Guild Wars 2

Well this is just silly. obviously you and your opposing sever partner can just stay inside sm while you take turns capping, there is no need to break the walls down every time.

I just saved you 30 seconds per flip

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Gudradain.3892:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

The joke is WvW. Everyone you met in there is either terribad and running back to the nearest tower or chasing you all around the map with their skill blob that outnumber you 10 to 1. This is not PvP.

WvW used to a very nice place but it was because of the diversity of people in it. This was WvW 1 year ago :

• Karma trainer : Your usual skill less blob where you go to relax, get loot or attack them to get easy bags and troll
• Map Completionist : Would rather be somewhere else but at least they can follow the karma train and get some loots!
• Defender/Scout : The best feeling is really when you can crush a 50 man karma train with well placed siege all by yourself (this is what made me play WvW so much)
• Skill group : Most effective way to destroy your opponents. Always a blast to take on group bigger than you.
• Roamer : Your average troll/ganker that happen to flip a camp from time to time

WvW today :

• Karma trainer : Long gone to EoTM which make WvW more empty
• Map completionist : Still stuck in WvW but it’s even worse for them without the karma train
• Defender/scout : Frankly got nothing to do. The karma train made it lively for them. There was an attack every 15 minutes. Now you sit for hours on your AC doing nothing.
• Skill group : Chasing roamer and map completionist all around the map because they got no one else to fight…
• Roamer : Being chased by skill groups or watching people sit on arrow cart in tower? Let’s go flip all the camps on this map and hope to get some fair fights.

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you. Luckily most of your decent roamers are usually there too so there are still plenty of fights.

I see plenty of roamers always and I’m one of them. Sure many are bad but plenty are excellent and would give any PvP player a very good match.

The problem I see with many so called “good” PVPers in WvW setting is that they come to WvW with PvP duel securiturbo cheesy builds and and are surprised at how ez it can sometimes be for them to defeat players who have more balanced builds for WvW needs. Their build are putrid and near useless for WvW purpose but they will wreck you if you duel them as you are.

The supreme irony was being called dishonorable by a Medi guard and a d/p Thief because I fled to a camp when they teamed on my staff ele. And after I miraculously won that fight thanks to NPC help and quite a bit of arrogance on their part, the Guard PMed me, while blocking me from replying no less, that I was super bad as an ele and I should not think that I’m good at all because I’m bad… so was saying the guy eating grass and calling me “dishonorable” after seeking 2 vs 1 fight against a WvW roaming staff ele… and each of the times they defeated me before their supreme humiliation they were emoting on my corpse all they could.

I do love when someone takes a straight up PvP build into WvW for roaming. I ran into a decap turret engi a week or 2 ago. The hardest part of that fight was not falling over laughing while he tried bunkering down to fight me near a tower he didn’t own.

I think every server has more bad players running around on them than good. I caught a group of what I’m assuming was one of Ebay’s PvE guilds (since I didn’t recognize the tag) in WvW last week. They tried to gank me 3v1 and I wiped the floor with them. I don’t automatically assume all ebay players are that bad because of this and that isn’t what I was saying in the previous post.

What I was saying is the majority of the good EBay roamers I run into tend to be in the other 2 bl’s looking for fights. The people that stay behind in their bl run or wp as soon as they see me and hop on siege, and that just isn’t fun to fight against.

Dragonfeu.4356:

What do you think are its weaknesses? Burst? CC Removal? I guess it would mess up the combo…

I think it’s just shortbow damage is so lousy and maul is so telegraphed that you really need to land a stun or cc before hitting an opponent. Which is all fine in a 1v1 especially because you can completely control them with all the cc in this build. But when you are fighting 1vX and you have things that you need on cool down it gets a lot tougher.

You also lose out on the utility and burst longbow provides for finishing off a player in a 1vX. You don’t have the area denial of barrage, the stealth stomp from hunter’s shot or just the burst from rapid fire when you absolutely can’t get close enough to stomp.

1 thing I would suggest is swapping SoS for lighting reflexes and traiting wilderness knowledge, which would also benefit entangle. Having that stun break, cc removal, extra vigor, and gap opener on a much shorter cooldown is just so much better.

I think the other reason I don’t run this build often is because I can cap camps so much faster as either power longbow or full condi.

I’ve run almost the same build but with technobabble (Asuran master race)
It is a really solid build for dueling but it’s pretty weak 1vX. Not bad in a small group fight, you can really lock a player down for your party.

Grav.3568:

Jim Hunter.6821:

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you.

Mission accomplished.

Right?! It’s a great strategy since they have the strongest night crew in our tier. Most mornings they have every map capped, they sit in towers and keeps with a crap ton of siege and when you finally break in they bail out without fighting so you don’t even get the satisfaction of killing them.

By the time you cap your stuff back you have the choice of banging your head against more siege wars and no fights, or you can hit the other server where you will get a better chance at finding fights. Funny thing is I usually find way more ebay to fight on the other servers bl. The ones that camp siege seem to stick to their own bl and eternal.

Gudradain.3892:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

The joke is WvW. Everyone you met in there is either terribad and running back to the nearest tower or chasing you all around the map with their skill blob that outnumber you 10 to 1. This is not PvP.

WvW used to a very nice place but it was because of the diversity of people in it. This was WvW 1 year ago :

• Karma trainer : Your usual skill less blob where you go to relax, get loot or attack them to get easy bags and troll
• Map Completionist : Would rather be somewhere else but at least they can follow the karma train and get some loots!
• Defender/Scout : The best feeling is really when you can crush a 50 man karma train with well placed siege all by yourself (this is what made me play WvW so much)
• Skill group : Most effective way to destroy your opponents. Always a blast to take on group bigger than you.
• Roamer : Your average troll/ganker that happen to flip a camp from time to time

WvW today :

• Karma trainer : Long gone to EoTM which make WvW more empty
• Map completionist : Still stuck in WvW but it’s even worse for them without the karma train
• Defender/scout : Frankly got nothing to do. The karma train made it lively for them. There was an attack every 15 minutes. Now you sit for hours on your AC doing nothing.
• Skill group : Chasing roamer and map completionist all around the map because they got no one else to fight…
• Roamer : Being chased by skill groups or watching people sit on arrow cart in tower? Let’s go flip all the camps on this map and hope to get some fair fights.

The reason ebay bl rarely gets solo roamers is because you all have such a reputation for siege humping. At best I’ll get a couple fights before y’all start building sup ac’s and bali’s in upgraded camps or avoiding me all together to back cap.

It is just more fun to hit the other bl when faced up against you. Luckily most of your decent roamers are usually there too so there are still plenty of fights.

One of my rangers runs something close to this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNQQRAsf3YnEqQvgWxCusAVLGQQoWFAtrhktFcPE3wPfyKSEL-T1SAABK8AAMS9nAOBAAcEAETZwN6HsUJIZKt44gAMmSke2fgUALqsC-w

Mix and match the armor and trinkets until you get the stats you like but you get a nice burst from dropping burning, entangle, swapping to a/d for doom sigil to extend poison then the bleeds from crippling talon, split blade and keen edge trait and then hit them with winter’s bite for chill.

That should give them 19 stacks of bleeding, burning, poison, torment, immobilize and chill on the first rotation also the bird should be hitting them pretty hard at the same time and adding blind for 1 more cover condition.

Gudradain.3892:

If you are looking for a lot of small fights and lot of duels : try EotM.

When I go in there, I find roamer all around the place that are harassing the big uplevel zergs. You can duel them, they are there for that and they want it. Also, if you follow the enemy zerg, players will come to fight you.

Also that zerg is not interested to run after 1 roamer so you can usually follow them all day long if you want.

But yeah, WvW is not the place to find small fights. Go to EotM for that.

Everyone I have ever met in EotM is a free bag. I’ve run into plenty of thieves that run around trying to gank uplevels and smacked them around like the little kittenes they are while I was leveling characters. EotM is a complete joke, please leave that crap out of the WvW forum.

I find it cute that the op considers killing pve uplevels in eotm the same as WvW roaming

Ragion.2831:

Some comments here made me cringe. Peow I remember you from a match earlier today, you are a ranger right? From what i saw, thief isnt the problem you are having. I am an evade thief unlike 9/10 chicken thieves that go into stealth every 2 seconds, I depend on vigor but that doesn’t mean evades are spammable.

I have (rarely) seen some pretty good rangers. Good meaning rangers who arent always looking for the nearest tree to climb, good meaning even if a thief gets close they still hold their own very well. These very few rangers are timing their attacks immaculately and evading as much as or more than I do as an evade thief.

What you are asking for is for thieves to stand still so you can get your rapid fire in at 1500 units. I would suggest timing your attacks better, thieves have to do this as well especially against mobile builds including some ranger builds.

Everyone has the same problems you do, how we deal with it is timing.

Warrior crying about thieves and somehow the ranger qq still pops up…

Davey.7029:

Nidome.1365:

Oh look yet another WvW is dead thread.
Obviously the people I see in WvW must be figments of my imagination, the queues I saw after reset on Friday were also figments of my imagination, in fact I must be a figment of my own imagination.
Paradox time -if you are reading this you don’t exist because I don’t exist because I WvW and see others in WvW but the OP says that WvW is dead therefore we weren’t there and don’t exist.
The alternative is that the OP is incorrect and WvW is not dead – which do you think is more likely?

You might not be noticing this on your server, but WvW is in fact dead or dying in the lower tiers (I’m taking about Bronze league here).
Sometimes there is some activity, specially on reset night, or when the matchups are super close, but in general WvW is as alive as a south african desert.
So, all the “WvW is dying” threads do have some truth in them.

Are you talking about EU or NA? My main account is on AR and roaming is solid throughout the day. Large scale fights pretty much only happen around prime time but that isn’t what the OP is looking for.

You want better roaming action you need to transfer to a lower server. In t3 I could occasionally find people to duel but if I was roaming and flipping camps they would chase me down with 10 people.

I’m in T7 now and I find good roaming action every time I play. The servers don’t have the manpower to leave 30 people in each bl so you end up fighting 1-3 people until you make a mess of their bl.

The rule of thumb is they will usually bring equal to double your numbers to deal with you. So a 5 man group will usually fight 5-10.

The way in is the glowing door on the side of the gate.
On my ranger I pop stability, use longbow stealth, great sword leap, great sword block.
Engi I stealth, rocket boot.
Ele mist form.
Mesmer stealth, blink.
Thief stealth, shadowstep.
Necro fear, spectral walk, plague form.
Guardian stability, blocks, blinds.
Warrior I pop immunities and laugh at them as I stroll through the door.

I’ve run a p/p build in WvW when I was bored and felt like goofing off. I can’t remember the exact build but it was something like this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqa4alsMp3plOx7J8PNBQBt5qDA3ZoDbwzgUEA-TFSEwAAOCADOBAFeAArU/hpyv/KBZrfY3+DECw8YA-w

It actually worked surprisingly well. You can get off several unloads which deals a good amount of damage and if there is too much pressure you have plenty of escape potential from your utilities and stealth.

SilverWF.4789:

You all confirmed here, what thieves can easily have a tons of damage modifiers, what is allow to them nearly oneshot even toughness focused characters

Maugetarr.6823: Thx
Can’t imagine how strong can be Backstab in this conditions – this can be really oneshot…

Everyone that has spent a little time in WvW has access to the same damage modifiers

SilverWF.4789:

WvW buffs? Such as? It was near our tower.
Might stacks? How many?
Debuffs? Vulnerability? Nah, I was without it, also, how many stack needed for this damage?
Food? What food?

This post and the fact that you somehow lost to a zerk thief as a condi engi lead me to believe you are very new to WvW. Expect to die very often until you have a bit more experience.

ekarat.1085:

I am an extremely defense-minded warrior (and probably should have picked guardian). I am level 80 now (and have a huge gripe about how things should be accessible before then, so it is a sore point). Level 75 to 80 doesn’t take very long at all, even if you’re not trying. I want to contribute and help out, even if I’m not as effective 1-1 as someone fully maxed out. That shouldn’t be strictly necessary.

Ultimately, I wasn’t asking about levelling, build, or gear. If my allies are saying they need more help defending a tower, what can anyone do about it? Nobody’s actually answered that very basic question. Presumably someone can do something, or they wouldn’t ask.

From my point of view, I can’t get inside to help with defenses. I don’t see any waypoints on the map. The enemy clusters (since the term “mobs” is confusing, but I mean player mobs when I say that) around the entrance, so there’s not way in. I feel like I’m missing something very, very basic.

People asked about your build because we are confused as to why you can’t get in. On countless occasions I have run through zergs of 40+ people to get into a tower that needs defending. I can do this because I bring the right build.

Once inside there is plenty you can do such as build and man siege, throw siege disablers (which you should stock up on), stack in the lords room to fight if they break in, drain supply if the tower/keep is going to be lost, etc.

But step 1 is getting you in the tower, that is why we are focusing on why you can’t do this.

Only good thing I see coming out of the removal of white swords is I’ll be saving a lot of gold this month because I won’t be upgrading kitten

What profession do you mostly play? Do you have access to stability, leaps, stealth, blocks, etc. that will let you get through the door?

What kind of gear are you wearing? You might not want to be full zerk until you are better at positioning and fighting other players.

I agree with Kanebrake that you should post your build, it would make helping you a lot easier.

I actually target the lowest ranked person first as they are usually an easier kill. A lot of the time they are still wearing zerk pve gear.

On the flip side I found it was extremely fun to level an alt account in WvW because people think you are going to be a free bag. Nothing better than winning a 1v1 as a no rank uplevel.

The real problem is this games PvE is braindead stupid and it breeds stupid players. You can’t ask for a nerf to an extremely valuable skill because your loot train is being slowed down by 5 seconds.

Honestly if you want this game to be balanced around open world PvE then just ask for every skill besides auto attack to be removed for every class.

you can’t damage supply but you can CnD off of it

No offense but I don’t think you will find sympathy for SoR on any tier.

Shrapnel.7249:

Thanks, for addressing the topic! Agreed they trade off quite a bit in order to spam condi, elixers can only do so much. I think the issue is the passive damage of condi paired w (and the real issue I feel) an abnormal about of CC. Condi bunker is the standard for point cap which is totally understandable, but the CC on such short cooldowns is what I’ve used personally and been used against me that will often determine the fight.

The bunkers rarely bring boon stripping, just send someone in with stability and cc/condi’s of their own to deal with them.

The real problem is that conquest is the only PvP game mode and the points are ridiculously small. If they nerf engi’s because PvP is screwed up they will ruin them for other game modes like WvW roaming/dueling.

Shrapnel.7249:

Wooo hoo! Not an expert, but at least past my apprenticeship. I prefer martial classes so far.

15 hours isn’t even close to scratching the surface of a class. Fighting a bunker engi on point can be annoying but it’s never impossible. Engi’s have a lot of powerful skills and traits but they can’t bring them all at once, there is always a trade off. Usually you will find that they are extremely vulnerable to conditions and cc’s.

Whoa you’ve played an engi for 15 whole hours?! Watch out guys we have an expert over here.

Straegen.2938:

Caltrops should reveal when it damages or the Caltrops on dodge should be adjusted. Fighting dire based caltrop condi thief builds borders on ridiculous.

Retaliation should apply its damage per target not per hit or have a short cooldown. Any attack with multiple hits against a retal opponent often returns a significant amount of damage. Retaliation effects are multiplied by the number of targets so a single attack with multiple hits can dish out a whooping amount of return damage against a small number of opponents. No passive defensive boon should be able to dish out north of 2.5k per target.

Cloak and Dagger off walls has been fixed at least twice before. It should be fixed again.

There are lots of broken skills, traits, etc but tonight these two proved to be some of the more annoying.

Agree 100% with everything here.

Zesix.4569:

Is Rune of the Krait better than Rune of the Traveler in your modified build, Jim Hunter? In other words, is the extra condition damage better than +25% movespeed?

Tail wind and the swiftness from the bird will keep your mobility up in combat. Out of combat you can switch out sharpening stone for signet of the hunt and/or torch for war horn.

stinkypants.8419:

Jim Hunter.6821:

A lot of players on certain servers (*cough Crystal Desert *cough) wouldn’t even fight back if you caught them, they would literally die without hitting you once.

You didn’t fight me buddy. I chased a zerg off a SMC wall just last night, all by myself, uphill, both ways and in the snow.

:)

GOSU.9574:

From time to time when I use Withdraw I get no healing. This isn’t often or reliably repeatable for me. I figured for a while maybe I was getting hit by damage and just didn’t notice. But there are times when there is no incoming damage for sure.

I have spectated some fights and seen this anomally happen to others using this skill.

Is this a bug? Does this happen to anyone else? Is it some sort of lag issue?

It happens on every profession. Sometimes skills just fail to activate properly. The failure is just way more noticeable when it’s a heal, invulnerability, gap opener, etc.

shadowpass.4236:

Just theorycrafting:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YjEq0yaFL2sQ1iABhaVA0uGu3WgXC87ZLYVD-TlyCABxp+DAHEg72f4NdDQpEbATcXcBA+S5xpKBn4JAEAABgbezbGSBAzWA-w

I really like your trait spread but I made a few tweaks to what you posted.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8fjEq0yaFL2sQ1iABhaVA0uGS2WgXC87ZLYVC-TlyCABxp+DAHBg30NAlSsBMxdxFB4LlHnqEciHAwM7PEAABgbezbGSBA2WA-w

Krait runes and torch for extra conditions. I moved the stacking sigil to the sword so you can situationally switch the offhand (like blasting warhorn for speed boost while moving around the map). I also replaced the dog with a bird for extra swiftness and to make use of those points in beastmastery.

I’m going to have to disagree with everyone here. I was running into the same problem as you in tier 3/4/5. I couldn’t find fights anywhere, people just ran from fights and called in 10-20 people to try and chase me down.

A lot of players on certain servers (*cough Crystal Desert *cough) wouldn’t even fight back if you caught them, they would literally die without hitting you once.

I have an account on Anvil Rock and I can find roaming fights any time I log on. What’s really nice is a big chunk of the T7-T8 population have realized it’s stupid to worry about PPT when server pop’s and coverage is so broken, so you end up finding plenty of people just roaming looking for fights.

If you can’t find a fight all you have to do is flip a camp and wait there a few minutes. If too many show up to make it a fair fight just pop a tonic or whisper them, most people are willing to duel (there are the occasional kittens that will still run u down after you tonic but most are cool).

If you haven’t moved yet give AR a shot, it has a really great community and I think you would find more of what you are looking for from WvW down here.

Kilger.5490:

I’m pretty sure they are just referring to pve. Theres no way to control a live opponent to the same degree. Youre taking this as anti-ranger instead of pro-teamwork, where I believe the nature of the comments are coming from (though they could have skipped the sarcasm as it sets people off).

Hard to not read this as anti ranger when the op is spouting bullkitten like, “1 guy ruins play experience for dozens of people around him, and THEY’RE supposed to adapt because he can’t be expected to wipe his own butt?”

sminkiottone.6972:

Sword stacks might only on the pet, the ranger doesn’t get might from it.

Yeah sorry, I should have clarified that

Longbow is a very weak weapon when you don’t trait for it. If you really want to do celestial you would be much better off going with pretty much any weapons besides what you have chosen.

Both main-hand sword and axe stack might with their auto attack and they give you condition damage. They also allow you to bring off-hand weapons for more damage/utility. Shortbow is a decent hybrid weapon and the quick rate of fire makes on hit and on crit sigils very effective.

Deep Sleep.4568:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Deep Sleep.4568:

I say give everyone a pet and two pets to the ranger. I remember being able to have two pets in gw1. heck even make the one for everyone purchasable in the gem store only.

?
I don’t remember that at all. I remember in pve you could use summons or give pets to your hero npc’s, but I don’t remember rangers having 2 pets.

you had to give up a utility to do it most didnt

What are you talking about? GW1 let you equip any 8 skills for your bar, it didn’t have utility slots.

Did he forget to put on any armor that morning?

Deep Sleep.4568:

I say give everyone a pet and two pets to the ranger. I remember being able to have two pets in gw1. heck even make the one for everyone purchasable in the gem store only.

?
I don’t remember that at all. I remember in pve you could use summons or give pets to your hero npc’s, but I don’t remember rangers having 2 pets.

They are viable in pvp and WvW roaming.

felivear.1536:

Kaiser.9873:

Servers have risen and fallen. overall numbers are down as the game has bled some folks in the last year. BG is still top dog when they want to be. T2 has a bit more volatility then it used to have. T3,4,and 5 still seem to have their moments. Don’t have an idea about anything below T5. Rangers are decent now.

What about the overall WvW experience? Is it pretty much identical as far as the goals, style, etc?

Have they created any means for a solo/small groups to be effective/productive?

Thanks!

Small groups took a huge hit with the introduction of siege disablers. 1 person defending an objective can keep a small group shut down long enough for the zerg to arrive.

I’ve fully leveled 3 rangers and on every one of them the wolf was the first pet I grabbed because it is so easy to get to and 1 of the most useful pets in the game. If 3 of my uplevels can do it there is no reason you can’t.

But you know what? I actually agree with you. It is just as stupid that you are forced into WvW to get a pet as it is stupid for us to be forced into PvE to get other pets.

No other profession has to perform a scavenger hunt in order to use their class mechanic. Juvenile pets should be removed from WvW (along with the rest of the rally bait npc’s) but all pets should be unlocked in WvW the same way they are in PvE.

zapv.8051:

The people saying necro are hilarious, if necros had the highest damage over 5 or 6 seconds they would be meta in dungeons. Also, are we talking pve where stuff stands still or against people where they move about. If pve then eles win out due to icebow. In pvp, over five seconds probably fresh air ele, d/d theif, or some engi build.

If lich form could be used for more than 20 seconds every 3 minutes they probably would be the meta.

Just give the option to pay with karma or badges instead of gold. Or better yet, let us pay with blood stone dust and empyreal fragments. Lord knows I get enough of that garbage.

I’m just a little annoyed we are the only profession that needs to go on a scavenger hunt to be able to use our class mechanic.

Renn.8241:

Soilder.3607:

You can only get a maximum of six points.

Correction you get a maximum of 14 trait points by level 80

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you want to have even more fun build a new character so you can have the added enjoyment of paying gold and skill points for traits! Thanks Anet

OR unlock the traits by playing the game, completing events and participating in map completion, not all the community has become lazy and expects everything to be given to them

This games PvE is about as much fun as smashing my hand with a hammer. Give me the option to buy the traits with WvW badges and karma, and for kittens sake, unlock all the traits for PvP. One of the biggest selling points for PvP was that you could jump in and be on equal footing with everyone.

I like the idea but it would only work if they removed the aoe cap and downed state.

Zergs can power rez far too easily and in small scale fighting you would see a huge increase in people alt f4’ing to prevent being stomped.

If you want to have even more fun build a new character so you can have the added enjoyment of paying gold and skill points for traits! Thanks Anet

Best Mesmer song ever.

http://youtu.be/sg-vgGuTD8A

Aldebaran.8219:

How do you get it through pvp?

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure all pets are unlocked for PvP including the HoM pets, whether you unlocked all of the GW1 rewards or not. I’ll double check on my alt account later.

But they are only unlocked while you are in PvP, you can’t take them into PvE or WvW.

Edit: I went ahead and double checked. Anyone can use them in PvP, you need EotM and a certain number of reward points to unlock them for the other game modes.

Outside of PvP the blackwidow spider is only available through the hall of monuments. You can get the jungle spider in a bunch of places though, it is the same pet just with a different skin.