Guild Wars 2

In fact, just make a fractal out of every 1 time event (when possible). Would stop a lot of crying when ppl miss out on an event. Karka event for example.

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bladie.5084:

timecookie.8570:

After you headshot, you should have you target automatically defeated. Just common sense.

So freaken true. They should give headshot at least SOME damage.. lol… what a fail skill design….

I love the HS design though. Great interrupt spammable skill. Giving it more damage would make it too strong imo.

Imo they should just change the name of the skill because seriously. Headshot = dead

timecookie.8570:

After you headshot, you should have you target automatically defeated. Just common sense.

Agreed

I don’t even care for swiftness anymore. It’s like a drug: once you’re used to it, it’s hard to go back. I have swiftness on dodge but I rarely use it.

Travlane.5948:

bc if we save steal til the middle of combat we have to find antoehr way to get closer to the enemy….HS? eh that wastest way too much intiative. invis? eh why was intiative/utility skill? shadows step? cmon need to save that for emergency.

Infiltrator’s strike and shadow shot also works for ppl who use sword main or D/P (or both). I never used steal as an opener, always as a finisher. The burst dmg from mug was (for me) meant to quickly burst an enemy down when he’s about to die and activating his heal. (And yes, my mug dmg only did 3k dmg).

I understand that some of you don’t like the change. Was just saying that generalising that every low dmg build relies on high mug dmg was wrong. In duels I rely on healing denial: Headshot, tactical strike, burst when he’s low at health. These things help me beat an enemy. I’m not sure if I’ll like the change or hate it, time and fight experience will tell.

Different topic that was mentioned in here: F1 comparison. You shouldn’t compare our F1 with classes that have 3 or 4 Fskills. Compare it to a warrior, a ranger or a necro (necro’s F1 is good though). Compared to them, the only negative part I rly have with steal is the long cd. Someone here mentioned having venoms on F2-F4. This is something I would rly look forward to. No one actually uses the venoms right now except in venom sharing builds (which have no benefits in tPvP). Problem is that they have to replace 4 skills then with new skills, so implementing this idea would cost them a lot of time. So it won’t be any time soon they’ll implement this (if they would).

Wonderer.1790:

Meh, everyone in this thread that’s crying is a burst player, everyone else counter crying is sword dagger or condition. Looks like S/D will be the most played build coming up.

D/P and S/P hybrid survive/burst here, I’m not crying though
Retraining S/D though right now, I wanna test that flanking strike when the buff comes.

Also another option for counter criers: Ppl who don’t even use mug at all?

Nachtz.4930:

By the way, you should suggest to rename the thiefs, since they do not steal anything…

F1 skill: Steal
Just my 2 cents

Yeah, it’s funny to see them be surprised.
Learned this trick from fractals.

I prefer it this way. I never use steal in an opening attack unless it’s a surprise.
When fighting tpvp I keep steal for the +3 initiative boost. The healing in a later timed steal will be great in this tactic.
I played without mug for quite a while and it’s not that hard to play without the damage. I re-used mug now because I like variation and this update might spice things up even more for me.

Bad players cry when an update happens (no matter what kind of update)
Good players adapt.
(Great players own, but that’s a detail)

Nikkinella.8254:

Looks like the whining thieves finally got their way. I can’t wait till they finally get hit by nerf after nerf so they can see what its like.

4-5 months ago in thieves forum

Looks like the whining ele’s finally got their way. I can’t wait till they finally get hit by nerf after nerf so they can see what its like.

See any resemblances?

1) 4 initiative cost,
2) 2 hit skill with only evade on second hit,
3) bad pathing for second hit
4) Very easy to dodge.

Also, that’s a S/D build, they don’t have backstabs (unless it’s on a second weapon setup)

Build is out there for quite a while but hard to master because of point 3

Funny part is that the skill actually worked before update (where you teleported whether you wanted or not)

Rangers aren’t the easiest targets. Facing a good sword MH ranger is rather annoying and can quickly tick you down to death. Luckily in WvW (since this is about WvW I guess) a LOT of rangers don’t carry that set. tPv kitten omething entirely else.

naphack.9346:

Shout:
“GET OVER HERE!”

Thief’s scorpion wire: Enjoy yourself (though you’ll have to add the text yourself .. )

^agreed
I join sPvP for killing people and getting some duels. Occasionally to train a new build or profession.
tPvP for winning.

I use it in all games too (D/P + S/P)
Pistol whip’s dmg is nerfed, but it’s still a good surviving tool.
I use D/P mostly against ppl I can burst, S/P if I know they will outheal me. I just wait ’till they are at 25% (slowly with pistolwhip and IS) and then I switch to D/P to finish them.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Incurafy.6329:

Artificer.3468:

My favourite was when i was sttomping a tough condi thief after an intense battle and as he ported away, i used steal to finish the stomp unhindered.

+10

Without a doubt the most enjoyable use of Steal.

I can top it…sorta. Same scenario except you are in the middle of a zerg and while youre stomping the thief, he ports, and you shadow step to him since my steal was used earlier on him :p, and when you complete the stomp and the enemies are roflaoeing at your location, you shadow return and use the stolen hair to slip away, as if you were some sorta thief in the night…..

Even more epic
Killed enemy thief trying to escape me just in front of his spawncamp buff.
He teleports in, I wait ’till my finishing move is almost finished, shadowstep in.
Kill him, shadowstep out before the legendary guardians killed me

Taril.8619:

If you already have the Revealed debuff from attacking from stealth within the previous 4 seconds you won’t be stealthed from Blinding Powder.

Occasionally if you have a ranged attack flying to a target and pop Blinding Powder before the projectile hits the target, then the attack can break the stealth causing Revealed.

If you have a ground targeted AoE patch on the floor (Such as Caltrops or “Throw Gunk”) the ticks of damage it does can count as an attack and break stealth immediately.

Throw gunk: Yes
Caltrops: No
Poison and caltrops don’t count because they don’t inflict direct damage (both just add a condition to the enemy). Throw gunk on the other does direct dmg + conditions.

4 initiative for the teleport + Blind from shadowshot but no dmg
I use it myself now and then, but I prefer
Shadow shot – stealth – backstab (when the enemy knows I’m there, in a suprise attack I use a different combo)

Volrath.1473:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

I actually like using it in TPvP .. My third utility is an optional skill, so I test how to play with certain utilities without rly giving up my effectiveness and SW works well for the knockdown (the pull-over part is what’s bugged mostly, but I only need it for the knockdown)

The skill could use some buff, but it’s fun enough to have a place in my bar.

imo as a knockdown it is not very good either since it has a cast time and roots you for the full animation of the skill…

The cast time and the reaction time is enough to interrupt a healing skill. Ofc you could just use headshot on a /P set but there are moments you prefer this.

Scorpio Spork.9568:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Scorpio Spork.9568:

I like it underwater, actually. We have so many gtfo abilities underwater, so SW is a nice re-engage.

Yes, great skill underwater, unlike our “gap closer” throwing spear skill .. seriously I don’t get why you’d use that one.

Because I’m still learning/leveling my thief, and because I like pulling enemies into a friendly zerg instead of pulling myself into an unfriendly zerg. It actually got me several easy kills earlier today.

You misunderstood me
I said “UNLIKE our throwing spear skill”. That skill pulls you to your enemy while crippling them (4#skill on the spear). I don’t get why anyone would use the 4#skill since it’s actually a self-knockdown underwater.
I love scorpion wire underwater. This is a different skill.

I leave the zerg and go roaming.

Scorpio Spork.9568:

I like it underwater, actually. We have so many gtfo abilities underwater, so SW is a nice re-engage.

Yes, great skill underwater, unlike our “gap closer” throwing spear skill .. seriously I don’t get why you’d use that one.

I actually like using it in TPvP .. My third utility is an optional skill, so I test how to play with certain utilities without rly giving up my effectiveness and SW works well for the knockdown (the pull-over part is what’s bugged mostly, but I only need it for the knockdown)

The skill could use some buff, but it’s fun enough to have a place in my bar.

Cyhann.2609:

Wah, don’t tell them our secrets! Now most of these tricks won’t be of any use in a month or so =(
Well whatever, I allways love to distract my enemies with empty shadow refuges, while running in the opposite direction.
And nothing is more stylish than a teleport finisher! I often end up using Shadowstep while finishing an enemy up just for the look of it….^^

Makes me giggle like a little girl whenever I use shadow refuge on a roamer just to scare the kitten out of him (while staying stealthed using blackpowder/clusterbomb combo).

Fortus.6175:

Thieves are above the top in PvP, being perma stealth

Tldr
Only going to respond to the quoted part
You mean wvw? ’Cause perma stealth in s/t pvp makes every little girl giggle.

In PvP, stealth stomping is rly useful. In WvW however (since that’s where your complaints are coming from) just having an attentive party will stop a thief from stomping you.
As a thief myself I’d just stealth my party member or just throw a blind guess daze attack on where the thief should be. Dazing is prolly a great way of stopping enemies from finishing an ally or healing up his friend.

PS: i’m your GL, stand down ox! .. :P

gwawer.9805:

The thief dagger throw that cripples is spammable., But most importantly the ability does not activate if you are not facing the target. I will repeat that the ability does NOT activate if you’re not facing the target. That prevents you from wasting your ability.

As a thief (and warrior alt) I disagree, I dodge roll a lot so I mostly have my back towards the enemy after an evade. I’d immediately get back in the fight with shadow shot (a shadowstep skill from D/P setup that blinds and hurts you while shadowstepping me to you). Because of this I have to set myself right before I can activate the skill.

We used to be able to activate a skill while not facing a target but this got updated somewhere last year (because of rangers using their shortbow quick shot I think)

jportell.2197:

stof.9341:

No. Both #3 is used to get to the optimal range for your main hand weapon which is the main damage source. It builds distance for P/X and gets you closer for D/X.

yes but if you are using p/d how often do you want to be at a very far range? The burst comes from sneak attack… I understand the reasoning for why they did it as such… But very few p/d thieves that I have fought use #3 and when I play p/d I never use it because I am more concerned about being in melee to cnd for the next burst… The aa damage isn’t good at all with a MH pistol and you need to be melee to get stealth… This is why I feel the #3 skill in p/d is just counterintuitive because it counter acts the distance we need for getting into stealth.

Playing D/P P/D set, I use the P/D #3 for escaping (since I only use P/D when I’m losing the battle)

Adaneshade.2409:

Faeyd.5094:

Had a lot of fun last night. for a single PvP bout I decided to use 22222 exclusively and always with haste. I had an AWESOME amount of trash talk coming my way, it was fantastic.

Did you actually kill anyone with that though? lol

Spamming Sword 2 actually does kill people but indirectly. If you are playing 2v2, and both of you target one person. That one person will have a rly tough time escaping the immobilize, giving your ally all the chances he need to kick his kitten

DanH.5879:

i actually like to spam 22222222
no, thank you :P

Burn the witch! ..

I once got “revealed” from my stealth because I leveled … Leveling got me killed.

Adaneshade.2409:

I’d rather see SR not break stealth upon being knocked out of it, rather just keep whatever stealth you’d built up. Currently it’s nearly worthless vs any but the most pitiful of opponents.

Right now I use SR as a troll utility to fake my location ..

wads.5730:

therefore you people saying if somehow ‘stacking’ stealth is affected is misinformed. no stealth skills ‘stack’ with each other except for shadow refuge.

Thieves have ways to stack stealth without shadow refuge
Hide in shadows + blind powder would give 7 seconds stealth (if traited)
Spamming leap finishers/blast finishers on smokefields stack stealth too.
But true: “Stacking stealth is affected” is misinformed
Chaining stealth however is affected (using a stealth just when you leave stealth)

Anonymity hood
“filling space”

What about chaining Hide in shadows with Blinding powder?
Will it still give you 6-8seconds stealth? (and spamming clusterbomb on smokescreen?)

In general I won’t mind the nerf during combat. Will suck during an escape though. Not because the enemy will see me when I pop out of stealth (since culling will be fixed) but because I have to wait for the debuff before I can use my utility (assuming it was on a cooldown for a few seconds).

You can just walk out of pistol whip channel … As soon as you are channeling pw, press any move button and you’ll stop channeling (and be able to dodge).

Also, you are able to run while using the “pistol” part of the attack, once you start attacking with the sword you are rooted

Iavra.8510:

Also thanks to the permastealth Charr thief who entertained us at Dzagonur spawn tower around that time and for the fun duel we had afterwards ^^

Are you a guardian? ‘Cause if so, that’s me..
Had to wait a while before I got you somewhere, where I could fight you without much interference. Never been good in fighting guardians

Tarsius.3170:

Damage from AoE and reflection skills are no longer limited to enemy combatants

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bettadenu.5483:

Last Refuge is a love/hate trait, honestly it needs to ignore revealed effect and allow you to get into stealth at said %hp. But to compensate has to move up in the trait tree otherwise it’s too OP for just 5 points.

Also make last refuge stealth like the mesmer “mass invisibility”. This way if you used cloak and dagger just when you proc last refuge, you won’t get 6s of stealth but only 3 (8 and 4 with traits) when ignoring revealed effect. Fix for us without ppl crying about a too long stealth duration.

While the post is here
How often can a mesmer teleport if he traits for it and uses the right weapon setup?
And what specific skills are those?

Fought a good mesmer last night who kept escaping my stuns/dazes/immobilizes with teleports (not every time, but often enough to keep himself alive). He didn’t use any stealths because I never lost my “target”.

TheGuy.3568:

I don’t know how to do this for an entire team but i can do it solo with D/P. I do find it funny that one wrong move you cause damage and have an “O hai there!” moment with the enemy.

Shortbow first set, x/P second set
Use blackpowder/clusterbomb and smokescreen/clusterbomb combination to keep stealth up. This setup is initiative heavy though, so you’ll need patience/infusion of shadows

:confessionbear:
I actually like it… I always use my utility blinding powder or hide in shadows when I hit low health anyway, so the trait just prolongs the stealth I get.

Attempt 1: failed
Couldn’t find a good spot where the clusterbomb wouldn’t reveal me ..
And when I could, it was a bit obvious for the enemies to see a smokescreen veil ..

Attempt 2 tomorrow

I was experimenting earlier in wvw, and I found out the same tactic.

I think one thief can actually keep a team of 5 stealthed this way. Using “infusion of shadows” “infiltrator’s signet” and “patience” for initiative gaining (since we’re now assuming you’re the only thief)
Blackpowder clusterbomb combo, smokescreen clusterbomb combo (cause blackpowder doesn’t last long enough for a solo teamstealth) and in case of urgency Shadow refuge and/or blinding powder.

Going to try this out now with some guildies

Easy way:
S/P, lure the enemy around a corner (they will all, even the scouts, mob on point blank range). Use black powder and auto attack only. The first part is a bit boring (you miss a lot because of the scout’s powder) but once they died it’ll be over quickly.

(ps: I use infusion of shadow and infriltrator’s signet, not sure if it’s rly needed to keep this tactic up, but those are traits/utilities I use in general)

Just a small note: Thieves don’t have any acces to invulnerable except in PvE when fighting pirates. Because -hiccup- Yarrrr

There are certain cliffs (borderland north east supply camp) that can be scaled with tactical placing of infiltrator’s arrow. There are some other locations too like in Lion’s Arch at the boats. These places are reachable on foot and is why IA works. This is not exploiting but mastering the skill rly.
Only when the skill gets to someplace that wouldn’t be reachable on foot (for example by jumping) it is an “exploit” (though sometimes I wish it could pass a stupid tree trunk but no .. I had to “jump” for that).

I just have a reflex to press F as soon as a F-command comse up rly .. Only lose my bags when I die. There’s already a reason why the bag drops beneath you instead of at their dead body