Guild Wars 2

marnick.4305:

Punctuation, grammar. If anything’s a must on forum’s, it’s those two.

Gear grind is not good for competitive games.

Nobody is talking about PVP here dude.
pvp in gw2 is like a totally separate game.

Gear grind of some degree is needed to keep things interesting for the long run.

the before and after gw2 for me, these are games I enjoyed or thought I might enjoy alongside gw2 problem is gw2 has raised the bar for quality and polish so far up none of the current mmo’s can keep me interested for more than a few minutes.

examples:

- neverwinter:
the rooting effect, the quests system, the trinity, the grind and choppy animations made me uninstall it quicker than I could say I quit.

- Rift:
choppy camera, slow boring gameplay, weird looking animations, the flawed map system
and this is a game I bought and played for 6 months, now I think what the hell was I thinking playing this crappy poorly developed game ?

It’s the same theme for almost every other mmorpg I have ever played before guild wars 2
to me even before gw2 was released, they were all crappy boring, grindy, poorly developed games.

Guild Wars 2 is the only mmorpg I can play because it has what I’ve been asking for years.
as I come from console gaming I never understood how or why anyone would play those crappy poorly developed sorry excuses for good games kind of BS.

all those games have a common theme, grind till you drop, boring slow static gameplay

RNG has it’s place indeed but……
even in supposedly RNG heavy games cough swtor for example.
I ran dungeons a lot and most of the times we got purple gear for drops which would be the equivalent of exotics in gw2.

In swotor, i could get as many as 10-20 purple drops in say a week of dungeon running

In GW2 10-20 exotic drops is as many as i’ve gotten in months of playing.

Now from that perspective which RNG do you think is way to heavy and way to punishing ?

That is the issue, it’s not that RNG itself is evil, it’s that in gw2 the percentages for something good to drop are way to kitteng LOW

That is what kitten es me off so much !!!!

what is this torment condition ? and where is the official word on it being given to thieves ? never heard of this condition before !

If true, my thought is: WTF !!! are you crazy a.net !!!! instead of fixing thieves resource type and burst, or giving engineers stealth detection this is what you come up with ?
OMFG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

personal choice: warrior PVE king profession.
for you: mesmer, engineers are kind of a taboo in PVE just like rangers and necros are so there.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

do you want ascended armor?

provided if,

the “ascended armor stats” are introduced
as “upgrade stones” that turns
level 80 exotic armor stats into
level 80 ascended armor stats.

allowing you to retain your current armor skins without hassle,
and upgrading the armor stats to ascended.

if this is the case, would you want “ascended armor” then?

p/s: yes, i sill hate transmutation crystals.

for the sake of the game’s longevity I say NO
ascended armor needs to be something new you work towards in order to get people playing and give them something new to do other than daily chest Boss hunting

just please do NOT tie it to stupid laurels or kitteng guild comms that you can only earn a very restricted amount per week

give us unrestricted access to ascended armor, I have 5 alts if it’s restricted how the hell am I suppose to earn them for my alts as well

What we need is better LFG tool NOT heroes or henchmen, those tinhgs were fine in gw1 and I loved them for it but they do NOT fit in gw2 at all.

Galtrix.7369:

Honestly, that would require a large amount of time spent studying where everything is for a new player. If I was a new player, I would rather not spend more time on the wiki looking at where everything is than in the actual game.

^^ this, that kind of restricted play was fine for gw1 but not so much for gw2 sorry but no thank you.

pullnointer.1476:

a daily shouldn’t be something you have to actively focus on. just randomly doing whatever you want ingame for 20 minutes should award you with it. otherwise it feels forced and will alienate players.
what I’m saying: you do a fractal, boom daily done. or a dungeon. or level up. or a story quest. or a jumping puzzle. etc etc etc
discuss.

Also, why the hell are they account wide ????
what we’re not allowed to have alts to accomplish things faster !!!
I have 5 toons, and I want to be able to earn 1 laurel for each of my toons per day seriously it’s the least you A.net can do after making the game so kitten restricted !

We have to spent a month just to acquire 1 lousy piece of ascended item other than rings !!!

I understand that very casual players need to catch up but why do we all have to pay such a high price for the fact they don’t get to play as much as they would like to !!!!

Chryzo.8906:

Molch, i ’d rather have good runners than bad berzerkers in Arah P1 ^^

Good VS Bad Beserker players is an entirely different topic !

This is only about the requirements for specific runs.

That said,
I’ve run beserker in arah and done quite well.
3 zerk warriors 1 guardian 1 mesmer for the win.

This just hit me the other day,

CoF p1 farming group composition is not at all about being elite or anything like that it’s about efficiency plain and simple.

If you’re farming this run for money, what you really care about is efficiency and time spent doing it. The faster you can finish it, the faster you can repeat it and as such the more money you will earn in a shorter period of time.

Once you know how to do the fastest run why in the world would you take anything but
but the most efficient party composition?

anything other than the efficient party composition slows you down, which in an efficiency oriented setup means you’re bleeding money.

Lots of people view / complain about this as if it’s just about elitism, but the reality of the matter is, it has nothing to do with elitism at all it’s all about efficiency.

I’m a casual player myself and didn’t have the full zerker gear setup ready at 1st.
the 1st time I got kicked out of a farming group I asked the reason why, and they explained this to me as I am doing now about efficiency, that’s when I went to get my zerker gear ready so I wouldn’t be inefficient and didn’t get kicked from farming parties, instead of complaining about it on the forums

And, please for the love of God don’t pretend like it’s the parties fault or the game’s fault.
and don’t act as if they are obligated to take you even if you do not fit their needs and all you will do is drag them down with you.

If this was a trinity based game and you applied as a tank but didn’t have the gear for it do you honestly believe you will get picked for that group ?

Hell no you won’t !

Why should it be any different here ?

bottom line is this

1 – you wanna farm and have fun and don’t care about efficiency, than no problem look for like minded people and go do your inefficient runs and have fun we won’t stop you or bother you at all, but don’t complain because you can’t get in on the efficient farming parties, why should the others who are efficient have to carry you around dragging your feet taking them down with you?

2 – you wanna be efficient, go get your full beserker gear ready and welcome to the party !

Just so you don’t get the wrong idea or label me something I’m not

I also run CoF for fun with my guildmates, I take any and all classes, beginner or experienced it doesn’t really matter and have a blast teaching them about the dungeon, it is all about fun, relaxing and enjoying the game.

Races I won’t play:
- asura: to disustingly ugly and I hate the walk run animations.
- sylvari: odd walk run animations and ugly ugly ugly.
- Norn: oversized humans that look like moving in slow motion no thx you.
- charr: hate the looks, hate the walk run animations and generally hate their guts from gw1 they were the enemy for god’s sakes.

Classes I won’t play:
- necro: animations and minions are disgusting, specially now with that sclerite tentacle backpiece I won’t even stand next to someone wearing that P.O.S !
- ranger: don’t like pet dependant classes at all !

Which is why the only way to show a.net that it is unacceptable is for the whole playerbase to ignore those kitten RNG boxes, if they start seeing that they do not sell at all they will implement the buy the ticket or better yet buy the skin directly.

I don’t get why they are doing this crap, look at LOL it is one of the most successful games out there right now, and how do they sell skins ? directly of course no RNG BS at all !!!

If LOL were to sell skins a la gw2 style I lot of people would leave the game period !

tbh I’m starting to get sick of this crap, I love GW2 and all but this game’s progression is all about cosmetics, yet every single great looking skin they have released lately is always locked behind the kitteng RNG

One of the main reasons I hate games like wow and the like is the kitten RNG !
but lately the RNG in GW2 is worse than it ever was when I played pure RNG based games like swtor, lotro etc.

And to top it off, if you try to farm in order to get somewhere it is nerfd hard, faster than you can say OMG !

when I 1st heard that nexon had a small stake into ncsoft, I thought hmm I better be cautious those greedy bastrds !

Now I tell you ncsoft get that kitten company out of your business they are ruining your reputation and your games, just buy them out take all their shares. All their games always become pay2win always

Funny thing for me is though, I got a weapon ticket in the 1st 30 minutes I decided to go out farming holo projectors out in the world.

The community needs to stand up and shout out of their lungs A.net we do NOT approve nor do we condone this anymore gem bought boxes being RNG based is wrong

Hell, if they wanted they could sell weapon tickets using credit card only transaction and I’d be fine with it at least than I’m sure I’m getting my kitten and not playing the kitten RNG with my real money.

lunshea.3261:

Latinkuro.9420:

It’s insane you pay money for the chance to roll a dice, really !
Why do we let this slide as if it’s the most normal thing in the world ?

Hmm…but it is the most normal thing in the world…all kinds of lotteries, poker and casino sites…you pay money up front, and you either win or lose

LOL that’s gambling for the idiots that actually believe in that crap.
I used to do the books for a casino trust me the house always wins LOL

I’m talking about the following:

you go in to buy a pair of sneakers or jeans, you pick it up go to the teller to pay and they tell to you I’m sorry sir, you can’t just buy what you like directly ! you have to pay for a chance to roll a dice and win a coupon which you can redeem for the item you like

Now doesn’t that sound absolutely bullocks ??
same thing with these kitten coffers, I will pay for a ticket with real money but NOT for a chance at one, I have never gambled in real life and I refuse to do so in-game !

Gambling is for the IQ impaired that actually think they have a big chance of winning !
of course they have no idea about the insurmountable odds against them.

And when someone does hit the jackpot we think it is a common occurrence, that a lot of people hit the jackpot everyday, when in reality only a very hard controlled low percentage is allowed this joy in order to keep the money bleeders paying and playing till they exhaust all their monetary resources.

there is a debate going on right now wether rich dragon coffers have a guaranteed weapon ticket inside or not.

1st time I like the BLTC weapon skins but I’m not gonna gamble for them, if I’m spending real money on these coffers I expect a weapon ticket to be included in each one or why bother paying real money if it’s still RNG BS !

It’s insane you pay money for the chance to roll a dice, really !
Why do we let this slide as if it’s the most normal thing in the world ?

I see only one way to fix this issue:

- split gem purchases in two:
1- if you bought gems with ingame gold the rich coffers do have RNG in them for the weapon tickets.
2- if you spent real money on gems the rich coffers have a guaranteed ticket in them.
there problem solved.

How to implement such a thing, not a clue I leave that to the genius coders at A.net.

Grim.6415:

Vawn.3041:

Grim.6415:

“Rich” means guaranteed ticket. Normal one like Southsun drop in the world and by participating in events.

Where did you find stated “Rich Dragon Coffer” = “Guaranteed Ticket”? Please provide a source for the sake of everyone being properly informed. Also, in answering, be careful that the source you provide directly answers this very important point without ambiguity. Thanks!

-Vawn

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/june-11-2013/

I just assume anyone that is interested took the minimal amount of effort to be informed by reading the official page.

My original link leaves no ambiguity to anyone that has read this official page.

You’re welcome.

The official page does NOT say anything about guaranteed weapon ticket it only states they are inside, the only thing it states clearly is that these weapon tickets can be found RARELY in the dragon coffers that drop in the game.

Where you came to understand GUARANTEED TICKET from this is ludicrous !

All these weapons are insanely good looking well except for the rifle, its the 1st set of weapons which I find myself wanting them all pity they are all locked behind f-ing RNG boxes, I will be lucky if i get even 1 of them.

Galphar.3901:

Only way I’ll “Raid” in GW2 is if it’s FoW/UW. And no gear prereqs to do it. Make it like it was in GW and have it unlocked per server thru HoH.Have mobs in UW drop a hard to find mat that is used for Obsidian armor and weapons. Obisidain armor and weapons would be craftable in FoW only. IF we ever get Elona then they could also add DoA and have Tormented weapons drop there.

Great idea, I never did those instances in GW1.

Would love to see them implemented in Guild Wars 2 version of raiding.

- Hard challenging content w/o the need to grind for gear, though something akin to agony would be good to implement in order to make it viable.
- rewards need to match the level of difficulty though in this regard Fractals failed hard !
- Rewards can be cosmetic along side some resources say gold or something, because tbh if its only cosmetic it will suffer the same fate as Fractals have, or the skins will have to be epic in nature to make it worth it.

VOLKON.1290:

(Q:) Will we ever see anything like raiding?
(A:) Our answer to raiding may very well be in the works!

This is what I’ve always said !

give a.net the chance to come up with their own answer to raiding instead of asking them to implement wow style raiding which I totally dislike and doesn’t fit Guild Wars 2 play style.

My interest as to what they might come up with is definitely peaked

- Will we see some new ascended items coming in this update ?
- will we see fractal 40 and higher awarding other types of ascended gear besides rings ?
- will we see fractals provide tokens which can be traded for my choice of fractal skin ?

Apparently now you cannot write kitten yourself either my post got infracted even thoughtthere was no swear word at all but the message still stands !

Will you please stop messing with the stupid ecto salvage rate if you be so kind

There is this better, don’t suppress my message if there’s no swear word lol !

I’m a master crafter and I’m very dissapointed with the fact certain recipes have a character level requirement instead of a crafting level requirement !!!

what is the point of leveling my crafting to the max ? in say huntsman and now if I want to make a corrupted rifle I can’t even though my character is a master huntsman of a lower level as a toon !!!

outrageous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it should require huntsman 400 !!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT a level 80 character !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very dissapointed at this very !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is one pitiful warrior :S
8k 100b is fail. this is why magic find should be modified to not be a main stat replacement.
karka are easilly solo-able for a properly spec’d zerk warrior
worst of it all is he actually says crit dmg doesnt matter lol.

made me laugh when he said press 2 to win and died, guess you found out it ain’t that easy, in other words you still need to know how to play the class properly and be a decent player.

Siigari.6587:

The bias in this thread is mind-boggling.

Having a subscription brings quite a few benefits to a game. For starters, GENERALLY most things that mean anything can only be acquired in-game.

That’s just scratching the surface. There are plenty more benefits, but that’s the main one. Everyone starts and ends on the same playing field.

here’s the biggest con to any sub game ever i’m surprised people haven’t realized it yet.

- in a sub game your characters are not really yours they are rented !
– if you don’t pay that sub you can’t access them at all (which explains why people still pay for wow subs in a way. they have invested years in their characters stopping the sub now is for them unthinkable even if deep down they know they should)

also

- they claim the sub fee is for future content updates but whenever really good content comes out they label it an expansion and tell you
sorry you will have to pay for this content as it is an “expansion”
not to mention most sub games also have a cash shop which to me is like WTF ?
double dipping much ?

- only buy 2 play games should charge for an expansion as they have no subscription fee to speak of.

there’s 2 pistols skins !
but NOT a single rifle skin for the mists type skins !
really !
really !

Am I the only one feeling let down by this ?
I’m a warrior and I love rifles.
add a mist type rifle skin please.

Grounder.7381:

deal with it!
1. it protects the leader from getting kicked
2. changing it look like a HUGE work load for the programer..
3. call in guildies. if you pug, its a dungeon at your own risk

lol, i guess you’re one of the griefers that likes it the way it is lol !
protect the leader ? the leader was the jack kitten lol !
besides they already made dungeons work even if the leader is kicked doing the same to fractals is a must now to stop the stupid griefers.

it is hard enough finding a decent set of players that actually know how to do medium level fractals 20-30. Now this game has almost completely gotten rid of griefing but….
in fractals it is a different story. if the party leader leaves the whole group is kicked out !!!

for the love of all that is holy will you please fix it so it works like dungeons.
so that even if the party leader leaves the instance ownership is simply transferred
for that matter can we please get an instance owner icon at the very least

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Just +4, not percentage.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infusion

the reason i ask is because even though agony infusions say +5 they actually lower the damage from agony by 6%, so I was wondering if the same is true for these infusions as well. a response from an official a.net source would be awesome on this matter.

these defensive and offensive infusions with +4 to a given stat.
are we talking percentages or just a flat +4 increase ?

some clarification would be nice, as +4 seems like a waste to me I hope we’re talking percentages.

At this point I don’t mind ascended gear at all, what I mind is the moronic restrictions they place on getting them.

I say,
add hard mode to dungeons, and make higher than 30+ fractals drop ascended items other than rings instead of limiting acquisition to daily laurel crap and guild missions which you only earn 2-3 marks per week.

and stop introducing a new currency every time you introduce a piece of ascended armor for the love of all that is holy !!

I know gw2 is a casual game and all but arena.net should remember that they did foster a massive hard core community in gw1, why forsake them now.

I’m not hardcore myself and even I’m finding the need for harder content.
with that said here are my top priority suggestions.

1 – Hard mode pve unlock after 100% word completion.
2 – hard mode dungeon unlock after you have done all explore paths in a dungeon.
3 – alliance chat needed badly, 3 full guilds and have to invent ways to communicate.
4 – you have been outbid messages from the trading post.
5 – more armor variety is sorely needed at this point (it’s been a year already)
6 – the cash shop needs more vanity goods people actually would like to buy and support the game, I myself don’t see anything at this point that makes me think omg I want that costume, like it did in gw1.’’

Auesis.7301:

Latinkuro.9420:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

yeah, you’ll get scaled up to level 80 for the duration of the story.

What is the point of leveling a toon to 80 in this game than ? if you’ll get upleveled to 80 anyway !!!

A true level 80 performs multiple times better than an upscaled. Gear, traits and experience.

Well duh, that ^^ is common knowledge.

I’m asking more along the lines of when are we gonna see a new true lv80 zone that doesn’t upscale anyone ?

Robert Hrouda.1327:

yeah, you’ll get scaled up to level 80 for the duration of the story.

What is the point of leveling a toon to 80 in this game than ? if you’ll get upleveled to 80 anyway !!!

Maximus Delion.8719:

Starts at noon Pacific, but it’s not a one-time event — it’s instanced and you can do it at your leisure through the 16th.

Even better

Like the title says there’s suppose to be a grand finale today for the F&F saga in LA, Citadel and hoelbrack.

At what time is this suppose to happen ?

Kaizer.7135:

Latinkuro.9420:

Fortus.6175:

Some say it is a legend, other say they have actually been there! For those who dare, I call it WvWvW

Very nice and polite way to say it mate, I would’ve said:
we don’t need open world pvp crap in gw2, play WvW like a man or gtfo, or what you can’t take it when you can’t just gank and grief the people questing for pve purposes.

Dete ike, konoyaro, do aho.

Open PvP would be optional & WvW is zerging & ganking, that aint manly. -sigh- Some people will just never understand, I’m guessing you’re one of the guys who rages when you can’t finish the JP in EB and moan about it but still try to complete it anyway?

WvW may be zergy and ganky at the moment ( I’m hoping it with some updates it matures into something more interesting) but at least everyone there knows what to expect, that is the point imo.

And JP’s I hate that crap, so you will never see me in EB or any other jumping puzzle for that matter if I want to jump like a headless chicken I’d go play mario again
I’ve played and was addicted to mario ever since 1990 to the point I’m now allergic to any gameplay that resembles it.

Fortus.6175:

Some say it is a legend, other say they have actually been there! For those who dare, I call it WvWvW

Very nice and polite way to say it mate, I would’ve said:
we don’t need open world pvp crap in gw2, play WvW like a man or gtfo, or what you can’t take it when you can’t just gank and grief the people questing for pve purposes.

Dete ike, konoyaro, do aho.

Argis.7049:

The people who kicked you are jerks. Simple as that. On top of that I would add that they are uninformed jerks as well if they don’t understand the power of Axe/Mace.

^^ what he said,
plus idiots that kick you because you chose to use ruby orbs instead of scholar runes, morons don’t know that the only real big difference between the two is how much they cost.

Vicarious.3047:

Latinkuro.9420:

Also the trait 50% crit chance against stunned foes is useless !!

You obviously haven’t played a dps hammer warrior build lol

ES = massive auto crits.

My point for what I said about this trait stands though as a warrior it is way to easy to get above 50% crit chance which makes this trait almost useless.

And yes I have run a a hammer warrior before lol.
nothing really that amazing about it, it’s one of the very few builds that is still viable in sPVP.

you guys are starting to miss the point and go off topic, it is not about if the skill is good or not, it’s about the fact a warrior needs to use his traits to improve weapon proficiency while other professions get those benefits simply tacked on and are free to choose any traits they like.

And for the longbow sure you can do that but it’s only 900 range and you need to waste another trait to get it to 1200 range, see a pattern yet ?

I’m not saying it is all bad, the warrior is the most balanced class there is overall.
the issue is that by giving other classes those things w/o asking them to pick a trait or have some kind of trade off it hurts us warriors the most.

the low precision build with lots of stuns would make sense if it wasn’t so easy to run a warrior build with more than 50% crit chance hell i’ve gotten my crit chance to 98% with acceptable compromise.

So as a Warrior if I want my rifle to pierce and hit 3 targets I have to waste a major trait in the arms tree, but a mesmer gets pierce on their greatsword w/o the need of a trait as of the 26th update, really !!

A.net WTH are you doing ??
baka ka omaera ?

Also the trait 50% crit chance against stunned foes is useless !!
as a warrior it is easy to get above 50% crit chance w/o sacrificing much of anything !

2 factor authentication not working again, removed it than tried to add it again but says the new code I’m using is invalid.

Hi, I’m a player on Gunnar’s Hold EU server and I’m looking for:
An active semi hardcore medium to large size guild, I don’t mind moving to a different server, currently member of a massive 1000 players guild with over 950.000 influence on my server. I just came to realize I don’t really fit there anymore as I’m starting to think of myself as more of a semi hardcore player that enjoys hard content, I dabble in PVP from time to time but w/o guild mates I find it kind of boring atm.

The guild I’m currently looking for:

-Semi hardcore no elitist attitude.
-Mature attitude is preferred.
- PVE/PVP/WvW
- more hard content players than casuals.
-A sense of community.

Do you have such a guild ? or are you a member of such a guild? feel free to mail me in-game or on the forums.

Disclaimer
I will not engage, or respond to personal attacks or any other sort of post that is not constructive to my original request !

Syktek.7912:

You’ve got quite the leaky bucket there. Care to fix it and make a legitimate argument?

the argument is there, suddle but it is there.
they messed up by allowing legendary items to be sold on the TP they just don#t know how to fix it now, they never imagined people would be insane enough to actually sell such an item oh how wrong you were a.net.

Now they didn’t make the same mistake with ascended thank god !
but imo, legendary items don’t belong on the trading post at all and the fact you cannot buy ascended on the TP is prove of the obvious oversight and mistake they allowed to happen.

you cannot buy ascended off the trading post ! thank god for that but…
you can sure as hell buy a legendary of the trading post, oh the irony, oh the hypocrisy !

the argument is there, subtle but it is there.
they messed up by allowing legendary items to be sold on the TP they just don#t know how to fix it now, they never imagined people would be insane enough to actually sell such an item oh how wrong you were a.net.

Now they didn’t make the same mistake with ascended thank god !
but imo, legendary items don’t belong on the trading post at all and the fact you cannot buy ascended on the TP is prove of the obvious oversight and mistake they allowed to happen.

Discuss.

CrazyDuck.4610:

Hello everyone

I’m just wondering if anyone working at Anet has considered creating an open PVP server, or will it stay more the role playing style that it is now? I must admit that open world PVP is probably the number one thing I miss from other MMORPGs.

You want world pvp go play w v w !!!!
stop trying to ruin a brilliant game !!!!

you want griefing, ganking go play 1 of the bazzilion copy cats of the old standards out there !!!

again stop trying to ruin a brilliantly executed game !!!!

Winfernal.9208:

Vayne.8563:

The content isn’t gated. People’s minds are gated.

Aye!

I agree it’s the player’s mentality that needs to change !
even within my guild I’m seen as an elitist if I dare ask for say for example:
LFM CoF path 1 need 2 warrior 1 mesmer and 1 guardian only.
or LFM fractals lv XX must have agony resist.

Oh boy, every time I ask that the uproar is insane !

I said look if you want to run it normally go ahead I ain’t stopping you but
I do not want to spent 30-40 minutes in there instead of 7-8 minutes, which is why I asked for that setup.

Players need to understand the difference between gated and choice.

On subject :

No other part of the game is closed to you by not having ascended gear at all, not even fractals themselves
the only part that is a bit difficult to get to w/o ascended gear is high level fractals themselves, does that mean it is gated ? no it doesn’t, the game does need some kind of progression to keep people playing and coming back other than simple cosmetic stuff, not to say cosmetic stuff is wrong but, if it is the only kind of progression present than yes it becomes a problem.