Fun is a subjective emotion. Balance is, while subjective since people have to evaluate and decide, more objective and comparable.
Asking for one over the other is futile since you will always get one crowd displeased, especially on both of those subjects which are always hottopics in MMOs.
Asking for seperation of game modes skill wise would make more sense (assuming you are refering to pve balance coming from pvp changes). That’s a different topic though.
They won’t diversify WvW because they’re afraid of imbalance. They nerfed EotM and OS because they were afraid of imbalance. They nerfed dungeons because they were afraid of imbalance. They won’t diversify SPvP with new maps and game types because they’re afraid of imbalance. They’ve completely forgotten and removed underwater combat because they’re afraid of imbalance. They are terrified of making a move that will cause the slightest imbalance, and it’s frozen their development and creativity to the extreme. It’s caused stagnation, and all the fun and excitement has been removed simply because they’re terrified of imbalance.
Anet, I haven’t played GW2 in a while, but after having put almost 3k hours into it over the years I still follow it here on the forums and on Reddit. You’re losing a lot of players because of these two things.
Prioritizing balance over fun. Fun > balance, always. I’ve seen you guys nerf things that people were having a BLAST with over and over again for years now simply because a small number of people whined that it was imbalanced (EotM, OS, Capricorn, dungeons, etc). Stop doing this.
Catering to the hardcore crowd. What percent of your player-base raids? 10-15 percent? Yet you still pump out tons of content for them and none for your majority player-base. Stop doing this, cater to your big populations, that’s casuals, WvW, and SPvP players.
Just thought I’d let you know, since you seem intent on wrecking this great game more and more with every patch. I’ll be watching, playing other MMOs, as will many others. Hope to enjoy GW2 again some day if you guys can get it on the right path.
Stopped reading when you said that Mesmers lacked defensive abilities before HoT, because at that point I knew you had no idea what you were talking about.
Now that we can glide in HotM, we’ve found some pretty sweet psychedelics in HotM, and possibly the lair of Bubbles, the deep sea dragon. Black water that makes your screen all wavy and creepy.
Yes!!! This idea is brilliant! I really miss fighting people in that puzzle! It was such a unique and fun part of the game. For a long time back in vanilla GW2 it was the main reason I logged in! Please bring this awesome place back to life!
I couldn’t agree more, was the main reason I logged in for a long time. Many people want this back.
First they made the reward account daily instead of character daily, then they reduced the badges and loot you got from it. Separating OS and EBG map chat could have been considered a nerf too.
But it’s meant to have combat. What would you do? Add Aetherblade or Zaishen masters to fight players?
And if added, why not also the puzzles from the Alpine borderlands? That way they could be removed from there, so the Borderlands can focus just on combat.
They could be on floating islands over the Heart of the Mists, so they aren’t see in the horizon and affect performance less.
What? Players would fight each other. It would still be a PvP zone, just in the SPvP lobby instead of on a WvW server.
Is there going to be a season 3 with bi-weekly updates like in season 1 and 2? The update every 2 weeks is what drew me to this game so much, especially season 1, without them it becomes more and more dull every week…
Anet has some severe blinders on when it comes to PvP… They keep trying to make it esports while removing all the fun. Keep trying to push a certain meta while removing all the diversity.
They need to stop with the esports BS (which it will never become) and start making PvP fun and innovative again.
Switch to unranked. Ranked is so botched with balance and has nothing but elitists who spam matches with the exact same 4 builds and cheese MMR to win.
Why not adding a dueling place in HotM without removing OS from WvW?
Yes, it isn’t used much anymore but sometimes people still like to fight there. And by moving OS to HotM it wouldn’t only change its place. It would also remove build variety due to the restrictions of PvP builds.
Even today I camp there often looking for good fights, sorry but nobody goes there any more, you’re talking about a demographic that doesn’t exist because of the OS nerfs. Moving it to HotM would solve all these problems and get it packed with people again!
Love how you completely abandoned your personal score thread because you realized you were wrong.
I stopped posting there because there’s over 100 replies and I don’t want to sift through all that, I’m definitely not wrong though. If you have a fraction of the score the rest of your team has you’re playing horribly.
Everyone acts like they’re legendary league level players. Is the match making any good? No, but everyone needs to stop acting like they’re good enough to play against the top tier players. If you are, then put a full 5 man together and go out there and grab the status you crave.
As an fyi, I’ll buy double the gems to cover for the OP not purchasing any.
Empty words of course, but check those rose tinted goggles, you’re doing nothing but supporting terrible game balance. I’m sure you’ve QQ’d about players not playing the 4 ‘optimal builds’ all the time. Gross that you can support that, and as you can tell most people here agree with me.
Your MMR system and the Tank/Stunlock meta has completely wrecked PvP, and has made your already laughable attempt at making this game esports even worse.
You gain league ranks by cheesing the system, not skill. The people with diamond and ‘legendary’ badges did nothing but exploit MMR to their advantage.
League play completely discounts solo play, because solo-queuers are thrown into the mix with groups for some completely mysterious and ridiculous reason.
If you don’t play one of the 4 meta classes (with the meta build of course), you are literally holding back your team. When 5 out of 9 of your classes are near useless in league PvP you have a HUGE problem.
Whoever gets to the point first with the most tanks, wins. Watching the last ‘tournament,’ if you want to call it that, is proof of this. If you don’t run a tank, you’re stunlocked into uselessness, even with stability because of the sheer number of stuns being used. Why you turned stability into a stackable, removable with cc, buff one patch just to have everyone spam stuns in the next patch is beyond me.
What’s the worst part of all of this? You’re not going to fix it until the end of January, and if you get that patch wrong, you won’t even try to fix that for another 3 months because you want to stick to only 4 balance patches a year for some crazy reason (this does nothing but stagnate PvP btw…). If something is broken, fix it NOW, not in several months because you want to keep to some weird schedule you came up with for no reason.
You’re forcing us to run tank builds and cheese points for entire matches. Skillful 1v1’s are gone, 5 out of the 9 classes are gone, and any semblance of this ‘esports’ thing that you’re trying so hard to accomplish is ruined. Stop trying to make this game esports… just stop it, you’re ruining your PvP community. Until this is fixed I’m sticking to unranked and not buying gems. If you’re tired of the mess that’s been made like I am then I suggest you do the same.
Obsidian Sanctum used to be a place full of activity and some very unique PvP action. Since it’s map chat was removed from EBG’s map chat, and the reward was nerfed twice, it has become pretty desolate, ruining a place where many people loved to PvP.
To bring it back, OS should be moved into the HotM map. Much like the portal to the little tutorial island, there could be another portal to the puzzle, which would share the same map chat as the HotM, and would be a place that people could duel and burn time while queuing for matches.
People could be placed on teams based on the order they enter the map, based on the server (like in EotM), or it could just be FFA.
Score DOES matter. The higher your score, the more you’ve contributed to the match. The more player’s you’ve killed, decaps and caps you’ve gotten, buffs you’ve captured. I’m sorry but anyone who says score doesn’t matter is full of it, and needs to play better.
I noticed they removed the gate they had blocking the underwater golems in the PvP lobby. This mean they’re adding an underwater map? Maybe (and hopefully) bringing back the best map in the game, Raid on the Capricorn?
Anyone have a good tank build for SPvP? I know it’s not ‘meta,’ but to hell with the meta, I’ve been wanting to tank on my rev and I know they can be good at it.
Are you kidding me? You’re going to let this BS tank meta go on for another month and a half?
All you’re doing tomorrow is buffing Revenants, imposing an EXTREMELY minor nerf to Mesmers, fixing 2 bugs, and… that’s it. Watching some of the tournament today was just pathetic, you guys kittened up HARD. If you want PvP players to stay here then implement the needed changes faster than 4 times a year, all you’re doing by sticking to a quarterly schedule is hampering the flexibility you need to make PvP good. So good luck with that…
Change your business process, or we’ll go PvP elsewhere.
Shortly after the game launches we were getting amazing updates every 2 weeks! Now, HoT released almost 2 months ago, there’s been no major updates since, and we’re going to have to wait till the end of January for something as simple as a PvP balance patch.
What’s going on? Why did Anet’s quality and speed of work drop off so drastically? Sad to see…
OR whoever random word will apear on everyone team, who writes it on mapchat 1st will get 100 points…
and seriously op, you idea is rly bad and would break the game even more… You rly want Revs Druids and Bunker mesremrs instantcapping points with quickness?
Make quickness not work on cap points.
There, I just made your comment completely irrelevant.
haven’t play SWOT, but sounds more fun than what we have in gw2
SWTOR has a ton of problems, I wouldn’t recommend playing it. The only thing I’m giving them credit for is their PvP map creation and creativity, which I wish Anet would follow.
Lol for real? In SWTOR you have one Stun break with zero immunity after. Getting stun locked to death is super common and one of the most complained about things. SWTOR PvP is truly bad. However the variety of map types is nice, although you would think a Huttball League and more Huttball maps would be logical since it is the most fun thing to pvp.
I would give my left nut for a huttball league.
Seriously… the lack of creativity in creating territory map after territory map is sad…
They should make it to where you need to complete an uninterrupted channel to capture a point (like getting map buffs), instead of having to stand in a circle uncontested for however many seconds. Will definitely add a lot more room for creative gameplay, much more than the ‘throw a couple bunkers on a point and call it good’ gameplay we’ve had for years now.
Day 1) Aww man condi revenants suck so much!!! If you play them you’re an awful player, stick to the OP power rev!
Day 13) Oh man did you see those condi revs in that tournament?!? That’s the meta now everyone! Lets follow like sheep Bahhhhh!!!
Day 14) What, you’re playing a power revenant? Ugh man stop holding your team down noob!
It’s been like this literally every single ‘meta’ for every single class that the people come up with, and anyone who says they’ve never lost to a certain class or build is absolutely lying. Play what you want people! It’s not like Anet will ever be successful with this Esports thing anyways.
Day 1) Aww man condi revenants suck so much!!! If you play them you’re an awful player, stick to the OP power rev!
Day 13) Oh man did you see those condi revs in that tournament?!? That’s the meta now everyone!
Day 14) What, you’re playing a power revenant? Ugh man stop holding your team down noob!
It’s been like this literally every single ‘meta’ that the people come up with, and anyone who says they’ve never lost to a certain class or build is absolutely lying. Play what you want people! It’s not like Anet will ever be successful with this Esports thing anyways.
Why do we get the same map with different skins every time? Why do we get maps that are heavy on PvE? Bioware gave us a completely different experience with every map, gave us goals besides ‘hold these three circles.’ Learn from their creativity and get away from the territories maps, you’re trying too hard to be e-sports instead of being fun.
Guild Wars 2
stun locked all day
SWTOR
could only be CC’d several times before you became immune for a short duration
This is such a basic addition but is so MASSIVE in how much more fun it adds to the game. In GW2 if you fight on point now days it’s just stun after daze after stun after daze… Completely ruins any sort of ‘brawler’ feel to PvP, and encourages cheese play.
Guild Wars 2
you stand in a giant circle to cap or hold a point
SWTOR
you activate and need to finish channeling without being interrupted to capture a point
Again, such a massive change that would be amazing, completely changing the “throw two bunkers on a point an be done with it” meta that we have today. Being able to sneak in a clutch cap in the middle of a fight is exciting, and allows for much more strategy when fighting on a point when compared to the ‘stand in this big circle’ attitude that GW2 has.
edit: Yes I know SWTOR has a massive slew of issues, but when it came to PvP maps they hit the nail on the head.
An instant stunbreak that evades and regains stamina.
A gap closer that also gives 5 seconds to pierce blocks.
An instant quickness and superspeed to escape, quick finish or quick rez
An elite that recharges fast, has bigger, harder to see stun that also better to trigger the burning elite trait.
The only downside is the healing.
It’s not 5 seconds of unblockable attacks, it’s 2 seconds of unblockable attacks. When using something like the sword auto that’s like 6k-8k though, or the staff 5 where the first 2 will knock them out of their block.
mesmer oneshoting ppl from almost perma stealth was unreal i must say.
And if you dodge that opener they were finished. Even if they did get you at least the fight was over quick, like it should be. None of this 3 tanks vs 3 tanks on a point for 5 minutes BS.
and if you want to also be getting the wings youre really screwed
Yes definitely! Luckily I just want the Llama, but for those who want both they’ll be in a world of hurt unless they’re on an elite team that can grind out Legendary League over and over.
