Guild Wars 2

So you want more PvE in PvP?

Is this the only we’ll ever get more loot in WvW? HAS IT REALLY HAD TO COME TO THIS!

cries

Don’t know about staff clones.

Do know that the trait doesnt apply, and perplexity runes confusion duration bonus is broken right now.

Chaos.3579:

DeathReign.7821:

I’d like iWarden to walk to his target if and when he gets knocked back and/or his target moves to attack something else.

I’d also like iDisenchanter to not spawn at the most awkward places and instead spawn like the other ranged phantasms (iWarlock, iDuelist and iMage) next to you.

Mantras. How to get started on mantras… Well if anything I’d like mantras to be refilled (or have the option to be recharged) if you’ve already used 1 charge and are out of combat.

Oh, and it’d be awesome if staff clones’ attacks actually bounced all the time. Would make iElasticity much more valuable.

I warden is not made for damage. It’s made for projectlies protection/reflects(with trait)

The ability to control were they spawn and use their first attack would be nice though.

Have to agree. Do any other classes get to create in field “terrain”? Having a iWarden or two in the field can completely shut a ranged offensive down, forcing the enemy into melee (and subsequently into the iWarden). If he’s running off all the time he’s A: not attacking, and B: charging into melee/ranged attacks to die. Bad times

Chaos, was it you trying to put together a blinds build? If so I was going to suggest superior runes of the flock.

Vortigern.1987:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Right. So what you’re saying is, as a casual gamer you’re not playing to win, and thus are happy running an inferior design. Ok, I can accept that. (FYI, this comment has nothing to do with the trait layout per’se)

May i ask you which skills are suffering from the 4% less condition duration? Are there actually conditions in this build who lose a tick of damage with only 56% duration compared to the 60% provided by the better food (66/70% with Traveler Runes)?

I was talking more this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAra7flwzipXQzoGb9IxpHQP6SnkCV/6SKwduB-j0BBYhDiOHqIaslhFRjVdDTHjIq2kL1GzDRTIAFrBA-w

vs this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAra7flwzipXQzoGb9IxpHQP6SnkCV/6SKwduB-jECBYfBCNM05QFRjtMsIasqbY6YER1mcp2YeIaSBAzaA-w

Just as one possibility. There are still more tweaks that could be made. Given, I think an extra second of a cc condition is far more important than a second of damage (necessarily), but the fact remains, 4% can make all the difference.

Here, throw in a few sigils and you have 100% burning with torch, and 100% bleeding on pistol.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAra7flwzipXQzoGb9IxpHQP6SnkCV/6SKwduB-jkCBohDimCAkEAmEJQ5QFRjtMsIasqbY6YER1mcp2YeIaSBAzaA-w

While I don’t think there is a need for one true definition of hybrid, here’s where I think the term comes from, and the context with which it revolves around.

“Hybrid” builds occur when players take, or move away from any given min/max builds being used in the current/overall meta. So, for example, we have Glass Cannon builds which revolve around max power, crit chance, and crit damage. Then we have “Condition Builds”, which sit on the other end of the spectrum, sacrificing that raw burst damage for max condition damage and related stats. So “Hybrid” occurs when someone takes those extremes and tries to find a functional, viable build somewhere in between.

Glass Cannon vs Condition is the main, obvious Hybrid. I run one myself. Find any min/max builds and try to cross them, and you’ll probably find something you could label Hybrid under my given definition.

dukerustfield.7120:

It’s not 10% it’s 4%. It will never be a second unless it’s something like poison and that will be maxed anyway because of my mega fury phantasms. And frankly, I spend a lot of time walking around and standing around in WvW and I’m a casual gamer. It’s not worth it.

As for your build, while I like defense and +1 cloak, I think boon duration is a waste. I don’t have boons and don’t like arcane thievery. If you fought me it would give you nothing, for instance. If I die it’s not because I don’t have defense, it’s because I’m overwhelmed and stunlocked and that will happen regardless of defense.

Right. So what you’re saying is, as a casual gamer you’re not playing to win, and thus are happy running an inferior design. Ok, I can accept that. (FYI, this comment has nothing to do with the trait layout per’se)

Valarauka.2719:

Soyboy.3548:

If I use mantra of concentration during a lunch, the 2 seconds of stability are wasted lying on the ground.

Using mantra of concentration during a dinner is similarly ineffective. ;p

Hilarious.

Bah. What everybody seems to really want is an elite that grants 90 seconds of swiftness every 90 seconds.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Lahel.6381:

And that’s when you think, hey PU is really only a good trait for running away or against opponents stalling for time to get back-up or are confident in taking you on.

Ps: I know many PU specs can take on 1vX fairly easy

This build does suffer from chase down issues…but what else is new in the world of Mesmer…

Build better.

It’s not just chase, but also escape. Blackwater is as like toying with a flaccid kitten, and in the long run, nobody likes playing with those.

After the 15th Oct this will change. So be patient.

4% isnt worth that much money? The difference between a whole extra 10% or not can mean an entire second, or tick, of a condition.

Anyway check this out. Very similar but you might get some ideas to tweak your build further.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Build-Poisoned-Apples/first#post2484121

Dietzen.6127:

skcamow.3527:

Dietzen.6127:

Agree with the confusion duration needing to adhere to the casters condi duration.

This used to be broken but was fixed a few months ago. Any conditions your illusions inflict (including the iMage) should inherit the mesmers’s condition duration (unless that’s broke again and I wasn’t aware).

Really? Does this include the +33% confusion trait? From what I could find of information, some things counted and others didn’t, and the +33% were one of those things. But the info might very well be old.

Don’t know about the +33% trait because *cough*whatawaste*cough* I don’t use it, but yes, givers weapons, power line, food all carry their condi duration over to phantasms/clones. My Poisoned Apples build has 100% condi duration and a 6 second confusion attack from iMage. Current build I’m running has iMage at 5.5.

I noticed you dont have food or oils/stones/crystals. If in WvW, you should be running these at all times.

The only thing SoR buys are drinks on Fursday Fun WvW Karaoke Karma train.

Yup, so much money poured down the long neck of a tall bottle O:

The only imbalance that exists in WvW is between classes that can tag easily and thus get great loot drops/rewards, and those classes that cannot tag easily and thus get diddly squat.

So at one end of the spectrum you have aoe auto attack spamming guardians who can wade through hellfire and back without breaking a sweat, and on the other is mesmer who hasn’t the aoe capability, mechanics, nor base DPS to even remotely hit the same.

The problem here isnt necessarily the classes, but how the tagging system is designed. Broaden what it means to have “tagged”, and the problem is solved. Then, who cares what class you play. Guardians will retain their 100% tagging power, and Mesmers will tag 100% of the time too.

Yes please.

Why not?

Better yet, Heavy Loot Bags and Tier 6 mat vendor.

More loot balance for dedicated WvW players please.

Deny it if you want but it’s clear from reading this thread that the excitement of leagues is already underway

You’re right, it is amazing if traited and geared right. That said, reduce the CD. The one thing I feel I want more out of my iMage strategy is a faster uptime getting it rolling.

Considering, of course, that iMage has some mechanical problems with spawn and attack distance, and that he (like most phantasms) can die pretty quickly, a shorter CD would in part alleviate these issues.

Dietzen.6127:

Ahh that’s sad though, I was kinda hoping there’d be a good confusion bomb build

Sure there is. Back in the day I used to run shatter confusion bombing.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNArfWlwzqpHTzpGb9IiJFEHyh6x2ldfXJF22FC-jEDBohCiINJjWQZkEJQ5QFRjtEMalhDhVdDTHjIq2cTRzkL1mdACBsYNA-w

Through constant up close and personal shattering you can keep constant confusion stacks on the target with high bursts every now and then. Spawn three clones – shatter. Keep in close proximity dodging around.

That said, the condition meta has changed things now and you’ll probably have a hard time in this spec. Confusion also isnt what it used to be, so you’ll run into other problems like inability to chase/cc etc.

Pretty much the answer to your question is “Any build that makes use of perplexity runes”. Why do you think the first response mentioned Blackwater? It, and other builds like it, rely entirely on the perplexity runes for its confusion damage power.

Nuka Cola.8520:

been saying this since game came out that gs/staff is extremely powerful for shatter or phantasms but some of you here need a person to play in mlg/being streamed to even consider the set. bunch of sheep following each other with sword/pistol/X on this forum.

Funny you saying this Nuke since kitten near every mesmer runs staff and swears by it.

Staff be kitten ed I say, only I don’t care so much if people want to hold tightly to it.

Hey ahh, Anet, wtf did you do this time, and can we expect these sorts of exciting features in the middle of the league?

Poor TC ejected from their fight.

Coming from thief though, the kitten mobility of blackwater will sooner kill you before any player.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can rocket boots blink up ledges and to platforms? If not why would we want to even dream of an inferior alternative?

<b>what does that help when you dont have the speed to escape?</b>
Sure you get up there a few seconds faster, good job i have Rocket Boots and/or jump shot as well as plenty of swiftness on my Engineer along with stuns and interrupts to slow you further.

Where in WvW bar a few select areas will that help/save you? open field combat – useless

Again, you’re assuming and asserting your builds weakness into the argument. That’s your liability, not mine. My blink synergises well with my build so that I come out with the advantage, while yours, evidently, does not. This is not a flaw in blink. This is a flaw in your build, the choices you’ve made, and what you weren’t willing to take in place of something else.

Leave blink alone you bully.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Poor Mesmer doesnt want to sacrifice some killing power for mobility. Queue QQ.

Mobility is the most important thing in WvW. If you dont want to play into that its on you. Want longer swiftness from focus? Boon duration. Want more and better blinks? manipulation traits. So you’ll have to sacrifice your precious sword cooldown trait etc. That’s your choice (power vs mobility). I build for speed because a trait/rune setup that cant chase has already lost. Play to win people.

Pro tip: All enemies become swiftness sources with arcane thievery, and its like a cripple for them when trying to escape too.

Do you EVER actually read what people right before you spew your complete and utter stupidity?

I do. For example, I started on your first sentence and quickly saw your use of ‘right’ instead of ‘write’.

The fact remains. Mesmers are great hands down. If you haven’t built mobility into your build at the cost of some of mesmers extreme killing power, it’s on you.

To the title- The third option: they disagree.

Aberrant.6749:

Nikkinella.8254:

Aberrant.6749:

Nikkinella.8254:

If you can’t kill an ele as bad as the class is right now, just quit the game. You must be a really horrible player. Any other class could kill them in a couple hits. Stand in the meteors that hit for a pathetic 2k damage and shoot down at them and kill them in a couple hits, problem solved. Hell, I can literally 1 shot them with my warrior regardless of how tanky they THINK they are, and I am not the least bit glassy (have over 3k armor). The class is a joke and a free lootbag in wvw. I LOVE when they come too close to a tower and try to drop meteors on me. They’re assuring their own death.

>Get downed on my ele
>Doesn’t care
>Vapor forms back to the zerg

If the person tries to stomp a 2nd time enjoy that quick death. I’ll probably be up again from everyone reviving me before you even get there. Certainly before you’re able to get a stomp off or be able to dps my ele down.

You do realize that vapor form and mist form were stealth nerfed recently right? Anyone with half a brain will take advantage of that now and immobilize you before you can float away and you WILL die. Immobilize will work on mist form and vapor form now. I guess you’re fortunate that 95% of zerglings never carry any immobilize skills and have nothing but damage skills on their utility slots. Can’t tell you how many times an ele has tried that with me and I nailed him with pindown and watched him float in place and then drop again when mistform/vaporform expires, then I drop a combustive shot right on his body. and good luck to anyone trying to res him while my fire ticks away on him at over 1k per tick.

The immobilization won’t last long enough to fully prevent it. It does limit the distance a bit though. 1k per tick is nothing compared to how much multiple people can res for. Any damage you do to the ressers is easily healed. You’re not going to stop any half decent group from reviving the ele before death by doing this.

In pro play, limiting the distance “a bit” is not acceptable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ZwX3GToHk&feature=youtu.be

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

colesy.8490:

I’m not sure it’s going to be easy going back to mesmer after playing warrior. Three spammable leaps + bull’s rush and perma swiftness from warhorn + signet is just … amazing.

Same with my Engi, so much Swiftness and Rocket Boots is GREAT – 10 seconds less cool down than Blink, quicker and easier to use as well as having a blast finisher. I find it SO easy to escape should everything turn bad.

Can rocket boots blink up ledges and to platforms? If not why would we want to even dream of an inferior alternative?

Poor Mesmer doesnt want to sacrifice some killing power for mobility. Queue QQ.

Mobility is the most important thing in WvW. If you dont want to play into that its on you. Want longer swiftness from focus? Boon duration. Want more and better blinks? manipulation traits. So you’ll have to sacrifice your precious sword cooldown trait etc. That’s your choice (power vs mobility). I build for speed because a trait/rune setup that cant chase has already lost. Play to win people.

Pro tip: All enemies become swiftness sources with arcane thievery, and its like a cripple for them when trying to escape too.

No it should not have more conditions, or shouldn’t have more damaging conditions anyway. The more conditions it has the less reliable applying the initial conditions becomes. As it is it allows for some damage from bleeds, but also has the CC component, then the vulnerability.

As for vulnerability, it stacks high and fast with the right build and enough skill. Coupled with the right build it amounts to your opponent being destroyed.

I can only guess that the QQ is a result of vulnerability proccing in your full condition builds. If that’s the case then that’s YOUR liability. Don’t ruin the game for everybody else because you build poorly.

Jackums.3496:

Mogar.9216:

Assyrian.4827:

Play a Necro. put all condition on Mesmer use fear don’t give time to get clones the Mesmer will melt in seconds .

Keep distance from necro and send out 2 phantasms from 1200 and watch him die as he chases you. Same thing works on condi engis.

This will never work against a good Necro. In a 1v1 where both players are of equal skill, the Necro will win majority of the time, even against a phantasm spec, assuming most Mesmers run one or no cleansing utilities.

Dark Path = 9 seconds of chill
Chillblains = 7 seconds of chill
Grasping Dead = 9 seconds of cripple
Signet of Spite = 17 seconds of cripple

This is only with Rare Veggie Pizza and no condi duration runes or gear, which would increase those numbers further. If the Necro lands even one of those, you’re going to get melted. Signet of Spite in particular is going to shut an enemy Mesmer down extremely fast, which is why I always use it against them on my Necro, and do everything I can to avoid it on my Mesmer (which is also a phantasm build).

The kiting tactic is good in theory, but if you get a Necro that knows what they’re doing, and are familiar with the Mesmer, you’re more often than not going to lose.

And yet you have very experienced mesmers on this forum who’ll testify to being able to beat any necro regardless of the build/skill.

Funny that.

Depends on the build, and level of skill.

I suggest bringing friends for maximum gankage.

I see all these new build names cropping up on the mesmer forum, and when I open the build and see perplexity runes I realize what each of the titles should have read was [Perplexity Build].

Once these runes are fixed/tweaked/changed/altered, all the Perplexity condition builds will become far to weak/obsolete/need adjusting. Which may include dropping the runes altogether.

You must really hate necros then.

Dee Jay.2460:

style.6173:

It’s not that big of a deal. 20% or 40%. If someone wants 100% duration, they can get it. Nothing to see here.

Yeah but they’d need to sacrifice something else to achieve it.

My beef here isn’t with Conditions per se or with their mechanics. There are other threads for that.

My beef is that we have a buff-food here that increases the efficiency of Conditions by 40% whereas all others foods only do so in a 10-20% range.

Right, but your power crit build can benefit from zerker stats plus crit based runes (or whatever), but there’s no blanket +condition duration gear stats, and (only recently) you need three different rune sets to get +30% condition duration. The problem isnt that there’s +condition duration food, but that there’s not enough sources of other +condition duration. Giver’s weapons are a GOOD thing in this regard.

CD duration is also capped at 100%, while +crit is not.

Vincent Von Demetri.1450:

In typical ANET fashion, a big middle finger to everyone who spread out to balance servers. Yes, lets NOW admit we were wrong and that our original idea was miserable after telling everyone repeatedly that it ABSOLUTELY would not change. Thanks ANET.

If you have an issue just contact customer support with your complaint and seek a resolution.

My Mesmer build.

dandamanno.4136:

I think it really depends on the builds/professions you are up against. The truth of the matter is this build allows the Mesmer to survive in an environment that has become so heavily laden with conditions/stuns that without the stealth they become sitting ducks.

No one is fooled by clones anymore when they can see the real Mesmer dodging /strafing / casting/ backwards walking, so shatter Mesmers, while not a weak build, is just not as great as it was a year ago.

If you run the math I believe the Mesmer can (with traits + torch) stealth about once every 10-15 seconds averaged out. Of course it can be chained together but then they will have longer periods of no stealth.

Not sure what you mean by “stealth through reveal” as I have never seen that happen to me or anyone else.

Builds that I have trouble with while running a PU/condition build are:
1. Necros
2. Engineers
3. Anything with strong condition application, since mesmers have only active condition removal abilities that require traits/utility slots, nothing passive.
4. Anything that has decent AoE
5. Unkillable healing warriors, usually a stalemate.

Also for WvW (should be clear that is what I am talking about in this post) the mobility is terrible, and if you get caught by a larger group you will not escape unless you have multiple stealth skills off cooldown, since Mesmers have, with the exception of blink, no gap increasers.

That’s my take on it anyways. A strong build, but unkillable? My history (for what it’s worth) would say otherwise.

Those issues only arise under certain builds (such as PU builds Blackwater inclined). If you tweak traits, utilities, and gear you can easily overcome those class troubles, and make mobility issues disappear.

Blackwater smackwater. The way people go on about it while crafting you’d think he created PU. Don’t worry about it, Blackwater was hardly the first of its kind in play. Really just the first advertised.

That said, whenever I see a build using Perplexity runes I no longer see a “build”. Really it’s just perplexity runes with whatever other kitten you want to throw in it. Why? Because perplexity runes are the build in themselves.

Your build, like Blackwater, has all the same shortcomings, i.e. swiftness, maneuverability, that cc and burst. Only yours, not having cleansing conflageration, has less condition removal (null field doesn’t make up for it). Taking 25 in dueling is awesome though, but only right up until you need that extra cooldown and condition removal from domination.

Simple,

Best
Harassment
Class
Ever

One class to take down all their backline.

Tier 1 Sor/BG/JQ has its competitive weeks (with different emphasis for each server). Sometimes though one or more servers aren’t into it, and that’s ok.

No matter what, Friday, or Fursday Fun night, is SoR’s karaoke karma train, and the community is stronger for it. Much drinking and singing is involved.

We always hold our garrison though as a point of pride, and it also retains the games competitive edge. Interesting that all you need is the one garrison to do that.

Cynz.9437:

condi removes don’t help much because tha crap can be reapplied instantly

Not to mention your removes can be interrupted…

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I suggest reading the help file to select options suited to your computers processing power for smoother recording.

I set FPS limit to 30
Video half-size

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Easy.

colesy.8490:

jeeeeeeeeeeesus christ that was the most inane argument I have seen in weeks

to put it to rest, yes untraited duelist can proc combo fields.

Like this guy said, The Predator movie now has 20% less fat.

Menaka.5092:

Pulling people Into the void.

Such as when you get bored fighting a full stealth spam thief, lead them to a cliff, and just toss them over to their death.

Offhand torch and nothing else.

Nuka Cola.8520:

If you’re not playing human female as a mesmer you’re doing it wrong.

Especially if you’re a pedophile since all humans in GW2 look like children.

Especially next to Norn.

There can’t be more than one?