Guild Wars 2

Has anyone tried zerker armor, zerker backpiece, cele necklace and earrrings, marauder rings and weapons as crusaders. Use Durability runes!!! Energy and blood lust sigil or doom sigil. I haven’t tried that in beta since, I didn’t want to waste those runes on a weekend test only.

^ After being reprimanded by moderators I saw the error in my ways. I strongly support everyone go play staff ele in spvp and wvw. Go out there I suggest go a fight a high level thief or maybe 2 or pick a fight with reapers and a chrono. Staff used to be strong so I’m sure you guys can go 1v3. Get some experience an practice fighting them.

I suggest practice vs havoc teams and don’t use tempest traitline you won’t learn core staff ele well. Just read the winds and go at it. Be bold don’t even camp a tower or bay just stand in the middle of south sentry like you see the roamers. Keep that camera rolling I want to see you guys represent. Show anet that staff is strong vs wvw meta roamer builds show that you can down things under 30 seconds. If you don’t well it’s great so anet can see the flaws and hopefully balance staff ele for wvw and spvp. You see they buff many core vanilla specs like war, necro, guardian and thief trait lines.

Please post roaming vids here so anet can see core staff ele in spvp or wvw. I prefer wvw so they understand what needs updating or cooldown adjustments.

Staff ele used to be beautiful pre HOT around 2015 It’s very fun, resistance did’nt exist or prot on demand or stability spamming and condi meta was OP and spam able but since it was frown upon you don’t see 90% of the pop in wvw using it. Maybe 40% and less mobilty dodge spamming for those classes and that was before HOT attributes.

Don’t worry anet will make a rune set that is like power driven that allows you to lose condi every time you activate a stance and gain 3 secs of regen. Ask for new runes that go with the new path of fire. You guys have to think outside the box.

Ele needs some buffs as tiny damage increase or new conditions like add 1 stack of poison to Ring of Earth or increase Frozen Burst damage by like 300%! Wait there is more, add 2 seconds of super speed to Ride the Lightning, Magnetic Leap adds 2 stacks of torment for 7 seconds, and Conjure Fiery Greatsword should become a large steak sandwich you can beat people with. I’m serious do it anet! Cough cough you like Rabbit mounts from bomber man! Bring back South Island ecto bikini and thong armor skin set via gem store, you promise me that last year!

Lol that euro kitten. I’d be running fire meta in 2013 and they say it was invented in 2017. You can run staff and I kill you in 1 min in North America. You run scepter and I kill you in 1 min. If you stand in wvw my d/d fire core ele will mow you done in 6-7 hits. IF if you play glass fire ele or tempest I will mow you down in even less time. LOL EU stay Eu don’t troll me. We debate about the skill, builds and armor spec difference long time ago. PFFFT roll over. Come to NA watch me melt from 1v3 condi or 1v7 and see me sometimes burst 3-4 guys for no reason at all. But yeah those have limited and cotrolled viable outcomes. GO d/d ele and fight S/D condi thief, a chorno condi, a Stun D/p thief semi bunker stack burst and a condi engi pp scrapper. Survive the and do a black flip.

LOL Do you know I play a main hand sowrd thief and nothing else and i can still kill players in wvw, I aslo Play a mace guard with focus and mow down 1v2 glass or condi players since they lack sustain. It’s call reading players and welcome to NA! You kittens. Also tempest are easily stun just use semi bunk pogo thieves with d/p easy. Or a good core d/d ele can easily burst them down if they don’t flee!

Weaver wont have an issue in wvw roaming or solo they would be like current d/d core ele. Since you can an array of balance stance you can make in wvw, however in spvp it’s not the same. The issue is can it fight on point vs the new spec condi bunkers and cc dps on the spvp captures. You don’t have to always fight in one spot in wvw, but yeah you wil prob lose the guard sentry point to them.

Well after the expansion is a no. The Mirage will overwhelm the Weaver on point, that dodge is op since you don’t move and you break stun and lose a condi on demand. The base skills apply so much condi it’s awesome.

Second Scourge is battle condi bunker with aoe, spike heals and barriers. Dont forget the boon corruption of nercos are still on almost every core skill.

Firebrand even more bunker with more condi aoe I assume it can really stall on points.

And the spellbreaker will rob boons and totally mess you up with ccs.

The only thing we haven’t seen yet is the damage of all sword offhand skills.

I hope they bring a game spikes or lots of new condi as cover. even better blocks, or evade combo attacks or launches.

We lack launches.

There are more people that spvp and wvw than people who raid and do high level fotm. Do you guys even lift. I mean pve in general has lots of players. But raid players well you can’t really sell emo kids yelling on ts. Wait you might can if anet switch esports to emo sports. RAID can be the next esports, lets stop wvw and spvp!

Cause raid dps is seriously the only thing in guild wars 2 right!

Weaver will not out dps Tempest glass. Weaver is hedge hog for wvw and spvp players to try to play outside healing builds. As for pve side core ele would out dps the weaver. The mix range and soft conditions are on pvp side of things that are most beneficial in wvw. Since in spvp they would be destroyed on point by the more tank/healing condi burst Mesmer and Necro new specs.

It’s just another play style for players out side pve since in pve you don’t need play style just dps and load egos.

Kind like spvp and or wvw but dps is not so important. More like spike, cc and condi cover. Plus you are flashy not necessary viable in battle but did I not mention you are really flashy and have a sword. NO you have dual swords!!!!!!!! I mean that’s good enough even if Weaver can’t deal with the new mechanics of cc, condi burst and bon corruptions.

But wait we have 2 swords but tempest is nerfed fpve and wvw. Well pve pffftt it’s just dps, you will get there slower. As for wvw well stay in teams and zerg and pretend you contributed to dps as a minstrel or cele or crusader gear heal bot.

I mean anet just change the appeal slighty and bam you guys think Weaver can solve pve issues no…. they won’t ever out damage tempest since FA and f3 is op.

Even the Weaver in spvp won’t hit hard… the lack of different condis that can be use as cover and low damage doesn’t help. You can’t chain combos in a tight ring when you have no defense vs the cc, condi burst and boon corruptions. That dodge spam barrier could come in handy but no. CC = dead reaver and guess what most of the new class can out tank, cc and dps or condi you. But in wvw you will be alright in those 1v1 or yeah those 1v1 till you get close enough to be cc and x.x

The best visualization I can say is a slow necro power dagger user with some skill that hit Axe range. Some of the skills mimic Mesmer gs but way less range. if there are enough blocks in sword Defender rune maybe be viable. regen in blocks leads to condi clear if trait in water.

And no, Stun thieves surpass eles or tempest regardless. most of them run semi. You ask your TC counter parts I’ve killed. But if they trait to non stop stun tempest can’t win since your not core and you lack prot on demand and stun breakers through rotations. Than a gain no one comment on these pages much sigh.

Stun thief is not glass but can out put the same dps but 15% less on burst damage.

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He gets about 2k heal on rotation back to water and1.8k heal regen with condi removal. He lose 1 condi everytime he regens, so if he using meta tempest that’s 1.5k heal on activation aura and vigor in addition. In theory stun thief d/p or with S/P should be tempest eventual with spammer rups if tempest is only using cele.

Minstrel ele’s do way less damage but are like tankeroos …. still thief should win. Unless your pure glass and not rupting key f number skills.

Pre launch I was able to use my core d/d ele to fight and beat dual tempest team. Right before the massive trait line nerfs. Core d/d ele Pre June 2015 is stronger than tempest at it’s prime and stronger than Weaver. But hey we get to use sword, that’s the selling point. It’s new and I waited a long time to wield the Bolt and since last week I have Shinning Blade.

Anet knows that we will never give up on ele. We will make due and keep on trucking as always.

Conjures are weaker than kits. Kits have access to lots of different conditions, crowd control and range damage. Anet would have to completely re-work the functionality of all conjure weapons. They wont because they will increase ele DPS and more people would play ele like when the game first came out. And you get the other classes screaming to nerf ele. Poor anet tries to make their customers happy. X.X

^ won’t work efficiently in spvp. It’s selfish with non team shared buffs, stablity, condi resistance or clears. Feels more like a wvw roamer like a core ele rotations with more jazz. Still will suffer from the same weakness boon corruption, condi unload burst and hard or soft cc followed by power spiking cleaves or more condi unload. New specs for other prof have increased condi, active damage buffers or damage negating mechanics. Weaver wont be able to hold 1v1 or dps someone off points unless they don’t know how to pvp.

Weaver still wont out dps tempest. Weaver is a glassy half served solution in wvw and spvp with all the same weakness of boon coruption, condi dps and soft or hard cc. So no real game change has been applied like what they did with other professions that’s why this feel weird. It’s the non-eles pve players complaining and qqing. Guess what non-ele pve players, ele/tempest players make your job easier you brag about how they help you. Now you want them nerfed. Sounds like it’s more like witch hunt, some cried to anet again. Tempest if made full glass would out dps rotation users like Weaver. DPS don’t work vs players they roll or apply boon coruption, condi dps and soft or hard cc …… x.x

Yeah they are useless and a further nerf in wvw or pve by far. Well at least I can tap lame thieves with the arcane skill now that 1500 range is helpful to keep them in combat. Other than updates are complete nerfs

RANGER trait line buffs:

Opening Strike: This trait now grants Opening Strike to both you and your pet, rather than to just you.
Enlargement: This trait has been replaced with Stoneform. Stoneform casts Lesser Signet of Stone when your health drops below the 50% health threshold, granting you temporary immunity to damage from attacks.

Rejuvenation: The internal cooldown of this trait has been reduced from 18 seconds to 10 seconds.

Other’s are mechanic changes I need to further investigate. Still better than ele so :P

Also raids or high level FOTM DPS is self applied cap made by pve elites, who bank on a broken ele mechanic that works on AI and not on real people You should ban high level FOTM or Raids since your pve players are crying. Or make it easier for them. Please don’t drag pvp or wvw down.

It’s not high risk, high reward. It call your core ele with an extra dodge perk to generate an hp shield. So it’s Flashy but medium risk and low reward.

It’s just a core staff ele, core d/d or fresh air scepter ele with some new flare. You don’t have more conditions that do damage like torment in earth or perplexity when daze under air attunement. It’s really core a rotations with the same damage if you were to pve. It is acutally weaker than tempest if it had been nerf so many times the last year pve wise. In spvp it wont make that much difference limited stats in pvp will get it killed. In wvw you have much more wiggle room, however increased cc, boon corruption or heavy consistent condi burst will still kill it also.

But it’s pretty and at least a step in the right direction.

Lol Weaver would be fine arcane water and weaver! You can’t face tank. but you have lots of vigor to dodge fight.

You don’t have to use all new utilities, like zerker warrior’s don’t use their zerker heals, the use mostly core utilities. I assume core stun breaker.

As for the prof .. it seems like a fan driven idea that lead to fan working with developers.

Ele lose to thief you lack stun breakers. You can build to counter and roll thieves as an ele but that you cant counter condi burst and boon corruptions as a core ele. That’s always the issue and will still be the issue in spvp or wvw. Wvw way easier due to more stats variety. Spvp is something to see.. thieves are the last thing you will worry about, Watch out for new Mesmer and Necro bunker heals and condi spikes.

He want’s using arcane traitline there is always a 3 secs attunement swap. try swapping without arcane. if you do a chain its around 2.5 seconds. SO if you fire 2 chanelling you can f1 again and tap the fire 5. It’s just like you are swapping into a mini attument. If you are a core ele d/d rotate like I do strait 2-3 of roations as a d.d ele everyday and around 6-9 hours on weekends so same thing. Just don’t be a noob and butter fingers. The combo skill isnt’ bad. Just hit 3 before you hit f1 to unload.

Overall its more damage and rotation its opposite from tempest’s dumb down of rotations.

You will still be vulnerable to boon corruption, boon steals, heavy condi burst, and soft and hard cc stun.

It is a good direction for ele to go. It’s a selfish ele where you focus on your self. Just don’t face tank.

Arcane, water and Weaver traitiline seems balance in wvw Scepter you can go air, water and weaver but I think damage might be a bit higher but losing arcane line can be quite dangerous for pure glass builds.

You never know and think about all the new condi buffs and now they have healing and damage mitigation on their sides and more cc.

Risk and reward… Pretty colors. You’ll be fine just pretend you are 2/3 D.D ele and 1/3 scepter ele. Don’t stand still you’ll melt, cele 60% with crusader and zerker sounds like fun as gear/accessories.

Keep in mind boon corruptions, condition burst, boon steals or soft and hard CCS wil still mess you up. Being covered with Perplexity or torment will still kill you. Safe bet in wvw I’d think would be arcane, water and weaver. Lot’s of dodges

Why not Bolt and The Shining Blade. Don’t think small, be the bunny that rolls the taco!

HIT F1 for fire/earth you want fire 4/5 hit F1 again. You can go straight into it. you have .15 second delayif you are faster .07 second

I was at work and I saw this at my break room computer. Late to respond.

You so the clip wrong…. On wooden potatoe.

You hit fire attunement you get fire/earth hit again fire attunement and you get pure fire attument 5/5. So you just have to double tap if you want raw fire. Or you can hit fire use fire and earth and hit fire attunment to get fire 4-5 you don’t have to rotate pass everything LOL.

I SEE YOUR PAIN BUT THERE IS NO PAIN JUST KITTEN IN YOUR EYES!!!!!!!

Also dodge mini damage reduction is used to counter the necro/condi reaper boon corruption damage mitigation not actual damage, going to earth with arcane trait line will protect you or using air to mitigate raw power damage. Eles lol.

Weaver will stil get boon corruption wreck so watch out for those 1v2. Also war will be able to boon strip, stun and skill freeze. So we aren’t that OP if rupted. I suggest d/d ele rotations to practice. Arcane shield/armor of earth is your friend with, air cantrip and sigil of air / fire cantrip. Have to evaluate stance deployment next week.

YAY I made the shining blade and I already have the bolt. Ready to Weave dual swords or daggers.

The collisions have been nerfed. Also pre hot since the change in 3 solid traitlines over poit distributing aka you used to be able to play full arcane trait line 2/3 water line and 1/3 Air and 1/3 earth. That was why ele was just HOT before HOT and now if every one is HOT (aka bunkeroo with dps and condi burst) they greatly exceed ele. This ain’t pve people aren’t mobs, staff ele was dead after mid 2014 for roaming and 1v1. Once awhile you can stil 1v1 very bad players but not viable at all against players that use non pve builds. You can zerg with staff and do choke points but everyone can do the same if zerging. Don’t worry I;m sure people can run Reaver’s traitline as strong dps and control while using staff, d/d or s/f. That’s the wvw roaming or spvp no buff bot but retro ele phase. I hope we access to the 4 elements but they just have something like lingering enchantments that allow the abilities to bleed into the next attunement swap for like 8 or 10 seconds.

Not boons since they will be ripped or corrupted, but the actually elemental power of the 4 elements.

Also ele core is weaker because the next expansion will fix that as re roll Reaver. That’s a market ploy since guild wars 1. I’m older than most you guys so shhhh and let me drink my kitten beer forged from tears of former gamers past. Hey guys go to Turbine forums and yell at them for not loving AC1 anymore more. Or ask why Darkstone, Dungeon siege or Dragon Nest why guildwars 2 have many of their game elements. Don’t even get me going about lineage 2 or Aion. I mean WVW and WINGS.

Wait you got me off topic. Ele was the most popular profession in the game back on the day. So people have to beat them up. Make sense why would you want to make them par with other class. You’d have like an army of d/d eles like back in 2012 in wvw melting away the core scrub professions. Or 2014 Spvp core d/d ele rampage as you can fighty of 1v3 or 1v5 for 45 seconds to 2 mins. I’m sorry we caused many of the spvp nerfs in the game…. but it was great and you all loved in NA. EU was still using 2012s back in 2014.. good times!

Feanor is wrong…. again about core. Core war GS and axe/shield is strong than Zerker GS axe and shield. Since stun heal bot has been countered and even more so after the nerf. GS and Hammer on vanilla outshines Zerker GS. Hammer any day. I mean do you even play wvw in NA. Guess not.

I’ve been on outnumbered map for over 20 mins participation is 6. I already received 4 chest on the map and so I did my time. Not just me but many players are getting this bug in wvw. Please fix.

That’s why I mean NA is different these kind actions do not exist, hence it is different in wvw. In duels you aren’t suppose to flag people but 40% of duels people still flag, which is rather sad. Or you get people throwing siege on people, or jumping on people things like that. I was just pointing out the differences. I will duel a war or a nerco or a thief I will never flag people. I scamper off so there is around 1600 range between us and than wait. Suddenly he /she calls the guildies 3-4 condi premades and roast me to the ground. Yah there are big difference not necessary on skill but play style and conduct. Guild hall duels and wvw duels have big difference too. Thia year August is my fifth year anniversary playing core ele since beta and 3 day head start. I also play ele in guild wars 1 since June 10 2015 straight over like if we add them together over 35k hours or something stupid like that. All paths RA, Codex, FA, JQ, AB HOH and the GvG( mix results if someone dcs) Always different even when we fought Europe server players or Asian servers players back in HOH. I’ve been playing guild wars over 13 years so I pretty much live it and breathe it on my spare time. I notice things trust me. I might not be fast as when I start playing the first game at 22 but I get around.

Raise cat in the air*
Why is he not using Axe/dagger or axe focus with GS. He’s just face tanking. Also duels with reapers consist of reapers with full Death shroud, so the fight should be different yield way different results. That’s why anet has moas or white mobs for reapers or thieves to kill. Same with DH judge ports. Nice moves but your friend is not running or playing like a 3k roaming wvw NA roamer would play. But I like your ele moves!! Very nice!

Good luck killing classes that want to run from you or out sustain you since after HOT those glass can do better than ele and dish out more power than ele. Not enough to kill you but you can never kill them but they cc like a kitten.

^ You can’t out live a 1v2 if playing core ele d/d vsing
Equal skill Condi Chrono or Condi boon corruption Reaper or DP / Staff Daredevil
Add random meta wvw build.

You can beat 2 power builds from bad players. Hey some times I can beat 3 or 4 but they are just bad players.

2 Condi unload builds with moderate sustain can easily drain you to death unless they suck.

Bad Ele and I used to play in the same server, than we were linked in wvw. Also we fought a few times against each other in Diamond league back ins season 2 Before I entered Legendary. I’m sure he did to. It was different back than easier. I solo queue and play during 6pm -8pm pac time got it done in a week or so. Pip scaling bonus was way easier fight a higher rank player you can get 3 win pips.

I mean haven’t spvp since season 2 other than 1v1 dueling in arenas for kittens and giggles. But wvw feels quite meh for ele roaming.

I roam 2-4 hours on week days and 2-10 hours on weekends.

People are bring teams of 2 on TS spiking condis or power hybrid

Running 4-7 Havoc teams

Unmarked Squads 7-16 to dispense death to roamers on home borderline

OrMulti squad campers so let say 3 squads of 10 -20

Our damage is too low outside off team play and requires you play tempest over core ele.

You can baby jab people to death but most classes can do a better job will less skill and time.

I guess swords might change the playing field till than. 1v1 solid if not vsing high level reaper geared on boon corupptions or high level condi chrono boon/ hybrid.

lucadiro.4519:

scorekeeper.6524:

Waisenpai.6028:

D/D ele is still not viable in spvp

Everything is viable in lower ranks. Supp ele in low ranks is a waste, since most people don’t know how to take advantage of it OR the ele is bad himself. In low ranks, it really is just pew pew pew.

Agree… I’m Platinum tier 1 and since Gold untill now I played mostly scepter/dagger core fresh air and I have to say that the burst potential you throw in teamfight Is way better than any support you Can give at teammates Who are going to die anyway most of the time.

Scepter core ele and d/d core ele is a different mechanic. Team play with premade friends on TS is no the same as solo queue without premade. And if you play in EU and NA. NA used to play lots of power builds in spvp or wvw but lately people like cheese.

Noble.2670:

Waisenpai.6028:

D/D ele is still not viable in spvp

I did say that in the description of the video, and in th video itself, I’m definitely not trying to say it is viable :P

I am just telling the others you playing on EU spvp and you being “you” makes it viable. But it’s not really if you solo queue. If you play with friends on team speak anything can be viable.

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Waisenpai.6028:

D/D ele is still not viable in spvp by seeing that current meta can’t stand on point with dodges and kitting 1v1. With cele in pre seasons introduction, I can still 1v2 on point win or lose I still occupy them for 1 minute. Pre Hot it’s like I can 1v3 and flip kite no issues same with being a celestial rifle engineer. The cd reduction on Renewing Stamina makes a big diff…. used to be 5 secs and it has been changed to 10 secs. It’s very game changing and the gutting or elemental rotation times.

All and all core ele’s arcane trait line was trashed in order to sell Tempest traitline in HOT. If anet would have left arcane trait line as guild wars 2 core elite traitline I’m sure the game would be great and nerfs would never happened. Anet botch that up since they won’t be able to sell as much HOT and that’s why you see the lack of core prof. But wait expansion coming up means that the next elite trait may cover the lack luster of burst dps and or condi (why would you need to buff condi ) but they will.

I’ve been enjoying d/d in PvP so far, but this is my first season (placed gold and currently still in gold). Tell me, what do you think of this setup?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAoYnMMA9MgVOAOYCcYilNAz9uGYPsDNgAQBkYFkBGBA-TJxHABKfCAaZ/BAeAAyXGAA

I seem to be able to hold my own when outnumbered, escape and heal, then zip back into the fight to prevent a full cap long enough until teammates show up. And then I can provide some pretty surprising burst damage in those team fights. But no idea how this would hold up in higher tier play.

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That’s tempest not core ele.

D/D ele is still not viable in spvp by seeing that current meta can’t stand on point with dodges and kitting 1v1. With cele in pre seasons introduction, I can still 1v2 on point win or lose I still occupy them for 1 minute. Pre Hot it’s like I can 1v3 and flip kite no issues same with being a celestial rifle engineer. The cd reduction on Renewing Stamina makes a big diff…. used to be 5 secs and it has been changed to 10 secs. It’s very game changing and the gutting or elemental rotation times.

All and all core ele’s arcane trait line was trashed in order to sell Tempest traitline in HOT. If anet would have left arcane trait line as guild wars 2 core elite traitline I’m sure the game would be great and nerfs would never happened. Anet botch that up since they won’t be able to sell as much HOT and that’s why you see the lack of core prof. But wait expansion coming up means that the next elite trait may cover the lack luster of burst dps and or condi (why would you need to buff condi ) but they will.

Spvp there is risk. In wvw there is non you can semi sustain to easily overwhelm a dh. There are a few wvw bunny Power builds with staff and D/P meant to fight outnumbered and face tank a zerg. You lose 25% damage but gain like 3 -4 times sustain. You can do wonders with condi.

But in spvp it’s the time limit and the lack of playing field and limit armor stats you can use.

I mean roaming for wvw.

I enjoy fighting DH particularly the [Lgnd] guild on NSP. They are kittenish with the siege and seem to teleport hack through walls and down cliffs but crazy good DH fighters in there.

^ That’s Fate from Borlis Pass. We were pair with NSP, SBI, DB, CD , MAG. We were with Mag when they pushed to the top and beat BG. It was fun until anet kicked us on the 4th week.

I’m new to guild wars 2 so I’m sure your thief forum never heard of me

Well have fun!

OH BP is paired with NSP come fight me. I find that if you fight light to medium level people ele is fine. But if you fight a havoc team spec of 2-3 players you will lose. Or high tier players can outs sustain or DPS you. We fight FA and JQ this week and FA is usually 3-7 or 20 -30 So can’t ever have a clean fight. While JQ has 7-12 roaming as a stack and two groups of 25 to 30 zerg pile. When in doubt if you fight NSP come o/ me!

I’m a gold champ LION (Lion Knight ) Tag D/D core ele.

PS I can’t solo 5 man havoc teams or a 3 man burst dps and condi team.

When I don’t play d/d core ele and cleave kittens zergs infront of commanders and his/her zerg! I play Daredevil pogo thief cav and maurader mixture to face tank and cleave the head of the zerg. It’s super fun and on thief forum lots of sustain and you can zip around until you get heavy cc and condi burst and you can still live for 15 seconds before dying.

You can easily kill guards infront of keeps and tower and you will get credit when it gets capped as long as you’re on the map.

Easy.

retro d/d ele was not weak with sigil of battle yielding 3 stacks of might for 20 seconds instead of the nerf 2 years ago for 2 stacks only. Arcane trait line Renewing Stamina had a 5 second cool down and we had linger enchantments that allowed trait mechanics to to last 5 seconds longer after swaps. Arcane trait line granted 30% boons duration not the present 10%. With arcane trait attunement swap was 25% reduction and not currently 15%. Power nerfs weren’t present or HOT bunkers let alone I massive condi power creep)

No being d/d ele means you have light team support and you can burst down 2-3 people with rapid succession if you chain well. D/F is more team support and point guard. DF was very important is unrank zerg fight in grave yard haha. Good times roasting cele rifle.

Cele was big with d/d eles, rifle engineers, shotbow wars, condi clone bomb mesmer, necro hybrid point, thief sword skirmish and condi skirmish rangers. Very popular from 2014-2015 even with HOT cele was used way more. Anet found fights long winded or one sided so they nerfed it.

They like the fast death condi unloads or insta gib power spikes to sell ESL.

Hey we used to play ESL, used to be top 75 in NA in solo and random join. Spvp had way more builds and team play than now When metabattle wiki start that page had like 3-4 time the builds on their lol.

Cele ele was not weak with the fire traitline or air it can over time out damage zerker ele scepter or glass d/d ele which relied on 4-5 control burst that if dodge or evade, pretty useless and one trick poney to tease in hot joins or 3v1 some in wvw back in 2013-2014. You can still find them on youtube like the 18j backstab that really is 2-3 hits on glass pve players.

Old power build were way more powerful or way more tanky. There were more variation and play styles for gamers to choose from.

Also anyone can play d.d ele in wvw but it take guts to repel numbers turn tides in outnumber fights or stall an entire zerg of 20-30 for 30-40 sec so your team can run away. And than you die in a corner knowing that everyone safe back in the keep.

That was ele ….not a heal bot or a 1v1 soft touching power or condi spammer.

In EU wvw yes casual in NA wvw no. The Tank DPS or condi meta or corrupt is way too powerful. But I love the video and music and happy it works wonders 1v1 or 1v2 in EU.

^Yes! Problems hopefully solved in the new expansion where ele does more damage maybe a diff kinds of sustain mechanic that’s not boon drive. At least we can pay to play out of this problem, if not well I still love ele but not the place and mobility it’s in. I hope our new elite will have a cool down times of 30-50 seconds so it can be used with many runes that have an elite activation ability. And I hope it’s viable in spvp and wvw giving us at least 2 viable builds. (Most spec yield 2 some lucky guys get 3-4 variations) I mean hopefully we will have an option not to be support/party driven and can deliver some nice combos via power spikes or skillful condi deployment depending on venue and if an option 2 a hybrid assault.

What I’m saying is basically “you won’t see PvP being the driving force behind balance changes because this won’t accomplish anything”. It won’t make PvP great, it will just spoil PvE. Which is where the majority of the players are. Remember, this isn’t about making “the perfect game”. It’s business.[/quote]

PVP is the driving for behind balance change from 2012 till 2016. You are from Europe and that is where your builds are 2 years behind and same with you wvw game play. Ele is soft kitten and wvw is mostly 1v1 1v2 1v havoc 1v zerg you will face this issue all the time in NA. Anyone can wvw is a zerg, I don’t even wear close sometimes or just use air, fir arcane with a staff. no tough. But that is not wvw…. or your just a kitten lol. I need people to wear big boy and girl pants, ele is very underwhelming you are just using states available to all that if others would use will do way better job than you. Also boon corruption and strip will reck you so hard and fast it’s not even funny.

OH gawd I assume most of NA died 2 years ago and just stop commenting in the forums.

I hope on a bunker d/p and staff thief and emulated retro d/d ele. Not once I cloaked and just killed revs, thieves , reapers like kitten within 1 min. Chronos to kill since they run around like headless chicken.

I mean serious guys the damage of core ele in wvw universe is sad let alone spvp. EU player shhhhh! You don’t play in NA you don’t know your general players are so bad it’s like they are playing with 2012 builds.

I hope we get some improvements anet, very disappoint with this, not even qualified to be jack of all trades title now more like being jacked title.
And if you made tempest to op for bunkering in spvp in team play, nerf tempest and not core ele. Core ele hits like a sad candle if people have tough on them. Unlike other class that can spam condi to bypass that mechanic ele can’t.

Well with fire and people really need to be kitten to get caught in that since epic fire skil nerfs with fire dagger 3 4 5 back in June 2016. Hey you can even revert changes for staff for spvp only and leave it luke warm in pve.

Feanor what server you play on? If you are on EU server, you guys are behind your average wvw is still 2 year behind and have not transformed into a condi bunker teams vs roamer. As I can see in ever euro video and you don’t spvp in NA again a large power difference you can ask CAKE WALK one of you very popular roamer/dueling EU guilds. If you play in NA and you fight MAG or Yak you can’t tempest fight alone. Ele roamers like Seven [Drgr] or Conleav as you can see in the vids online, yes go youtube "Guildwars 2 d/d ele roaming. Watch the enemy tags and how the fight builds and stats and you can see it’s EU. If you look at their builds they can easily be insta gibed in a 1v2. Mainstream wvw builds and players in EU are pve majority you can feel that.
So that’s why there is a large argument on these forums more that back in 2012-2014
You have pve vs fotm vs raids vs spvp and wvw

And now you have prespective from NA spvp and wvw vs EU spvp and wvw.

Very different. Gear specs and play style let alone builds.

Also roaming is alone…… if you have a friend not roaming or a party not roaming. Roaming was in NA when you go at it solo and fight 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v 6 1v20 and run into a tower since 20 is way too much don’t kitten 1v20.

It was us in NA playing like that which lead ele to be nerfed back in the day. However in reality all class can be played like that but other classes you can go for pure damage or condi and rather elected out of any investments in healing power.

So best to post in your tag what server or EU or NA before arguing you claims. And yes I look at vids then I go no that’s not the NA demographic of builds that vs eles or tempest no.

People if alone and not in a party for 2-3 or 4 will not fight an ele unless they have a viable build that can 1v1 them. Like Chrono condi hybrid with perm 15 stacks perplexity or torment on you every 15 -20 seconds interval you can’t win let alone if a meta condi reaper attacks you with a cc from a dp theif steal into 2 2 into a pistol 4. Come play on NA tell me what server you on better yet make a NA server acct come wvw with us or spare in guild.

This invitation is open to all eles everywhere especially EU eles in wvw or spvp that believe there are no difference in our wvw compared to yours or spvp.

*view picture if they us non meta build that can even harm an ele well you can 1v 2 no sweat like the pic posted below. Like I can defeat those players hands down. But those are unexperienced players, non core wvw roamers and you need coin to have nice gear status let alone the skill to play them.