Guild Wars 2

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

but this is no reason to make baseless attacks on them accusing them of not respecting the customers, just making a cash grab on players, and whatever else.

I’m sorry, baseless?

They refuse to work on SAB
They refuse to release content in SAB that is already made
They refuse to give a refund on the currently worthless and useless infinite continue coin
They refuse to talk about any of it with their playerbase/customers
And to top it all off, they shove the SAB minis into the Black Lion chests, which are an RNG gamble, knowing full well how much people have been pining for SAB related stuff

Oh, but they totally respect us. Yeah. Totally. /sarcasm

If that’s not enough, then by all means, please tell me. Where is the line? When can the line be drawn?

Or should we all just shutup and live in your fairy tale land where ANet is the best company ever that can do no wrong?

They haven’t refused to work on SAB. They’re working on other projects at the moment such as the expansion. They have their reasons why they won’t re-release Worlds 1 and 2. They won’t do refunds because they do plan to continue adding the remaining worlds. They have spoken about it and there’s really nothing else to say. A lot of people love the mini’s and I was sort of wishing I could still have access to them. Now I do.

They do respect the players otherwise you would not see them communicating on the forums as all. They do not have as much free time as you seem to believe to post on the forums. They also have certain guidelines on what they can actually say.

I said baseless because you had no supporting facts or reasoning in some of your arguments as some of them were becoming nonconstructive. I never said, or inferred, that everyone should just “shutup” as you put it.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They have certain people that have worked on SAB. If those people have been busy on other projects, then they obviously are unable to work on SAB.

SO RELEASE WHAT ALREADY EXISTS

You keep acting like people are demanding new worlds when everyone keeps saying it’s okay that there aren’t new worlds as long as they can play what already exists.

I’ve already addressed this above.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

There may be instances that seem perfect to release content such as SAB but if it hasn’t been developed, obviously it won’t be released. They’re likely all busy finalizing the expansion and getting it ready for release.

And then they’ll be too busy because Halloween
And then they’ll be too busy because Christmas
And then they’ll be too busy because…

But you know what’s cool? There is SAB content that ALREADY EXISTS, that they can put back in the game. The works already done unless they were absolute idiots and deleted every shred of it.

The holiday events that they do are very limited. They can easily find time do release SAB again, After the expansion is out, I’m pretty sure that there will be a lull before they start up the living story again. This would be a great time for them to release SAB.

Gene… wow. Please take a step back from the forums for just a sec and take a deep breath. Your posts have started to become a borderline rant and you’ve even resorted to personal attacks on players that you disagree with as evident by an above post.

Anyway…

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

And they do give us better communication than they had in the past.

Step into the traits thread and tell everyone that. Tell me how that goes for you.

There are many people that want constant communication which will not happen. It’s also not required of them I don’t think it’s something that’s commonly done in the industry except for maybe a handful of games. I certainly have not read about any large game developers that give you a complete rundown on exactly what they’re working on and then provide constant updates.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They’re not going to respond as frequently as you’d like as they have jobs and then personal lives afterwards.

They haven’t responded for literal months.

I believe that their last most was at the end of January. This is assuming you were still referring to the traits thread. Irregardless to which thread you were referring to though, they’ve stated their position and there’s no need for them to simply repeat the same post at various intervals. They’re working on redoing traits for or near the expansion. They plan to release SAB again and I gave reason why they’ve likely haven’t done so as of yet.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

We did get great communication in the traits thread

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You’re hilarious.

I can be at times. However, I was being serious. They addressed players concerned and announced that they are working on making obtaining traits less cumbersome. I may be wrong, as I can barely remember the post from a couple months back, but I think they said that the traits will soon resemble something like the mastery system. Again, don’t quote me on that. I could look but I’m a bit rushed this morning.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

I’d have to look at their actual post to remember exactly what they said.

They didn’t say much at all. You’d know that if you ever actually stepped foot into the traits thread.

I have and I was there when they posted. They do understand the frustrations that players have and Gaile’s involvement, including Colin (I think it was him) who posted about what they were working on, show that. They simply stated that they were working on a new system. They do not have to give you the complete details. Many people were excited by that post.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They’re providing details based on the guidelines set by upper management.

Guidelines that don’t actually allow them to give meaningful details.

Meaningful is debatable. You seem to want very detailed posts laying out exactly what they are doing with frequent updates. This won’t happen. Sorry.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

You may not agree with it, and want a concrete date, but they are not required to do so nor expected to.

A concrete date? They don’t even have a YEAR planned for SAB. They don’t even have a general timeline as to what YEAR they’d like to release it. That’s the entire problem. That they clearly have no actual intention of ever releasing it, again, despite what they claim.

How do you know that they do not have a date planned or a year? They’ve stated that they have the entire story for the game mapped out for years to come. I’m pretty sure they have a general idea on when staff would be free to resume working on SAB. You’re making an assumption as you’ve become very emotionally invested into SAB that it’s started to affect your reasoning.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

I understand

You don’t understand crap. And I’m getting really tired of you pretending that you do understand anything at all about what’s going on.

I do understand. I loved SAB both times that it has been released. However, I am able tostep back and I understand why they likely have not been able to release it again as of yet. I also understand why they will not be 100% transparent as many people desire. I suggest everyone to take a step back and a deep breath.

Therodin.2970:

Those are all great reasons why we can’t have a W3, but do you have any as to why they shouldn’t release the already finished W1 and W2 once a year or so?

I do not know. I can make assumptions but they wouldn’t really be backed up by anything as I haven’t seen a post from them specifically regarding your question.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

What’s important is that they do intend to bring it back in the future.

Yeah, and they also intend to give us more and better communication.

Let’s go check up on the traits thread to see how that’s working out.

Please. Please just stop parroting their bullkitten. “In the future” was old and tired a year ago.

And they do give us better communication than they had in the past. They’re not going to respond as frequently as you’d like as they have jobs and then personal lives afterwards. We did get great communication in the traits thread that they’re working on re-doing it and we’ll see it with the expansion or near then. I’d have to look at their actual post to remember exactly what they said.

You may want to parrot that Anet “makes meaningless statements”, “doesn’t respect the customers”, and so on. They’re providing details based on the guidelines set by upper management. You may not agree with it, and want a concrete date, but they are not required to do so nor expected to.

I understand that you’re disappointed that they’re not releasing SAB like you’d want them to but this is no reason to make baseless attacks on them accusing them of not respecting the customers, just making a cash grab on players, and whatever else.

They have certain people that have worked on SAB. If those people have been busy on other projects, then they obviously are unable to work on SAB. There may be instances that seem perfect to release content such as SAB but if it hasn’t been developed, obviously it won’t be released. They’re likely all busy finalizing the expansion and getting it ready for release. Once that’s done, and they can free up people, we’d likely see SAB again.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They will also not release timelines for reasons that they have already stated.

And their reasons are kitten.

Just because you don’t agree with them does not mean that they are. The designation of whether something is “kitten” doesn’t rest on whether you believe it to be or not.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They’ve said that they will when the time is right.

Which is a wholly meaningless and worthless statement.

No. It’s a definite yes rather than it being that they will never bring it back. You may not like that there’s not a specific timeline attached to it but that does not mean that it’s a meaningless and worthless statement.

No, it’s a meaningless and worthless statement because what does “when the time is right” even kittening mean?

When there’s literally nothing going on in the game?

When it’s been five years later and they happen to remember it’s a thing that existed that peopled liked?

How about five minutes before all the servers permanently shut down?

How about when the Sun is just about to go Super Nova?

Oh, I know! How about just before the heat death of the kittening Universe?

Something as vague as “when the time is right” can mean that ANet can NEVER find the time right, and as such, never have to actually release SAB, again, and on the tiniest of technicalities they could claim to not be full of kitten. It’s a bullkitten vague statement so they can worm around having to actually be held accountable.

Christ, at this rate, Half Life 3 is going to be a thing before SAB ever returns.

They have a purpose for it which we do not know. Their resources may have also been tied up elsewhere. They are planning on releasing an expansion, you know. What’s important is that they do intend to bring it back in the future. Before they made that statement, we all had no idea if we would ever get to play it again. They will also not release timelines for reasons that they have already stated.

Gene Archer.8560:

Ayrilana.1396:

They’ve said that they will when the time is right.

Which is a wholly meaningless and worthless statement.

No. It’s a definite yes rather than it being that they will never bring it back. You may not like that there’s not a specific timeline attached to it but that does not mean that it’s a meaningless and worthless statement.

KaosNinja.4967:

so, ArenaNet, no bullkitten no ring-a-round answers. are you going to open the Super Adventure Box again, or should i be demanding a refund for this 600 gem paper weight?

They’ve said that they will when the time is right.

Probably the same one using their alternate accounts to make posts/threads on the same subject.

try: http://www.reddit.com/r/24hoursupport/

Zwieger.3428:

Insensitive? Really? The world today is ridiculous. Every time I turn around something is either racist or insensitive or rude or hurtful. People that want to stop racist, sexist and insensitive things need to stop pointing out every kitten thing that isn’t this. You are leading people to believe things that are harmless are really racist/sexist/insensitive when they are truly not. At all. Get over it. (FFS).

While there is the likelihood that someone may find this offensive, the majority of those posting on here are just playing that card in an attempt to get rid of it. I’ve seen many of them first complain about how annoying the sounds, graphics, etc are without once making a comment about how offensive it is. You’d think that would be the first thing that they would complain about.

Several of them have also never posted before so it makes you wonder if any could be dummy accounts.

Or we’re all Kodan for the day

Dreamslayer.7659:

Ayrilana.1396:

Rose Solane.1027:

pdavis.8031:

knip

I think this is the only response you will recieve about your situation. Such things are not allowed and strictly prohibited.

Anet may choose to be lienient, but such things can certainly result in a ban for all participating members.

Good luck!

The article you quote also forbids guild auctions, guild sweeps and several other guild activities that are used by many guilds. So it is a little bit silly to use this argument. Yes, you are right that this will be ArenaNet’s answer. But that does not make it a good answer.

Chris Cleary.8017:

500G may seem like an entirely arbitrary number, but I guarantee it is not. I took a look at our mail data (believe me, you guys really like mail and there is a lot of data) and set the value based on that. At 500G, it is not only functionally effective, but also it will only impact 0.175% of our players during an entire month’s worth of mails (if an account would hit the restriction once per month/30 days).

Looking more directly at those transactions, a large majority (98.228%) of those mails are being sent by RMT or compromised accounts (after selling off everything of value on an account).

Why are you using % of players and % of mails in above answer? That only confuses most readers. You should have used one or the other. Information that uses this kind of confusing figures are normally a sign of fraud. Coming from someone responsible for security this strikes me as odd.

I am going to log into the game and transfer all the gold in my personal guild bank to my wallet. That is obviously what ArenaNet wants.

That’s a little far fetched conclusion. Percentages are great indicators.

I would like to point out that all accounts are not active. How many accounts are either banned, unused or otherwise not sending mail? I am going to guess at least 50% of global “accounts” are basically inactive either permanently or at least for a long period of time.

This will make the number of affected players seem substantially lower, as a percentage of the player base, than it actually is.

They likely analyzed accounts over a certain timeframe to gather trend data to determine the impact. This is more far fetched than your 50% inactive accounts which you made up based in no given evidence to support it?

Rose Solane.1027:

pdavis.8031:

knip

I think this is the only response you will recieve about your situation. Such things are not allowed and strictly prohibited.

Anet may choose to be lienient, but such things can certainly result in a ban for all participating members.

Good luck!

The article you quote also forbids guild auctions, guild sweeps and several other guild activities that are used by many guilds. So it is a little bit silly to use this argument. Yes, you are right that this will be ArenaNet’s answer. But that does not make it a good answer.

Chris Cleary.8017:

500G may seem like an entirely arbitrary number, but I guarantee it is not. I took a look at our mail data (believe me, you guys really like mail and there is a lot of data) and set the value based on that. At 500G, it is not only functionally effective, but also it will only impact 0.175% of our players during an entire month’s worth of mails (if an account would hit the restriction once per month/30 days).

Looking more directly at those transactions, a large majority (98.228%) of those mails are being sent by RMT or compromised accounts (after selling off everything of value on an account).

Why are you using % of players and % of mails in above answer? That only confuses most readers. You should have used one or the other. Information that uses this kind of confusing figures are normally a sign of fraud. Coming from someone responsible for security this strikes me as odd.

I am going to log into the game and transfer all the gold in my personal guild bank to my wallet. That is obviously what ArenaNet wants.

That’s a little far fetched conclusion. Percentages are great indicators.

pdavis.8031:

Ayrilana.1396:

The hounds go into that room because they’re still following someone. I’ve sat in that room several times and not once has a hound come in on it’s own and go straight towards me.

True, but when there are a bunch of AFK people, the hounds like to stick around, and stay in if a new person comes in. This makes it very hard to even get to the chest.

Yep. We did a couple tier 3 last weekend at it was difficult to get in there to the chest. I probably spent a couple minutes before I was finally able to open it. This would have happened anyway if everyone was rushing in at once or staggered as was in my case. I think it’s just the intended mechanic for it.

I didn’t know it could go to T4 but then I don’t think we ever actively attempted it.

The hounds go into that room because they’re still following someone. I’ve sat in that room several times and not once has a hound come in on it’s own and go straight towards me. Unless you’ve observers otherwise as I’m basing this on two instances. Something should be done about AFK dead players though.

Just place a buy order for Xunlai Ingots or then cancel that buy order. The gold will not be in your wallet. Or place incremental buy orders well below the minimum amount it would take to fill them. For example, place 20 buy orders for Twilight at 100G an order. You can then cancel them in the various increments as you need them.

Works fine for me. Just make sure there’s actual LOS.

Arioch.7432:

from the GW 2 wiki:

“Living World releases were a mix of new story and new features. More recently, new features have been dropped from Living World updates and are now bundled together in releases like the April 2014 Feature Pack.”

Living World – Features = Living Story.

So in this case they are pretty much the same.

Living world was the world progresses as you play. Watch the manifesto YouTube trailer to see what they were talking about. Meta events which impact the map as you progress the story are not the same as actual game updates that add content. The living world that they were referring to was the former.

juniterio.1245:

Would you rather have HoT released without some parts of content you wanted to see in the package (like the hardcore endgame pve content everyone is speculating about) just to be able to play it earlier?

Or they can slowly release it over time through multiple updates… (I’m not being serious)

dsslive.8473:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Apolo.5942:

Honestly, even if they did, why would you bother?, easier to do 4 fractals 3 days, than grind the kittened amounts of materials the accessories/rings etc will need.

-Particle effects
-Stat combinations
-Legendary trinkets
-Don’t like fractals

Those are the 4 most obvious reasons, but I’m sure there are more.

- trinkets dont give off particle effects, being able to craft ascended ones will not change that.

Check again.

Tomes grant levels, not experience. I doubt they’ll impact mastery progression.

Zenith.7301:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Zenith.7301:

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Sorry, what?

What exactly are you trying to say?

Crafting ascended armor isn’t hard, it’s merely timegated. Nor is crafting exotic armor.

You can completely get by the entire game without crafting a single thing, want a legendary? Craft. Is it needed? No.

Exotic gear is more than viable which you can acquire multiple ways.

I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say with your thread.

Crafting ascended armor isn’t hard. It is disgustingly costly. Or you can farm for countless hours for the cloth if you’d rather not spend 12-13g per bolt of damask for a single armor piece that uses up 10 bolts of damask.

Any way you cut it, ascended armor is far more costly than ascended weapons, which are a much more of an impact on your character.

Just by running dungeons you can easily get the gold for 1 damask cloth + more a day, you don’t even need to do all the dungeon paths either, just the easy ones like AC, TA, CoE & CoF.

That right there is a good 15g plus what you get from drops.

Then there’s world bosses you can throw into the mix as well.

Lol the average dungeon tour is about 20g so nearly 2 bolts of damask per day. You need 10 bolts. So 5 days of farming dungeons for a single piece.

And unless people play like you where they have time for a dungeon tour, let’s set aside 1.5-2 hours for that. 40 minutes for your fractal 50 run.

Maybe you can pull 3 hours of play a day, but most people ain’t squeezing world bosses into that.

3-4 days for chest, 3 days for pants, around 2 days for the other 4. 2 weeks of all out farming. For far inferior returns than what you invest and get from ascended weapons.

If you’re saying 120g worth of mats compared to the <5g it takes for an exotic for a marginal increase over an exotic is anything more than a gold gate for high level fractals and just one more gold sink in the game, you’re not being honest.

And to add that it costs roughly 10G to craft it yourself so they can actually get enough materials for two bolts in a single dungeon tour.

Found this on reddit.

If you absolutely need to keep your gold out of your wallet, place a buy order for Xunlai Ingots. They’re currently not available in the game yet. The only risk you’d have is if they spontaneously added jeweler 500 to the game. If you’re worried about that then place the buy order and cancel it. The gold will just sit there waiting to picked up.

I’m likely going to have to take a large chunk out of my projected profit to sell my last two remaining legendary weapons. Lately people have been creating and selling them like crazy. However, despite all of this, I am against any change in the current system regarding the listing fee. It’s there for a reason.

Does magic find (account, boosters, etc), other than the perseverance buff, affect loot from the lost bandit chests?

I also checked the official Guild Wars store and Steam to compare prices. The full game will cost you $50 from both sites.

Or it could just be a random bush that was not intentionally based on anything in real life.

Bishop.7140:

I thought full gw games includs all three.

Unless the description specifically says so then no.

You’re also going the better route as the platinum edition is the same price as you would have paid for EotN and the bonuses are worth it for new players.

Bishop.7140:

ALERT ALERT!
I was tricked by Anet!!!!

so I thought the platium edition and thinking it is for all the games including eye of the north.
WRONG.
I brought the game and find out it only gives the first one and the eye of the north and not factions and nightfall

I should have brought the trilogy and eye of the north seperately instead.
Cry Cry.
This makes me feel like the first time Im buying insurance.
WHY WHY
im not a smart customer after all.

You were not tricked. Read what you are buying and what is included before making purchases.

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

I refer you to this post:

John Smith.4610:

wwwes.1398:

John Smith.4610:

There isn’t such thing is some accounts getting stuck lucky. Yes there’s an RNG, yes it’s random and there are streaks and outliers and an even aggregate distribution.

Can you confirm whether it is an RNG that uses some sort of value from the user’s account or whether it is purely random/session based? I have a friend who swears that smack-talking an anet dev during a beta weekend pvp match doomed his account to poor rng for life.

Absolutely it does not use anything to do with a user.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/I-have-a-question-about-the-economy/page/15#post4487484

Yes, there are things that could be done that can help minimize the negative impression that RNG/grind put onto players while also accomplishing the goals that Anet have. I believe Silverwastes is a good example.

But everyone knows that quote to be pointless. RNG as a mechanism has no bearing alone and must have other factors to interact to funtion. Magic Find (which is based on the user’s account) is one of those factors. We also have other examples where certain batches of players have been effected by issues or bugs (whatever you prefer to call them)while others are not. That also shows that all accounts are not equal when RNG reacts to them.

Point being we know without a doubt that there are differences in accounts. Now the RNG in of itself may not have issues, but it has to interact with our accounts which do. That creates inequalities as RNG essentially does not exist when not interacting with our accounts.

Do you have evidence to support this? Anet has stated that there isn’t such a thing as some accounts getting stuck lucky or unlucky. If you believe otherwise, present your quantitative evidence.

That’s not what I said now is it? I said that different accounts have different magic find. When RNG interacts with that magic find (which is different for each account) it produces different results. It’s the whole underlying premise of magic find. Therefore the statement of " RNG doesn’t use anything of the user" is meaningless as RNG in of itself is meaningless until it interacts with our accounts (which again have variation).

That said….in the same thread……(if I recall right..the very next comment)…I noted that JS missed the correlation between a “stuck account” and an “outlier”. An outlier is essentially a stuck account till the time in which it is no longer an outlier. Basically the two are one in the same. It would be like saying “We don’t have weapons, but we have things to hit people with.”, which ofc doesn’t hold water.

Oh. I assumed that magic find influencing your probability was a given and if you go to the post that I had linked, you would see that the poster he was addressing wasn’t referring to magic find but some numerical factor, or whatever, which influences various accounts. I guess the context was lost when I quoted.

An outlier (lower end in this case) is just the outcome of being on the undesirable end in regards to probability. Absent MF, everyone has the same chance to be in that very position. So being stuck/outlier really has no bearing because of this as all accounts are equal.

Guhracie.3419:

I really hate doing this, but Ayrilana, that’s not how it happened. You said that they said it was off the table, and that wasn’t a definitive statement.

Yes, I did. Crafting (and equipping) legendary weapons currently are not on the table at this time for me. This doesn’t mean that I’ll never craft and equip them.

Guhracie.3419:

I asked you how saying something is off the table isn’t a definitive statement, and you made your argument for why it isn’t.

Yes, I did. I also gave an example like I just did above.

Guhracie.3419:

Then when your argument didn’t hold up, you changed the entire landscape of the argument. You changed it to be that not confirming if something IS or IS NOT on the table is not a definitive statement, and that’s absolutely true.

I didn’t change my argument. I still stood by it. What I did was present another argument that was similar to highlight what I was arguing. Hence the new races thing.

The second sentence quoted was an entirely new argument outside of what I was originally saying. This argument was me saying that the absence of a response does not mean one way or another.

Guhracie.3419:

But your original statement was “They said an expansion was not on the table, which is not a definitive statement.” When, in fact, it is.

Like I’ve said already in this post, the two were separate arguments. One was regarding something having been said for one side or another while another regarding the absence of anything having ever been said for one side or another..

EDIT: You’ll love this one.

So I did some research into on/off the table and it’s meaning. It appears that I did use it incorrectly and the way I was taught was wrong. Off the table means that it’s no longer being considered so you were correct in it’s meaning and I was creating confusion arguing otherwise rather than the topic on hand. I apologize for that.

However, my intention with my argument was that they never said that it was not an option. I had been saying this before we got to discussing. Essence’s post that he graciously linked to a thread which then linked to an article show that they still may do it as they had not definitely said that they wouldn’t.

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

I refer you to this post:

John Smith.4610:

wwwes.1398:

John Smith.4610:

There isn’t such thing is some accounts getting stuck lucky. Yes there’s an RNG, yes it’s random and there are streaks and outliers and an even aggregate distribution.

Can you confirm whether it is an RNG that uses some sort of value from the user’s account or whether it is purely random/session based? I have a friend who swears that smack-talking an anet dev during a beta weekend pvp match doomed his account to poor rng for life.

Absolutely it does not use anything to do with a user.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/I-have-a-question-about-the-economy/page/15#post4487484

Yes, there are things that could be done that can help minimize the negative impression that RNG/grind put onto players while also accomplishing the goals that Anet have. I believe Silverwastes is a good example.

But everyone knows that quote to be pointless. RNG as a mechanism has no bearing alone and must have other factors to interact to funtion. Magic Find (which is based on the user’s account) is one of those factors. We also have other examples where certain batches of players have been effected by issues or bugs (whatever you prefer to call them)while others are not. That also shows that all accounts are not equal when RNG reacts to them.

Point being we know without a doubt that there are differences in accounts. Now the RNG in of itself may not have issues, but it has to interact with our accounts which do. That creates inequalities as RNG essentially does not exist when not interacting with our accounts.

Do you have evidence to support this? Anet has stated that there isn’t such a thing as some accounts getting stuck lucky or unlucky. If you believe otherwise, present your quantitative evidence.

Astralporing.1957:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

When did they say it was?

You seem to be switching goalposts with a vengeance, and comparing different things handwaving the differences.
No, not saying some thing is considered is not the same as saying it is not considered. And at the time they mentioned precursor scavenger hunt and new legendaries, they also specifically said they are not working on an expansion, and that they plan to release all future content throughout Living World platform.

It was all to make a point.

Guhracie had said that since Anet didn’t have an expansion on the table, this meant it was a definitive no regarding them doing one. In my playable races statement, I took the same approach as him and said that since they said it was not on the table, that it wouldn’t happen. By his reasoning, since it was off the table, that would be a definitive no that they would not do it.

I was also hoping that someone would call me out on whether or not Anet said it was off the table so I could then ask when did they ever say it was on the table. This was because I wanted to make a point that because even if they didn’t say something wasn’t on the table, doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Silence is not necessarily an affirmation.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

When did they say it was?

Dante.1763:

Man i miss all the good stuff…what exactly is this abuse though? i dont go to reddit..

Players from different servers team up and use aoe fields/retaliation to tag each other for mass kills.

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

I wonder if it had to do with that detailed reddit guide on how to farm OS and the fear it would become rampant this weekend.

I refer you to this post:

John Smith.4610:

wwwes.1398:

John Smith.4610:

There isn’t such thing is some accounts getting stuck lucky. Yes there’s an RNG, yes it’s random and there are streaks and outliers and an even aggregate distribution.

Can you confirm whether it is an RNG that uses some sort of value from the user’s account or whether it is purely random/session based? I have a friend who swears that smack-talking an anet dev during a beta weekend pvp match doomed his account to poor rng for life.

Absolutely it does not use anything to do with a user.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/I-have-a-question-about-the-economy/page/15#post4487484

Yes, there are things that could be done that can help minimize the negative impression that RNG/grind put onto players while also accomplishing the goals that Anet have. I believe Silverwastes is a good example.

Anyandrell.6238:

RoRo.8270:

The faster you get what you want the faster you quit which is why rng is in place

Not really. Most of the time, the faster you’re frustrated the faster you quit. Now if you’re fully decked and don’t want/need anything anymore, maybe – but that should take a long time.

I’m one of the kitteny RNG accounts. When I first came back to the game (back in September of last year) I was getting decent exotic drops. Since the patch with the NPE – barely any, maybe (and that is maybe) once a week I might get an exotic. Result? For now I still log in when daily comes out, do it and log off. Today I almost didn’t even log in. No reason why anymore. Same ol’ same ol’ stuff, same glitches, same runs, same no luck. Due to all the changes, Since beginning of January I stopped buying gems, from the $20-$50 gems a month I used to. I just got some gems with gold. Bought shadow dyes and didn’t get a single one. RNG. I got better things to do than farm 3-4 hours for 25 bolts of silk. Yep. I’m one of those Western consumers, if it’s fun, I do it, if it isn’t … oh well. Right? I even started reconsidering buying HoT right now.

Both RNG and grind prolongs the lifespan of content. There are also other factors such as how loot is done in the game compared to others that make RNG and grind even more important.

When you said “RNG accounts” are you referring to accounts that are inherently unlucky and can never be changed? To phrase in another way, you means accounts that are forever doomed to never get any good drops, because of some factor outside of the players’ control, that has to do with something specific regarding their accounts.

Guhracie.3419:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

No, but when you argue the precise wording of the exact statements to death, even when the intent is extremely easy to extrapolate, it’s really not worth engaging with you about it. It wasn’t an UNINTENDED preview. They were blog posts and forum discussions. It was clearly stated multiple times that Living Story was meant to replace the need for expansions. And none of the features they touted in those blog posts were ever released as gemstore items.

Yeah, things change. I’m not arguing that. I’m not arguing that an expansion has to have its own set of cool features to make sure people want to buy it. I’m not arguing that this is a company, not a charity, and that they have to make money. They deliver a beautiful product and should make money. But precursor crafting was touted as being an answer to the issues that come from RNG precursor drops, and now that answer is only going to apply to a certain portion of players. So go get informed. But if you come at me with the argument that “it wasn’t clear what they meant” I’m going to laugh and disregard anything further you have to say on the subject.

Where’d they state that living story was supposed to replace the need for expansions? All we ever saw from them was that an expansion was not on the table. This was not a definitive answer.

The unintended preview that I was talking about were the parts that showed hints of a legendary scavenger hunt. There was no blog post or anything specifically about what we saw. I believe we kind of saw that in the demonstration about ascended crafting, chat codes, or something else. I can’t remember exactly. What I do know is that there was no blogpost about them like the one we saw this week. All we saw about precursor crafting was that they were working on it.

Precursor crafting was touted as being the answer to RNG drops? That would mean that they believe that something was inherently wrong with their old system which I don’t remember them saying. Please point me to a post that specifically says that RNG drops, or the MF, was wrong. All they did was provide another option for players in acquiring precursors who did not want to rely on RNG or the MF. This doesn’t mean that the current system is wrong.

The new precursor crafting will apply to the majority of the player base.

In what universe is “expansions are not on the table” NOT a definitive statement?

Linsey Murdoch discusses the precursor building as a “scavenger hunt” in this post , and I’m really not going to do any more digging in order to show you proof of things just to have you close your eyes and ignore them. We clearly have different understandings of things like “what words mean,” so I’m done with this.

Because it’s not. There’s a difference between something not on the table and something not ever going to happen. On the table means that it’s currently being discussed and considered. If it’s not on the table then it may or may not happen but they have not definitively decided either direction. I do agree that we have a difference in what words mean. I go by what is listed in the dictionary and how words/phrases are commonly used.

I’m aware of that post. It was not what I was referring to that I stated in my post. What I was referring to, now that I can search on a PC, was along the lines of this:

EDIT: And here

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1qha6v/chat_codes_the_nightmares_within

Speculation but what if they added jeweler 500 with the expansion and it was this that was used to upgrade the various forms of the precursors? They may also include recipes to make items such as the preserved queen bee as there is really little need to craft ascended trinkets.

Leo G.4501:

So is it fair to say just pick what is most fun? They both do different things as well as capable of doing high DPS.

If you go WvW or PvP you’re going to see the same thing…they do different things well and can put a hurting on people if played right.

Yes. I’d pick whichever you feel that you would have the most fun playing. You can even play both too as many of us play multiple classes depending on what we’re in the mood for.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

lordkrall.7241:

I keep seeing people mention that we were promised precursor crafting and new legendaries for free.
I never recall such a statement.
The only thing they ever said was that it was planned for 2013 (which was later, before the end of 2013, postponed). As far as I am aware they did never in any way or form claim that it would be a free addition.

you are lawyering and loopholing

the intention was clear. At that time they had not charged for any update, even living story.
It was meant to be a regular update at no cost. Dont pretend here. And it should logically be one. The issue it was created to solve, is a flaw in the core system, not the expansion area.

Have they ever stated that all updates would be free for all time and not subject to change? No. Players just made the assumption that all updates would be for free. The system they had back at the end of 2013 (we had an unintended preview) isn’t the same as what we saw in the blogpost. It looks like they changed it when they decided to implement collections and the upcoming mastery system. It’s pretty evident that Mawdrey and Luminescent armor were tests.

Expansions are part of MMO’s and many single player games. It’s common knowledge (or I thought it was until now) that players will have to buy them in order to experience the new content and features. Only a very small minority will not and would prefer to get everything for free.

It’s also debatable that the current method was a flaw in the system. Have they ever stated that it was or are you making another assumption? Just because they decided to add another method of acquisition does not mean the current system was flawed. They were just enhancing the process of getting precursors by giving players another option.

you are just lawyering, look im not trying to win a legal case, or provide an incontrovertible logical proof.

You know, i know, and anet knows.
Precursor crafting was created because as early as 2 months after the game came out, it became apparent that many players were unsatisfied with precursor aquisition. There was a long thread, devs commented there

then they talked about having a solution ready by the end of the year, price was never mentioned or implied.

dont pretend that this was always the plan, or was intended. It is clear that this was at one time supposed to be part of a regular update. Its also extremely clear it was developed because the normal aquisition was not loved.

If you want to make an argument in their favor, say plans change, they need things to make the expansion attractive, or whatever, but its really quite a stretch to say that this was always supposed to be a paid service, or that it wasnt put in place because of player dissatisfaction with the old system.

So if someone bases their argument on assumptions, and are called out on it, the ones who called them out are just lawyering? Is that really the state of things now?

Its lawyering because its readily apparent what the spirit of what was said is.

its like if a guy says he wants someone to be his girlfriend,

then when he gets caught with another girl he says they never discussed whether it was an open relationship or not.

sure, you can find a loophole, he didnt literally get caught lying, but everyone knows what was really meant.

And thats the point, just because you cannot convict someone of a crime, does not mean they are innnocent.

You know how many other arguments people make can be refuted with that logic by simply saying that they’re lawyering? Nowhere did they state that all updates would be free. It’s also assumed that the vast majority of players will buy the expansion so it was not them trying to pull one over on players by including it with the expansion. Having the precursor be part of the expansion has no impact of the majority of the player base as expansions are a part of MMO’s.

Sometimes, the spirit of what was said is clear, and people will hold you to the spirit of what you say, and not just the literal meanings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law

You do realize the differences between what the Wikipedia article is referring to and this situation, right?

Do you realize the similarities?

The spirit and intention are the same thing. Please elaborate exactly how you believe what you linked applies to your argument.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

lordkrall.7241:

I keep seeing people mention that we were promised precursor crafting and new legendaries for free.
I never recall such a statement.
The only thing they ever said was that it was planned for 2013 (which was later, before the end of 2013, postponed). As far as I am aware they did never in any way or form claim that it would be a free addition.

you are lawyering and loopholing

the intention was clear. At that time they had not charged for any update, even living story.
It was meant to be a regular update at no cost. Dont pretend here. And it should logically be one. The issue it was created to solve, is a flaw in the core system, not the expansion area.

Have they ever stated that all updates would be free for all time and not subject to change? No. Players just made the assumption that all updates would be for free. The system they had back at the end of 2013 (we had an unintended preview) isn’t the same as what we saw in the blogpost. It looks like they changed it when they decided to implement collections and the upcoming mastery system. It’s pretty evident that Mawdrey and Luminescent armor were tests.

Expansions are part of MMO’s and many single player games. It’s common knowledge (or I thought it was until now) that players will have to buy them in order to experience the new content and features. Only a very small minority will not and would prefer to get everything for free.

It’s also debatable that the current method was a flaw in the system. Have they ever stated that it was or are you making another assumption? Just because they decided to add another method of acquisition does not mean the current system was flawed. They were just enhancing the process of getting precursors by giving players another option.

you are just lawyering, look im not trying to win a legal case, or provide an incontrovertible logical proof.

You know, i know, and anet knows.
Precursor crafting was created because as early as 2 months after the game came out, it became apparent that many players were unsatisfied with precursor aquisition. There was a long thread, devs commented there

then they talked about having a solution ready by the end of the year, price was never mentioned or implied.

dont pretend that this was always the plan, or was intended. It is clear that this was at one time supposed to be part of a regular update. Its also extremely clear it was developed because the normal aquisition was not loved.

If you want to make an argument in their favor, say plans change, they need things to make the expansion attractive, or whatever, but its really quite a stretch to say that this was always supposed to be a paid service, or that it wasnt put in place because of player dissatisfaction with the old system.

So if someone bases their argument on assumptions, and are called out on it, the ones who called them out are just lawyering? Is that really the state of things now?

Its lawyering because its readily apparent what the spirit of what was said is.

its like if a guy says he wants someone to be his girlfriend,

then when he gets caught with another girl he says they never discussed whether it was an open relationship or not.

sure, you can find a loophole, he didnt literally get caught lying, but everyone knows what was really meant.

And thats the point, just because you cannot convict someone of a crime, does not mean they are innnocent.

You know how many other arguments people make can be refuted with that logic by simply saying that they’re lawyering? Nowhere did they state that all updates would be free. It’s also assumed that the vast majority of players will buy the expansion so it was not them trying to pull one over on players by including it with the expansion. Having the precursor be part of the expansion has no impact of the majority of the player base as expansions are a part of MMO’s.

Sometimes, the spirit of what was said is clear, and people will hold you to the spirit of what you say, and not just the literal meanings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law

You do realize the differences between what the Wikipedia article is referring to and this situation, right?

Rauderi.8706:

Ayrilana.1396:

~snip~

Forgive me, but you’re arguing about arguing. There’s absolutely no substance in this line of reasoning, and it adds nothing to the thread.

A thread where we should be very happy for the precursor acquisition we’ve been waiting for.
Should it have been sooner? Yes. Very much yes.
Was there some mystical contract that said “Legendaries must be fixed” and “there will be no expansions”? Obviously not. But to ignore prior statements without solid communication is just sloppy business, something ANet has a reputation for, by this point.
Will it be bundled with HOT? Actually, we don’t know the specifics yet, so arguing that is irrelevant. If I were handling it, I’d release the older legendaries’ collections as an addition to the base game, along with the trait redesign and some of the masteries. Anything new after that would be a part of the expansion, or at least include expansion components.

The time for “should have” has passed anyway, and we’re getting a new content structure that’s actually encouraging.

Have you read the rest of this thread? Some people are arguing that Anet was wrong to include precursor crafting in the expansion rather than a separate, free update. Their line of reasoning was that since it was announced two years ago, when no news of an expansion had been announced, it should have been free.

It’s not wrong to counter their arguments. The ones making accusations are the ones that turned this thread away from being joyous that we were getting it. I stated earlier that this was not on the same topic as the OP but someone countered my claim with some line of reasoning that since a form of precursor was announced two years ago, this off shoot discussion was warranted. Believe me, I don’t feel that this discussion should be in this thread but in a new one like you. Others disagreed.

Guhracie.3419:

No, but when you argue the precise wording of the exact statements to death, even when the intent is extremely easy to extrapolate, it’s really not worth engaging with you about it. It wasn’t an UNINTENDED preview. They were blog posts and forum discussions. It was clearly stated multiple times that Living Story was meant to replace the need for expansions. And none of the features they touted in those blog posts were ever released as gemstore items.

Yeah, things change. I’m not arguing that. I’m not arguing that an expansion has to have its own set of cool features to make sure people want to buy it. I’m not arguing that this is a company, not a charity, and that they have to make money. They deliver a beautiful product and should make money. But precursor crafting was touted as being an answer to the issues that come from RNG precursor drops, and now that answer is only going to apply to a certain portion of players. So go get informed. But if you come at me with the argument that “it wasn’t clear what they meant” I’m going to laugh and disregard anything further you have to say on the subject.

Where’d they state that living story was supposed to replace the need for expansions? All we ever saw from them was that an expansion was not on the table. This was not a definitive answer.

The unintended preview that I was talking about were the parts that showed hints of a legendary scavenger hunt. There was no blog post or anything specifically about what we saw. I believe we kind of saw that in the demonstration about ascended crafting, chat codes, or something else. I can’t remember exactly. What I do know is that there was no blogpost about them like the one we saw this week. All we saw about precursor crafting was that they were working on it.

Precursor crafting was touted as being the answer to RNG drops? That would mean that they believe that something was inherently wrong with their old system which I don’t remember them saying. Please point me to a post that specifically says that RNG drops, or the MF, was wrong. All they did was provide another option for players in acquiring precursors who did not want to rely on RNG or the MF. This doesn’t mean that the current system is wrong.

The new precursor crafting will apply to the majority of the player base.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

lordkrall.7241:

I keep seeing people mention that we were promised precursor crafting and new legendaries for free.
I never recall such a statement.
The only thing they ever said was that it was planned for 2013 (which was later, before the end of 2013, postponed). As far as I am aware they did never in any way or form claim that it would be a free addition.

you are lawyering and loopholing

the intention was clear. At that time they had not charged for any update, even living story.
It was meant to be a regular update at no cost. Dont pretend here. And it should logically be one. The issue it was created to solve, is a flaw in the core system, not the expansion area.

Have they ever stated that all updates would be free for all time and not subject to change? No. Players just made the assumption that all updates would be for free. The system they had back at the end of 2013 (we had an unintended preview) isn’t the same as what we saw in the blogpost. It looks like they changed it when they decided to implement collections and the upcoming mastery system. It’s pretty evident that Mawdrey and Luminescent armor were tests.

Expansions are part of MMO’s and many single player games. It’s common knowledge (or I thought it was until now) that players will have to buy them in order to experience the new content and features. Only a very small minority will not and would prefer to get everything for free.

It’s also debatable that the current method was a flaw in the system. Have they ever stated that it was or are you making another assumption? Just because they decided to add another method of acquisition does not mean the current system was flawed. They were just enhancing the process of getting precursors by giving players another option.

you are just lawyering, look im not trying to win a legal case, or provide an incontrovertible logical proof.

You know, i know, and anet knows.
Precursor crafting was created because as early as 2 months after the game came out, it became apparent that many players were unsatisfied with precursor aquisition. There was a long thread, devs commented there

then they talked about having a solution ready by the end of the year, price was never mentioned or implied.

dont pretend that this was always the plan, or was intended. It is clear that this was at one time supposed to be part of a regular update. Its also extremely clear it was developed because the normal aquisition was not loved.

If you want to make an argument in their favor, say plans change, they need things to make the expansion attractive, or whatever, but its really quite a stretch to say that this was always supposed to be a paid service, or that it wasnt put in place because of player dissatisfaction with the old system.

So if someone bases their argument on assumptions, and are called out on it, the ones who called them out are just lawyering? Is that really the state of things now?

Its lawyering because its readily apparent what the spirit of what was said is.

its like if a guy says he wants someone to be his girlfriend,

then when he gets caught with another girl he says they never discussed whether it was an open relationship or not.

sure, you can find a loophole, he didnt literally get caught lying, but everyone knows what was really meant.

And thats the point, just because you cannot convict someone of a crime, does not mean they are innnocent.

You know how many other arguments people make can be refuted with that logic by simply saying that they’re lawyering? Nowhere did they state that all updates would be free. It’s also assumed that the vast majority of players will buy the expansion so it was not them trying to pull one over on players by including it with the expansion. Having the precursor be part of the expansion has no impact of the majority of the player base as expansions are a part of MMO’s.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

lordkrall.7241:

I keep seeing people mention that we were promised precursor crafting and new legendaries for free.
I never recall such a statement.
The only thing they ever said was that it was planned for 2013 (which was later, before the end of 2013, postponed). As far as I am aware they did never in any way or form claim that it would be a free addition.

you are lawyering and loopholing

the intention was clear. At that time they had not charged for any update, even living story.
It was meant to be a regular update at no cost. Dont pretend here. And it should logically be one. The issue it was created to solve, is a flaw in the core system, not the expansion area.

Have they ever stated that all updates would be free for all time and not subject to change? No. Players just made the assumption that all updates would be for free. The system they had back at the end of 2013 (we had an unintended preview) isn’t the same as what we saw in the blogpost. It looks like they changed it when they decided to implement collections and the upcoming mastery system. It’s pretty evident that Mawdrey and Luminescent armor were tests.

Expansions are part of MMO’s and many single player games. It’s common knowledge (or I thought it was until now) that players will have to buy them in order to experience the new content and features. Only a very small minority will not and would prefer to get everything for free.

It’s also debatable that the current method was a flaw in the system. Have they ever stated that it was or are you making another assumption? Just because they decided to add another method of acquisition does not mean the current system was flawed. They were just enhancing the process of getting precursors by giving players another option.

you are just lawyering, look im not trying to win a legal case, or provide an incontrovertible logical proof.

You know, i know, and anet knows.
Precursor crafting was created because as early as 2 months after the game came out, it became apparent that many players were unsatisfied with precursor aquisition. There was a long thread, devs commented there

then they talked about having a solution ready by the end of the year, price was never mentioned or implied.

dont pretend that this was always the plan, or was intended. It is clear that this was at one time supposed to be part of a regular update. Its also extremely clear it was developed because the normal aquisition was not loved.

If you want to make an argument in their favor, say plans change, they need things to make the expansion attractive, or whatever, but its really quite a stretch to say that this was always supposed to be a paid service, or that it wasnt put in place because of player dissatisfaction with the old system.

So if someone bases their argument on assumptions, and are called out on it, the ones who called them out are just lawyering? Is that really the state of things now?

Please let me know if I’m interpreting what you’re saying incorrectly. This is just the first impression that I got.

phys.7689:

lordkrall.7241:

I keep seeing people mention that we were promised precursor crafting and new legendaries for free.
I never recall such a statement.
The only thing they ever said was that it was planned for 2013 (which was later, before the end of 2013, postponed). As far as I am aware they did never in any way or form claim that it would be a free addition.

you are lawyering and loopholing

the intention was clear. At that time they had not charged for any update, even living story.
It was meant to be a regular update at no cost. Dont pretend here. And it should logically be one. The issue it was created to solve, is a flaw in the core system, not the expansion area.

Have they ever stated that all updates would be free for all time and not subject to change? No. Players just made the assumption that all updates would be for free. The system they had back at the end of 2013 (we had an unintended preview) isn’t the same as what we saw in the blogpost. It looks like they changed it when they decided to implement collections and the upcoming mastery system. It’s pretty evident that Mawdrey and Luminescent armor were tests.

Expansions are part of MMO’s and many single player games. It’s common knowledge (or I thought it was until now) that players will have to buy them in order to experience the new content and features. Only a very small minority will not and would prefer to get everything for free.

It’s also debatable that the current method was a flaw in the system. Have they ever stated that it was or are you making another assumption? Just because they decided to add another method of acquisition does not mean the current system was flawed. They were just enhancing the process of getting precursors by giving players another option.

Eirian Direstorm.9748:

Just a side note about the “dancing with Queen Jennah” being about the mini: the mini is part of the one-year birthday reward for each character, but they are account bound. I now have 2. So either that’s a placeholder or those are not going to be the hard to get ingredients, except insofar as requiring a character over 1 year-old.

It’s been confirmed to be a placeholder. They’re likely using them to hide what the actual items/tasks will be other than the hints given already in the blog