This patch changes nothing at all. All major issues with classes are not addressed by “balancing” my kitten team. Power creep still alive and does well.
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I’m sorry but right now I’m getting the same feeling from people in this thread that I do from the Guardian forums when they whine about how weak and non-survivable their own class has gotten.
You have access to double heals. If you hate the Glint heal so much, don’t use Glint and branch out a little. If you can’t think of another legend to play or the loss of a single skill ruins the entire game for you, then go outside and get a little perspective.
This is a game. The meta evolves on purpose to keep the game interesting, if you want to stagnate be my guest. Be miserable about a minor change while the rest of the world absolutely does not care.
And where is guardian now? Is it meta? And if where it is? In spvp? Hes a pug stomper, i smile evitime i see dh on enemy team. Raids? I have much better options for support and tanking. Most likely you didnt realize that all of rev heals are terrible shiro one being the worst offender (in fact its not even healing skill..)
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Problem i have with staff is too high cd’s. All other weapons except shield for obvious reason has much lower cd’s with 15s being top. Staff 2 doesnt work quite well either as it takes too long to cast and too much energy for daze strike.
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Dat discussion. I would like to add ripositng shadows is completely useless vs ward rings (guard hammer 5, lb 5, dragon maw) and slick shoes. There is nothing easier than do slick shoes while rev is in ua and burst him down – 2 stacks of stab means nothing here really. We dont really have emergercy buttons outside of Glint heal but some ppl obviously dont give a kitten about it.
And to the guy talking about shield.. no, i dont have one. I run base rev atm and thats something i plan to run in season 2 ranked and troll everyone.
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Don’t forget that all weapon skills cost energy.
Swapping just give rev access to more possible skills, not more damage like CD based weapon as other classes do.
It gives us much more sustain, a bit too much actually to the point where they have to nerf everything around now. The only reason why we dont get more damage yet is due to the fact that we have only one dps weapon which is sword. That will change with elite spec that contains gs.
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Pretty much everyone runs melee let it be dungeons, raids, fractals. You could swap always swap before x encounter to hammer and be done with it if you needed ranged. D/d ele was fine without ranged option but some idiots (idiot on K) was keep talking that they do have range option – water auto ahahahah. ’
Generally speaking rev is already specialized heavy into melee as you never leave sword and if you do you pick up staff. In pve for breakbar, in pvp for interrupts, minor condi cleanse and additional block. Also spear – 2 auto attacks, one for melee and one for ranged. Thats a nice solution.
As for your question i believe rev would be in much better balanced spot and all the nerfs which was done wouldnt happen. Rev without wep swap was quite balanced as you couldnt chain blocks and evades for days. It would also raise skill ceiling which atm is quite..low. For herald anyway, base rev is hard as f to play to be effective with it.
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Adrenal health should be changed to heal on the adrenaline spent . Camping on it is a bad and outdated desing that in the end they removed from all traits except this one that has right now absolutely no synergy with CI or berserker power.
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This might seem potentially like an oversight and it might, but at the same time people don’t seem to understand that rev utility skills are effectively weapon skills as well thanks to Energy. If we use a lot of utils, we’re stuck auto-attacking, so the choice to weapon swap or legend swap is effectively the same. The only real reason Rev needed weapon swap at all is because w/o it we have no serious range attack options, which the game isn’t balanced for.
If they removed sigils proccing from legend swap, I wouldn’t disagree with the change, but I think at the same time they’d also need to evaluate energy use and how often revs are even actually using their weapon skills.
Question is.. do we really have any ranged option anymore? Wep swap was mistake and we keep paying for it now. Its just beginning for nerfs and in the end… Noone use hammer outside of wvw “2” spammers or casual pve in open maps cus its trash weapon that gets nerfed futher. Imo they should get rid of weapon swap as rev was never designed for it in the first place. I rather have few but strong abilities than bunch of kitten i dont use at all.
And the most fun fact is that people who been crying for wep swap are gone now haha. No words. I loved that bs about “lack of synergy” between weapons and legends..
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Not at all. With the upcoming nerf this skill pet is actually far better than ua in terms of damage without mentioning other stuff as insta cast. Just for science
Smokescale UA – 844/926 x5 (4220/4630 total) . 20/16 cd, 750 range, 300 radius, no windup animation
Rev UA – 663×5 with berserker ammy+str runes (3315 total), 12cd, 450 range&radius (easier to make it useless in teamfight), 3/4s casttime, interrupted goes on full cd.
I guess pet is supposed to deal more damage with my own skill than me as a player. Yep, seems legit
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Here is a vid of this. I hope it get fixed asap as it causes majority of my fights to be lost when i cant do a kitten. Really gamebreaking. Most likely it also happen when we run invocation line and swap legend under cc (knockbac, launch) with impossible odds up. Will take a look later.
Mender is a junk cus you have no toughness. You will struggle already to stay alive with cleric ammy+durability runes. 3,3k toughness.. Now imagine staying alive with 2,1k. Tablet has to go and scaling on ventari skills needs to be buffed+selfheal and stunbreak added.
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Defiant stance was never used cus of the fact it has casttime which always made it useless due to how predicable it was. Glint will share the same fate now.
They are only adding cast time to facet activation..not heal..completely different story..
Not completely. I usually run with facet on all the time for regen either way but if youre cced and have no energy for stunbreak and glint on cd its gg. I cant say how often i activated it under cc due to op slick shoes. That is no longer an option and it will hurt badly
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Champion shadow my kitten. I got that title by playing p/p in unranked and nuking ppl down. That doesnt make me good by any means, even more by that fact that i have no idea how to play thief outside of cheese d/p cus its faceroll and in fact anyone can play it… I got one friend playing s/d dd you might want to duel if youre on eu with the condi rev.
Removing cripple/chill/immo on dodge already leaves space to remove some damaging condition for resolution. So does inf strike but in case of d/p theres another trait to remove condi in stealth..
And who plays power reaper nowdays? Like really..show me any serious reaper playing power. All reapers are condi. Power reaper is not even a thing to consider cus anything will run over it.
Condi rev has no coverage. All you apply is torment, confusion, burn, some chill here and there and thats about it. Thief wont have any issues getting rid of it just by evading and hitting like a truck back.
hahaha my friend. You should check my vide channel and twitch then
Champ shadow means they know a thing or 2 about thief.
So i know a thing or 2 about thief? Well always something! Legendary champions knows their kitten too, like turning around with keyboard or clicking skills. As for the vids ill pass..
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Champion shadow my kitten. I got that title by playing p/p in unranked and nuking ppl down. That doesnt make me good by any means, even more by that fact that i have no idea how to play thief outside of cheese d/p cus its faceroll and in fact anyone can play it… I got one friend playing s/d dd you might want to duel if youre on eu with the condi rev.
Removing cripple/chill/immo on dodge already leaves space to remove some damaging condition for resolution. So does inf strike but in case of d/p theres another trait to remove condi in stealth..
And who plays power reaper nowdays? Like really..show me any serious reaper playing power. All reapers are condi. Power reaper is not even a thing to consider cus anything will run over it.
Condi rev has no coverage. All you apply is torment, confusion, burn, some chill here and there and thats about it. Thief wont have any issues getting rid of it just by evading and hitting like a truck back.
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Something that fits rev black-red theme.. Twilight. Oh wait……
I am waiting for new sword and hammer to show up (most likely i wot bother with hammer tho as they deleted it from pvp..). Sword is something you will always use unless we get elite spec with gs but it wont happen anytime soon as most likely next elite will be condi oriented.
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You will always pick up Shiro over Jalis due to mobility unless next elite spec will have a decent access to mobility as well. For me its kinda sad that i am forced into herald to be competive. Sure, i can faceroll noobs with base rev but thats about it. Elite specs should be alternative playstyles/expanding a role but not mandatory like they are now.
Were at the point where builds matters much more than invidual skill
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Yep, thats why people consider thief to be hard counter to reaper. Due to being weak to condi /shrug
As for escapes thief can just pop invis, shadowstep away and be far far away while you still wondering where he is. Revenant is visible where he goes and outside of riposting shadows we dont really have any real escapes. If someone decide to get you, he will. So much facepalm here. Go 1v1 a decent daredevil with condi rev and tell me how well you did really.
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Defiant stance was never used cus of the fact it has casttime which always made it useless due to how predicable it was. Glint will share the same fate now.
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AA nerf wasn’t needed and -20% dmg second hit it’s just overwhelming ….
If you think a 10% and a 20% damage nerf is overwhelming, then you’ll faint with the +200% damage buff vs single targets that was given to sword #2.
Seriously, this is one of the biggest buffs I’ve seen Anet do to a single skill in the history of GW2’s balance. The balance patch following the next one might potentially have the new precision strike nerfed.
But that’s how the profession forums work, I guess. People love to be victims. They purposefully undervalue or ignore any buffs revealed so that they can cry in peace about the nerfs.
Assuming it actually can reliably land.. oh wait. It tend to miss even in melee. No doubt it will be nerfed within a week or 2 tho as anet balance around pleb level. Thats why glint heal gets a nerf once again
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Once Bristleback becomes kittenty the ranger can just put an Owl and one shot people with the appropriate build.
Birds are too vulnerable to the high aoe/cleave dmg of some classes. They won’t survive long enough to be a real threat in many cases.
Incidentally, this is also the case with bristleback. The only difference is that bristleback is ranged and so can possibly unload its damage before dying. Assuming the opponents stay in place to receive it instead of, you know, dodging or using a block/evade/invuln.
Don’t forget legendary armor, via raids. It has its own skin (per weight) as well.
Oh? Where can i preview it? Oh wait..its not even in game.
Just because you can’t preview it (such as through the wardrobe) doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not in the game. (I know it’s not currently, but that’s not the point). I can’t preview the mistward via any “normal” method either, but it came with HoT.
The topic of the thread is simply armor sets that came with the expansion, which the legendary set qualifies. As will any additional armor that may come with any LS seasons between now and the next expansion’s launch.
By the time it come out i might as well be dead. I dont even know how it look like so i dont bother putting any effort into raids (charr armors r terrible after all). You cant really count something that is not in game nor wont be anytime soon. We will be lucky to get it by the end of this year tbh. For me HoT came out with 2 armor sets+1 for heavy, 5 weapon sets. Since then we was flooed with gemstore weapon skins, gliders and outfits.
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The problem is that the Revenant causes damage in PVE only with AA, other skill on sword has zero DPS and Unrelenting Assault fail 70% of cases + other weapon set has low DPS like noodle.
Warrior has in raid 40k DPS other class maybe 25k !!!! Where is warrior DPS nerf ?
LOL? Fails 70% of cases? Rarely I read such a bullkitten. I played herald for around 400h now in PvE and it fails maybe in 5% of the cases.
Best and easier example.
Use UA on Vale when hes next to pillar. UA breaks every single time
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Smokescale UA – 844/926 x5 (4220/4630 total) . 16/20cd, 750 range, 300 radius, no windup animation
Rev UA – 663×5 with berserker ammy+str runes (3315 total), 12cd, 450 range&radius (easier to make it useless in teamfight), 3/4s casttime, interrupted goes on full cd
I dont have any questions
Please consider that the smokescale has horrible damage outside of the UA burst.
Bristleback damage is bit too strong at the moment, but if they fix the bug that makes it hit 20 instead of the intended 15 times that’s all it takes imo.
The bristleback does have an animation windup for its F2, if you dont see it coming that is entirely your fault.
So? Smokescale is a freaking pet. Consider that behind smokescale there is also a player – ranger. How one can trying justice pet doing higher damage than player using the same (now inferior to pet) skill is beyond me at this point. Also i wouldnt consider 1,5k auto crits nor 4k unblockable knockdown to be terrible either.
Bristleback is on a whole new level of opness as well – homing 1,2k projectiles, 10k f2 which is quite spamable. To avoid that i have to give up a point to ranger if i dont have evade/block skill on. And when i reflect it..it deals what.. 150 crits? 2k total damage?Seems balanced. Or maybe 150/hit was actually intended desing.
Druid is a king of 1v1 and if anyone loses as druid in 1v1 he should uninstall really. Main part of this is insane damage from pets, followed by insane amount of long lasting dazes/immobilizes. And before someone give me that bs about game not being balanced around 1v1 i would like to see him explain why rev sword 3 is getting nerfed. It was useless already in teamfights and used often just as evade.
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Smokescale UA – 844/926 x5 (4220/4630 total) . 16/20cd, 750 range, 300 radius, no windup animation
Rev UA – 663×5 with berserker ammy+str runes (3315 total), 12cd, 450 range&radius (easier to make it useless in teamfight), 3/4s casttime, interrupted goes on full cd
I dont have any questions
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You have 2 heals and with herald you have 3 essentially but lets not count it.
Facet of life is strong heal with not so obvious animation/effect and when you can pop it in mid of CC you got caught nicely and got outplayed and just regain all the health by the following opposition attacks it was stupid
Alternatively, your opponent saw that you used it, stopped attacking for a second and you effectively only healed ~1600 and now you’re dead.
But no animation or strong effect to be visible-moreover where other attacks are in play your only indicator is when it pops on character boon/cond bar and in mid of attack it is hard to spot and one backstab or gravedigger or evis or other aoe skill you cant cancel would just heal you up to 100% in no time. AND you got another heal. AND you got another heal+block AND you assume the herald is stupid to activate it just like that w/o seeing the opponet inc attack.
Weird that i have no issues spotting it whatsoever. Moreover when i know i fight glint rev i bait out heal first before bursting rev down. Its also worth to note that during shiro stance anyone should pressure the kitten out of rev the moment he swap to him as he has no heal whatsoever. Its l2p thing on your side.
I love the balance around worst possible players.. but its okay, this week nerfs to mallyx, shield&stab on dodge
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You might want to take a look at BnS people speaking about. Also while mobs arent perfectly balanced they have far far more than 9 classes. If you have 50+ classes and most of them are on usable level then i believe they doing fine. In gw2 however its usually 2-3 classes and rest to trashbin. HoT added huge powercreep that wasnt adressed so far and instead nerfing it they just adds more power creep. Just watch what reapers will do with their new scepter toy and mercenary amulet.
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They aim to shake up the meta, destroy classes that were considered op to useless level and bring useless classes to op level. The kittened circle of life.
The question is.. is the community fine with such kittened “balance”?
Cus it seems we will have to deal with it unless we move to another game. I believe all classes should have some roles in the game and class stacking on it own should be prevented. We have 9 classes after all, why were allowed to pick up 2 eles, 2 guard, 2 necros, 2 whatever with broken builds?
Well imagine that it miss even on pve mobs actually.. All you need to avoid it is stop moving like i did at the end of the vid. Sure, it will work vs noobs like hb wars, but in high end pvp its a joke. How can even think about going with it vs dancing around you thief lmfao.
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Yes. And while you’re at it, make ele attunement recharge not get fracked up by chill. It doesn’t make sense – chill doesn’t effect weapon switching on other classes.
elementalist attunement swaps are skills, skills get fracked up by chill. deal with it.
Yes. And while you’re at it, make ele attunement recharge not get fracked up by chill. It doesn’t make sense – chill doesn’t effect weapon switching on other classes.
Atunements aren’t weapon switches.
And that’s why on-weapon-switch-sigils work when attunement swapping, right?
Next.
those are called “on swap” sigils (NOT on-weapon-switch sigils) and work for standard weapon switches, engineer weapon kit switches and ele attunement swaps.
LOL calling chill balanced. Do u not realize how deadly it is? It lowers your move speed by 66% and increases your cds by 66% AND if youre a reaper it does 1k dps a tick…
Also alacrity has nothing to do with how broken this condi is. For all u reapers bringing it in
chill is balanced, because there are traits which reduce chill duration, along with certain runes, like hoelbrak and melandru.
and chill can be removed. period.
end of discussion.
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Shiro has too much of a counterplay. What counterplay has healing turret? Withdraw? Healing signet? Except shelter that wont heal if interrupted (its a block skill after all) you can do so much about rest – rupt for 4s recharge.
Well, that’s why we have 2x Heals. Problem is when all the other heals are trash.
Well yeah..Nerfed Glint heal (again) that just like Shiro one require you to be in a fight (no kiting allowed whatsoever), trash Jalis (poor version of trash mending), trash Ventari. Only Mallyx has decent one and then again its just a poor kid of consume conditions, thats how unique it is.
Some people been comparing shiro heal to troll unguent but with troll you can kite around at least. With Shiro we have to trade blows, even more so that UA wont trigger more than 3 daggers. This is why shield is so mandatory, and will be even more when the patch hit. Its just too much in current state.
I also wonder around what pleb level they balance tho as glint heal wasnt a issue for a long time already in high tier.
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Shiro has too much of a counterplay. What counterplay has healing turret? Withdraw? Healing signet? Except shelter that wont heal if interrupted (its a block skill after all) you can do so much about rest – rupt for 4s recharge.
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What is next weeks lotto numbers? Everyone here seems confident they’re good at accurately predicting the future.
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Given the fail desing of rev to be weak to condi (read facerolled by any skillless scrub) hes done. I love hardcounters
I’ve been maining Power Shiro rev this week (with sword/sword) and find that revenant has such great versatility, mobility, and utilities on top of the great autoattack damage it needs something to balance it out. I think after the massive nerfs some skills need to be reworked to account for the weakness to conditions however since the facet of light nerf seems to be too much.
Revenant seems great the first time he rolls onto a point, but after those defeated players come back you’re down on health and energy so from my personal experience it’s great in a 1v1 encounter or group fight but isn’t that great for battles of attrition where it’s all about resources without support (healing from other players since even facet of light up gives poor regen given the cadence at which mid is usually pressured).
Reason why power rev had high dps, evades and mobility was the lack of condi removal. However that its a moot point now with the upcoming nerfs where they gut rev out of meta. There will be more interesing choices. Scrapper, thief are no worse choices that actually will also be fine vs condi builds.
Ps. Shiro healing is the most trash helaing ability in game next to water spirit. thats how low it is. Both Shiro and Glint heal are situation and require you to be in fight to actually heal for a jack. Pretty much a reason why shield is mandatory.
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It reminds me something… wasnt it guard scepter?! Never hits at 500+ distance, miss most of the time at mid range, experiences tracking issues. It only seems to work in melee – why it wasnt made melee then?
Kitten, its really so scary that i might uninstall. 2spooky4me.
Oh, yeah, if they don’t change the projectile somehow, it’s going to be pathetic.
I also can’t wait to insta-gib myself against reflects from an Ele or something.
Pathetic heal is getting reflected, now also our pathetic “burst”. Im telling ya, fun times are coming! Everytime i see a ele with reflect aura on i already have to stop attack cus i know i am only helping him to kill me if i have shiro heal up – most trash healing ability to date in history of gw2, next to water spirit (yes, that thing exists)
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