Guild Wars 2

SoR is experiencing massive amounts of crashes and DCs particularly in JQ BL. Is anyone else getting this problem? It was broken for a week, fixed for a week, now it’s broken again ._.

3 times in under 15 minutes. Mostly would freeze in game and I would have to Alt F4 out.

Please fix this Anet!

Did you just answer your own question Aurust ._.

sorrow.2364:

Doomdesire.9365:

Ultimately warriors have better DPS in dungeons. Reason being is because they can hit multiple targets with their GS(3, I think, at least that’s what my guardian hits). Thief has more single target DPS, but the dungeon designs focus around mobs of multiple monsters, not a single monster. They are also much more tankier and have better support.

As far as the thief goes…it’s a solo class and always has been. It’s also decent for skipping mobs, but I don’t think the thief’s strength should be

‘that class you rely on to skip that one monster you encounter once in a dungeon’

That’s why thieves in dungeon run S/P.
Pistol Whip is AoE too.

Thief Sword has lower DPS than a Warrior GS

SpVp – D/D
WvW- P/D

As far as PvE, they both seem effective. D/D + SoM + caltrops has tons of healing and forces the mobs to stay in caltrops, however P/D has the ability to kite mobs wherever you want.

He probably used the ele teleport skill to go up some cliffs, got downed by vet guards, then mist formed in. A thief could do it without dying and kill the repair guys if he wanted to(although they respawn in a few seconds). I wouldn’t call it a bannable exploit but it should probably get patched soon.

Ultimately warriors have better DPS in dungeons. Reason being is because they can hit multiple targets with their GS(3, I think, at least that’s what my guardian hits). Thief has more single target DPS, but the dungeon designs focus around mobs of multiple monsters, not a single monster. They are also much more tankier and have better support.

As far as the thief goes…it’s a solo class and always has been. It’s also decent for skipping mobs, but I don’t think the thief’s strength should be

‘that class you rely on to skip that one monster you encounter once in a dungeon’

They want thieves removed because there is no reasoning with them. They want the class removed. Even if nerfs were given, they would still complain.

It’s just like the internet meme “THANKS OBAMA”, but instead

“THANKS THIEVES”

/falls to death

“GODkitten THIEVES”

Thief, D/D ele

BM ranger is pro as hell when it comes to roaming

Pain Train Choo is looking for GvGs at this very moment. If you are interested whisper Jameszay

Why would you want to discourage zergs in the first place? Zergs only exist of a large number of people participate in them. If you participate in them, you likely support them.

Despite this constant QQ about zergs on the forums, the fact is that zergs only exist because a large majority of players support them.

Two reasons why the stealth trap was introduced in this game

A) Counter veil zergs
B) Counter perma stealthing thieves inside keeps/towers

Use a stealth trap. Problem solved.

Score update early in the morning! Happy memorial weekend to those who celebrate it.

It sucks in PvE
Best in small fights
Horrible in zergs

People hate thieves simply because it’s the class to hate. It’s like Americans who thought communism during the cold war was evil. There’s no real basis supporting it, but thieves seem to be the “flavor” to complain about. I can’t tell you the amount of time I’ve gotten stupid responses in SpVp on a thief. I like to run a p/p(zero stealth minus shadow refuge) zerker in support of allies, and I get tons of crap from people saying thieves are OP with this BS stealth when I never utilized it during that fight.

Meanwhile on my guardian I can easily tank 2-3 people in spvp until allies arrive but I never get crap from anyone. If anything, I get compliments. Apparently guardians take skill and thieves don’t, when in reality, there’s not a big difference. Spam blocks and heals + retal is the same as spamming stealth + backstab + heartseeker

The thing about DPS thieves in tournies are that they are meant for group battles only. A zerker thief would not survive against most tank professions in spvp, nor can they cap in stealth. Best bet is to support existing teammates through ranged abilities.

For a 5 man group I like to follow this

2X bunker
1X CC heavy class
2X DPS

For the bunkers I would have a retal guard + d/d ele
In terms of CC, engi would probably be the most suitable. These guys also have tons of DPS so it’s pretty deadly
DPS classes should consist of thieves/mesmers/warriors. Whichever one you prefer. Warriors deal the most damage, but in turn are generally targetted first. Thieves can deal pretty decent damage and can stay on the sidelines enough for the group to focus their attention on the bunker classes.

I wouldn’t run 5X of any particular class though, simply based on personal experiences, a diverse group is much better(although 5X churning earth would be hilarious to see)

It’s kinda buggy for me too. It sucks having a retal guardian. Maybe it’s affected by might?

Warrior is a strong class if played right. Sadly most people just like to run either full zerk or full tank.

They can be tanky with tons of DPS, especially with GS/Axe+shield

VaaCrow.3076:

Doomdesire.9365:

BM rangers are OP as hell in spvp. Can I get a nerf for that, too?

Oh ya ranger is my other class and you’re insulted i wanted to have thief balanced, way to go buddy +1 to your intelligence! Go ahead i play trap ranger. Seriously though quit defending a broken mechanic.

No actually I guardians, d/d eles, and mesmers as well.

Practically every class besides warr/necro/engi

P.S. BM ranger > thief in spvp

If stealth would ever be removed I want instant casts, tons of shadowsteps(I mean tons), and a buff to blinds(attacks miss during the duration of blind, not for just one attack)

And more endurance.

Junkpile.7439:

Close your eyes, use aoe skill and hope that you get lucky. Only problem is that most annoying thiefs have huge amount toughness so yo need to get 10 lucky shots in row.

No, you AoE your feet and stand in it. If the thief is melee(most are) they can’t hit you without getting hit themselves. If they run a P/D, they can’t cloak and dagger without getting hit, which means very limited stealth.

Counter stealth by dodging CnD. It’s a simple concept and if you conserve your dodge you can be fine.

BTW, if you’re complaining about thieves being “uncatchable” that’s kind of the point behind the whole class. Being able to escape is the core design behind the thief. It’s frustrating, but not OP.

Killer.4709:

Vel.1653:

Cirus.5748:

Masamoon.3864:

BG doesn’t know how to endure, JQ is still a solid contender though. My apologies to BG, it seems a lot of your guilds stop showing up, but how you gain guild is not how one makes a strong community. Whilst you guys say you have one, from everyone I talk to on BG your guilds seem very segregated and do their own things for the most part. We’ve never had that issue on SoR for…ages now. Yes we gained guilds, at a slow pace, but we never begged nobody to come, they came on their own accords because they enjoy how we are as a server. We don’t point fingers, even when we were losing we still came out strong everyday during our primetimes. You guys, just decided to disappear completely. I don’t know if its playing dead or not but somethings not right. You guys have the people/guilds to still be contenders in T1 yet you chose to sit and moan instead of going out and playing. SoR has been the underdog until these last few weeks. All we’ve gained is an EU guild that chose to come to us over the other two servers and a decent morale booster. Its up to you guys to motivate your guys to come out, complaining really gets you nothing. Now get out there and kittening play the game.

BG knows how to endure, it has been kicked out of tier 1 twice and twice it has come back to the top tier. It has even managed to become 3 time champions of tier 1. The only other server to be kicked out of tier 1 and has managed to make it back was Stormbluff Isle. All the other servers, Henge of Denravi, Eredon Terrace, Isle of Janthir and Sea of Sorrows have freefalled down the tiers, without ever coming back to tier 1.

Jade Quarry has never experienced what it’s like to be kicked out of tier 1, and neither has Sanctum of Rall. You should respect the resilience and resolve that Blackgate has shown, and will continue to show.

ummm let me dig this up from way way way back brb….

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/29

The farthest I can go back is right when HoD collapsed. But back during the days when HoD was a power house I remember us being kicked out of tier 1 for only 1 week. ET took our place that week and we moved down to fight in tier 2 against CD and DB.

Im sure any of the older JQ members (even you TW guys) might remember that week as we crushed them after about 5 hours of fighting.

So yea JQ has been though the whole falling out of tier 1 thing, We pulled though it though and honestly with the way they are talking about reseting how match ups work it does not matter at this point.

JQ still has the most tier 1 one week battle wins in NA. Second in the world.

Also we have been in tier 1 the longest out of any single server.

SoR has the staying power that JQ has now as long as they can keep a tight knit community like JQ has had since release. Looks like we might become the next sor <3 JQ after sadly the JQ <3 SBI died with sbi ;_;

BG sadly tends to go super hard pushing for like 3-4 days then burns themself out. I have yet to see much of BG out in force since the one week they really pushed after getting WM.

Its not just about having strong WvW guilds, its about having a strong WvW community. Every single person matters in WvW down to the yak walking/siege refresher/scout up to the voice coms commanders. I think this is where a lot of servers go wrong is where they like to think the WvW guilds will just carry them, when in the end they end up burning themselves out.

dont worry bg has that community as well. we wont be going anywhere

p.s. to the SOR guy saying that bg would fall if they lost 10 weeks in a row, just wanna say I remember some sor transferring after that and how you only made it to t1 cause sbi fell and you farmed their rating just enough to pass us while we were in t1… so :P

i can quote the past too

We’re past this trolling now.

/ me resists the urge to respond

Does Kain have a verification system?

How it works on my server’s TS is when someone unverified enters, we ask them to type an X in game on the map chat to confirm whether they are/aren’t on the server. If they fail to type X they are just moved into the Akitten channel but aren’t banned until they start trolling/doing stupid stuff. It works in getting rid of spies, unless the spy is on our server and relaying information back. If that’s the case then we have no way of knowing, but it’s not a big deal since we look for fights.

To lighten the mood and move away from trolling (I am guilty of this)

I’m going to link a video that I think of everytime someone says pain train choo in TS

kevinskyrider.3271:

The next person to reply to trollbait will be transformed into a duck!

u just mad because u got moa’d

• Turns into Duck *

MagiKarp.8201:

Cirus.5748:

Masamoon.3864:

None of the above servers got revitalized by transfers like BG hass.

The above servers have not been revitalized by transfers because a very large portion of the guilds have left these servers, making it impossible for them to recover.

It hasn’t happened to Blackgate because the guilds on here stay on the server when it goes down, and keep fighting for Blackgate to go back up again. It’s because of the willingness of Blackgate guilds to fight on and not give up that it receives new transfers.

Remember guys

SoR = Best community no server has a community in general, SoR has never received transfers all original guilds. SoR is the best!

Don’t argue with him Cirus.

People say we have the best community because we stick together, not based on forum talk.

Cirus.5748:

Masamoon.3864:

BG doesn’t know how to endure, JQ is still a solid contender though. My apologies to BG, it seems a lot of your guilds stop showing up, but how you gain guild is not how one makes a strong community. Whilst you guys say you have one, from everyone I talk to on BG your guilds seem very segregated and do their own things for the most part. We’ve never had that issue on SoR for…ages now. Yes we gained guilds, at a slow pace, but we never begged nobody to come, they came on their own accords because they enjoy how we are as a server. We don’t point fingers, even when we were losing we still came out strong everyday during our primetimes. You guys, just decided to disappear completely. I don’t know if its playing dead or not but somethings not right. You guys have the people/guilds to still be contenders in T1 yet you chose to sit and moan instead of going out and playing. SoR has been the underdog until these last few weeks. All we’ve gained is an EU guild that chose to come to us over the other two servers and a decent morale booster. Its up to you guys to motivate your guys to come out, complaining really gets you nothing. Now get out there and kittening play the game.

BG knows how to endure, it has been kicked out of tier 1 twice and twice it has come back to the top tier. It has even managed to become 3 time champions of tier 1. The only other server to be kicked out of tier 1 and has managed to make it back was Stormbluff Isle. All the other servers, Henge of Denravi, Eredon Terrace, Isle of Janthir and Sea of Sorrows have freefalled down the tiers, without ever coming back to tier 1.

Jade Quarry has never experienced what it’s like to be kicked out of tier 1, and neither has Sanctum of Rall. You should respect the resilience and resolve that Blackgate has shown, and will continue to show.

Kick back and moved into Tier 1 again?

Were you even there for the Tier 2 matchups? 9 Weeks of SoR BG IoJ/TC where BG won because they had no resistance in oceanic/sea time. At least back then SoR would show up. BG has never been tested. You spent a week or two in Tier 1, got kicked out and spent the next 9 weeks having easymode wins. No server is going to die because you lost 1-3 weeks. Wait till BG goes on a 10 week losing streak then you can quote me on this one.

I’d rather be kicked out of Tier 1 than having to undergo 9 weeks of BG/SoR/IOJ matchups. But then again, I thank BG, because those matchups were the crucible for SoR, and we only came out stronger, which of course, is essential for Tier one.

Eyefinity is supported by Anet, hence why bug fixes for it have been posted in the past. Eyefinity lets you see more than a single monitor. That’s the point of it. Anet won’t do anything about it unless they want to screw over practically everyone with 3 monitors (regardless of if you WvW or not).

Also, it is a bit ignorant that you think only SoR players do it. SoR isn’t a hacker haven. I’ve seen multiple speedhackers from a variety of servers, but I don’t assume everyone is speedhacking, then. It’s pretty ridiculous the amount of QQ about SoR ‘zoomhacks’ on the forum, with most due to the fact that people have no clue as to how siege can be legitimately used. It’s gotten to the point where everytime I hop on an AC in an unseen spot that I take a screenshot due to the amount of false QQs on the forums.

Also

SoR is very good at siege placement. There are public server wide siege placement workshops as well as public(assuming you are in TS) class workshops.

wish.1027:

Irish Cowboy.4153:

lollasaurus.1457:

Kalla.4290:

Kreen.3925:

oh dear, I see someone has let a cowboy loose on the forums. Can someone lasso that sucker in.

I do love these revisionist posts but I am sure there will be a few forum warriors aiming both barrels at you right now. Maybe get some of your buddies to ride shotgun.

er…how is that post revisionist?

He forgot the part about SoR pugs walking on water, curing the blind, and their divine struggle in the rise to #1

The part about guilds leaving the server was top notch too, must be where BG has been hiding all those guys.

Yeah. You’re right. JQ hasn’t lost any NA guilds recently. You guys are a bastion of NA stability.

JQ lost part of EMP, which sucked, but whatever, all those people did was lose whatever map they were trying to cover anyway, so its not like that affected us. Those SOR guys who took the map can just PVD that map and get no bags now instead of having to fight Noodles for 5 minutes for it. We lost some omen guild I never heard of or seen as far as I can remember, and maybe FIRE. I still dont even know if they left or if people were just confused by the fact that theres 5 other FIRE guilds, but for the past few weeks whenever I see them they only have 10 or so people. JQ really hasnt lost much numbers wise as far as NA goes honestly. From my perspective the only thing JQ has lost is the morale of its PUGs during NA time.

All JQ ever had was some super strong Asian guilds and a few good NA guilds, thats why as soon as any other server fighting us had a large coverage period where we didnt, we lost. It’s not a big deal to me, Im here to fight people, even if I have to charge that RIOT guild and 10 PUGs by myself because everyone else from JQ would rather stand on the rock scared, even though they had the outmanned buff. But hey, after I did that I trolled Yishis into 1v1ing me and won, so it was totally worth it. Guardian Powa!

Much respect to JQ for coming out and fighting. Your SEA force is still strong, as was evident the last few days :P

pot.6805:

Hoots.9564:

pot.6805:

Ascii.9726:

Score update.

All your PPT are belonging to us (JQ garrison too).

Grats on fighting doors.

It’s a shame really, BG/JQ are NA servers with NA guilds but yet they force us to PvDoor. Sounds like a server with a lot of heart!

No one forced you to pvdoor.

I find it hilarious that people willingly choose to fight doors/guards and then turn around and complain about fighting doors. Or how 120man EU guilds move to NA brackets that have very little dedicated EU playerbase then complain about not getting good fights.

BG stopped showing up. What did you expect? At times you guys hold only your EB keep during NA, what happened to

KnT
ICoa
RISE
GoF
Work/Aol
???

Even your SEA guilds haven’t been around too much. At least SoR/JQ still comes out when they lose.

JonPeters.5630:

timidobserver.7925:

I have a couple of serious questions.
1. Did the person that came up with the math for this graduate from high school.
2. To prove it, please upload a copy of your high school diploma.

How about just a copy of their resume. I don’t see his high school experience on there. Hopefully the other stuff can count as relevant experience for your assessment.

http://www.glicko.net/cv.html

So that’s where the name glicko came from. I wish I could name things after myself :O

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Zen.8497:

I haven’t seen anyone from SoR saying “Omg SoR are gods :O” and it has nothing to do with trolling. It is what it is based on server strengths and coverage. I think this change is a good opportunity to refresh some memories and maybe make some new ones as well.

You should see what your fellow Rallians are posting…

I would absolutely love a TC/SoR/BG match – I think there would be a lot of good fights all week long.

BG is boring and stops showing up when they lose. Why not TC/SoR/DB

I still have many friends from TC I want to duel, and I’m hoping for a temporary invite into ARENA TIER 2 dueling guild(Does it still exist?)

Actinotus.6410:

Pixelninja.6971:

Scoreupdates from the future.

Bit arrogant much.

Some are making SoR a bit of a big target…

But Pixelninja is on JQ

Andy.9137:

Doomdesire.9365:

In before SoR/DB/TC matchup…anyone? :O

lets not be hasty, FA still has players

DB/SoR/TC/FA matchup

4-way. Just how I like it.

Whoa there SoR. Keep it in yo’ pants and remember to stay classy :P

In before SoR/DB/TC matchup…anyone? :O

Ulfras.9230:

Chopps.5047:

Wow, guys it’s basically a randomized league. Just relax, crack a drink, burn a smoke, and go with the flow…

Wish more people would have this mentality and enjoy the game

A matchup change(hopefully not having BG/JQ in it) would be refreshing, but T1 servers should be kept in T1, otherwise the SEA/EURO/OCEANIC timezone guilds will bore themselves to death. You never enter T1 with massive oceanic/sea/euro coverage, but by the time you’re done, you probably have more of offhour coverage than all T2-8 servers(minus DB) combined in a single T1 server. I’m pretty confident that any of these T1 servers would completely decimate any other non T1 server than DB, simply because the guilds accumulated overtime to make us competitive.

BM rangers are OP as hell in spvp. Can I get a nerf for that, too?

I want an option to see how much WxP you are currently worth xD

I hope we get a SoR/DB/random server(TC?) matchup up in this kitten.

Kojiden.8405:

Hey SoR.. how about instead of pounding on blackgate you try attacking Jade Quarry when they’re in second place?

We do. It just doesn’t hurt JQ because they come back out fighting. I wish I could say the same for BG. Would much rather have these new FA guilds go to JQ.

Harbinger.8637:

Just look at the volatility on the leaderboards.

1)NSP
2)AR
3)FA
4)TC
5)HoD

The problem with volatility is that it doesn’t account for numbers or the actual community, only the scoreboard.

Aveneo.2068:

Wow, I never knew thief players had such a condescending attitude towards people playing another class. Someone asks for advice in dealing with a particular build and you demean others while preaching your L2P-mantra.

How can he/she learn if you refuse to offer assistance? Or is there no assistance because stealth is indeed a broken mechanic without a true counter and you just tell others ‘L2P’ because you wouldn’t know how to counter it either?

Actually countering it is pretty simple. I duel alot on my guardian and there are quite a bit of ways to counter a thief. My favorite is retaliation, but of course not everyone has retal. My second is spamming cc’s and simply dodging his cloak and daggers denying him stealth and the use of blocks, invulnerabilities, protection and such to mitigate any backstab damage. D/P…though…those little buggers…

Either way, there is no excuse when you have ten people. You could have very easily popped a stealth trap and the thief would be dead.

I’d also like to note that the only “true” perma stealth build a thief has is through the use of D/P. Anything else requires Cloak and Dagger which could easily be dodged effectively countering stealth. Being a mesmer, OP could have used his focus pull and GS push on the blinding powders to knock him out and waste his initiative. Or, he could have done the simplest thing and stand in the black powder, denying the thief the ability to stack stealth. Perma stealth will soon be no stealth simply because he would have to snag the mesmer with a heartseeker if he wanted to stack stealth, giving him revealed.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Doomdesire.9365:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

What is going on in this thread…

Did some guild transfer again or something?

Choo transferred off and went to dragonbrand. TW decided to form a love marriage with SF and go to TC. FEAR decided to join Viz to help them against Elona. Tsym went back to SoS, BG bought the remaining EMP after KnT left to HoD and ICoa merged with RISE. This had no effect on the score though, and firmly reinforces the theory that pugs carried all the servers to tier 1. PUG POWER

Well, that’s a problem because BG loves TC. Back off, home wreckers.

I will fight you to the death for TC o.O

By stable server they mean the liklihood of it not imploding, not just based ranks. A server with a strong core will never implode and will always remain stable. A server that is formed by mass bandwagoning will always implode. Most servers are stable, and the ones that are not have long left the scene into T3-8. Not that I am dissing T3-8, but they are generally considered the graveyard of bandwagon servers who have been stripped of their guilds and left to rot.

You can be number 1 alot. It means you have alot of coverage. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are stable, especially if you are untested and never truly challenged. The servers that still show up in full force despite being beat down are the stable ones.
A stable server does not always care about the ppt. If you can handle losing for long amounts of time, yet still show up like nothing happened, that is a stable server. A server that has had, for the most part, easy rides without threat of dropping a tier is largely untested.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

What is going on in this thread…

Did some guild transfer again or something?

Choo transferred off and went to dragonbrand. TW decided to form a love marriage with SF and go to TC. FEAR decided to join Viz to help them against Elona. Tsym went back to SoS, BG bought the remaining EMP after KnT left to HoD and ICoa merged with RISE. This had no effect on the score though, and firmly reinforces the theory that pugs carried all the servers to tier 1. PUG POWER

It’s normal for a pure glass build, which most thieves seem to run.

Thief trait lines are easy to spec for glass, since one line contains power, and another line contains both precision and crit damage. Add that to full zerker/valk + divinity runes then 1600 seems pretty standard. Downside for a build such as this is that the HP pool is extremely restricted(full glass HP is 10850, zerker/valk mix is usually around 15000, with a much less crit chance)

I would love a trait that increases the effectiveness of the stun on pistolwhip. As it stands, it’s not very good.