Guild Wars 2

Mike.7320:

ParnAshwind.4823:

I was just walking around in the borderlands trying to get map completion! Then a thief from no where blinded me and stab me repeatedly and bleed me dry!!

I didnt even go to territories controlled by da enemy, I was just walking around portion of the map that my server controls!

So no, killing me does not assist your server because me being there actually take up a spot that may no longer be available to someone else who really wants to WvW! You are actually doing ma server a service cos I ran back to LA sulking and heartbroken.

=P

Ahahaha that thief did his job well.. Lets face it, thief is the easiest, most gimmicky, cheesiest class this game has to offer for wvw.

If a thief cant win a fight (determined in first 10seconds of contact) they stealth and run away.

If a thief is going to win, also decided in the first 10seconds. You can try to justify thieves all you want but it comes down to the simple fact of being able to break combat easily, stealthing at near 50% hp and popping back at full. Lets not forget the damage either.

2222222 STEALTH

You must be new here since what you write doesn’t make much sense. Thanks for the laugh though and welcome to GW2.

Calae.1738:

Is anyone in TC fed up of tier 1? This skill lag infested tier is getting on my nerves.

Not at all. Tier 1 is fun. I just wish there were more smaller roamer fights in addition to the zerg battles.

I’ve also seen a lot of threads about people complaining about servers running away from fights. The reality is that everyone does it at times. Every commander is different. I know on TC we have some commanders that want to open field fight and that’s it. We have other commanders that want to play the PPT game. It just depends who is leading at the time.

@OP: Be careful what you wish for. ANET probably thinks they are releasing a lot of new stuff. Unfortunately, the current team in charge of WvW is taking it in the wrong direction. They keep focusing on this waste of time progression stuff instead of working on something of value…. like a new map.

We are coming up on a year since launch. Time to end the excuses.

Eles are in a good place right now, at least in WvW. They do not really need any other buffs. PvP is also ok. PvE likes needs some help.

Aberrant.6749:

Please teach me how to guard and spam 1. Simply amazing. This is exactly what’s wrong with this game right now.

Pre-emptive… Yes I’m from TC, wasn’t involved in the fight, no I don’t care who won or have anything against any server. I’ll be out 5 man roaming while people continue to zergball.

You seem bitter about the fight styles of tier 1/2. You probably would be happier on a lower tier where there are more roaming groups.

Clockradio.3257:

Aberrant.6749:

Clockradio.3257:

Aberrant.6749:

Hi I’m on TC. I’ve been on TC for a long time now. I’m sick of the stupid lagfest 80+ sized zergballs in T1. I like being able to use a skill other than 1. Please shove JQ back to T1 with the others that apparently enjoy this rubbish. They need to be quarantined and kept away from the general population to prevent the further spread of this. Thanks.

Interesting analysis, however I happen to know that a lot of T1 guilds run fairly complicated builds and a “skill 1 spam” would end up with you being a loot bag on the floor. A more accurate number as far as group size is concerned would be 30-50. It’s pretty rare outside of karma trains or multiple forces combining to take a well defended target to see 60+ players in a single group.

If your guild or a commander you follow is suggesting that you just stand there and spam “1”, I suggest finding a new guild or commander to follow.

T1 NA often lags to the point to where you can’t use any skill other than 1… even if you’re away from the fight. That’s what I’m referring to.

Often? I rarely see lag unless there’s a 3 way keep battle or I’m on EB (hate that map). If this happens to you all the time, I would suggest looking into a better internet connection. However it could just be your geolocation in relation to the ANET servers.

Agreed. The lag difference between tier 1 and tier 2 isn’t that much

raoul.4218:

Waiting over 85mins to get to play a kittening game that you have BOUGHT doesn’t make any kittening sense to me!!!!!!!. Only a company like ANET would allow this, and not give a kittening kitten about it. For Christ’s sake really, all maps despite repeated queue’s over 85 kittening mins!!!!!!! If any kittening moron from this kittening organization is reading this get off your kittening kitten and find a kittening solution ASAP.

Tier 1 and tier 2 people have no basis to complain. If you do not like the queue, transfer to a lower tier. Otherwise stop whining

Wow, a lot of haters. I’m guessing some of you got run over by these zergs.

Personally, I like watching FEAR fight. I especially like fighting against them as they are always high quality.

NeHoMaR.9812:

Hi, Arenanet. I have something simple to say:

I am in Jade Quarry server for a reason, to play in T1, and I have 3 weeks playing, owning and boring servers that are not T1 level.

Just that, bye.

Quit whining. No one really cares.

The issue is BG and SoR are at their own level right now. No one compares with them coverage wise.

JQ is good. The issue is that they have a tier 1 coverage on SEA and a tier 2 coverage in NA.

maladikt.2180:

Thief isn’t useless. Also, last time I checked all classes had to walk since none can (yet) fly.

Definitely not useless. It’s just that thief in general is good at two areas of the game. Roaming in WvW or hot join against those who are just learning their class.

The thief is average or below average in the other areas of the game. The low point is probably in dungeons where the thief is the worst class overall.

Daecollo.9578:

Altruistic Healing is almost on every guardian build, it simply heals way to much and heals for more then most ‘6’ skills.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Merciful_Intervention is also bugged and healing for three times, so not only do the guardians get a second healing skill, they have an almost full heal get out of jail free card.

Add an internal cool-down of 1 second to Altruistic Healing and increase the healing slightly to balance it please, 5 guardians with AH/Might on Crit builds can pretty much never die, even with 40 people beating on them. (as seen in videos.)

When every tree is 0/0/30/0/0 you know something is wrong with the tree, it offers high damage, high survivability, high sustain all in one package. I also think the 30% Critical Damage should be traded with the Virtues tree.

0/0/30/30/0 should not have the high damage it currently has… Its kind of ridiculous actually.

Thanks for posting this in early December 2012. Oh wait, it is July 2013 and AH was already nerfed.

Pwnzor.5682:

well my main is thief, after that i leveld ele and geared him did some roaming and 1v1’ing with him. then i started to plaay thief again. after 5min i whas bored.. only thing i see in a thief roaming is, stealth, backstab, run. stealth again, backstab run. i dont know how swords play. but is there a build where u dont need to slealth all the time and doing same things to win? when i 1v1 with ele i got a lot of combo’s to do etc. but with thief just a few and always the same,
its a funny class to play, but i’m bored of doing always the same over and over again. i will be verry happy if u can give me a non (less) stealth build?

If it isn’t fun, focus on the ele for now. It’s never a bad thing to get a break from a class and learn the mechanics of the other classes.

I am really looking forward to this. It will be something that tests individual skill vs team composition.

The best solo roaming classes:

Mesmer
Ele
Thief

If you enjoy roaming, those have the best chance.

XII.9401:

Ryzu.5830:

Good fights RE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djnu7dbacQ

It’s a zerg fight with the lemmings on voice.

Run guardians, face roll through a memorized rotation and hope to win.

Good fights indeed..

Good editing doesn’t distract from the fight that this is zerging.

Bitter much?

Great video! It’s always cool to both watch and participate in GvG match-ups.

I’d prefer that guardians were the anti-condition spec. The current meta is all about conditions. I’d like to see guards easily clear whatever any class can put on them.

Wow. Is this September 2012? Heartseeker? Lol. I haven’t heard many complaints about that in awhile. @OP. Your dodge key misses you. Try it sometime.

Evilek.5690:

Make passive element on this Venom skills.

Spider Venom – every 3 hits applies poison or 30% chance per hit/crit to apply this effect
Skale Venom – every 3 hits applies Torment or 30% chance per hit/crit to apply this effect

Problem fixed

This is a great idea. I like it. I’d probably reduce it to 20% or so, but the concept is great.

Classified information

Based on popular demand, we have remained this game mode SiegevSiege (or SvS for short). Upon entering SvS, you will no longer have access to any of your weapons or utilities. Instead, everyone will automatically run to supply depots to build siege. We are also introducing a new siege mastery skill. This will allow you to strap and AC to your head and run around.

There will also be a new map! This will allow for two supply depots that are in AC range of each other. The first team to wipe the other wins!

LotuS.4378:

AphoticEssance.7592:

More PvE crap? Really?? I am getting tired of WvW being ignored in this game. This game is starting to become stale.

It’s more like this. Since culing update, there’s no any “good” update for WvW. I mean WXP and other things like that are small update that dosent require much work from player, and basiclly doing nothing more, that even enemy wont see your title on zerg/blob or anything.

We already know that we will not get GvG system/map since AN is afraid that it will “destroy” thier e-delusion sport tpvp. But for every 2 weeks, or every month we will get some crapy skills that bascilly no1 using? Since they buffed a little Guard killer/def some ppl start to using it, but others skills are completly usless. Im just wondering what excatly doing our lovely WvW designer. If this is all what AN have to present to WvW, imo this is over. Prolly next new games, will make borders empty.

This is ridiculous, how much PvE kittened content AN doing, that no1 who is playing WvW active not doing this. Im border of this WvW after all those months.

Imo they should delete WvW from this game. No point to play it.

Well said. Every update to WvW is taking the game mode in the wrong direction. WvW is a chance to fight against players using my own equipment.

I’d even be happy if they just opened a new game mode that was an open field where people could GvG or solo queue into deathmatch type action.

Please focus the the team on items that will increase the fun factor. In order:

1. New maps – The excuse of “this takes too much time” is not valid anymore. There are new maps coming out constantly for PvE. We can’t get any for WvW?
2. Skill lag – Not fun when the only key that works is the 1 button.
3. Broken commander tags – Fix please
4. Commander system – They need more abilities than just an icon on the mini map

It’s just really disappointing that there is such a lack of focus on WvW.

yay! This leaderboard will be way more important than the previous one. This one can represent individual talent. The other one represents team talent.

@OP. I like that you posted your build and your reasoning behind it. Clearly there is a lot of thought around it. I think the issue is comparing it to Jumper’s build right from the start. It doesn’t matter.

The truth is that neither build is the best build for everyone. The best build is one that matches the way an individual plays. Guides like yours or Jumper’s are great to give new ideas or to learn new techniques.

Personally, I do not care who wins. Discounted keys? I won’t buy them anyway. Discounted WP? Not a big deal. New fractals? I don’t run fractals.

Now tell me that one of the candidates will give us new WvW maps, and I’ll be excited.

Reiko.1560:

They won’t listen to your reports anyways. Read this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/ANET-Fix-Your-Towers/first

It wasn’t looked seriously despite thousands of reports being sent (they were too “vague”) and was only looked upon because someone from ANet finally realized it was indeed a problem.

Their dev team in regards to PvP in general is a joke. This whole game caters to PvE and there’s no denying it.

This is true. Think about it for a minute. On the next update, do you think we will see bug fixes or something of value or do you think we will see a new siege mastery line? WvW is going in the wrong direction and has been for a long time.

News flash…. no one is forced to zerg. Create a havoc group and go roam if you want to do that. A lot of people zerg because they want to.

Stop with the QQ OP. It is annoying. Do you realize that a lot of people play WvW BECAUSE they like to zerg? Why wreck the game mode just because YOU don’t like it? It is annoying.

That said, ANET should realize some new smaller scale combat maps for those who don’t want to zerg. That would be a much better use of time than waiting to see what new useless siege mastery skill will be released.

The other issue is not many people really care about wxp. I think a lot of people think of it this way. Ohhh, I can level up and get….. more siege skills! Boring.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

They dont care. It’s clear they have no interest in WvW. I have no idea why they added it in the first place when its constantly being ignored everywhere else gets new content except WvW…

Noooo. This is so not true. ANET has plans to keep increasing siege and to remove the PvP aspect. Wrecking WvW is the only way they can actually get people to play s/tPvP

Depends what you want to do. There is no one overall best class

For zergs:
—Hammer Warriors
—Staff Guards
—Necros

For roaming:
—Thieves
—Mesmers

If you want to do both, go ele.

AC needs a buff? hahahah. Thanks.

But don’t worry. ANET seems to want to take the PvP aspect out of WvW so I am sure you will get what you want at some point.

There is a reason that PvP is the least popular GW2 game mode. It is boring. Fortunately, ANET seems intent on wrecking WvW with more siege, so most likely you’ll see more people come to PvP.

CC for warrior is fine in PvP. CC for warrior in WvW is OP. Since this is a PvP forum, it is fine.

All,

Can we focus voting on the classes overall and not just one weapon set for those classes?

@op. another qq thread. Thieves are not broken. In fact, they currently only have one area where they are above average and that is in roaming WvW.

In pvp they are the second worst class (go look
At the pvp tier list thread). In WvW zergs, other classes play a better role. In dungeons no one wants a thief.

Why nerf an already weak class even more?

lilstev.3498:

Lol I think you in the wrong game homie

Agreed. It is clear there is no monk. Sadly, if someone wants to play a monk, they need a different game. Personally, I prefer this style game over always needing to look for a healer or specific other classes.

At OP…. You are trying to choose between the two most important classes in any zerg. There is no better choice. Just pick the one you like the most.

Daecollo.9578:

The rifle is kind of a unique weapon for the warrior, however it has one problem “Kill-Shot”, its meant to be a powerful move that would make a warrior offensive, while the longbow is almost better in every single way. Currently useless in non zerg pvp because of how it works.

Kill-Shot should be a high risk shot that inflicts 7 seconds of “Self-Weakness.” and “10 Self-Vulnerability” on the warror. However be good damage.

With the recent nerf to the greatsword (Making Berserker’s power/The Critical so deep in the trees.) Rifle Damage was really nerfed. If you go 30/0/0/0/30, you can’t get the rifle trait that makes it pierce, so to compensate, instant cast.

This makes me laugh. It is already the hardest hitting 1 key skill in the game. You want to make that instant cast? Worst idea ever.

Retaliation has already been nerfed. It is fine as-is.

Xsorus.2507:

Thief

Thief is the absolute best class at tagging enemies

All you need is shortbow, and spam Choking Gas

hahahahaha. Thanks for that.

Necro and guard are definitely the top.

Mongreltmr.6830:

Whats the best choice for both WvWvW, and Community. I am looking to transfer soon and I am looking for the best of these three for both of these areas of interest.

Why transfer to tier 1 or 2? Its just a lot of skill lag there

Chris.3290:

Or at least decrease the range of probability.

Reasons:
in EU, they have managed to get all the servers (except the bottom two) all within 800 pts of each other. In the current matchup probability range 1-11 can face each other while 11-23 can face each other.
Going back to tiered matches in EU will not result in any stagnation for some time. Only VS, FoW, and Vabbi are unlikely to see any change.

in NA, we have finally equilibrium as AR hakitten T8 (ET deserves the chance to climb out of last) while EB and KN are likely to settle in T5 (KN is already there and EB will be there at the end of next week unless they roll very low).

T3 is pretty stable, with Mag and SoS trading 7th every couple of weeks and CD coming in as would be expected of a server that has added some people.

FA is still too large to fall to T3, while TC failed to shame JQ into an implosion.

Unless the devs plan on reducing cap map populations, NA isn’t going to see anymore changes and the matches can be decided by rankings now. 4th will always beat 5th, 5th will beat 6th, and so on. Only two aberrations remain, unless another large group from a mid-tier server decides to go to DB or BG to never be heard from again.

Huh? The most even matchup in upper tiers is probably JQ vs TC vs DB. The only way that can happen is through RNG.

Zaoda.1653:

Rank 1 (5 points): Golems you control move 25% faster
Rank 2 (15 points): Increases damage done to gates by 20%
Rank 3 (30 points): Nearby golems move 50% faster for 5 seconds when you enter or exit a portal
Rank 4 (50 points): Golems within a 900 radius of you don’t take falling damage
Rank 5 (75 points): Improved Shield Bubble. Shield Bubble lasts 25% longer and reflects projectiles back at the source

I also think there should be a trebuchet mastery rank, but I hardly ever use those so I’ll leave that for someone else to suggest.

Please stop giving ANET more bad ideas. All they focus on is siege updates when what people really want are some new map ideas.

Xinthai.6175:

Pain.3756:

I see BG and SOR are in an alliance on TC BL, thank you for the respect, we appreciate it.

-g

That’s why we tried to ninja their hills during that garrison fight, right?

You just need to understand the way a BG/SoR matchup works.

I think/hope it was a joke. Anyone who has played on TC for more than a week knows the history between SoR and BG.

Anyway, good to see SoR and BG again. It reminds me of the old days when the two of you beat us down in tier 2. The biggest difference is that all 3 servers are more coordinated now. BG and SoR definitely deserve to be the top 2 servers.

Shout builds have been the meta in WvW zerg fights for months now. Warriors were already one of the top 3 ZERG classes in WvW and this just made them stronger.

naphack.9346:

If you are immobilized, you can teleport away from a 100blades.
Also lower initiative cost and getting away from someone teleporting on top of you when you are still revealed(read: you sneak attack and he just ports on top of you to burst you down while you can’t cnd, so you shadowstrike away).

It’s more of a situational escape tool, so I don’t see the torment as that much of a buff…

This is so true. It is definitely best as an escape. Adding torment was nice, but didn’t do a whole lot other than getting a lot of FotM thieves to try P/D.

It’s also fun to troll with it in PvE.

Obscure One.4357:

The subject line says it all.

I’m pretty much fed up with a class design allowing those who pick up the Thief class to spend less than a day with it and compete with some of the best DPS metagamers to ever put their hands on GW2…by pressing 2…a lot.

Now before you crazed defenders of all things Thief get all up in arms over another thread calling for a nerf, please read, let this idea bounce around in your head a bit, and then reply with an actual opinion.

Are you ready?

Are you sure?

Ok, here it is:

New sPvP and WvW Feature: Exhaustion “when activating the same non-auto-attack (#1 skill) weapon skill within 2 seconds that skill gains a 1.5 second cooldown that stacks in intensity.”

As far as I can tell this only effects skill spamming and doesn’t circumvent the initiative system, but rather encourages learning to play the class as intended. Pressing one key to victory is pandering to bad players and trivializing the class as a whole. Watching an initiative bar and playing Wack-A-Mole with the 2-key should not be the back bone of a play-style.

My biggest problem doesn’t stem from being attacked by this type of play style, oh no. I beat those kids like it’s a Chris Brown and Rihanna RP. The problem is my difficulty in learning the class. Everytime I try to get into it, I get myself into a situation in which repetitively pressing 2 is the best choice (cloak & dagger, backstab, they run…soooo heartseeker…still alive, still running, sooooo heartseeker…still not down? still running…heartseeker!) Other classes, of with I have 4 fully exoticed at 80, I’m forced to use something else, because the skill I’d like to use is on cool-down, so I have to figure out what to do with my other options. This is how I learn, and this prevents me from playing a non-2-spamming thief. I burn out my initiative pressing 2 and if it doesn’t kill them I stealth away and recover…and then try something else only to end up doing it again, which actually beats other thieves more often than anyone else, which is dumb, since I’ve collectively put in about 10 hours of game time into the class and only in sPvP.

hahahahaha. I’m assuming this is a joke and it is really funny. Everyone knows the thief is one of the two weakest classes at this point. Thanks for the attempt at humor.

Zacchary.6183:

I don’t get hit enough.

I’m not sure I understand your build. On one hand you don’t get hit enough to need a stun breaker but on the other hand you get downed enough that you need back fighting. Something seems out of place there.

Edit: I also see you said you don’t use steal. Why??? It is easy way to get into stealth in combo with CnD.

Play WvW. It is a way more popular game mode than PvP anyway. In WvW, hammer warriors are one of the most desired classes for zerg fighting.

Setun.4368:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Warrior’s may not be op atm (I wouldn’t give em that), but today my lvl 80 warrior comes main. That’s for certain. I did the same with necro when earlier patch hits. Was necro op? nope. Where they finally Viable: yes.

But here we go warrior main, lets see how long it will take them to nerf warrior (every profession I mained has been nerfed). So you should be scared.

So you’re a flavor of the month player. Got it.

Warriors have been one of the strongest zerg classes in WvW for awhile. Plenty of people started a warrior just for that.