Guild Wars 2

Dog.1472:

Again, you speak as if you are the epitome of understating and yet you can’t even understand the simple point that it is mobility combined with healing that is the problem. Warrior has mobility, not healing, and look where they are.

You failed to make a point.

Excellent.

If mobility + healing is the problem.

And you are aware that nerfing mobility affects all builds, while nerfing healing affects most notably the overpowered build.

Please tell me why would you nerf mobility, out of all things?

I browsed 3 pages and found no complaints about its disappearance.

Yes, if it means mesmer / ranger nerfs, yes.

OP? where are you?

It’s ok, I’d hide too after that slap in the face called patch notes l0l.

maddoctor.2738:

Dog.1472:

Yes, Immobilize will totally stop an Ele.

Granting regeneration to yourself or an ally cures a condition, attuning to water grants regeneration, using a cantrip grants regeneration, cleansing fire: remove 3 conditions (4 actually), mist form: make yourself invulnerable for 3 seconds while remaining completely mobile (and remove a condition).

Combine their lack of condition removal with the super long casting time that RTL has and you can totally stop them right in their tracks.

I don’t know if trolling or not but certainly a totally ignorant post… Unless they integrated all those traits in the Elementalist profession (which they didn’t as far as I know) what you mention is achievable with certain traits/builds. Last I checked, RtL is the only option for a non-bunker Ele to escape, and if you made a very simple effort to search before posting, how builds/skills actually work, you would realise that a non-very-specific built Ele doesn’t have all the above condition removals.

Yes, nerf RtL even more, so MORE people roll D/D bunkers, since nerfing their one and only escape skill, that makes going something OTHER than D/D bunker a bit more viable is a great idea…. the “problem” is to make other builds more viable by buffing them, not by nerfing the only viable build more, something that unfortunately our Devs (and some posters) don’t know.

This.

People think that nerfing RtL is the ultimate solution lol, it’s kinda sad how wrong they are.

It’d be so easy to nerf soothing disruption (even more), healing ratios and that water grandmaster trait to oblivion, but nope.avi, let’s kill RtL so we hurt every single non bunker build in the process!

Most of this forums chooses to complain about RtL while ignoring the bigger picture, it’s kinda sad.

It really gets you mad how you can’t catch them, right?

realllllly mad.

I wish I could downvote a post.

Sorry op, but that’s just idiotic. I honestly can’t understand all the witch hunting towards ele.

The most ridiculous part is that almost NO ONE in this forum complains about the kittening build that makes them immortal, they prefer to complain about RtL.

I’m gonna start reporting all of this guy’s post. Holy kitten, eles must have bullied you hard in school.

It’s not so much that they can be very hard to kill.
It certainly is annoying that they can 2 hit you.
The amount of healing and support can really be overwhelming.
Skill cap is non existent, just spam one button.

At the end of the day, it’s all meaningless.

What upsets people the most, is that they often can’t get the satisfaction of killing them. Even if those escape mechanics aren’t necessarily overpowered, or even if the class itself isn’t overpowered, people will moan and cry because said escape abilities always frustrate them to no end.

That’s not to say that the other class strengths won’t be noticed, but still, at best they will be secondary in the complaints list. Never take your eyes off the escape mechanics, for they must be relentlessly nerfed time and time again.

It’s not a nice feeling to be really close to something (in this case, killing an enemy) just to watch it flee, or disappear, or any way in which you ultimately lose your chance to finish the deal. This applies to many real life situations.

It sure is frustrating, but the root of the problem often lies somewhere else.

#saveRtL
#savestealth2013

I can assure you that after the upcoming stealth nerf, and a possible 2nd RtL nerf, people will still be whining about the mobility of these two classes.

waka.9826:

Dinster.7063:

so for you guys rtl is frustrating and “game breaking”. And a tanky ranger orb carrier with tonns of evades is ok?!

1 well timed immob and it’s good bye to that ranger. Ele has mistform and condi clears and heals up the kitten while it has that mobility.

edit:
Not to mention a tanky ele still contributes a kitten load to team fight, tanky rangers are crap in team fights

Ele can’t condi clears while in RtL form

the more you know!

it’s ridiculous how you just listed the same counter that you’re supposed to use on eles. fail.

Straight to the point, what I would like to have over other stuff:

1. Dueling implemented (right click -> duel)

2. Public arenas in certain main cities (mass clusterkitten)

3. Custom PvP arenas

4. two new fractals

5. Dragons, and most world events completely reworked so they are actually hard to complete (by implementing challenging mechanics, not lolspawn20championsaroundyou)

That would be more than enough to make me very, very happy.

I thought enemy teams couldn’t ascend a spirit in a node that your team owned.

Why can’t weapons be good for different roles?

Staff is excellent for aoe damage, support, control and works well when lots of enemies are together.

Why do you want to take away it’s main strength? So it can be like D/D? Different weapon sets, different ways of using them.

Staff could use some slight buffs, but its core mechanics don’t need to be changed . Just get over the fact that it’s not a good 1v1 weapon.

milo.6942:

Zepidel.5349:

Why do people literally have 2x their HP while in downed state?

that would be a great question,
if it were true

but it is true.

condition damage is not a optimal setup for elementalists. other classes can do it much better without sacrificing so much for it.

eruption build is solid for pve, though.

Can’t wait to make my “no mesmers allowed” arenas.

still looking for damage numbers

you’re a guardian, what’s dodge?

TexZero.7910:

So, you want to take responsibility for that half baked fix ?

I mean i’ve seen better proposed fixes, i think they should get priority over you and anet should fire whoever thought this fix was a good idea.

never implied it was a good fix, but I seem to be on the same page with anet when it comes to “solutions”

Razor.6392:

Fix: Allow only 1 character per account to loot chests.

? ?

Posting in yet another Lordrosicky ele QQ thread.

i agree delete time warp

but i love dem golems :/

does anyone have a clear idea of how much damage they make, and how durable they are?

I heard that the golem has a knockback tho? I wonder how much damage can it pull off…

How powerful is the golem?

Verisuvalise.3615:

100 blades does ~10 000 damage – very hard to land
Blurred Frenzy does ~2 000 damage – not so hard to land

not so bad, imo

Blurred Frenzy turns you invulnerable.

evens out, imo.

but still comes on top because of hurr durr autoface

I love when people try to use common sense in games, like the guy above.

That’s like saying that necros shouldn’t be able to bleed inquest golems because they’re robots.

broken mechanics are broken, no pet or npc should keep agro on a stealthed target.

I dislike it.

you don’t burst, you don’t DoT things to death, you don’t heal like a madman.

ele is already the jack of all trades but imo that build doesn’t really help any of their strengths enough in order to make them worthwhile.

10 arcane / 15 water are mandatory in my builds.

Mist form, renewing stamina and cleansing wave are also must haves.

rangers take skill now?

good, I never liked mesmers anyway.

so its perfectly fine for an ele to destroy you 1v1, but it’s not fine that they have the choice to run away?

more logic please.

doesn’t “piercing shards” work when you are attuned to water only?

go try it at the mists.

once RtL is nerfed to oblivion, what are you gonna cry about?

address the root of the problem. elementalists are only annoying because they are unkillable. a glass cannon, or normally geared elementalist will have zero survivability if you butcher RtL again.

use your brain, if you have one.

just try and tell me, how hard is killing a staff ele solo? you have the answer there. that’s what happens with an elementalist that has no mobility.

teg.1340:

To all of you who use WASD + 12345 for skills:

How do you use your skills without moving the middle finger from W to your 1-5 keys? Are you some kind of octopus?

ring finger = 1-2
index finger = 3-4-5

middle finger = w

tbh I dont even know how I do it, am I the only one that cannot pretend to play the game with the computer turned off? I don’t know what to press, or which finger does what. I have to be looking at the game screen otherwise it all goes blank in my mind

As an ele I have issues escaping against a group of 4-5 if they get the upper hand on me.

As a thief, I can easily juke 10 people chaining stealth for up to 12 seconds WITHOUT shadow refuge.

Eles are fine in the mobility department. The only thing that makes an ele “mobile” is RtL, stop trying to nerf the single ability that helps them to have that tag.

Okay, simply put, isn’t it a BIT too hard to catch a thief running away? With “12 seconds stealth” they cover more distance unnoticed in a shorter time than any other class, and even warriors seem to struggle with getting them.
Then there is the blinding powder, it makes sense that it should blind melle attackers, but why are ranged attackers blinded? Does the projectile form some sort of dark-connecting blindness link or something?
Not sure how to balance this out, but I feel Thief is way too slippery atm.

I play a thief, and I can get into way more trouble and get away with it pretty easily.

I wish my ele could do that. It’s unfair to complain about classes while choosing to ignore others that do the same but 200x better.

Strongest class = mesmer.

Eles only achieved ‘op’ status because of that one build. Before everyone found out about it, what was said about eles? what was it? underpowered, useless, trash tier?

lordbyron… everyone always disagree with you… wonder why… maybe we are all wrong… is this real life…
?

It’s not how it’s supposed to work, no matter how you look at it or how much you HATE stealth.

Stealth’s getting nerfed, at least they could fix this for consistency.

5 seconds is a LOT in games where life or death is determined by something as little as 0.3 seconds of reaction time.

It was a huge nerf, and most importantly it affected GC eles (actually reliant on mobility to survive) more than it would ever affect the infamous bunkers (reliant on lol200boons20000healing200000condiremoval + mobility on top of it).

Braxxus.2904:

The OP’s attitude and post/ideology is exactly what kills pvp populations.
The trickle down theory does not work.
You need to serve the middle class, not the 1%.

wrong. no game does the balancing like that.

incinerator does infact SUCK horribly.

My goal is to get 2x fractal daggers, but that’s out of my reach in many ways.

I use moonshanks for now, they look great.

wut, culling won’t affect pve?

gg

Thieves really aren’t hard to counter, at least 90% of them aren’t. The good ones can really be a pain in the butt.

If you are running PVT (most likely you are), you won’t kill anyone at all so don’t be surprised if even a glass thief can outheal you easily. I play glass and I have no issues with thieves mostly.

Protips:
1. If you see a thief come to you, check if he has Basilisk venom up (or devourer venom). If he does then get ready to dodge. Steal / shadowstep signet have 900 range.

2. If you couldn’t dodge, or maybe if they approached to you with a 1200 gap closer (shadowstep utility / traited steal) then INSTANTLY stun break. (Mist form is recommended).

3. I use the glyph heal, personally, so it’s easier for me to use it as soon as I stun break in case I fail to dodge, but signet heal users might have trouble regenerating it all back to full.

4. Once you dodge / avoid / survive their steal+backstab combo, d/d thieves don’t have a lot of ways to close the gap on you to backstab you again, take this chance to damage them as much as you can. (d/p thieves can be painfully annoying to face, good thing not many people run that)

5. Updraft, earthquake, mist form, arcane shield and shocking aura are your friends. If all of those are down then you’re extremely vulnerable, I wouldn’t face a thief with my utilities down. (I don’t use armor of earth, but it can also help).

6. Back to the 1v1 situation, once the thief wasted steal+backstab he will attempt to heal (stealth), blinding powder (stealth) or shadow refuge (long stealth). And anyone with a brain knows that they WILL try to backstab you after going in steath (If they decide to use stealth with a ranged weapon, it can actually be harder for you to counter them). So what you do is: Wait for them. Most cloaking spells only last 3-4 seconds, so you know when to dodge (or arcane shield to troll them hardcore). If they use shadow refuge you can aoe damage that area (because shadow refuge stealths longer if you stay in that area, if they move away, it lasts less) forcing them to be stealthed for less time, or you can just RtL away or if you’re kitteny you can wait for them while spamming autoattack all over the place (while having arcane shield or other “oh kitten” button ready).

Anyway, these strats are certainly more advanced than you’ll need for facing your average HS spamming bad thief so it might be a little overkill, but still, with that should be enough to survive.

I gotta say that I have an easier time with thieves because of being glass. If you do little damage they can escape at will and reset the fight whenever they want. But if I’m doing 5k / 2k / 2.5k with an updraft / burning speed / ring of fire combo… it becomes kinda hard for them to run away.

Davinci.8027:

Sand Beagle.9867:

Davinci.8027:

Please do not make comments on what is viable/not viable, what is OP/UP, and whether rally should be in the game or not.

More people hotjoin than play tournaments. Tournys are in the minority.

Face it, GW2 “structured” pvp is meant to be hotjoin. This game cant support competitive play.

WvW on the other hand is quite well done. It has its problems, but at least each class is moderately playable, and the glaring problems with game mechanics and poor design choices arent as significant.

Just because more people play hotjoins does not mean it’s where the PvP is headed or where balance is supposed to be based around. The devs have repeatedly said that tPvP is where they want this game heading. They have made the wrong choices when it comes to features/core systems and this has led to a decline in the tPvP population.

If I can guess right, you probably under the illusion that mesmers and thieves are ‘RIDICULOUSLY" op and need a hard nerf. This is the point I was originally getting at.
If all you play is hotjoin, you do not understand the mechanics/gameplay enough to make a suitable and valuable judgement on what is OP or UP. You are entitled to your opinion, and it’s there, that’s fine. But don’t expect the devs to take your opinion into account when they are balancing.

aren’t shatter mesmers getting nerfed tho?

I do believe they are overpowered because of the sheer amount of frustrating mechanics that a single clone-bot can bring to the table.

Visionary.5681:

Razor.6392:

Visionary.5681:

mbh.8301:

bomber.1540:

Does that mean I have no right to an opinion?

Depends if you’re bad / your opinions are bad.

The arrogance of this person is getting beyond funny.

The game style he plays is the only one that matters.

Only those who share an opinion the same as his, have valid opinions.

I do wonder how these people survive in the real world?

All I know is that someone with limited knowledge of a certain subject, shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion.

And that would include you. It is indeed beyond funny how that simple fact annoys you.

People shouldnt be allowed to have opinions?

Hahahahah

I’m starting to think your trolling? There is no way someone with any intelligence , could state the things you do.

Or maybe i’m overlooking the obvious about you?

Your opinion in this subject is as valuable as one from a 5 years old about an advanced math problem.

Sure you can have an opinion, but it’s absolutely pointless. You simply lack the knowledge to make your opinion valid, therefore you shouldn’t bother.

I get your point though, you can rant all you want, at the end of the day no one will pay you attention, which nets the same result.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Here is a typical occurance whilst solo queuing. But o yeh anet I should carry this team right?

And no it isnt just about ranks. It is about premades having tactics and most crucically having a good team composition. The necro/2 warrior/2 thief comp isnt exactly great.

It is a joke. The ladder is going to be a COMPLETE joke because people like me cannot get high on it no matter how pro we are.

Everyone on my team quit after about 3 minutes.

Nice score bro.

Create an ele so you can 1v5 the enemy team and carry matches on your own!

I know of:

100nades
Condition w/ pistol + flamethrower or elixir gun or any of that
bomb kit
power build w/ rifle

is there more out there? I heard of HGH but idk how it works. Do the other kits / utilities have a place in other builds? Rocket boots, turrets, pain converter, etc.

i really hate getting no answers.