Oh, downstate. However rare, sometimes i think of playing this to try out pvp again, but then i remember downstate, and i laugh to myself and forget about this game for another few months. This is simply the worst pvp mechanic i have ever seen and its making a bad game stay bad.
I will never play this game when there are so many other pvp games that dont have this (GEE I WONDER WHY THEY DONT ANET). You stay super speshul, gw2. Its totally working out.
Your matches have been even. You are on the high skill side of the curve and haven’t been getting any new players on any of your recent rosters. Both you and the people you’ve played with have had a stable MMR.
I don’t know what to tell you.
Dont need to tell him anything else, just the other 1000 people with jaded perceptions, lack of information and who remember only the bad matches.
Some anti-class stack thing would help some of the crying too.
I dont think balance is the highest priority. This is a pretty silly example but say two spirit rangers are duelling, or all classes can auto attack for the same damage. Would be really balanced, but who in their right mind would actually watch, play, or care?
Stop having everything do everything. Reduce AI, AA and AoE. Make power builds worth something. Dont just have downed state in because you are unable to create flow in the actual combat.
We can reroll easily. I know we all want to play our eles and power necros in tournaments someday, but as long as there are other options that require any semblance of thought then what class im playing just isnt as important.
You can have perfect balance but still no reason to play.
If you feel that downed states ‘kill again or run’ and ‘legs broken, lets spam #1’ adds amazing depth to the game, then either you or the game must be heavily lacking in depth to begin with.
Can someone please translate what happened in this round:
but guy at srat say ok gusy lisen plan
1 close 1 animal 1 far rest mid
ok ok i say i am mid coz far is noob
burt map say i am 1 mid rest animal no close no far
and i die hard lol
loost
But yeah overall this post made the entire Dec 10 patch seem insignificant XD
Translation:
“At the initial strategy phase of the game I joined, I presented the following plan to my fellow teammates: ‘Dear sirs, would one of you kindly cover the closest point, and then another person attack the nearest NPC type beast for the point bonus, and finally, would the rest of you accompany me to engage the enemy at the middle point?’
However, to my distress, I found myself bereft of assistance when I went to the middle point and when I looked to find where my team was located, I found them all attacking the NPC beast. Not a single person had even decided to attempt in capturing either the point closest to our starting point, nor the farthest!
As a result of this ill fortune, I stood no chance to the overwhelming odds I faced as the enemy advanced upon my position, and I was struck down. Sadly, the game ended up as a loss."
Downstate is the best thing that ever happened to this game.. I can’t believe how people can’t understand that if there was no downstate Burst DPS builds wouldn’t even be run and this safety meta would become a Special olympics safety meta.
Can you believe that balance patches would still appear after downstate would be gone? But ofcourse its easier using ‘special olympics’ arguments and assuming it will suddenly be in tomorrow ruining the game.
At any rate i think a single toggle would help both sides of the argument. And when we get deathmatches i’d really really want the option there as well…but that is going to be a little more difficult.
I dislike downed for various reasons but i will just mention the biggest one for me: it just kills any sort of rush and viewability by having almost every kill come down to the same little boring mini-game. Its just so counterintuitive in pvp where the fights are supposed to be as varying as possible. The whole system just feels like handholding and being given a second chance when screwed up. That is nót going to make pvp games intense or interesting.
nah seriously tho this is stupid. This will get pve players to try pvp, but is detrimental to getting new pvp interested players into the game itself..if they ever did.
Lmfao, so much Thief hate because they’re a hard class to master but easy to stomp scrubs with.
“Omg dat fief reset da fite lik his class was dazined 2 op scrub coward hahaha nerf it stupid crutch noob!!!”
^ Average PvP player.
^ Average hyperbole/leetspeek post scrub
Also, when a designer is agreeing with somebody else, maybe you are wrong? Nah, that would be impossible you cant be wrong, after all you can leetspeek albeit very unfunny and lame!
^ Average post taking an obviously non-serious post seriously.
Also, there is no designer agreeing with him. I would love to see where that occurred.
If you’re non serious at least improve your hilarious nubtalk
I guess we could even get an option to automatically deny a request for a duel, like we have for whispers and trades iirc. With that in i see no reason at all not to give dueling to players.
Lmfao, so much Thief hate because they’re a hard class to master but easy to stomp scrubs with.
“Omg dat fief reset da fite lik his class was dazined 2 op scrub coward hahaha nerf it stupid crutch noob!!!”
^ Average PvP player.
^ Average hyperbole/leetspeek post scrub
Also, when a designer is agreeing with somebody else, maybe you are wrong? Nah, that would be impossible you cant be wrong, after all you can leetspeek albeit very unfunny and lame!
Sheesh. True there’s too much passive play in PvP, but you’re missing a key element of why the passive play in PvP is bad. Skills like Healing Signet and Ranger Spirits, and skills traits like Dhuumfire are bad for multiple reasons, none of which are directly tied to their passive nature. Healing Signet’s not bad simply because it’s passive, it’s bad because it’s a relatively high heal with no conditions to fulfill. Strong passives need conditions to keep them in check. For example, if they changed it so HS’s passive was halved while under the effects of a condition, or the passive heal went on a 3 second cooldown when the warrior took crit damage, it’d be far less complained about when it is now, because it’d be easily countered.
In short, what I’m saying is: passive effects don’t inherently make passive effects bad. Its the lack of checks and balances on strong passives that make them bad. Don’t try to oversimplify problems.
Haha wow.
Did you forget signets have an Active? Thats how its supposed to be countered. But the passive is way too strong so people say: kitten that kitten is so passive.
Not all of us want dueling in the game. At least not in the open world. If it’s in some kind of arena, I’m totally cool with it however.
You dont even say why you dont want dueling. Lets pretend you did, then i would say ‘but you dont have to duel if you dont want to.’ Its like people just type things without even thinking about what argument they’re putting forth.
Dueling doesnt mean that every thief out there can backstab your face off while you’re grinding.
Please people define Meta?
is it the numbers of people playing a certain build, or is it something else?
It is what is deemed most effective to play by the best of players which the majority then usually follows.
In mobas for instance there could be a Carry Meta. Farm really hard and protect 1 guy who then comes out unstoppable. But then the best guys come up with a Push meta, one where games are ended quickly so the carry doesnt get time to farm, and they win a tournament with it or whatever. Which ofcourse everyone starts playing. But that in time could be beaten by an anti push meta or going heavy ganker and they even have bans which adds a whole nother layer.
Unfortunately its a little more difficult in GW2 to really make a counter strategies like that, since the objective of holding points always stays the same and meta is more dictated by the classes’ power themselves rather than a general team strategy, but meta’s do change slowly at times even without developer interaction. I wonder if we would see meta’s change quicker in Arena deathmatch type games.
Thats smart, giving PvE players the Living Story every 2 weeks and PvP players this developer show & tell thing every 2 weeks. Since its impossible and counterproductive to add new content as readily in PvP as PvE, i’d say most PvP players would think this is a fair deal. Discussing with devs and feeling that you are being heard is as important to us as living story is to the pve players.
Well this patch certainly isnt going to buff us to top levels or nerf the top guys down to ours. So then we’re talking a month or two for the next patch which is obviously not going to single handedly fix us either, so add a couple more months on that and you have a very optimistic estimate of when Ele will no longer be the Jokes of all Trades.
Speaking as someone who only does PvP casually for the achievements involved and, yes, the rank involved, removing rank progression and the earning of new finishers is a horrible idea.
I hate ladders, and no matter what I’m certain I’ll completely ignore whatever form of ladder you eventually put in the game. I would hate the ladder even more if it took away a form of reward which I can actually look forward to playing PvP for.
You cant stand it if a player who’s better than you has something you dont? You dont want a ladder to show you that other people are better? Must each Finisher or title be grinded and attainable by everybody?
If all that keeps you playing is a reward or a little useless number that’s useless because everyone can get it as long as they sit in their chair for a long time, i think you’re right at home in PvE anyway.
Do we get the gold for the time we invested?
Since our rewards are being removed from the game we may as well. Going by 3k+ hours played and you can farm what 10g an hour in pve? Let’s say I was playing 2k hours of that continuously that’s 20,000 gold.
So I will effectively be behind pve players in pvp rewards because of this new gold bs. UNLESS I’m compensated for the rewards they’re removing. Or are we being screwed over again?
Glopry is going to be convertable into gold. That’s your reward.
Thats not the reward, its to ensure that PvP players wont be crazy behind on gold compared to the PvE players. It would have been really unfair if we started out with basically 0 gold when it becomes a universal currency. Which i guess you could call a reward actually, lol
Gold was added as a match reward. I don’t know your interface for pvp match rewards, but I can’t see this taking more than a few days. It’s exactly the same process as adding glory to our account.
New skills to the game. Done by a different team. PvP team used the existing system for player acquisition. A few days tops.
4 new daily achievements! Disregarding how worthless the AP account bonus is for pvp, you have so many new APs for living world that this can’t be hard to change. I don’t think this should take more than a couple days.
Wow dude you have a very simple, entitled view of things. Adding a new currency (yes, new for this gamemode) that needs to be balanced with WvW Gold and PvE Gold to ensure people dont just go to the most profitable side again takes more than just coding. If you dont think this requires a little more research you are daft.
Hell even about skills you’re sitting here saying they could be implemented in a couple days. Clearly we should just toss in any skill without trying to balance them a little first right? Couple days tops!! lmao
I truly dont care about that PvE fluff like being able to lvl a char through pvp, its not like i’ll be doing anything in pve with it anyhow. But on the count of getting more people trying pvp, maybe some of those gold hungry WvW’ers where there could be some great players walking around for all you know, and since it seems people need to feel rewarded through the whole game for every little thing these days, it should be good to get more players in and alleviate queue times at least somewhat.
Hopefully resulting in more nabs fighting eachother and leaving you to climb up, if nothing else.
What would be great is if rank finishers would be given out depending on your rating/leaderboard/league placing. With the the very top players getting a legendary -edit- weapon.
So, instead of having a meaningless number, we’d have our finishers tied to something that actually shows skill over simple grinding.
P.S. Moba’s do show Ult cooldowns on the UI, some sort of information about enemies can easily play a big part in competitive matches without dumbing anything down as it just becomes another strategy element, you dont hear anyone crying in moba’s that ppl can see that you used your ult.
Not saying we need that here but talking more general-like.
I’ve had the opposite, the matchmaking in this game is the most fair I have seen in any game that is considered an MMO. If you want to talk about broken matchmaking, play a game like world of Warcraft.
Why? I think WoW legitimatly had one of the best Arena systems, you could see your MMR whenever you wanted, you saw exactly how much you won or lost after a fight, there were a ton of people playing, it was very fluid and the queues were short, i can count the amount of 2v3 games on one hand after thousands of games, the only place where matchmaking was bad was in ratings of say 2400 and up where you ended up with -10 point losses and +1 point wins but that happens in the higher ratings of pretty much every MMO no?
Even if we got perfect balance in this patch, it would get umm less perfect when the traits and sigils are updated anyway. So i would actually advice focusing more on those than what they seem to do now. Then again, since they havent done a thing with sigils and almost nothing with bringing up kittenty traits in a full year, i guess that ruins the party so:
Just focus on getting 1 build of each class into some sort of even representation. With Ele and War just trading places between best and worst pvp class, to pick an example, we will never get there. While doing that, fix a couple useless traits at the same time, bring that along with the balancing decisions. When that is somewhat done we would ofcourse need another game mode, and only after that i would focus on getting sigils up to par and at least aiming on a 2nd build with another role (power/cond/CC/bunker etc) for each class. But the most important is having 1 build on each class that you feel is balanced between effectiveness, difficulty, and eachother.
Is there not something in game like this? Where a 4v5 loss would cost you much less MMR than a fair fight? The MMR you gain is always dependant on the enemies you beat or lose to. Maybe it just doesnt show as readily on just the leaderboards?
ANET are people really losing all their gained MMR from a fair fight if they get a 4v5 after?
