Guild Wars 2

Zenith.7301:

Captain Unusual.9163:

Zenith.7301:

Captain Unusual.9163:

Bhawb.7408:

Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.

You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?

I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.

And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).

PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).

So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.

They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).

Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.

You do with 3+ targets.

Against a single boss you still give the party 25 perma might because PS clones any might you gain into allies. You get 9 from 100b on a single target+3 for great justice.

A PSEA warrior runs with eles. An ele sets down lava font as part of his rotation. he generates 6 stacks of might from arcane brilliance and arcane wave on it, plus everytime somebody else blasts the field.

So those 6 stacks he aoe buffed the party with, you cloned unto the party for 12. This is a conservative estimate.

The point is your group will never run out of 25 might stacks with a PSEA warrior around. ESPECIALLY with cleave.

Either way 9 might stacks aoe on a single target from 100b is absurd, necro gets an aoe 8 stacks of might for 8 seconds on a 30 sec cd as a UTILITY SKILL.

Doesn’t PS only clone the might stacks you generate yourself?

It’s a skin that is unlocked by filling out the Reaper skill track.

Zenith.7301:

Captain Unusual.9163:

Bhawb.7408:

Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.

You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?

I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.

And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).

PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).

So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.

They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).

Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.

Zalavaaris.5329:

Captain Unusual.9163:

Foot in the Grave is a stun breaker, Eternal Champion is a preventative measure. Y’know, just like Infusing Terror.

Wish infusing terror lasted for as long as we are in shroud. They even have 10% attack speed to add on top of it if I recall correctly. 5% less than reapers onslaught but still… they got a hell of a spec.

Yes, they did, but honestly, in this case, they just got something that we already had that was good. I’m all in favor of complaining that warriors get everything, but we definitely don’t compare poorly to this new thing, since we basically got it too, just with a different, but equally easy to access, activator.

Foot in the Grave is a stun breaker, Eternal Champion is a preventative measure. Y’know, just like Infusing Terror.

Numbers from beta are not indicative of the final product and are subject to change.

God kitten , why do people have so much trouble realizing this? If the damage is so low as to be useless, it will be buffed. If it’s so high as to be overpowered, it will be nerfed. The point of the beta is to figure this stuff out. The only thing we know about any numbers from HoT is that the numbers we’ve seen are not accurate.

Bhawb.7408:

Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.

You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?

Ele is the best in all 3.

But Reaper is the most fun class in the game.

No non-blast finishers? What the kitten does that mean? Do they think that applying burning to the boss somehow detracts from might spamming?

And yes, nothing is useful in PvE other than staff elementalists, PS warriors, and guard or mesmer for reflects. The problem is that PvE is kitten, though HoT looks to be changing that for the better.

A wet fish you say?

Oh man, I want to see a condi Berserker vs a Condi Necromancer. No matter who applies the conditions, they’ll end up cleansed by the berserker and no one will accomplish anything.

Robert Gee.9246:

Having condition transfer on shroud was something I was playing with when doing the trait revamp. Plague Sending originally used shroud 1 as its trigger condition rather than critical hit. I ended up changing it because shroud 1 already had several traits that affected it and I didn’t want to overload it, plus the curses line had several traits that affected shroud in some way already. I think it would be a bit overpowered though if Life Blast could transfer conditions on every hit though.

On the topic of increasing the cast speed of Life Blast: I think we would need to lower the damage multiplier if we wanted to increase the cast speed. The damage per second on that skill at its current cast time is already about as high as we are comfortable with. It’s a tricky skill to balance because we’d need to also look at adjusting all the traits that affect it.

I think it would definitely be worth it to drop the damage per hit a bit while also lowering the cast time proportionally, for the sake of condition necros. Reaper’s Shroud works so beautifully with Dhuumfire, but Death Shroud is really lackluster with it, due to its extremely long cast times. It would make F1 more attractive offensively to conditionmancers than its current state, which is mostly just pressing 235 as fast as possible, and sometimes using it as a health sponge.

DarkSyze.8627:

Arena net: Robert Gee,

I want to ask you a quick question with answer. Whenever i play necromancer: a enemy player reset my death shroud when i want to activate it.. Is there a way to prevent the resetting of deathshroud of activating?

I asked before and i even post in a thread: everyone ignore me.

That is all

That’s because your question doesn’t make sense. I have no idea what you’re trying to ask. It doesn’t make sense either grammatically or in terms of game mechanics.

So far, of the five previewed, only Necromancer and Guardian elite specs actually change their class mechanics. Rev, Ele, and Mesmer elite specs all just add on extra buttons that, if you felt like it, you could totally ignore and play the class the same as before but with a different trait line.

Reaper’s Shroud and the new DH virtues are great design. They’re similar to the base class mechanic, but different enough that you need to treat them as a fundamentally different ability.

Chronomancers, Heralds, and Tempests don’t need to treat their class mechanics differently. If a Chrono doesn’t press his f5 button, the rest of his shatters work the same. If a herald doesn’t use glint or his f2, he can just be a normal revenant. If a tempest doesn’t reactivate their attunement, then they’re unchanged from the base Elementalist.

Why does the elite spec not even function the same between classes?

So, I’m seeing a lot of complaints that the Tempest doesn’t add a new role for the Elementalist, but what roles exist that they can’t already do? I’m not crying “ele op”, I legitimately don’t know.

Vydahr.4285:

ODB.6891:

Vydahr.4285:

Though, on the side of new skills, they could be balanced around DS/RS as being a different state. As in, limited time, and perhaps requiring a set percentage of LF to be used. That way it’s still balanced in terms of risk/reward. Because using pre-existing skills, there wouldn’t be much risk in using them, only reward. And I think that risk is necessary if we are to get utilities/heal/elite in shroud.

No profession has a “risk” in using their utility skills…other than them being on cool down after use…at least no profession currently in game. Why should necromancers/reapers be any different. Surely you aren’t trying to say that DS/RS is so powerful that we should be penalized for it? If people/developers really believe that…then take away the extra hp and let DS/RS function like an engineer’s kit. I’d gladly trade away some extra health that evaporates in seconds of being focused…in favor of actually getting to play a fully functional profession…versus half a profession at a time.

Revenant, a different profession that can have an entirely different utility bar, has risk in using those skills because of energy cost. If we get utilities in shroud, it should use a percentage of LF for each skill. I think it’d be fair

Have you seen the cooldowns on revenant utilities?

Legendary Dwarf Stance. Legendary Demon Stance. Legendary Centaur Stance. Legendary Assassin Stance. Legendary Dragon Stance.

Which of these is not like the others? That’s right, Legendary Assassin Stance. It’s the only one that refers to a profession, rather than a race. The revenant celebrates Shiro for being an assassin, because he’s a human, while assuming that all dwarves, demons, centaurs, and dragons are interchangeable.

“Who’s Shiro?” one might ask. “An assassin,” a revenant would answer.
“Who’s Jalis?” one asks. “Just some fooking dorf,” the revenant replies.
“Who’s Ventari?” “A filthy animal.”

It’s disgusting. Revenants have no place in a game as inclusive and accepting as this one. Either the Legendary Assassin Stance needs to be renamed to Legendary Human Stance, or the other four need their names updated.

The point of the elite specs wasn’t just to add things, but to change things. I’m quite annoying that, of the 5 elite specs shown, only 2 actually change the class mechanics, while 3 of them just add stuff on top of it.

Dakunaito.9602:

Captain Unusual.9163:

To be fair, we are basically the only class that likes to actually activate our signets, rather than just have them sit there granting passive effects.

no we’re not the only ones. Ele have trait that you can keep the passive of signets when you use them+decrease cd when signets already have 20-25sec cd. no OP at all. our signets that have 60sec and180sec cd no such trait. all the OP staff for Ele cause Necro drew the short straw

I had forgotten about that ele trait, but I still feel that our signet actives are quite a bit stronger than theirs. And we literally only have 2 signets with long cd’s, the rest are at 30/35. Necromancers have a lot of problems, but bad signet skills are not one of them.

I’ll take the unpopular stance and say that it doesn’t really need to be a stun break, and probably shouldn’t be. It’s an obscenely strong stability skill as is, essentially making you immune to all CC for 8-10 seconds. It has a strength that other stability skills don’t, because the stability regenerates. If an ele pops Armor of Earth, a single boon strip/corrupt can counter it. But a boon strip/corrupt won’t really do much against Infusing Terror, because the stability builds back up. I know we all hate compensation nerfs, but in this case, the skill not being a stun break is warranted because of its huge advantages over other stability skills.

Brokensunday.4098:

Dakunaito.9602:

if you lose power then this is a bug. why lose power and simply just don’t increase power when in Shroud? imo Signet of Spite passive should get fixed so that it works when in Shroud

signets have never worked in shroud so is no bug but we all wish this was change signets only work 50% of the times for us for this matter.

To be fair, we are basically the only class that likes to actually activate our signets, rather than just have them sit there granting passive effects.

Soul Marks makes your marks unblockable, including your staff 5, which becomes an unblockable fear to get them out of anything. Then you can follow up with whatever transfer you want and then they cry a lot.

EDIT: I suppose it would also make Putrid Mark unblockable so you could skip the whole fear step.

Man, I miss my ability to spec 3/3/3/3/2. My “Five Random Adept Traits” build was one of the most fun and effective things I’ve ever played, and now I can’t even do that. I got so upset when they revealed the trait changes that I painted ANet’s logo on my car and drove it into a lake.

We have Infusing Terror, which is functionally identical to a break bar. It builds up protection from multiple CC effects, and keeps regenerating as Stability is stripped away. It makes us more or less immune to CC unless we take a bunch of them all at once, and if the thing doesn’t break, the stability builds back up.

Actually, it’s better than a break bar, since if we do actually get it all stripped away and something gets through, it’s more likely to be a 0.25 second thief daze or a 1 second mesmer stun, and not a guaranteed 2 second stun with 25 vuln stacks.

Bacon.1835:

Azure.8670:

Robert is busy working on the warrior elite, he’s also doing necro buffs to axe and scepter, and hes balancing the chrono and reaper. I admit the chronomancer is basically complete, but still he’s a busy man

What’s your source to indicate that we can expect axe and scepter buffs?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Could-Robert-Gee-be-more-transparent-with-us/first#post5351757

Bob F It.5701:

Bob F It.5701:

An extra note on retaliation: it will trigger damage to the enemy hitting you per hit. If the enemy uses an attack that hits multiple times (such as a pulsing AoE, warrior’s Hundred Blades, or Engineer’s flamethrower) then the enemy will take damage multiple times so long as they connect while retaliation is up.

Lily.1935:

Nyth.3492:

The idea to make axe a hybrid condition/power weapon is nice as well. But my experience learns that these kind of hybrid weapons and hybrid skills tend to suffer because they’re inefficient for either. The “jack of all trades, master of none”-problem.

Grenade kit says “whats up”.

That one’s balanced by being an absolute kitten to use for long periods of time.

Galedeep.5496:

Male Charr Necro sounds pretty amazing, it’s so deep and rumbling. “Suffer” in particular has a great kick to it.

I like most of the male Charr shouts, except for “You are all weaklings!” It just sounds so calm and matter-of-fact. It doesn’t sound like you’re turning the tides of battle to crush your foes, it sounds like you’re just explaining to some students that they’re all not particularly strong. It’s more like “You are ALL weaklings.” than “You are all WEAKLINGS!”

Also, protip, don’t write “weaklings” a whole bunch of times at once, it starts to look like a very, very silly word.

Anchoku.8142:

I am with Lily on this. Reaper Shroud, shouts, and GS will marginalize axe even further than it is.

Necromancer has a lot of weapons that support power builds with only scepter and staff (maybe) supporting condition damage builds.

That is why I favor reworking axe into a close range hybrid power condition damage weapon so it has a niche to fill, again.

Axe with vulnerability stacking is fine I’m solo MM or small groups without the Reaper line where vulnerability stacks do not cap but this line of caveats is becoming longer every year.

Axe needs something to make it special and a damaging condition would do that.

A lot of power build weapons? There’s Dagger, Greatsword, and some offhands that can be useful with any spec.

Why would you delete the character?

Revenant is literally the only class that’s gotten dev comments since the beta ended. There’s a whole lot of feedback for the devs to sort through, and, for the most part, it’s all fairly well laid out. We don’t need them to waste their time dropping by each class forum saying “hey, we read that stuff.”

Zalladi.4652:

It is simply moving to the same category as control conditions (which does make some sense as it prevents an enemy from landing their skills successfully), and it only seems right that it will help with the break bar as opposed to negating all damage output, which would be a little unbalanced come Heart of Thorns and the break bar.

That’s the bit I was asking about. Currently, on champs, blind just has a 10% chance to work, which is kind of really kittenty. I hadn’t heard that it was being changed to damage the break bar.

They should really make things less fun during beta tests.

If a precursor has a one-in-a-million chance of dropping, getting 200% magic find brings it up to a three-in-a-million chance of dropping. Better, sure, but still low enough odds to practically not be there at all.

In addition to making CC nearly worthless, Unshakable also makes blind nearly worthless on bosses. Is this going away with the introduction of break bars?

TheBlackLeech.9360:

AllNightPlayer.1286:

Well, the characters hold the scythe like a hammer, but swing it like a greatsword. O.o

…speaking of holding the scythe….. it would seem that charr reapers don’t hold the scythe properly.

The left hand is much lower than the weapon itself, and the weapon clips through the forearm.

Has anyone checked the other professions?

He’s holding it like a guitar. Reaper confirmed most metal profession.

Blaine Tog.8304:

Petrol.9086:

Tyriark.7825:

Blaine Tog.8304:

How about, “I Am Become Death!”?

Please say this out loud.

lol

One of the scientist that worked on the atom bomb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3Iac

Thank you. If the phrase “I am become death” doesn’t chill your blood, you need to study history a little more.

(Though frankly I’d be cool with the Necro speaking the full line “I am become death, the destroyer of worlds,” even if the skill is only officially named the first four words.)

Based on the cast times to our other shouts, a shout that long would need to be instant cast.

How many times did you run this through google translate?

Did you report it as a bug?

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’ve actually found Dhuumfire to be effective on power builds.

It’s like this: on a zerker build, Death’s Perception and Decimate Defenses are redundant. You only need one to cap out crit chance, so you can swap out the other for a different traits. Personally I go with Decimate Defenses, since that works outside of shroud, too. That leaves me with either foot in the grave or Dhuumfire for the SR elite.

At maximum might, which is VERY easy to reach on the Shroud Knight build, Burning does 248 damage per tick. 3 ticks, 25% vulnerability, this comes to 930 additional damage per swipe. Against a 2600 armor target, you’ll be doing about 2.5k / 2.5k / 5.1k per each auto attack chain, so this actually adds up to about 37% / 37% / 18% damage increase.

Hm, it never actually occurred to me that a power build still gets a lot of condition damage from all the might stacks.

I…kind of really like that idea.

Khristophoros.7194:

More damage on GS autoattack and Gravedigger. That’s about it.

So much for “back to the drawing board”

He didn’t say it needed a long time on the drawing board.

But seriously, the only thing wrong with the reaper is that the Greatsword 1 and 2 don’t deal enough damage, 3 and 5 are hard to aim, and chill traits need numbers buffs.

The design is good, it’s just not balanced very well at the moment. Which is an easy fix.

Rangers have melee Greatsword and theirs only has one gap closer.

Misguided.5139:

Interesting. Fwiw, I’m in full dire (maybe that’s what you meant, since I’m not sure why you would pick rabid). Also using reaper’s onslaught instead of Blighter’s Boon, but I didn’t try without to see if the difference really felt noticeable.

Isn’t reaper’s onslaught bugged and not working right now?

Clearly they just need to buff GS to 300 range.

strakul.1826:

The faster attacks of RS#1 and the vuln stacking of the Unyielding Blast trait are great. You can stack a ton of vuln, especially if you add in some of the traits from the Spite line. However, the trait description says it adds pierce, which is incorrect. It only adds pierce on Death Shroud, not Reaper Shroud. This is obvious as RS has cleave instead, but I want to bring it to the attention of any Dev reading this. The pierce should be baseline for DS#1 as otherwise this trait behaves differently between RS and DS.

It could very well be adding pierce to any projectiles fired when casting RS1, it’s just that there’s no projectiles there. Basically, RS1 has the pierce included baseline because it’s melee.

Lily.1935:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Captain Unusual.9163:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Highest tick I got was 314 and I was sorely disappointed. That was the trait I was most looking forward to. Was really hoping it’d be a more balanced version of Dhuumfire that I could more reliably keep on my target for damage but NOPE.

Call me a baby but after trying out Reaper I’ve decided I’ll be moving over to my Warrior as my main… It doesn’t have the dark and brooding theme which I adore so dearly with Necromancer but it suits my style of play a lot better. It’s not complicated, gets the job done and I can function well with it solo in WvW.

Still always gonna have a soft spot for Necro and will still play it from time to time but… This was the final straw. Time to play a class that doesn’t suck at everything.

An expectedly unbalanced beta test is the last straw?

Reaper bored me. Would be the tldr. I’ve got over 2.2k hours in Necro, I think I’ve put up with enough for even a beta, which is obviously going to be buggy, to turn me off for good. I’m just not interested in what ever future the Necromancer has anymore.

Arena Net is using this test to get feedback on the reaper. I’d suggest saving your “I quit forever!” comment until the final product. If you feel you need to take a break from the profession, thats fine. I feel that way from time to time. But we have to remember that the reaper we’re seeing in beta isn’t the same as the reaper they currently have. Think of this reaper as version 0.5 and not the final product.

No, you fool, if it isn’t finished in it’s unfinished state, that’s it, that’s the end! Quit now!

RashanDale.3609:

What ive heard from charr necro sounded okay. not awesome, but good enough.

Though i still think “You are all weaklings” is probably the lamest sounding shout in existence.

At least on my male Charr, it’s just stated so matter-of-factly. I don’t feel like I’m taunting/crushing my foes when I shout it, I feel like I’m calmly explaining that they are, in fact, weaklings.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Highest tick I got was 314 and I was sorely disappointed. That was the trait I was most looking forward to. Was really hoping it’d be a more balanced version of Dhuumfire that I could more reliably keep on my target for damage but NOPE.

Call me a baby but after trying out Reaper I’ve decided I’ll be moving over to my Warrior as my main… It doesn’t have the dark and brooding theme which I adore so dearly with Necromancer but it suits my style of play a lot better. It’s not complicated, gets the job done and I can function well with it solo in WvW.

Still always gonna have a soft spot for Necro and will still play it from time to time but… This was the final straw. Time to play a class that doesn’t suck at everything.

An expectedly unbalanced beta test is the last straw?

oXe.5960:

Did u use valk accessories as well?
I’m going to craft asc valkyrie items. I’m tried of berzerks ;/

Yeah, valk everywhere. There’s no reason not so, since you don’t want to waste a ton of stats on precision over 100%.

Samhayn.2385:

If you do a mix of valk+sin you can drop perception and get dhummfire instead, you will have about a 35% critical rate base and even with no condi damage I had burning ticks for 1k. You do lose some health I think I was at 25k hp but since you use spectral skills to gain RS you should be in RS more often then not.

Ooh, I need to try this. Is there any way to get sinister gear onto the beta characters after making them, or do I need to delete them all to get some in the bank?