It’s like if the warrior hammer skill Backbreaker didn’t have a telegraph. It’d be ridiculous.
heres a better example: just like how Pin down didnt have telegraphed animation and was RNG dodge, and make you take all the CC from hammer.
and no, don’t check my lb please, this aint no my main.
All invulnerability classified skills do not capture points. An invluln is taking no physical or condition damage with one ability. Name one that captures a point.
inb4 endure pain and zerker stance!
they pop both are once then that is a good thing for the enemy.
Yes, I commonly rejoice when my target becomes completely immune to all types of damage.
you should, because he just wasted all his CD for nothing, and will die so easily facing any burst or focus fire, a warrior who manages use CDs and use each stances accordingly to situations last longer.
For nothing, you say?
What if he bought himself enough time for a roamer to get to the point? Or bought enough time for skills he needed to come off CD? Or stopped the point from flipping long enough to win the game? Or forced multiple players to wait out the invulnerability because he was tanky enough to take 2 players to down in a reasonable timeframe? Or waited out a buff/timed skill on another player? I could keep going if I couldn’t provide enough scenarios just off the top of my head.
You are aware this post in the SPvP forums, correct? We are talking about capture point scenarios. To just assume that being completely invulnerable for any period of time while still contesting points is worthless, and is in fact some sort of detriment to a player (“All that time he spent invincible was a bad thing!” lawl) is ludicrous.
This isn’t a game you win by killing other players alone. That is just a portion of it. Being invincible to any primary source of damage (Direct damage OR Conditions) and holding down a point is a silly, and should be fixed.
apparently, you didn’t read my last sentence.
Lol, this is funny because people actually take Liewec.2896 seriously.
howso? because i posted a 21k 100b in the thread where you’re asking for it to become 2 second cast?
ok lets be serious, i cherrypicked that 21k, but it only took me several tries to get it, my average 100b is around 16k on players.
as a zerker GS war even i can’t agree with reducing the channel to 2 seconds,
we melt faces good enough already.
Because, let’s be serious, this is PvP. no offense, but if you really think that build would work on any tpvp level other then no-clue-what-they-are-doing noobs, i have nothing to say. i would happily send you a list via mail, breaking down how useless the build is against anyone who know what they are doing, if you wish to.
Warriors don’t have to have the best of everything all the time. #FirstTierClassProblems
That’s what happens when you are Anet’s favorite boy from day 1…
I seriously only started this thread cuz i felt like it, i said to myself i would careless about everyone’s argument
But sometimes, i just can’t ignore ignorance, i blame myself for it.
Warrior, was the weakest free kill tier for more then half a year pvp wise, in 10 tpvp matches, you will barely see one warriorand PvE wise, if you think warrior is the best class, you should seriously L2P.
i blame myself again, because there will always be ignorant people like you, i seriously should stop this act of curing and let your ignorance spray and think your “made up” history was right? (because this game only started when you started playing, right?)
Did he seriously just said “act of curing” ?!
Hall o’ fame!
PS: I will not even bother replying, keep on nerd raging, it makes you look so mature!
“act of curing” … ahahahahaa
yea man, go on. This, guys, is exactly how a dumb person act, when he sees how fail and illogical his arguments were. he will not argue back on the subject, but he will, instead, try to laugh at your less important writings so he can make himself feel better, this seriously entertains me.
and no, i will not take you seriously anymore, after that kind of replies. good luck and i’ll not reply to you ever again.
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All invulnerability classified skills do not capture points. An invluln is taking no physical or condition damage with one ability. Name one that captures a point.
inb4 endure pain and zerker stance!
Both are not invulns. You are vulnerable to condition damage while in endure pain and physical damage with zerker stance. They’re two different abilities, obviously. If they pop both are once then that is a good thing for the enemy.
and you can still be CC’ed even if you pop two at onces, even you pop your balanced stance alone with all the other twos stances, which means all your utility skills, you can still get your stability stripped and get CC’ed.
tldr:
true Invulerability skill>block>> endure pain+berserker stance+balanced stance
All invulnerability classified skills do not capture points. An invluln is taking no physical or condition damage with one ability. Name one that captures a point.
inb4 endure pain and zerker stance!
they pop both are once then that is a good thing for the enemy.
Yes, I commonly rejoice when my target becomes completely immune to all types of damage.
you should, because he just wasted all his CD for nothing, and will die so easily facing any burst or focus fire, a warrior who manages use CDs and use each stances accordingly to situations last longer.
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sure, if you nerfed mobility, give teleportation please. it’s so much better for landing skills and disengage
~ Its still a sync problem. I am almost a 100% sure of it.
Why else would almost every other leap or rush skill suffer from similar issues of just not connecting to the target.On top of that, have you guys not noticed that often when you try to hit some guy that is already downed you dont even hit him because he actually lies 10 feet away?
Or that dolyak whose corpse suddenly jumps a full screenlength further down the road after killing it ?Has nothing to do with the skills themselves.
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Oh, couple that with all the performance and lagg frustration that is going on atm.. yup.
On top of that, Anet might not be the fastest with content and other awesome stuff, but bug fixes usually go by quite fast like with that thief bug that just happened after the update.
Of course they wont notice any issues with rush etc on their testing servers because those most likely dont suffer from sync problems.Guardian leap on gs almost always hits..
Why?
Because its ofc a leap but somehow this skill has a really small aoe hit box on the last animation.. So even if target is somewhat behind you it still hits
Rush need that also.
so you want rush to cleave
lol, radius =/= cleave, have you ever try to heartseek someone? that thing got some huge radius. you can heart seek way over left and still do damage to your target and its single target skill
There is a counter to everything. Just because it isn’t seen doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
except that counter is not available for all classes and all builds
and some builds are complete bs no brainer like PU or shadow rejuv or other AI builds and stuff. i play them, they are pure aids for pvp environment and should not exist.
they can win almost every 1v1 doesnt matter of your skills, but they are actually useless in organised tpvp too, so pretty much the bad toy made for bad players to make themselves feel better.
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Chap might reply to this. I play a warrior (PVT Shout Heal) and to be honest and quite happy with the changes. He knows more than I about balance however so i will bring it up with him tomorrow morning.
ChrisSo did anything come of this discussion?
See, Chris… PVT Shout build is probably near the top of LEAST impacted Warrior builds, as a result of this adrenaline nerf.
Running around spamming Shouts and swinging a hammer, as you hurl yourself into Zergs, is still fine after this adrenal change. And as a PVT shout heal warrior, I’d tend to suspect you’re zerging it up quite a bit in WvW, because… well honestly, that’s all they’re really good at. PvP it’s a fairly meh build, Guards/Eles/Engies bunker better.
You’ll never “miss” with your earthshakers in a crowd of 15 people. And Soldier runes wipe condi’s fast as anything. You can even trait to gain almost a bar of adrenaline per shout.
So, try a roaming build or competitive PvP build.
See how the adrenaline loss-on-miss feels versus an experienced player who can reliably avoid your bursts 75% of the time.
See how that 75% miss ruins your condi-clearing from Cleansing Ire, leaving you up to your ears in condis. You’ll quickly understand why warriors feel LOCKED into Longbows combustive shot.
Hey what’s up man.
Before this change, it was the case that the Warrior Dogged/Cleansing specs were able to pretty much just spam their burst skills and remove condies. We had a lot of players (on forums and in person, talking to them at Gamescom) talking about how they wanted to have more play/skill to this, and they also wanted (if they were players who played AGAINST this type of Warrior) to have more counter-play.
This change means that Warriors need to be thinking ahead to their condition cleanse, as they will no longer be able to get them without risk. It also means that missing a burst skill can hurt the Warrior more than it did before, so even if you’re not running Cleansing, an opponent making you miss your burst skill can be a really big, really impactful moment in a fight.
This change means that some Warrior specs will need to shift/adjust, and you’ll need to do more “setting up” of your burst skill (to give it a higher chance to land) if you’re relying on Cleansing for condie clears.
But, this change does not promote build diversity(stronger build still strong, weaker builds got even weaker) and does not actually help warrior in any way other then handicap them even more for nothing (warrior does not have high skill ceiling, bringing up their skill floor does not make sense)
Before the patch, most of the burst skills are already easily avoidable, which means we already have difficult time landing our burst skills (earth shaker, evis, arcing, killshot, etc are all easily avoidable),
that’s why we WERE and still ARE forced to use longbow.
What happened if we missed our burst skill (other then longbow)?
we do not proc cleansing ire = less condition removal and less damage and skill goes on full cd
we already need to set up our bursts in order to do stuff. no offense, but those people who said warrior are spamming bursts and no punishments and keep cleansing conditions, are either noobs who can not dodge, or they meant longbow and hammer (huge aoe makes them spammable to proc cleansing ire, changing adrenaline is not the solution.), but again, longbow f1 is still spammable post patch, it only makes other burst skills even worse.(like the guy who complaint about killshot got even more useless because of this patch)
There are also adrenaline related traits and skills like healing sure and signet of fury that are affected by this change.
Also the new greatsword rush, it just never hits, ever.
personally, i really love the greatsword, i think it has potential to be tpvp viable, i would suggest giving it a boon removal ability, reduce the cast time of hundred blade and the f1 buff is nearly not enough imo.
And for axe 5, i personally believe that, no matter how much damage you give it, it will be useless, unless it’s insta kill like damage. it needs utility, like reflect.
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Even if engi was OP, they still require more skill to play than all of the current and previous OP builds, so i am perfectly ok with this.
Engi doesnt require any skill, what you talking about, it only has high skill ceiling.
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I said this once, and I’ll say it again
Rangers were never meant to have nice things
Maybe our time has come,finally!
This is what warrior said when they got hambow for the 1st time.
Seriously, it just never hits now.
wth, i rarely complained about rush before, because it still hits from time to time, but now it just never kitten hit. you always just run through the target and hit the air like hell.
Also heres a thing, give the skill boon removal.
Ofc, After you fix the kitten hit rate.
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This is what they did for chinese gw2 and they had so many bad feedbacks from former NA EU gw2 chinese players, i thought only the chinese gw2 company wouldn’t care about player feedback, but it apparently, anet doesnt care either.
warrior cant really lock down, cuz when enemy has stability, he becomes useless.
If you want real lockdowns, the ones who can remove boons such as lockdown mesmer, fear necro are better choices
unless your friend himself can remove boon too.
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I’m really surprised this thread isn’t getting more discussion.
Cuz there’s nothing else to discuss about other then how anet failed to balance stuff which will result in deletion.
celestial d/d ele : should be nerfed
celestial staff ele : should be nerfed
condi engi : should be nerfed
condi warrior : no skill, but useless in actual tpvp
hambow warrior : should be nerfed
condi necro : should be nerfed
s/d thief : ok
meditation guardian : not so good against ranger, and useless in actual tpvp
shatter mesmer : not so good against ranger, ok
(spirit ranger
beastmaster ranger)
and mass invis is almost a 2 second cast time.. do you know how easy a 2 second cast time is to interupt compared to someone triggering an evade/block whatever on an instant cast.
if you mess up an instant cast ability on someones evade/aegis/miss whatever.. that means you messed up. if your enemy couldnt interupt a mass invis that means they messed up.
What if F4?~~~
Why are Heightened Focus and Berserker’s Power still grand master traits after the adrenaline changes?
50 100 150 please
Warriors don’t have to have the best of everything all the time. #FirstTierClassProblems
That’s what happens when you are Anet’s favorite boy from day 1…
I seriously only started this thread cuz i felt like it, i said to myself i would careless about everyone’s argument
But sometimes, i just can’t ignore ignorance, i blame myself for it.
Warrior, was the weakest free kill tier for more then half a year pvp wise, in 10 tpvp matches, you will barely see one warrior
and PvE wise, if you think warrior is the best class, you should seriously L2P.
i blame myself again, because there will always be ignorant people like you, i seriously should stop this act of curing and let your ignorance spray and think your “made up” history was right? (because this game only started when you started playing, right?)
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Healing surge and signet of fury.
even more useless now~
warr has just been spoilt with 100% adr all the time without needing to spend a single utility or trait slot. now you need to devote some part of your build to adr generation.
this is still a far better position than e.g. Eles, who need to devote 4 trait points to both water and arcane plus 1-3 utility slots just to make use of their class mechanic and survive.
Such clueless much wow, Since when warrior actually became viable, warrior has been forced to use adrenaline focused traits if you are skilled and play against skilled people.
You should start actually playing other classes’ zerker builds(except rangers), then you go back to your thief, and you will find it so much easiser so much more toleratable and you will be owning people.
Because thief was the easy cheesy zerker class, now ranger zerker is easier?
They just made all adrenaline filling skills such as healing surge and signet of fury so much more useless ( they were already useless)
because you can’t charge adrenaline pre fight. you have to touch the enemy 1st or else you lose them adrenaline, what a shame.
Every kitten time bro, every kitten time, you run pass through the enemy and hit the air.
Lol, this is funny because people actually take Liewec.2896 seriously.
As for Terrahero, oh man, i wish my hundred blade can actually hit the target like a charm by simply taking two traits~
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Thief is actually easiest zerker, if you know how to play a zerker.
you can start playing gs zerker war or zerker engi, or zerker mesmer.
after a while, go back to your thief, you will find it so easy.
Please, i would like to see you wielding that GS on high level tournaments, please.
or at the least, play against some skilled players.
Not sure I understand the personal attack, but you even made this comment after TCG just won the weekly ESL cup with ROM playing GS warrior. I guess you should tell ROM he doesn’t know how to play warrior, maybe?
ROM played GS warrior, because its simply a random weekly cup.
You will never see him play GS warrior in ToL finals or semi finals.
And your argument is so bad it’s just dumb, the best player making the worst weapon set work, i don’t see how it makes your point stands.
helthe won 1st ToL playing a mesmer, while everyone including his TCG teamates said that mesmers were so freaking weak at that time, they only pick mesmer because it’s helthe playing it.
TBH regarding how clueless you are, you should probably stop talking stuff and actually ask ROM yourself about greatsword or even actually trying it, it’s way better then throwing BS all over the place.
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ostrich is soloq god.
I’m not having this prob at all…
“…because only people who like intentional handicaps run a GS on warrior.”
Well said, well said.
Tell me what warrior is the best at?
PvP wise?
Bunker?
Burst?
Mobility?
None of thoseactually, i don’t care, i never compared hundred blade to rapid fire, if i did, i would start be asking for 1500 range hundred blade.
Just give me the cast time reducAnet, kitten~ i love you~~ please.
They may not be the best at those things. The problem is that they are really good at all of them in a way that no other profession is.
The problem is that you made this thread. You made a question like demand. Yet you offered absolutely no reasoning as to why the skill deserves it in any way. If you want anyone to take you seriously, especially as the creator of the thread, you should have been prepared to offer a reasonable explanation for your request. You did not do so.
So do you have a good and reasonable justification for your request? If so, we would love to hear it. I mean, you already have the thread here now. Convince us.
No reasoning, because the reasoning is too obvious that only someone who never played a gs warrior would not know,
k thanks bye <3
Ow warriors have heavy armor? so rangers dont have protection right? because a ranger with protection is still more reduction compared to a warrior..
Ow so youre telling me that a profession is more then just individual pieces?
Gee, who knew…
Just because Warriors dont have the best of something doesnt mean they need to be buffed.
Tell me what warrior is the best at?
PvP wise?
Bunker?
Burst?
Mobility?
None of those
actually, i don’t care, i never compared hundred blade to rapid fire, if i did, i would start be asking for 1500 range hundred blade.
Just give me the cast time reduc
Anet, kitten~ i love you~~ please.
axe is better dps then gs.
they had one, but devs lost 2-1 , but devs got a warrior.
when warriors were so weak and were free kills.
it was funny to watch the warrior dev does nothing, but still getting downed over and over again.
ele=engi>thief>mesmer
ele=eng>war=ranger=guard
necro>engi
Off hand sword and hambow and axe is still strong, while all other weakers builds got even weaker.
that’s how they balance stuff.
huh?
Anet? ~~~
net?
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t?
i’m waiting for it.
since anet hate gs/lb war so much they can’t even buff it properly and countless nerfs to a no op spec.
i officially announce that ranger is the new gs/lb war, i’m having so much fun
words
The Critical Flaw in your Thesis is that Warriors already have Sustain.
It is called “Heavy Armor + High HP”, oh and condition clear out the ying-yang.
Before you pull the usual Stunt of “HP/Armor doesn’t matter!” go play a Thief or Elementalist or… any other class really. Armor and HP does matter and it matters a lot.
HP/Armor doesn’t matter and i play thief and elementalist, just in case, i also play mesmer, necro, engi and ranger, but what i played the most is warrior, thief, ele, engi.
i guess you probably have no idea how can ele (lowest hp and lowest armor) and engi have so much sustain, you never will.
“THAT MEANS THAT A WARRIOR CAN JUST KEEP PICKING UP THEIR BANNER OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND GET FREE CLEANSING”
you mean like self-rooting over and over again to take all the incoming damage?
Actually in terms on zerging (which is what the OP seems to be on about), Killshot+Volley together are quite a bit better than the Rangers LB.
The only reason Rifle Warriors are relatively uncommon is because Warriors have better things to do in a zerg, which Rangers dont.
kill shot better or equal to rapid rie . . . come one man . . . seriously.
atse is perfectly right . . 1 aegis, 1 pet in the middle, 1 terrain issue and it’s done . . . rapid fire is waaaay better.
And don’t let me start with the cast time . . .
Volley…
Same cast time…
Same cooldown…
Better class…
Yet, rifle war is single handly one of the worst weapon set,
Do rifle has ranged push back? stealth? AoE? Nop…and Kill shot is even the dumbest skill ever invented.
also rifle is 1200 range max, rapid is 1500,
oh and rapid also has 10 stack of invulnerablity, while rifle? yup you guess, it needs another skill other then volley to apply them and only 8 stacks.
so basically if you really want to compare them, Rapid fire alone = 2 skills combined of rifle, let’s just not mention how rifle was already the dumbest weapon which is only used cuz yolo fun.
personally i would careless about ranger buff, but seeing you comparing your longbow to rifle, it just angers me so much, how clueless you are. how dear you compare some thing to the worst weapon in the game and think it’s better.
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Melee burst ( warr/thief) needs a buff to compete with rapid fire.
lol at this. Never thought I’d see the day.
Ranger finally gets viable burst and everyone loses their mind. To the point of claiming warriors and thieves need their burst improved.
If ranger got their burst on greatsword, No one would be complaining, at all.
You are aware that you get the bonus damage even on a level 1 arcing slice. All that changes with adrenaline levels is the amount of fury you get.
Also, it seems the skill is bugged atm, and procs cleansing ire for every player you hit with the skill.
Don’t be so quick to whine when the skill is amazing now as-is.
Please, i would like to see you wielding that GS on high level tournaments, please.
or at the least, play against some skilled players.
Hambow is still fine IMO…..
Ofc hambow it’s fine, every time they tried to nerf warrior as a whole, they never forget to compensate hambow, not like other builds werent weak enough compared to it or anything.
this is just so dumb, dumb as hell, You should nerf hambow and buff everything else,
not god kitten erf all while preventing the nerf to damage hambow.
what, pre patch gs lb build was 4 0 4 0 6
that was the best pre patch. skillful one too.
Anet failed miserably yet again, trying to buff greatsword but no in the end, greatsword is still a piece of kitten
and just like every other patch, nerf the warrior as a whole, while buffing hambow. that sigil of impact. not like other warrior builds werent bad enough compare to hambow or anything right?
GG. also warrior has no choice to use adrenaline focused trait now, not like we weren’t already forced to use them pre patch.
thats how they bring build diversity to the table, great job, i’ll stuck to log on every two weeks for living story, this pvp is just weak.
i assume they just change stuff and see how it goes then will buff later, but then, it will be another kitten 5 month for another feature patch. GG anet, GG.
now the pew pew pew is stronger then ever! not like it wasnt annoying enough before~
not sure how a ranged zerker can how dps a melee.
I’m not against ranger buffing at all, in fact i don’t care
all i find funny is that they dear to buff ranger damage that much but still wants to tweak little by little warrior’s greatsword. how they shaved the buff by 50% and added a overall damage nerfed was beyond me.
not like the weapon was any good in pvp anyway.
is that just a graphic bug, or you were really invisible