FrankGrimeyAlso, in response to the support comment, that’s BS. 1) support helps keep group alive and hitting harder/faster.
MeI’m sick of people playing badly, and I’m sick of them not wanting to improve
This is exactly why I hate teaching PUGs. You support just as well in zerker, and AH builds are trash.
The valor tree dont’ actually support your group. But I’m say most of the AH guardian spec in honor tree anyway.
I’m actually pretty bad for specing in AH myself. But at least I wear full zerker so hopefully that isn’t too bad.
Most, based on their experience seem to have the opinion that running with noobs and trying to explain to them is some god-awful experience. I guess I hold the opinion I do because it’s mostly been the complete opposite with me. After the first encounter or two in a dungeon, I can usually tell who is new. I’ll then ask in the party if anyone is. When they raise their hand, I proceed to explain and in most situations like this, the group goes fine. It’s not fast like when I run in all zerk groups, but it’s still done in a reasonable amount of time. They may be accepting of me guiding them cause I don’t have a condescending tone and don’t belittle anyone, but I guess that’s just me.
Forgive me (all of you who oppose my opinion) for asking people to try and do the same. I’m (and many others new to some content) not looking for a handout. I’m looking for help. I pull my weight. It’s easier done with some experienced mixed in who are willing to teach then trying to learn from scratch with an all inexperienced group and again, it works out better for everyone because it increases the base of players who know what to do.
It seems people find it absurd when helpfulness is asked of them.
And let me bluntly ask you how often you run dungeon. It’s easy for someone who don’t run dungeon often to say that. But for people who run the same dungeon everyday it is much harder.
If you ran a dungeon a few hundred times, and you still do that instead of making post which say “LFM experience only”, you are a better man than alot of us.
And if you are, all I can say is you are one good man. I ran AC twice this week just to help low level. But I surely won’t do it everyday.
If you really want to do arah P1. I’ll do it with you. I’m pretty bad myself, only did it a few times, but at least I won’t quit. So set up a time and I’ll join.
And there are other people who say they willing to join you in this post, or have post about helping new people out for the dungeon.
generalizations everywhere…
Yes I generalized people. Because you can basically see a bunch of newbie calling out name for other veteran that don’t want to group with them. When they are pretty much the same people.
People are people weather they play video game 10 hours a day or 10 hours a week.
^ I dont’ think you realized you guys quit after a few wipe.
Most of the elitist talk can be translated to I’m a new and want veteran to carry me. Eventhough it is perfectly easy to find a group. And I want easy run myself, so veterans should party with me. But when they don’t, I need to say they are selfish and they want easy run.
If you want my advice. Just make a group called “P1”. You actually do meet veterans who will join. Not everytime, but it do happen.
And I realize your party quit on you. But nothing stop you from keep going. You could have just make a new listing called P1 half way cleared.
If you want to know. It take me a few hours to clear P1 for my dungeon master too.
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good lord. use a skill point. Get gossamer scrap for less than 5 silver.
Even if silk scrap price raise to 25 copper, you can still get gossamer for 5 silver. Do people not know what promotion is? And use promotion on bolt of silk. I’m quite speechless.
It is still a gamble to promote silk to gossamer. I wrote a little script to check for item promotion and this is the output for silk to gossamer promotion right now:
Promoting 250 Silk Scrap into some Gossamer Scrap
Cost of promotion: 9770 Number of promoted items to be generated for promotion t
o be worth it: 17.140350877192983You need to get at least 18 gossamer scrap for it to be worth it and that is not counting the worth of any skill points used in the process. Meaning it is possibly profitable but still a gamble.
I probably said a million times. You don’t promote silk scrap. You promote bolt of silk.
That being said. It doesn’t matter. People don’t think anyway.
I’m on NA. Play guardian. personal level22. Looking for a progression group. Or just people to dungeon with everyday.
It’s all the I play what I want thread. But I don’t give a rat about other people.
And other people should care about me when I clearly don’t care about them.
Mob skipping is kind of like guild rush. Where you try to get from point A to point B without dieing.
You have to use ability like stability, invulnerability, and mobility skill.
People apparently think killing mob is the only game mechanic dungeon should have. The OP says himself his group wipe 4 times while trying to skip.
That clearly shows to itself skipping is actually a game to play which have a chance of failling.
Take less than 5 min to form a “LFM AC anyone welcome” group.
If your a lowbie that dont’ want to group with lowbie yourself. No 80 will take you.
It’s the differnece between premade and random pug.
The only time our server complete tequelt is when everyone quit so 1 of the major guild can have the whole instance all by themself. Even the developer can’t lead a team of random inexperienced people to kill tequelt as shown in twitch.
Fotm 48 is harder than fotm 10. But friend told me their 48 group can complete it faster than a fotm 10 pug.
Also people get better when they do more dungeon. FOTM was terrible for me. I stopped doing it a long time ago because pug just is bad. I dont’ felt like playing with random pug which just wipe over and over everyday so I quit.
But when I start doing it now. I found everyone is experienced now. Infact I’m usually the one getting carried now.
Same with tequelt, I’m sure all the BG people are experienced enough they don’t really need to have organized group to kill tequelt now.
TA was hard the fist time. I spend 3 hours doing it. I’m sure in a few month people will be experienced enough to do it easily in pug. If you have some pro player they can pretty much carry you and even solo the last boss.
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^ The spider queen is designed to cast aoe “only” if you are in range. Just like the effigy which only cast his range attack when people are in range.
It dont’ have anything to do with stacking. You can just have everyone hitting in melee and the boss wont’ cast aoe. You dont’ have to hide in a corner.
Should the boss cast aoe on melee player too? Probably to make the fight more interesting.
There obviously is an exploit for the final boss of path 1 where people can use the stair. But I havn’t find much people doing it. Because it is way slower. And most people just do it the normal way. Usually if the group is bad, that is when you think about using stair.
My reasoning: Pugs can’t take a fight with a difficulty rating higher than “Very Easy”
Let me say this one last time which I already said a million time.
I play on NA server and I have “0” problem forming a non80 AC group at any time of the day.
Why do you insult people who want to do speed run. When you can form a low level group yourself.
Maybe because you want very easy run yourself?
People tell other people not to discriminate when people disciminate themself. That is the problem.
Am I the only thinking if you are a low level, you should group with a low level?
There are exactly “0” people who think that way. Everyone think they should group with lvl80 when they are lvl35.
Am I the only one thinking if you are new to dungeon. You should find other new people to group with? So other veterans won’t have to waste time carrying me?
After I read all the post on the forum. I give up on that idea. I’ll try to get in high level group myself and hope I don’t get kick.
BTW I have no prolbem making a non lvl80 AC group, so I’m not sure what’s the fuzz about.
What’s so special about killing a boss slowly which can be easily soloable.
Not to mention, it is faster if you have an inexperienced player like the OP who hardly ever did AC before and non after the revision.
The real problem is people who did the dungeon hundred of times need to group with you who hardly ever done any dungeon before.
edit: my newbie talk is probably a bit harsh. What I really want to say is there are other people playing the game too. You can play whatever way you want. But it is not other people’s job to play the way you want.
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I actually bought a bunch. I just expect people to know what promotion is so I didn’t buy more than what I should have.
But the lower tier cloth is so obvious I should have bought more. It is pretty much guaranteed to go up. You can’t use that for mystic forge.
I’m not sure what DR is left in the game. It is mostly time gated 1 time daily event.
and they actually removed DR. you see the farmer train in frostgauge.
good lord. use a skill point. Get gossamer scrap for less than 5 silver.
Even if silk scrap price raise to 25 copper, you can still get gossamer for 5 silver. Do people not know what promotion is? And use promotion on bolt of silk. I’m quite speechless.
At current prices it costs 1.2G to promote silk into gossamer. 1.2G can create 6-40 gossamer scraps. At best this will get you 1 gossamer scrap for 3 silver and at worst, 20 silver.
It’s still a gamble and the rise in silk scrap shows that people are in fact promoting.
price amount total price Need to be profit 19.8705882353
bolt of sillk 38 250 9500 Need for use 16.89
piles of crytalline dust 1278 5 6390
bolt of gossamer 1000 1 1000
philosopher stone 0 5 0
SUM 16890
First of all you promote bolt of silk. Not silk scrap. Since that is more efficient.
If you want to profit. At the current bolt of silk price which is 38 copper you need to make around 20. But if you want it for personal use, you just need less than 17. If you tried promotion yourself. The average is actually more than 17. If you promote more than 10 times, you pretty much always get more than 17.
But why isn’t people doing it for profit? because you need to pay tax. and inherantly 1 skill point is worth 20 silver. Since there are a bunch of thing you can use your skill point to profit for 20 silver. And it really takes all day crafting a bunch of silk scrap to bolt.
That being said, it still dont’ make sense people’ll buy gossamer scrap for more than 5 silver when they can promote bolt of gossamer for 10 silver.
You really need to wait for “patch day” and hope people are clueless enough. But make sure to sell fast at patch day.
mithril ore price isn’t going up and you can use it to gamble precursor. So I doubt silk will stay up that much.
If only people don’t care about virtual gold as much as real life cash, I can be rich in real life.
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good lord. use a skill point. Get gossamer scrap for less than 5 silver.
Even if silk scrap price raise to 25 copper, you can still get gossamer for 5 silver. Do people not know what promotion is? And use promotion on bolt of silk. I’m quite speechless.
However, when there’s tonnes of particle effects flying around, it is punishing, since you can’t necessarily see the windup.
I totally agree. Anet should add in a particle filter. So I don’t need to watch 4 person in twilight wacking a boss the height of an asura that I can’t see anything.
The new dungeon isn’t too hard to be honest. The boss fight is quite comparable to those in astherblade retreat. I think my group took maybe 7-8 try on the 2 boss.
^ So do you think that video should be used to justify what the OP is saying?
The new twilight arbor is probably the best dungeon to date by Anet. What exactly does that dungeon being too hard have anything to do with being too punishing.
I fail to see how it is even punishing. 3 silver per death is too punishing? 20 second WP run is too punishing?
Not to mention if it is too hard, you don’t have to run it. There are easy dungeon out there.
Apparently people think a 3 hour dungeon which can be finished by pug in 1 try is too punishing.
In fact that video should justify that Anet did something right. Difficult content without being punishing.
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Not entirely sure what your post has to do with what I said, to be honest. Unless you’re talking about the show whining. Not to mention MMORPG isn’t the only gaming genre. However, as far as I know, he was consulted for CoD and Farmville for the narrative aspects.
If the topic isn’t about mmorpg maybe the post and video is irrelevant.
There really is nothing wrong with what Anet is doing. Tribuline mode is too hard… then why are you doing tribuline mode. Let the people enjoy it play it. You dont’ have to do it. Do infantile mode and move on.
The only problem with queen’s gauntlet is there is no infantile mode. Because apparently there are many people like liadri and tribuline mode. You can listen to a bunch of people complaining. At the same time many people are actually praising it.
ya I watched a bunch of video from that site.
It make total sense. Untill I realize if that guy is so good maybe he should be game desginer instead of some blog writer.
Except the guy who actually writes the show was a game designer. He’s now a consultant for game studios.
So which mmorpg game did he consult on. I’d like to complain how bad that mmorpg is.
People just like to whine and complain. If you make a post on mmorpg.com, majority will tell you how instant is bad and mmorpg should be more punishing by making you grind hours everytime you die like everquest.
And I actually remember the developer says something alone the line of making queen’s gauntlet more of a world on twitch(sandbox people thing) that is why it is instant.
And good lord, I actually like where my action have a consequence. If you dont’ know to dodge or move out of the way when a big hammer is smashing your face. You probably deserve to be 1 shoted.
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ya I watched a bunch of video from that site.
It make total sense. Untill I realize if that guy is so good maybe he should be game desginer instead of some blog writer.
It’s actaully open very often.
The problem is it is closed very fast. And it is usually open at the prime time only.
^ I doubt it very much. You can just promote your own gossamer for very cheap.
The main reason for bolt to be cheap is probably because people just don’t do any research.
The type of people that dont’ know about promotion probably won’t bother to check the refined price.
The truth is you can get gossamer scrap for 5 silver even if silk scrap is 25 copper. Just promote bolt of silk, all you need to do is use a skill point.
But that still don’t mean promotion is very profitable. Since you do need to spend a skill point, and buying and reselling does cost 15% TP cut. But it is definately much cheaper if you use it for personal use.
^ ya, still dont’ make sense. Why do people buy gossamer for 7 silver when they can promote silk to gossamer for 4 silver. People dont’ have enough skill point?
I think that’s the main reason why bolt of gossamer is much cheaper. Since it is more efficient to promote the bolt instead of scrap.
And if people are silly enough to buy gossamer scrap, they probably silly enough to check the price of gossamer bolt too.
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or you can refine oricalcum or leather instead.
Since you make money crafting oricalcum ore and leather. But you loss money crafting gossamer.
good lord. why do people buy scrap for 7s89 copper. When they can buy bolt of gossamer for 8 silver.
1 bolt of gossamer = 2 scrap…. Speechless
If you really like wvw, you will do wvw for the fun, not the reward.
Because you really don’t want a bunch of pve player who don’t like wvw goofing around in battle ground for the reward, while serious wvw player are trying to play their game.
I just manage to finish it. Thing to me is I probably never do it again, just like aetherblade retreat.
You spend a few hours learning the instance just to run with another pug tomorrow.
That’s why I really hate any hard dungeon. You really need to have a fix group else you’ll spend hours everyday running with people never done the dungeon before.
we are stuck on clockheart as well. anyone finished the dungeon? how many more bosses is there after?
how do you get pass it? we stand on the 4 panel. a hologrphic spawn but we don’t know what to do next? how do you unlock the controller?
Anyone tried it? http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1msqim/champion_farming_guides/
I was reading reddit and someone say the income is about the same. But they also give karma because it is an event?
If you can persuade people to champ farm in curse shore it might work. I’m not entirely sure but I think the champ there are events. I think the gold income is about the same, but I’m not sure if it give karma.
http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/cursed-shore-champion-farming-guide
I have a personal level of 19. did fractal 10. With 15% guild buff and 5% account buffI got 7776 karma.
(6400 + 8*9)*1.2 = 7776
Seemed right for me. I don’t know what’s wrong for you.
You really just need to do 2 fractal a day for a month and you have enough karma for a legendary.
So, what happened? You had three groups….those begging for temple clears to get that gear, those seeing the boxes as a reasonable way to save up obsidian shards, and those who were seeing boxes as an easy way to convert karma to silver. Someone at Anet must have eaten a bad hamburger and decided to punish everyone on account of the third group.
Actually they probably just want people to do event and fractal.
If you don’t notice every activity give very specific reward. If you want karma you have to do fractal. Obsidian shard from temple. Emph fragment from JP or dungeon. Wvw people kind of can get everything since they don’t pve anyway.
I doubt it have anything to do with converting karma to gold, consider how much money you can make from champ farm or dungeon run.
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you get exactly 2318 karma from doing queensdale map completion. You probably did get 60,000 karma but that surely isn’t from map completion.
renown level karma
12 165
15 188
11 158
8 135
9 142
7 128
2 90
3 98
4 105
5 112
6 120
10 150
13 172
14 180
9 142
8 135
3 98
2318
ps do fractal for karma. And persuading your frostgauge zerg to go cursed shore might work too. Or do wvw train.
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I don’t have enough resource to get many different gear set.
So I’m wondering what kind of gear should I invest for high level fractal. And what kind of build should I use for high level fractal.
I have this problem when I set grphic to lowest setting.
If I turn it to medium or high, the problem go away.
It doesn’t harm either casuals or experienced players to add in more filters. It helps both parties as I have explained multiple times and have yet to hear a single reason I’m wrong.
It does. All you want to do is exclude inexperienced player to run dungeon faster.
And just like you, there may be inexperienced player wanting to join veteran group.
Not to mention those inexperienced player think their time is valuable just like yours. So they don’t want to wait an extra bit of time waiting to form a party.
Not having any sort of gear progression or player segregation is probably the main cuase of the problem.
I hope they can at least fix AC by adding an easy mode. I know there is story mode, but having just 1 path is probably not enough to satisfy new player. And maybe fix the character switching at the end of dungeon so people actually run their low level toon.
I’m still waiting to hear why giving players tools to help them play with other like minded players is bad as well… since the only group that would be negatively impacted by adding in more filters would be the party crashers.
Because for the good of the community. Veteran should group up with noob to help them out. When those noob will never join a group which says “LFM low level group” themself.
And those noob are so grateful they wont’ bother finding the dungeon entrance first before they join the group. And they’ll quit midway just like those elitist if you wipe more than a few times.
Although, I’ve already said several times that some elitist features will probably make it into the final tool, despite of what I think would be best.
I hope you can read my post and make a reply.
Answer me why no lvl80 ever join a lfg which says lvl35 thief lfm.
You act like those elitist that are bad. When infact the the noob are even worse, they dont’ even want to group with each other. There are enough low level which can fill an AC group quickly. Why dont’ they just group up. Most of the people I see joining low level group are clueless people who never done dungeon before.
If you see two post. One says lfm speed run. The other says lvl35 thief lfm AC. Which one will you join? Even if you are willing to join the low level group. Try to do that everyday. I’m pretty sure you dont’ want to do it too.
I never see any lvl80 joining when I say lvl35 thief LFM.
So I take all the people anti elitist are hypocrite, dont’ even do dungeon or want to get carry.
Fill free to join low level group with half of the people never done a dungeon before, a few of them will leave if you wipe a few times, not to mention they probably don’t even know where the dungeon entrance is so you need to wait 10 minutes just so they can get there.
Because blatanly even the low level people dont’ want to group with low level people. So if you start a low level group, only people never done a dungeon before will join and quit midway through.
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I just got to lvl35. Feel free to party with me.
If you don’t want to party with me because I’m lvl35, a theif, and don’t know how to play…
Maybe other people dont’ want to play with you too.
^ I’m not going to post there. The problem isn’t high level people dont’ want to group with low level people.
The problem is low level people dont’ even want to group with low level people.
If you ask me, just stop dungeon swaping. If people can’t swap their lvl80 main for alt in the end, they’ll have to play their lower level.
If you want, fill free to group with me. My thief should hit lvl35 soon. I’m inexperienced, bad with theif and don’t know how to play. Fill free to hit me up with a group so we can wipe alot and have fun.
Did they ever make any change to the burrow? Consider people can solo it before(check youtube). I’m not sure why they can’t solo it now.
If you only do the shorter dungeon path it is pretty even actually (cof12, se13, ac13, hotw1).
The shorter path take about 20 minute in pug. You get 1.25 gold, 60 token. You do 3 path which 4+ gold and 180 token in an hour, on top of that you get emphreal fragment.
I dont’ think the difference is that big.
I think you just need to make different reward for differnet content which Anet is doing now. You only get emphyreal fragment for dungeon, dragonite ore for event. For karma, best way is fractal.
We might see more use of dragonite ore and empyreal fragment in the future.
That’s nothing compared to what you can get in a zerg farm.
And currently I have no reason for those t7 mats because I’m not throwing my money away to grind for a stupid upgrade for a single weapon on a single character when I have multiple chars to play.
So you have probelm getting exotic gear? Ya I understand. Many people dont’ even have time to play more than a couple hour a week.
Or maybe your miniature collector or cosmetic guy. That could be expensive too. I rather spend my money on ascended weapon.
Maybe they can add more use of empyreal fragment or dragonite ore so people that dont’ want ascended or no longer need it can find a use for it.
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