was disappointed he went the s/d troll build and he basically got all super defensive and acted like I was ruining his day. I thought he was terrible as s/d compared to him as d/p. we beat his team fairly easily and I don’t think he actually killed anyone. His excuse for playing s/ d was that he thought it helped out his team more in team fights. The guy can play what he wants, but when your opponent tells you that your d/p is stronger than your s/d, maybe not get all crazy and learn something from it?

I think he even made mention of our conversation in the revealed episode. I laughed.

Jumper is awesome at s/d. Caed not so much. I’ve fought against both.

Thieve is pretty OP under water if played right.

Roll for the init + withdraw will get you across the entire lake almost, certainly out of clip range.

Infiltrators signet for regen, spam 5 and never get hit.

Under water fighting is terrible in this game no matter what class you are.

This is a terrible idea, but spvp does need more rewards. Maybe the ability to buy wvw gear with glory. Pve xp would be nice, etc..

4s revealed and a lot of the damage nerfs need to be reverted…

Thief needs their damage back.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

swinsk.6410:

This is not DAOC and that is exactly how DAOC stealth worked.

I much prefer stealth the way it is now. It’s WAY more engaging and it feels WAY more thief/assassin to me.

This is would be literally useless in spvp and practically kill the class in spvp.

The hell it is. No Thief/Assassin would do what a Thief does in this game. If you feel this is a correct feeling of a Thief, then maybe we should rename the class to “Dodgy Stealthy Spammer”

The hell it would. The ability to delay an entire enemy team with a well-constructed ambush? In it’s current state, Thief is already pretty much useless in sPvP. It’s nothing more than an annoying scavenger. It’d atleast be able to give Thieves some sort of purpose rather than the annoying thing that Mesmers replicate far better.

You obviously don’t do much tpvp/spvp do you? I do agree that we are pretty low on the tpvp totem poll, but we can definitely farm people in hotjoins fairly easily.

These kitten changes you are talking about would ruin the class in both situations and I would literally just quit playing the thief because it would be lame and boring like every other MMO out there.

Why does GW2 have to be like every other MMO with their stealth class? It’s uniqueness with stealthing in combat the way it does is what got me hooked on this game.

Just stop QQing about stealth and move on already. I don’t have a problem with it when I play as other classes, why do you?

I think jumper nailed it. I approve this message. Master of Timeandspace is just a noob mesmer troll who likes to post on thief forums.

This is not DAOC and that is exactly how DAOC stealth worked.

I much prefer stealth the way it is now. It’s WAY more engaging and it feels WAY more thief/assassin to me.

This is would be literally useless in spvp and practically kill the class in spvp.

Smoke screen blocks his projectiles. Also if you untarget old Tom and then walk inside his body the projectiles won’t hit you either.

What this game needs more is noobs complaining about stealth…

I think xp for spvp is a good idea.

Basi venom isn’t an attack lol.

Most thieves will be in stealth for about 3s. When it stealths, wait 3s, then dodge.

If your a mesmer, use staff with the blinks, it helps a lot. If he doesn’t have condi removal it’s an iwin.

Also, as a mesmer, stand directly in your clones and it will literally make it impossible to land a backstab.

I feel like infusion/rejuv/embrace are mandatory traits.

Ever try fight engi or ranger without condi clears?

Hidden thief isn’t that great compared to your other choices, but who knows. A little birdie told me they plan to make 1-5 changes in all if our trait lines. That can only mean huge nerf to shadow arts IMO.

D/p isn’t a noob build. It’s just simply the best weapon choice for stealthing.

In spvp there is 4s revealed. X/d is dead in spvp because of that. 4s is an eternity if you are not standing in a black powder.

In wvw, sorry to say, but stacking stealth is needed. People cry so much about heart seeker spam over black powder. How is that any different from x/d spamming cnd off creatures?

Noobs will be noobs. In wvw d/p is king. If you aren’t running it you are stubborn and gimping yourself. In spvp you have 2 choices. D/p or s/d evasion build.

Way I see it, thief is locked into a small amount if builds simply because everything else has been nerfed into the ground. Thanks anet!

Get rid of D/D and use D/P. You can literally just sit there and hit 5, spam 1.

Don’t even need to move.

I farm supply camps solo with full zerkers/scholars.

You need black powder.

Grats to you! I could easily post screen shots of 20k+ backstabs. Doesn’t mean I want to run around with that much DA tho.

I hit an underleveled warrior for 24k with BS. 0/30/30/10/0 assasin signet, scholar runes and full zerker suit.

Those numbers are impossible in spvp btw, even with the signet build.

If these changes went through every single thief would go s/d evasion build and stealth builds would be dead.

LOL @ noobs who QQ!

Forgot about shortbow nerf. That one hurt a lot in spvp. I still use shortbow tho because its still out best aoe weapon.

the only thing you can do in the front line is daggerstorm+signet of malice, but you will still die almost instantly…

shadowstep in and then out quickly and tag a few people, then use shortbow…

PVE on theif? Just roll a warrior.

D/d used to be amazing before dancing dagger nerf. Since then it’s sucked.

Anet said thief was supposed to be “the burst class” and then gave one of thier main burst abilities over 50% damage nerf.

Why run burst thief anymore? Half the time the enemy stun breaks it. The other half they don’t die quick enough and you are left exposed with little defensive tools.

IMO, thief burst got killed with mug nerf. I’d like to see something done for burst thief.

Mesmer and warrior do better burst and thier burst is aoe! Why did thief receive such a big nerf? Cause of noobs…

Either that or id like to see damage improved for 0/30/30 builds.

P/p useless.

S/d infiltrator strike weapon swapping bug needs to be fixed.

4s revealed needs to go. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve come from wvw to spvp only to get myself owned because I try to stealth to early. 4s revealed was the dumbest most unnecessary nerf ever.

Thieves need help in spvp. Wvw they seem fine except for game breaking stealth traps.

Would be really nice if we could get the damage from full zerkers from wvw in spvp…

I honestly think thieves will get a big fat nerf next patch.

I am very nervous they didn’t say anything about thieves on the sotg.

I don’t think thieves burst ever needed to be nerfed. Post mug nerf we are not the “burst” class anymore. Mesmers and warriors do it better than us now.

This is the exact opposite of what they said in the past SOTG’s. They said they wanted thief to be a strong burst class but that it was “too” bursty.

Now it’s not bursty enough. Why sacrifice staying power and survivability for a burst that will get stopped by anyone with a quick reaction.

When you play tPvP at the higher levels catching someone in a burst is very, very hard. The only way it’s going to happen is literally if their abilities are down and no other team mates are around to help.

At teh same time a noob would get destroyed mug and call it “OP” because they would die in second and what would “seem” like no time to react.

If you thought mug was overpowered, you are a noob that has never played against good players. It could have been toned down, but not this much. A heal on mug? That is totally counter intuitive for a burst build.

Mug is burst ability used at the very start of a fight with 100% hp. The heal on it is USELESS for bursting someone down. It would have been more useful if it caused blind, or weakness, or like 5 stacks of vulnerabilty, or something useful for killing the target quicker.

ANet failed on the mug nerf.

Noob on fellow thieves!

EDIT: Wanted to add about thief burst compared to others. Mesmer/Warrior/Engi/Ele are all AOE burst. Thief is single target. Which is why it should have never been nerfed the way it did imo.

I run full scholars in wvw and spvp. I love the 10% increased damage. I am usually above 90% before every stealth attack and with d/p blind field it’s easy to stay up there.

Yea. Everyone goes for warriors first because they die the quickest. They have really no defense at all except for running away with gs/sword+shield.

If they have defense, they have no offense and are generally useless.

Warriors suck in spvp. Prob worst class for spvp at the moment. This will hopefully change next patch.

Good to see thieves have been nerfed so hard over the patches they have gone from deadly to annoying!

Thieves have best mobility, which is stealth.
Thieves do not have best burst anymore.

Thieves are best roamers in wvw, but they are not nearly as good in tpvp/spvp.

Thieves are balanced. If anything they need some love to compete with warrior and Mesmer burst which are by far superior to that of a thief.

Cool story bro.

Good mesmers can beat thieves fairly easily, but as a necro it’s hard to 1v1 a thief. Necro isn’t exactly the 1v1 class. They are more team battle class.

I’ve always thought this game should have built in voice chat.

Not just for tpvp….

Shadows Embrace >>>>> P/D

I main a thief and swapping from wvw to spvp is clunky. I always die a few times coming back from wvw and when I go to wvw from spvp I don’t take full advantage of it for a while.

4s revealed killed d/d. Only noobs or condi builds run it, with the exception of rare burst builds that are for hot join lulz.

I really think the 4s should have been reverted everywhere. There never was a problem with thieves stealthing.

If you have the regen in stealth trait you can’t get shadows embrace or infusion of shadow. You have to give up one or the other.

So, while you may regen lots of HP, any condition character will destroy you.

OR

You will die because you will run out of init vs. any opponent that lasts fairly long to kill.

I think thieves should have revealed reverted to 3s in spvp.

L2p is the only appropriate response to the OP.

Ralathar.7236:

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While this is all valid and stuff, in my experience a thief just bails if he gets into trouble. If they have to burn shadow step>return they normally don’t return for you until around 50 seconds later or if they are a vengeful kitten they just hover near you and wait for a good opportunity to leech offa the situation.

I’ve had some shadow me for over 5 minutes before after being driven off just to get that kill on me whenever I have to fight something else. Likewise I’ve had some of them try again, and again, and again, and again just to run away every time before eventually things turn out their way.

This sort of behavior is exactly why this kind of escape needs a counter. Because otherwise the thief can just roll the dice till it favors him since the result of it not is just a draw. This is particularly bad with the perma-stealth builds, which also do not have any good counters, especially since a heartseeker can actually hit you and STILL stealth them.

I’ve lost to engineers 1v1. Well played engineers are my toughest fights in wvw. In spvp they can’t be beaten sometimes. In WVW I have more dps and a chance but the ones I lose too are the ones with lots of knockdowns.

You just need to play better and change your build if you want to fight in open field roaming.

Shadowstep is not the end all be all of a 1v1 as you make it out to be. You are just a bad player, obviously.

Him! I played with agran earlier for a few games. We didn’t have all thief team but we beat a bunch of high level players.

I went to 672 on leaderboards but we just 3 games in a row after a bunch of people dropped so prob not 672 anymore…

This might be fun.

I play d/p + sb. I normally run 0/30/30/10/0.

Rank 43 all played as thief save a few games here and there on other classes.

Immobilize while being finished but give abilities just like on land to avoid 1 stomp.

Either that or make it able to move while stomping under water.

Ripping breather off is good animation.

I don’t like the evasion builds. Not as fun as stealthing to me.

D/D kind of sucks as an anytime weapon. D/P is best for anytime. D/D is good for initial combo tho.

I run d/p and shortbow in spvp and d/p + d/d or s/d. Depending on what I’m fighting.

I really like d/d in wvw for the cnd-steal-backstab. People don’t react quickly in wvw. Mostly noobs.

This trap is game breaking for thieves. I used it against a 2v1 thieves. Destroyed them both because as soon a you get them to 50% they try to stealth and can’t and frantically run around and then die. It’s liken to cutting the head off a chicken.

I’ve used it in 1v1 as well. I popped refuge and let the d/p thief hit me while dropping it. Then I backstab and spam 2 and he dies.

I don’t wvw a lot and I haven’t been hit by one myself. I’m on jq.

Who cares it cost 15 badges and 500 karma? I have over 1 mil karma and over 1k badges, even after buying a bunch of wvw infusions.

You are a turret engineer. The only way he can beat you is by killing those turrets at range or waiting for them to die.

Thiefs cannot fight inside a bunch of turrets.

If it were me I would have just use shadowstep the second I got stunned and then BP+HS to remove conditions with shadows embrace. Swapped to shortbow and come back and range them down or just leave you there looking silly with a bunch of turrets.

EDIT: Turret engineer is a stationary fighter and you will not beat the most mobile class in the game with the LEAST mobile class in the game.

Thief is balanced. Sorry to break it to you.

Could use some bug fixes tho but balanced.