Guild Wars 2

Jordo.5913:

Baconplease.1657:

I never said trion was the developer of archeage. They were however, the Publisher. The face of the company. It was their own fault.

So then NCsoft will take the blame for this. Arenanet is only the developer. NCsoft is the publisher.

Chances are high that NCSoft had something to do with the pricing, yes… But we dont really know that, Anet could have decided it for themselves. For Archeage, we knew that any price changes went through Trion and not the original developer.

Stealth increased by boon duration? Lol… Yeah, I’ll just lie down and stab myself repeatedly so I can respawn and run somewhere else, its faster for everyone.

I would approve of stealth being removed by boonstripping though.

Keep quiet and cover your eyes and ears!

The forum isnt a censored dictatorship. People are allowed to voice their opinions. Telling people to “understand already” isnt going to accomplish anything, especially if you dont even understand why. If Anet wanted people to “understand already”, they should have done damage control by now. An official news about what $50 actually gets you. Not just HoT, but the future of GW2 as a whole. The next living story, halloween events, super adventure box, christmas events, lots of things planned for years to come, all for free, like the last 3 years. Make us hopeful about the game again instead of focusing on HoT alone.

Knighthonor.4061:

Baconplease.1657:

Knighthonor.4061:

Baconplease.1657:

I never said trion was the developer of archeage. They were however, the Publisher. The face of the company. It was their own fault.

How the kitten was it their fault? The developers controlled all that. Trion just hosted the game in the west.

The lack of communication with the players, Scapes (community leader) lieing to the players and getting caught wall all Trion.

But they don’t make any decisions. They only voice the developers as a translator. They have no control over the game.

They had control over the cashshop content and Trion went and kittened it up. The game itself was great – one of the best I have ever played. But Trion just had to go full kitten with changes that they most certainly had control over.

After 3 months, I couldnt take the P2W anymore. And that was despite having bugged permanent Patron status without paying for it, lol (customer support in the beginning was actually great, the account system… not so much).

If you where going to get gems anyway, its the best pack, yes. It will give you the cheapest HoT out of the three, when considering their current value. Deluxe is the worst value while basic is the reference.

Since deluxe gives a slot, it would still only be 800 gems. So 800, 800 and 4800 if you activate HoT on a GW2 account.

And yes, I would prefer that as well. Not because it gives us a character slot, because it plain and simply gives GW2 owners a €10 value discount/incentive for preordering. After HoT release, it can be 0, 0 and 4000 again if they want.

Mooncaller.9634:

I am a lawyer, that’s why I brought it up.
Always in contracts it is best to be explicit and safe than vague and sorry.

Are you sure that there isnt any points about laywers not being allowed to make unsolicited legal advices to Anet in the EULA of the game/forum?

I mean we’re talking laywers here. It wouldnt surprise me.

Even without comparing GW1 it seems quite natural to expect that an expansion does not cost as much as a full game unless its a standalone that is the size of an entire game, to be honest.

But I dont mind. I just noticed that my favorite game/hardware store is selling HoT for €35 instead of €45… And they note its expansion only, lol. Reality, woooooo!!!

Wolfheart.1879:

Gonna chime in here, and likely repeat a lot of what has already been said.

For me, it comes down to a number of issues.

1) Veteran players being treated as an inferior group compared to new players.

This isn’t the first time I’ve felt that is the case, and likely these feelings are not purely down to how things have been handled here, but over the past year or so. New players will be getting a great deal, no question. While players have enjoyed 3 years of fun (or maybe not, depending on opinion etc), there is something that feels really off about a basic expansion package that is full of value for new players (a good thing), but then offers very very little for those who have stuck by and supported the game for so long. I think i remember reading somewhere even the bigger better editions aren’t a huge bonus relative to what the price is and what you get next to what it is to get them via gem purchases. Especially given a new class coming, it makes sense to add a new character slot. Otherwise players may have to make a choice between having to pay extra just to enjoy a large draw point of the expansion, else delete a character they already have, that is potentially full of history and progress for them. Either through sacrificing many hours of progress, or paying extra above the expansion price, it just feels like a hidden cost that shafts the players. At the very least, I feel there should be a character slot at the basic level, much in the same way GW1 campaigns added slots to enjoy the new professions.

Note: While I am arguing for a character slot at the basic level, let me be clear that I am not doing so from a sense of “entitlement” or a selfishness. The reason i can make that claim is that while I believe an extra slot is a easy thing to add, it wouldn’t be possible to expand the maximum number of slots to reflect that. 64 will be the limit still, and likely always be. Out of good RNG fortune, and a lot of investing in gems via real cash, I already have 64 slots. Getting one at the basic expansion will have precisely zero benefit to me. I just think it should be done out of a sense of fair play.

2) New players in the last few months are kittened over.

A fair number of players may have bought the game in recent sales, under the stated premise that the core game is needed for HoT. Then came the very suspicious changing of said FAQ, and announcing the core game is bundled with new accounts. Those new players will understandably feel cheated, having bought the game under a particular premise, then Anet pulling a bait and switch. It is good of Anet to offer refunds for a larger period because of this, but to take advantage of this deal, instead of being taken for a ride with the sales based on the earlier premise, you have to lose your account, and all progress you made. Seems a bit of a punishment for those who bought the game in good faith purely because it was advertised as required to get the expansion. Utterly disgusting business practice.

3) I’m not convinced I’m getting the right amount of bang for my buck.

This to me isn’t a case of dodgy practice and communication, more I don’t feel informed enough to make the decision at the moment. This is less a go at Anet, and more just a statement of where I feel i am with this. Based on what I’ve seen so far, and heard so far, I’m not sure I’m getting enough content to justify the asking price. I love the game, but I’m not willing to shell out any amount of money for a nebulous amount of content. My solution to this is very simply, I’ll wait and see what the content turns out to be, and if it seems value to me at release, I’ll buy it, else I’ll wait for a sale to get it at a price I feel justifies the content I’m getting.

And the worst thing is, how on earth can we be smarter than marketing personal that’s getting salary to plan releases like this? I mean, take your three points.

Pre-order:
€35 HoT expansion only (HoT+slot)
€65 deluxe version (HoT+GW2+slot+goodies)
€90 ultimate version (HoT+GW2+slot+even more goodies)

After HoT release:
€45 HoT (HoT+GW2+slot)
€75 deluxe version (HoT+GW2+slot+goodies),
€100 ultimate version (HoT+GW2+slot+even more goodies)

There. I fixed it. Everyone good. Well except the ones that still dont know the content of HoT. I cant fix that lol.

So if we want to add to the discussion about the “free” GW2…

Does that including living story content? Season 2 then, considering season 1 cant be replayed.

I mean think about it. They are selling HoT as the direct story sequel to season 2. Playing HoT without having played season 2 would be like watching Return Of The King without having watched The Two Towers (and there is no Fellowship Of The Ring).

New players having “only” GW2 would not have this content, it cost extra, yes? Or are new players getting living story season 2 for free as well? Is this baked into HoT?

Just some curious thoughts.

If I could put 500 of each in my wallet I could save 3 spots in my shock full of ore bank tab, it would be amazing!

-_-

Jaetara.4075:

Real bonuses could be a unique armor / weapon / headgear skin, free boosters to help you progress faster, black lion ticket or black lion keys, a unique Node for the house instance and many other things that they could offer… The extra beta key for a friend could also have a value, for them mostly since it can bring new players to the game.

No, the only “real” bonus is the character slot which actually allow you to play half of what the expansion is (ie the revenant), menaning that the €75 pack is a complete ripoff, lol. For basic you can buy a €10 slot yourself (maximum cost of €55, you could use gold too) whereas you are paying €35 for a €10 slot with the deluxe pack. In the ultimate pack, at least you’re only paying €5 for the €10 slot (since the €50 gems can actually have real meaning to your gameplay… if you so choose).

The remaining things in the packages is pure pointless fluff, as is everything else you suggested.

I will assume that this is a veiled attempt at making a point of ascended being better gear.

Logic cannot answer the question unless you specify builds. You cant take two warriors, have them duke it out and then whine about one having better gear than the other. Even if one was ascended, chances are high the other had completely different gear. Anyone of them could win. Hell it could have been cleric vs sinister for all we know.

So no, gear does not become “more important” in a duel. Unless you know what build the enemy has, you have no idea if you are lucky or unlucky in your choice of duel – and that’s completely ignoring the skill factor, where you can completely negate damage by doing the right thing at the right time.

If GW2 players had 500K HP and did on average 1K dps, then sure we could argue that the gear having 1.1K dps on average will probably win a long duel. But not when a single dodge can avoid someone taking 1/3rd of your hp and allow you a free shot at taking half theirs. Even something as simple as poison at the right time can cause victory.

Scoundrel.2139:

khani.4786:

There is no core, only HoT.

There is no core. Only Zuul!

She would have been cheaper though.

I considered creating the below line as a new thread topic, but then I realized… nah, its just too evil.

If you activate HoT on a GW2 account, you get 800 gems

Cant restate that idea enough. Basic pack – HoT+800 gems to do with as you wish (800 is what a character slot cost). Deluxe – HoT+slot+800 gems to do with as you wish (second slot, bank upgrade, whatevs). Ultimate – HoT+4800 gems to roll around in.

If you havent much on your main account that is worth playing with… well yeah, migrating to new account is far more value. As you say, double the dailies. Many of us have tons of stuff on our main account though, achievement things, legendaries or other expensive skins. I know I cant abandon mine, I’d sooner take a €100 cost than loose all my hard earned stuff

On Piken Square, we had this Thief commander that was… well, excellent. I dont think I ever saw him die and he lead pug groups as good or better than any Guardian/Warrior. Cant remember his name though (not playing on Piken anymore).

Dondarrion.2748:

JUN YANG.4328:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

We understand that there are many opinions and suggestions about the game versions and the pre-purchase program. We will continue to read your thoughts and thank you for sharing them.

u need to treat your loyal fans well!!!!

Jun Yang speaks the truth of it; whereas we welcome initiatives to make it easier for new players to join the community, please also pay at least a little attention to the veteran player base who have been with you since Guild Wars 1, all the years of developing GW2, betas, headstart and now playing for 3 years.

Here – I fixed the whole issue with Photoshop for you, make this change and everyone will calm down. Oh, a little apology of an oversight goes a long way in addition.

This simple change would however make the €75 package – which already has horrible value – even worse. You’d need to balance everything up.

A simple and much more fair way, if we go by the value of 1 character slot, would be to say that if you own GW2 you get 800 gems, period. I would prefer 1600 (more the value of GW2), but lets say 1 character slot value. Which means that all packages get 800 gems.

So basic package get 800 gems for 1 slot (if you so choose). Deluxe package get 1 slot and 800 gems. Ultimate gets 1 slot, 4000 gems and 800 gems extra.

Basicly the game will play as now with the some of the current content changed (like the WvW map).

The only thing that is a “danger” is how strong the specializations and new weapons actually is. For PvE it wont matter, but for PvP and WvW… oh boy. We all know how strong of a force the meta is. If the meta change to something that is HoT exclusive – which I have no doubt that Anet want and quite possible abuse by making certain changes to traits, even if they are never going to admit it – then rest assured, HoT will be bloody required.

I am seriously hoping that Anet will change the HoT packages. These toxic discussions about price… We didnt need it. We didnt want it. It would have been better for the community if everyone bought HoT. It would have been better for Anet. But they went and kittened it up. kittened it up royally. They tore apart the community and guilds, literally in a couple of hours (I’m not going to lie, everyone I know are angry about it).

Its just sad.

lordhelmos.7623:

By using rifle on a warrior, you are essentially becoming a poor man’s ranger.

By using a melee weapon on ranger you are essentially becoming a poor mans warrior, so that part balances out at least.

While I dont disagree with any of your points really, the only bad thing IMO is the range of the rifle. It should be extended to 1500 when you take the rifle trait. That combined with piercing give it a definitive purpose against groups. It cant bomb like the ranged magic classes, but it would be able to match the ranger in “precision” and run in the supportive backline.

Oh everyone realize that. Its just that Anet hasnt presented anything that make us think the expansion is worth $50. Most of what the expansion deliver will be… well, free. Because it comes in the patches. If you ignore PvE, it bring almost nothing.

Jaetara.4075:

There are some suggestions for making the HoT prices look better and more fair:

STANDARD EDITION
- HoT
- Character Slot
- Total Make Over Kit

DELUXE EDITION
- HoT
- Character Slot
- Total Make Over Kit
- 1 Black Lion Ticket
- Bang Expansion Tab or Bag Expansion
- Miniature Revenant Rytlock
- Mordremoth’s Bane Guild Hall Decoration
- Heart of Thorns Glider Skin

ULTIMATE EDITION
- HoT
- Character Slot
- Total Make Over Kit
- 1 Black Lion Ticket
- Bang Expansion Tab or Bag Expansion
- Miniature Revenant Rytlock
- Mordremoth’s Bane Guild Hall Decoration
- Heart of Thorns Glider Skin
- 4000 GEMS

PRE-PURCHASE BONUSES (for any Edition)
- Access to the Beta
- Special Title
- Booster Multi pack
- Heart of Thorns Head Gear Skin ( a Thorny Halo or a Thorny Circlet)

Those are just a few small editions, some of them useful, some of them unique, changes that can make people feel that their money have a better value.

So. Much. Pointless. Fluff.

If they want to fix it, they can “balance” it easily with gems:

- If you buy a HoT back and activate it on an account that have GW2, you get 1600 gems (€20 “veteran value”).

- Slap 1600 gems to begin with on the €75 pack because its value is utterly kittened. There is zero point in buying it and whoever does fall in a blatantly obvious trap set by Anet.

That is all. Those two changes would make every pack worth it while maintaining the fact that yes, the expansion+"free" game cost €45 as base for new players, big woop. New players do get alot for that, its true. This change would require very little changes on the webpage and updates to accounts can be done retroactively.

It would please just about everyone I think.

To rephrase what I posted in another thread:

If you activate any of these packages on an account that already own GW2, you get 1600 gems (€20 value) for free in addition to anything stated on the preorder page

Problem solved. Packages wont change, they dont need to do anything in the setup of HoT. Just check if the buyer has GW2 on the account that buy it, provide gems, done. Everybody happy. They can do this easily retroactive for anyone that already bought it.

They should just say:

If you activate any of these packages on an account that already own GW2, you get 1600 gems (€20 value) for free in addition to anything stated on the preorder page

Boom even veterans get something. Its not exactly a cost for Anet keeping players around to pay for more gems in the future. They can easily give this for “free”.

Deluxe has zero value (you are actually paying €20 extra) while Ultimate has €5 value (you are paying €5 for the €10 additional slot). I’m not going to argue the usefullness of the gems, but €50 gems is €50 gems. You get exactly what you would get if you bought €50 on BL today.

OP sticking to deluxe while complaining about ultimate is… ironic.

Rastark.2946:

I’m just leaving my two cents here…

While I’m probably buying the expansion since I can afford it, I still think that the choice of not giving to veteran players some sort of discount is bad, expecially when you’re giving a free base copy of the game to new players.
You can say “But…but senpai, that’s just a bonus!”, I don’t care.
Basically that just screams “**** you long time fan, we need more players to the game and we don’t care about you, you’ll be paying us anyway”.
For the past months I tried to bring my friends back to the game and since I know they’re not going to spend 45€ on a game that they’ve already paid 55€ at the time, I feel that all my work has been flushed down into a toilet.

So, as lover of the beautiful world of Tyria, thank you for continuing to support the game.
But as a customer, thank you for ruining my future experience in it(playing a MMO without friends is not so fun as you may think).

Exactly. Its screwing with the GW2 owners that’s the worst part.

On its own, the package is great. Its excellent that GW2+HoT is a thing. I even wished for it before release, because it would bring easy accessability to new players, allow Anet to refresh retail store visibility (basicly put up a “new” 2015 game for full normal price) and keep the community together. That part is good!

But not offering any cheaper upgrade only option for existing GW2 owners? Whyyyyyyyyyy…

circuitnerd.5863:

Dawdler.8521:

DocZed.6973:

The Ultimate Edition only adds 4000 gems.
If you have everything previous, you’d just be getting gems at at heavy discount.

No you wouldnt, you’d get an additional character slot at €5 discount. That is all. The rest is fluff that no one need or want (ie mini crap etc).

That said, I cant see anything like this mentioned about the Ultimate version on the purchase page (or cart)? Where is the source for this info?

I got it from here https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-is-available-for-pre-purchase/

Ah. I just looked at the purchase page, ignoring the news.

Guess it can be interpreted different ways, but I also guess they are talking about the Deluxe edition being available in the future as an upgrade from standard (just like how GW2 did it, maybe for gems). It would make sense that you need to buy Ultimate as is, otherwise you’d be buying gems by paying with gems.

DocZed.6973:

The Ultimate Edition only adds 4000 gems.
If you have everything previous, you’d just be getting gems at at heavy discount.

No you wouldnt, you’d get an additional character slot at €5 discount. That is all. The rest is fluff that no one need or want (ie mini crap etc).

That said, I cant see anything like this mentioned about the Ultimate version on the purchase page (or cart)? Where is the source for this info?

Khristophoros.7194:

Dawdler.8521:

Great, worst case scenario happened. This is gonna separate and tear apart the community. I cant believe Anet did this

Its a great deal for those not already owning GW2… But for those that do (ie all of us) its a horrible deal. We’re paying €10-20 extra out of kitten s for absolutely nothing at all. Like buying a game and throwing it away. There should be an online only upgrade pack for like €25. Right now, we have no choice. We must buy GW2+HoT only to throw away GW2.

Secondly, the Deluxe Edition is horrible value. The only thing we wanted was a character slot and that’s not worth the extra €30. On the flipside, the €100 Ultimate Edition is good value compared to the €45 standard. WTF Anet. You know exactly what you are doing, right?

It’s a big scam to get people to buy 4k gems that they probably don’t need. Only way you’re gonna get HoT without feeling like you wasted money. But in reality it’s still a waste of money because I’m pretty sure it won’t even have 40 bucks worth of content.

Of course its a scam to get people to pay out their kitten , but it doesnt change the fact that 4K gems do cost €50 today, meaning you only pay €5 for the extra fluff. An additional slot is currently at €10. So its value compared to the Standard Edition… which isnt value at all of course.

The sad thing is that I dont think Anet even understand how players are today, how easy it is to move to another game just because of things like this tipping the scale. They may just have mortally wounded GW2.

Great, worst case scenario happened. This is gonna separate and tear apart the community. I cant believe Anet did this

Its a great deal for those not already owning GW2… But for those that do (ie all of us) its a horrible deal. We’re paying €10-20 extra out of kitten s for absolutely nothing at all. Like buying a game and throwing it away. There should be an online only upgrade pack for like €25. Right now, we have no choice. We must buy GW2+HoT only to throw away GW2.

Secondly, the Deluxe Edition is horrible value. The only thing we wanted was a character slot and that’s not worth the extra €30. On the flipside, the €100 Ultimate Edition is good value compared to the €45 standard. WTF Anet. You know exactly what you are doing, right?

I’m not going to argue the merits of doing GvG but the undeniable end result of a unique GvG mode is that WvW will have less players when WvW needs them the most. This will be bad for WvW, at least short term. Long term? Maybe players stick around longer if they have something they find fun. I dont know.

Open field GvG (be it organized or not) has shaped WvW since the game launched. I’d hate to see that vanish in favor of private sessions.

Fay.2357:

Power damage and condition damage are both applied the exact same way: with ‘hits’ that can be dodged, blocked, or otherwise mitigated by active defense.

Condition damage happen when the condition is already on the player and is a function of time and stacks, not hitting the player. You are talking about condition application and no, its not mitigated in quite the same way direct damage is. In fact Anet has set up specific rules for it, the same skills that completely negate direct damage let conditions straight through. They also have this whole “unblockable” thing, incidently on alot of the CC/condition skills. Condition damage can currently only be mitigated by actually removing the condition.

But sure, I’m hilariously wrong. At least I’m hilariously something, that’s the best compliment I have heard in quite some time.

Making it 10% difference would definetly be 2 steps back (I’d say 1 step forward and 2 steps back, but since when did we go forward?). In fact, it would go against everything that GW2 stands for :/

That said, I doubt we will notice a practical effect. Why? Because builds still mater alot more. In WvW, what you meet is pure chance. You can meet someone that you kill without even loosing any HP and you can meet someone you die against without even hurting them… If we look at an equal match, the zerker Thief meeting another zerker Thief with identical builds and identical skill is by far the simplest example, since its just a matter of who strike who first – or who can avoid the initial strike and counter strike. One having exotic and one having ascended will be irrevelevant.

Even when you look at longer attrition fights with high HP classes, its simply too “easy” to negate damage via dodging and other skills. If the enemy has 30K HP and you do 30K damage in a fight, an extra 10% would mean you could do 33K damage instead. Well the enemy just dodged away a 3K hit so there you go.

I dont think we’ll see much more pressure in zergs. You’d die 0.1s faster when you walk into a bomb.

DanAlcedo.3281:

KhainPride.3987:

00666 new wvw zerg build in organized groups

Sword/wh + hammer

cull the weak + defy pain + cleansing ire
Quick Breathing + empower allies + vigorous focus
Vengeful return +DoE + Merciless hammer

And why should we play this?
Dmg? Nope. Guard do better.
CC? Nope. Guard do better.
Heal? Ingi will do better =0
Condi Heal? ….. Guard will the do the Job just fine.

I dont say the Warrior is unplayable but we need a reason for using one.

So what would replace the Warrior Battle Standard that suddenly make the primary reason they are even brought to a zerg redundant?

Mesmers Illusion of Life?

Hahahahaa…

My sense of humour just died from overload.

I will still use rifle+hammer on my zerg bunker Warrior. Because kitten people who says you have to conform.

I completed all jumping puzzles with a max size Charr… before the new camera controls was even an idea.

Dont be such a kitten. Just do it.

Velimere.7685:

I’m fairly certain that Greatsword Warriors plague hot-join.

Dont think I have seen one in weeks. Its just hambow. Most are crap, but the good ones can shut you down completely with the hammer while you can do little to no damage in return due to the healing signet. Good luck going up against 2 of them going melee on your kitten while you are laying on your back for a minute, just chilling.

Fay.2357:

The amount of unloading you’d need to do to stack up enough conditions to kill people is equivalent to the amount of unloading you could do in power builds to kill people.

The difference is that conditions can be instantly cleansed, or completely negated by the use of resistance. Power can’t be.

Incorrect. Power is negated by dodging, popping active defenses on weapons or popping active defenses on skills. Conditions cant be instantly cleanse anywhere near the amount that power damage can be instantly negated. You often only have 1 skill to cleanse a couple conditions, 2 if you are lucky. Question is, how much “resistance” do we have?

The worst thing is probably that condi builds are already powerful in smaller numbers. Condi being meta will be… dull. 5-10 man havoc squads just run condi stacking builds and melt everything they focus on? Many current builds have no real condition cleanse. Weak condi-cleanse classes are going to be crippled by it while strong condi-cleanse classes grow even stronger.

But its not like it matters. All that matters is that it works in PvE. WvW can be broken, we all know it.

briggah.7910:

Dawdler.8521:

What you want instead is a buff to smaller groups.

Example: You tag up as commander. 10 people join your squad. Now you get a “commanding presence” buff which give those 10 people and you a small boon. If you want to give that buff to the other 20 people in your zerg… Those need to be in 2 different 10 man squads. It doesnt force a split, but it encourage more commanders on the field and simple tactics of a zerg (you, red commander, go right with your 10 man buffed squad!).

Well your buff idea would hurt smaller roaming groups that are less than 10. Also whats to stop people from just joining a squad just to get the buff and then they go off on their own? They’d be buffed yet the people they encounter wouldn’t.. Doesn’t sound fair.

Your logic is as silly as arguing that having a commander is unfair. Shall we remove the commander? They seriously hurt single players engaging 50 man blobs.

The point was to encourage splitting your forces rather than punish sticking together.

You have to draw a line somewhere. 10 people sounded like a nice figure. Could it be multi-stage buff? Sure. Maybe it gives a certain percentage per member in the group. Of course the buff would be given in a range around the commander as well. Have a little imagination. Because that’s all it is, an idea that’s never going to happen.

And the debuff idea would hurt 20 people engaging 50 people. If those 50 people are scattered they have no debuff, while the 20 will need to stack to survive… and thus get debuffed. Doesnt sound fair.

darkaheart.4265:

do they just want to nerf warrior in all possible ways??

Obviously -_-

300 range on anything is just plain stupid. Its literally an arms length. An Asuran arm.

They can add an arbitrary nerf like that in this laundry list of changes that no one asked for, but they cant increase the range of commander supply check in 3 freaking years.

CnaeusDane.2938:

Yes. Yes they will. And small groups of 10 who know what they’re doing will be much more efficient. Discuss.

They arent efficient already?

Yesterday we held a 50+ man blob and a 25ish guild group from capping bay with just 30 peeps on tag. We had to bring in EB. That’s how much we wanted to keep that T3 bay. The fight lasted an entire evening.

Guess who took bay at the end? A god kitten 8 man guild group that had been harassing us all evening. Bay was swiss cheese, we where fighting hard at the south camp to kill a treb and… a havoc group capped bay. kitten.

The thing is, this “stampede” debuff wont stop blobs. Especially not at 600 range. You’d need like 5000 range. The only thing its going to hurt is stopping to stack, which is generally either for utility (stack to see supplies) or for defensive and regroup purposes (which can be very dangerous in combat against larger/equal forces).

On top of that, its a system that punish players. You dont want to punish players for playing. You want to encourage players not to blob yes, but that’s a whole other thing than adding a debuff. This is the eqvivalent to instead of having outmanned buff, the game had a overpowering buff where the sides not outmanned get -25% speed, -25% power and -25% vitality. Yeah. People would go apekitten. Its a bad, bad practice.

What you want instead is a buff to smaller groups.

Example: You tag up as commander. 10 people join your squad. Now you get a “commanding presence” buff which give those 10 people and you a small boon. If you want to give that buff to the other 20 people in your zerg… Those need to be in 2 different 10 man squads. It doesnt force a split, but it encourage more commanders on the field and simple tactics of a zerg (you, red commander, go right with your 10 man buffed squad!).

Jabloko.7039:

For someone who is not experienced in the art of the GW2 PvP, it is simply a punishing experience

You know the two parts of that sort of go hand in hand.

Try different builds, try different professions. You are highly unlikely to play all of them good. GW2 sPvP is the simplest thing ever if you go with the basics. Either you bring a bunker and stand on point or you bring a zerker and +1 fights. Condi/celestial hybrids is if you want to get fancy.

GW2 already support larger parties than 5, but why the kitten Anet hasnt extended the parties in open PvE and WvW is anyones guess. They dont really feel like it, I suppose.

nexxe.7081:

Oxidia.8103:

That’s why i only convert gold to gems. No gold=no gems for me, no regrets later on i spent my irl money on in game vanity items that don’t effect my preformance ingame whatsoever.

But do you regret spending all that time grinding for gold? That’s the real issue here. A subscription would let you do multiple tasks to achieve your gear and items, but in GW2, there is only one way to get the gem store items, and that is grinding for gold. to exchange it for gems. People value their time more than their money/gold.

Indeed.

Its really a matter of judging effort.

So I can get 4000 gems the rich snob way… Or I can spend 4 kitten months of 3 hours grinding everyday so that I can convert gold to gems.

Uh, no.

I’d rather spend those 4 months doing what I enjoy in the game. Sometimes that gets me gold, sometimes it dont. I can lazily play WvW for hours just scouting or I can fill my inventory in a Silverwaste round. I do what I find fun at the time. There are some people that claim they get 500g a day from farming and that’s fine! Good for them! They can convert gold to gems all they want for with little time spent. But for normal players that sometimes doesnt even see an exotic drop for a week, opening the wallet can actually make sense. Even if it seem expensive. Of course Anet has priced items high. They want you to spend lots of cash. That’s what keep GW2 running.

Anet purposely killed PvE server identity and roleplaying with the introduction of megaservers and made no effort to salvage it even the slightest (like having core zones be server specific).

In the good old days being on a roleplaying designated server could be hilarious. I remember seeing 10 player patrols walking down the roads in Gendarran Fields, lol. Or the slightly more disturbing times of accidentally walking into a certain tavern cellar in Queensdale and seeing 10 naked people in there…

Nowadays its just a rush for daily events.

If you can find a really cheap 290X, that’s the best value card nowadays (be sure to get one with custom fan though).

If you wait a couple of days, that will probably be replaced by 390X but it depends on the cost. If its as much as a GTX980… I’d almost say get the GTX980. 390X by all indications will be about as fast as the GTX970 but with 8gb vram. Its performance upgrade over 290X is minor and since the reference fans are still complete kitten compared to Nvidias (290X reference run hot and loud) chances are that the good cards will soar in price. If those extra 4gb are really worth it… meh I dont know. 3 years from now, possibly.

Best performer is GTX980Ti, its as fast as a Titan X (unless you happen to run something that consume more than 6gb vram). A bit pricey though, but cheaper than Titan X.

Fury will more than likely cost as much as a Titan X and run on about the same level, ie no one is going to buy it except tech nerds that drool over HBM memory and theoretical compute performance.

In the future the cut down air cooled Fury may be interesting if they price it on a GTX980 level, but I seriously doubt that’s going to happen. Not to mention its probably at least 4 months or more away.

DISCLAIMER: I never ever advice anyone to get anything kittentier than the performance card or the cut down version of this card. All these Nvidia GTX950 or Radeon 250B or whatever the hell kind of kitten version names Nvidia and AMD cook up, its all crap. Poor driver support often leading to a very poor experience. There are always only two versions that’s worth it. Been like that forever now.

Rym.1469:

Hmm…You say? That’s quite a discovery.
We have amazing defenses. That’s totally why we’re being focused every time we appear in sight. Because we have strong defenses.

Have you ever played with a lf regen bunker Necro? If they are focused, you’ve probably won the match already.

If a zerker Necro is focused, its because its one of the most dangerous +1 on the battlefield. Far worse than a Thief, which loose 50% of his HP just trying to run up to you. Low defenses, sure… That’s sort of what you get when you build for 2 shotting other zerkers at max range.

HeadCrowned.6834:

Necro’s need defensive improvements.

Lulwat? No they dont. Necros are awesome in defensive hold-the-point PvP situations and can hold 2-3 people for quite some time.

The only things I would like to see is this:

1) You spawn with 1/3rd lifeforce (PvP specific).
2) Dark Path is a 900 range straight forward leap that chills and bleed everything in its path (PvP and PvE).

Offair.2563:

mistsim.2748:

yes you are correct, melee rangers are indeed useless in wvw.

No you should say, I am useless as a ranger in wvw.

Fixed it for you.

#1. Arrowcarts have been buffed with ~80% more damage since release (yes, seriously).

#2. There’s been a thread every other week about how OP and broken they are. When masteries was introduced, the entire first page of the WvW forum was pretty much all arrowcart threads.

#3. Theres been tons of suggestions about how to fix the arrowcarts, my personal favorite is to normalize all siege systems into the rotate-with-1-3-fire-by-charging-2 method. That would mean you have to aim and charge the arrowcart shots. It would be faster than cata/treb of course, but not nearly as insta-response-360-noscope as it is now.

#4. Given all 3 previous points, please make an estimate on a scale from 0 to -32768 on the likelyhood of Arenanet giving a Charrs kitten about the arrowcarts.