Some of the people in this thread scare me. They want buffs to NPCs or new guard abilities? You have PvE for that.
The issue with the game mode is that it is TOO much about the NPCs. The player aspect is almost secondary. I want to see player kills/death count for a lot more than they do today.
Incoming turret engi buff
The balance team can’t even release balance patches now. Why would we have any confidence that they will be able to balance the game as it becomes more complex?
Sry again guys, im talking about normal 1v1(in WvW or any hot join server), not 1v1 on a competitive conquest match.
Wrong forum. Go post WvW stuff in that forum.
Hot join is not a place to determine balance.
This is a fantastic idea. How about there be a solo queue and a team queue! Imagine if ANET had such a great idea and then didn’t change it for a poor idea.
Two points though:
1. Good teams don’t queue in unranked. It is typically new teams or those wanting to mess around with new specs.
2. The issue is the matchmaking. There should never be a PUG teams vs a 5 person premade. NEVER. I don’t care if the 5 person premade has been waiting 30 minutes. If they are not happy with the wait, then they can queue into ranked.
Yes, 7v7 or 8v8 please. The game mode is fun, but right now it feels like an NPC killing game vs a PvP game mode.
In case you all didn’t want the ANET team playing yesterday…. the leader of the ANET GW2 team (Colin) plays a turret engi. Don’t expect to see it nerfed.
My thoughts:
1. Should definitely not be in the same queue as conquest when it launches
2. 15 minutes is good. Some of us have other things to do and shorter game modes are better.
Engi only needs one adjustment: Remove the water field from healing turret.
The issue with engi is sustain. This change will reduce the effectiveness of both the turret engi spec as well as the cele nade spam spec.
loosing vs turret engi is the actual proof of your scrublife. like, just use a ranged weapon and kill the rocket turret first. no so hard bruh, dude has no stunbreak it’s easymode.
I’m sure you do kill them from range. And after 4 minutes or however long it takes you, you’ve essentially lost your team the game by being out of place and letting the enemy team scores points while you sat around dueling a turret engi.
Seems to be some confusion, as to how the game is played in regular ranked games the player objective is map impact i.e. capping, decapping etc. However in tournament play the player objective is kills, kills lead to caps. When you play a tourny style solo against a reg ranked team you will probably lose kills mean less than map impact. In this enviroment guarding a point is a good idea not to mention a safe one.
No top team has a player AFK at home all game. It is about rotation, not AFK. You should know that.
I was actually really happy to see a top team running 2 turret engis. Most people on the forums believe that turret engi is only good for low skill games. Today, all of those people were proved wrong.
Maybe now the ANET balance team will actually do some work and fix it.
Let me guess. Today the daily is engi, so the game played out something like this.
Team A:
Engi
Engi
Thief (the other daily)
Medi guard
Ranger
Team B
Looked a lot like A.
I keep telling this to people over and over. It would be incredibly easy to balance engis. Just remove the water field from healing turret. That’s all that needs to be done.
nah that would nerf all engi specs
just nerf all turrets aside from healing into oblivion and gg
and how does this fix the cele rifle nade spamming spec? If they nerf turrets, virtually all engis will play that spec instead. It is super powerful and not very difficult to learn.
Engi sustain is the problem. Sustain is what gives turrets a chance to kill you, and gives nade spammers the chance to spam more nades.
Hey negativity. When someone is in stealth, they can’t cap points. The more stealth the better.
I believe we’ve been told to classify it as “botting”
I actually think this is a good idea. Just put the people on the sample accounts in their own instance and don’t let them join any of the others. In a match of course they can be mixed with everyone.
Create a tab and only enable party and whispers.
90% of the chat in pug matches is useless and mostly people who have no clue trying to tell others what to do.
I revised this list with my opinions:
Low Demand on Player Skill / Knowledge / Timing
- Turret Engineer
- GS Medi Guardian
- PU Mesmer
- Condi Shatter Mesmer
- Phantasm Mesmer
- Power Necromancer
- Minion Master Necromancer
- Power LB Ranger
- Spirit Ranger
- P/D Condi Thief
- Shoutbow Warrior
- Hambow WarriorMedium Demand on Player Skill / Knowledge / Timing
- Cele D/D Elementalist
- Bunker Staff Elementalist
- Cele Rifle Engineer
- Condi Engineer
- Bunker Guardian
- Hammer Medi Guardian
- Condi Necromancer
- Condi Survival Ranger
- Traps Ranger
- S/D Acro Thief
- Bunker Warrior
- Condi WarriorHigh Demand on Player Skill / Knowledge / Timing
- Condi Signet Elementalist
- Fresh Air Elementalist
- Zerker Staff Elementalist
- Static Discharge Engineer
- Shatter Mesmer
- Lockdown Mesmer
- D/P Thief
- Zerker WarriorI tried to rate this on my overall impression for how the build performs versus how much effort is required to do well with it. Some builds have a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling, which skews my rating of it.
This list is good. The only change I’d make is to move cele rifle engi to the easy category, at least it is for me.
It isn’t universally hated by any means in my opinion. Personally, I am all for it. In my opinion, the folks that dislike it, have created their own idea on how to do things, and chose to speak negatively about out of the personal bias of their subjective opinion.
Correct. Open field is not universally hated. There are plenty of people who have no fighting skills and siege is the best way for them to enjoy the game.
Here’s what it comes down to:
-They’re good on point.
- Enough damage/cc to kill people (especially glassy builds, ones where people like to pretend trying to burst people down are “skillful”, but thats another story)
- They don’t get slapped around like a thief/Shatter mesmer would like.
- People hate AI.
- People refuse to see any downsides or listen to logic.
- Engineer is flawed, and must play a kit build or otherwise they’re “too easy”, thus, taboo.
- People hate anything they have ever died to.
- Rather than adapt, people prefer to nerf anything that pops up that counters them or slows them down.Most things fit into these categories, I’d say.
Oh no, engi is easy in general. It isn’t just a turret engi thing.
I should clarify that of all classes, it was the easiest for me to learn. Maybe it was another class for some people.
I keep telling this to people over and over. It would be incredibly easy to balance engis. Just remove the water field from healing turret. That’s all that needs to be done.
Give mesmer a skill that applies revealed. Drink the tears of 1000 crying thieves.
Yes, but only if it applies revealed to the mesmer at the same time.
Trust me spirit ranger still required more skill than turret engi…enough said i guess…
Hardly. I played both, and frankly turreter seems a bit more complicated, since positioning is more difficult (you can’t just run to the nearest team fight without your turrets). And spirit ranger was definitely a stronger build. It got nerfed, and it was about time. I wish turreter will meet the same fate. But I find funny that players who had no shame in playing spirit ranger are so prude about turreters.
So basically, brain dead spec vs slightly more brain dead spec. Once ANET hires a balance team, I’m sure this will be resolved.
lol @ this thread. Why not run the one spec that can kill turret engis. It is always funny. The current OP spec always things their spec is completely fine. Let me make it clear to all of you: play engi all you want. It is there as a result of the non-existent ANET balance team. Just don’t think it takes any skill to play.
Definitely play engi as much as possible. Get the win points now while it takes zero skill to play.
Not sure how many times people need to say that the class dailies are a bad idea. For some reason ANET won’t listen.
You guys still don’t understand that if turret engis are nerfed, everyone will just migrate to the nade spamming cele spec. Engi is just overly strong right now in general.
ANET likes easy fixes. If they want to balance engi, it can be done with one easy change: remove the water field from the healing turret. It is sustain that makes both the turret engi spec and the nade cele spec so strong. This will reduce that sustain.
What is the point of them? Give me armor sets so that I can mix and match stuff. I actually like the design of part of the outfit from today, but wouldn’t buy it because I don’t want to use every piece.
I actually really like the durations both the + and the -. It adds more strategy to the game and that is a good thing.
@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.
Queues because of who? Who is “them”? Players who are playing in an acceptable, and specifically approved manner?
It appears to me that you are complaining to try to have others forced out of there, for playing differently then you, so that you can get yourself and and others who play the way you like in.
Agreed. People have the right to play however they want.
Of course if people are just standing in there farming, then I kinda feel sorry for them. I can’t imagine anyone being so bad at the game that this is the only way they can get rank chests.
@OP:
Depends on the game mode. Warrior is way better and some things and worse at some things. It just depends what you enjoy,
It is tough to beat a thief with a power build. As long as they are smart, they will avoid your wells and fight you once those go on cooldown.
Now a condi spec on the other hand….
As the previous poster mentioned the MMR multiplicator for teams does exist and currently accounts for 25% when predicting which team will win. One of the devs even mentioned in another thread that maybe this number is not high enough and maybe needs tweaking. I don’t know how it works for matchmaking but that was for determining odds of victory which I am sure is linked in some way.
No one cares about the indicator or the projection of who will win. People care about getting good matches and there are still way too many premades vs pug games.
Oh, and I think a lot of people are still upset about losing solo queue.
1. Balance updates are too slow. Any esport game has much more frequent updates.
2. Conquest is not viewer friendly. There are not many big moments. Casual viewers don’t know what is going on.
two points.
1. turret engi has a lot of counters. instead of whining about how OP it is, why not learn to counter it? metabattle has the full turret engi build + the counters for it. everyone complains about how no-skill engi is, but no one wants to increase their own personal skill level to beat them? sounds more like you just want an easy win.
2. have turrets last for TWENTY SECONDS? then they’re literally useless. might as well delete them from the game at that point. all other summons last longer than 20 seconds, save for like, mesmer clones.say turret engi gets nerfed. okay, fine, whatever. then another build will most likely get buffed in its place — not just for engi, ANY class. then that other build is OP, then the mob will come crying for a nerf, then it gets nerfed and something else gets buffed… do you see what i’m getting at? it’s a never-ending cycle.
You do know there are other classes in the game besides turret engi right? A person can’t spec specifically for turret engi.
@OP:
I’ll make it easy for you.
PvP: Yes, engi is that OP
PvE: No, engi is not OP
WvW zerg: No one wants an engi there
WvW roam: Really strong
I sure hope that rifle isn’t the thief weapon. Thief is missing one weapon set and that is melee condi. That way they could move dancing dagger to to that weapon and add something more appropriate to d/d.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. It would be easy to balance engi…. remove the water field from the healing turret.
The reason turrets are so effective is because engis have so much sustain. This change would help that. It would also reduce the effectiveness of the other OP engi spec, the nade spamming cele build.
Personally, I’d just be happy if ANET hired a balance team. Clearly there isn’t one given that turret engis and nade spam cele engis are still so strong.
I think instead of LFT site, it should be an advertisement for PvP focused guilds. I’m sure there must be some out there.
This will not be popular, but engis can be balanced with one small change: remove the water field from the healing turret. That will help balance the turret engis at lower levels and will balance the nade spamming cele builds at higher levels.
I’d rather have a mesmer on my team than 98% of thieves out there. Unless a thief is one of the top 10 in the game, they are not very good. Having a thief is basically like being in a 4v5 from the start.
There is nothing wrong with a 2v1. Look at it this way. If they need to 2v1 you, it means they likely aren’t very good on their own.
Because it is hard class for most people to play good. The Gwen classes are all pretty simple to pick up
What? Engi is one of the absolute easiest to play. It is a fantastic roaming class.
It isn’t as popular in zergs simply because it doesn’t offer as much as GWEN.
Note to all: If you insist on just staying on a point all game and not moving, at least do it on mid or far. Ideally far since most pug opponents will tunnel vision on that point all game.
Yeah, definitely play turret engi. Even if they nerf that, nade spam cele engi is even better. You just can’t stop and get a snack during a match.
Easiest class to play? Engi. Why? At lower levels you have turret engis and at higher levels you have nade spam cele builds. Even better at higher levels, the main engi counters are not part of the meta.
Hardest to play?
Mesmer/Necro- Mesmer is probably in the worst spot in general right now. Necro isn’t a lot better.
Honorable mentions.
Easy to play- longbow power rangers. It is easy to pick up and does well anywhere except at the highest levels of play
Hard to play- Thief. This is the class that loses more games for teams than it wins. Unless you are one of the top 10 thieves in the game, I don’t want you on my team.
@OP.
Just play however you want. It is a game. Have fun.